Is it to early to start taking about this?

Does Kyrie opt out for a max deal? do the Nets give it to him?

Kyrie needs to be on a per game contract, fa real.

There's no way it doesn't address guaranteed contracts in regard to shit like this.

A few pods back he was talking about how he expects owners to push for GP tied to payment regardless of its “rest” or actual injury and thinks it could be the biggest fight at the table


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During his exit interviews he's been saying the typical
"keeping all of his options open" line. I mean, he's supposed to say that.

I'll be shocked if Zach LaVine doesn't resign with Chicago.

The REAL offseason move to watch with the Bulls is Coby White.
I think the organization is going to put their chips behind Ayo
and try to trade White.

San Antonio?
Indiana?

Ha. He ain't leaving all that money on the table.

That’s all you need to know. Loyalty is not his signature.

Plus Bulls don’t super max players. They didn’t
max Butler, and it’s not going to happen here. 40 something million
per for a defensive liability and 2nd scoring option?

We can’t have 3 weak defenders on the floor at the same time.

David Griffin on an extension: …that conversation is going to be one that will be a challenge. Right now what we are focused on is him being healthy and kind of elite condition to play basketball…

He can't wait to get *paid*
Not to play in NO
They need to trade him this offseason.

If not, they'll sign him, and he'll want out early in the contract, and then it will become a problem. Cut bait now before that happens.

>David Griffin on an extension: …that conversation is going
>to be one that will be a challenge. Right now what we are
>focused on is him being healthy and kind of elite condition to
>play basketball…

He shouldn't be saying shit like that publicly IMO, but he's right.

Then, we can talk about bread.

Griffin shouldn't be expressing hesitation publicly like that, but he's right to be reluctant. Because you're right: he could extend and demand a trade nearly instantly, lol.

And the Pelicans played pretty well with McCollum and Ingram as The Guys. If you think Zion won't be able to take the court regularly enough to maximize on his absolutely absurd talent, and you think the guys you have are enough to build around?

Then I'd see if there's a team willing to run a sign-and-trade-- where they give Zion the extension they have available as the drafting team, and see if there's a team with a star or some package of strong pieces worth that amount of salary that they can bring in to supplement McCollum and Ingram.

Obviously might backfire if Zion can stay on a court, because dude isn't even 22 yet and already has an ASG under his belt, so the upside if it works out is super apparent...

... but if the Pelicans have two stars now (they do), if they think they can start pushing for higher playoff seeding next season (possible, depending on offseason deals), and they think Zion isn't genuinely interested in staying (clearly), then deal Zion to a team that is willing to ship win-now pieces in exchange for the insanely-high-future-upside swing of the bat.

they've been garbage his whole life but his face lights up and he gets all starry-eyed when talking about The Mecca lol

I wonder what the Knicks would have to do to get him, Randle + picks to start with probably

>Griffin shouldn't be expressing hesitation publicly like
>that, but he's right to be reluctant. Because you're right: he
>could extend and demand a trade nearly instantly, lol.
>
>And the Pelicans played pretty well with McCollum and Ingram
>as The Guys. If you think Zion won't be able to take the court
>regularly enough to maximize on his absolutely absurd talent,
>and you think the guys you have are enough to build around?
>
>Then I'd see if there's a team willing to run a
>sign-and-trade-- where they give Zion the extension they have
>available as the drafting team, and see if there's a team with
>a star or some package of strong pieces worth that amount of
>salary that they can bring in to supplement McCollum and
>Ingram.
>
>Obviously might backfire if Zion can stay on a court, because
>dude isn't even 22 yet and already has an ASG under his belt,
>so the upside if it works out is super apparent...
>
>... but if the Pelicans have two stars now (they do), if they
>think they can start pushing for higher playoff seeding next
>season (possible, depending on offseason deals), and they
>think Zion isn't genuinely interested in staying (clearly),
>then deal Zion to a team that is willing to ship win-now
>pieces in exchange for the insanely-high-future-upside swing
>of the bat.

https://www.netsdaily.com/2022/6/20/23175566/impasse-kyrie-irving-nets-at-a-negotiations-impasse-clearing-way-for-him-to-depart

You’re welcome OKS

With the NBA Draft three days away and free agency around the corner, trade conversations, signings and pursuits for all 30 teams have begun in earnest. Across the league, major free agents — and potential free agents — are being monitored: Chicago’s Zach LaVine, Washington’s Bradley Beal, Philadelphia’s James Harden, Phoenix’s Deandre Ayton, Charlotte’s Miles Bridges, Dallas’ Jalen Brunson, Portland’s Anfernee Simons and more.

But one of the most anticipated free-agency situations involves Brooklyn’s Kyrie Irving, who has a June 29 deadline on his $36.9 million player option for the 2022-23 season. However, multiple sources tell The Athletic that conversations about Irving’s future have gone stagnant between him and the Nets. An impasse currently exists among the parties that clears the way for the seven-time All-Star to consider the open marketplace, those sources said.

Irving joined the Nets along with Kevin Durant in the summer of 2019, though Durant missed their first season together as he recovered from a torn Achilles tendon. Irving made the All-Star team in 2020-21 and helped lead the franchise to the Eastern Conference semifinals alongside Durant and James Harden prior to an ankle injury in a series against the Bucks. After the past season, in which he played just 29 ngames and missed most of the season’s home games because of his decision not to comply with New York City’s vaccine mandate, Irving made clear that he intended to return to the Nets in the summer and continue to build with Durant and newcomer Ben Simmons. He has averaged 27.2 points, 6.1 assists and 3.9 rebounds per game and made 40.4 percent of his 3-point attempts in three seasons with Brooklyn, but he has appeared in 103 of 216 regular-season games.

“I don’t really plan on going anywhere,” Irving said on April 25 after the Nets’ season-ending sweep to the Celtics in the first round of the East playoffs.

Nearly two months later, it appears both sides have serious work to do in order to find a resolution that brings Irving back to Brooklyn and his co-star in Durant, who is under contract with the Nets through 2025-26. Several teams across the league have kept tabs on the situation, wondering about the future of Irving and Brooklyn.

The Lakers, Knicks and Clippers are expected to be among the interested suitors if Irving heads elsewhere, multiple sources tell The Athletic.

For the Lakers, the likely path to acquire Irving — and reunite him with LeBron James — would be Irving opting in to facilitate a trade, because the Lakers cannot realistically clear cap space to sign him themselves, and a sign-and-trade would trigger the hard cap, thus making acquiring Irving significantly more difficult. If Irving would opt in, Lakers general manager Rob Pelinka would have to satisfy the collective bargaining agreement’s salary-matching rules, meaning if Irving’s $36.6 million was the only incoming salary, the Lakers could send anywhere from $29.3 million to $45.8 million to the Nets and/or a third team in a legal transaction.

For the Knicks, the likely path to acquire Irving depends on what the Nets prioritize. New York is even with the salary-cap line for 2022-23 so it could clear enough space to sign Irving on a maximum contract by offloading salaries such as Evan Fournier, Alec Burks, Nerlens Noel and Kemba Walker. But the Knicks could also offer some or all of those players to the Nets or a third team in a possible sign-and-trade.

For the Clippers, the likely path to get Irving requires him to opt in, because they are significantly over both the luxury-tax line and the hard cap for 2022-23. To satisfy salary matching, the Clippers would need to send out between $29.3 million and $45.8 million to the Nets and/or a third team if Irving is the only salary headed their way. The Clippers’ scenario is less complicated than the Lakers, as the Clippers have a series of players making $11 million to $17 million to work with. For example, two or three of Norman Powell, Marcus Morris, Luke Kennard and Reggie Jackson going out satisfies the CBA’s trade rules, and they also have a collection of young players like Terance Mann or Brandon Boston who could help sweeten the deal.

A potential Irving departure would be incredibly damaging to the Nets because of their limited ability to replace him and his salary slot should Irving sign elsewhere as a free agent. A likelier path to any departure would be via sign-and-trade. Brooklyn owes $111 million to six players in 2022-23, not including Irving, so even filling out the roster with minimum salaries would put the Nets over next season’s projected salary cap of $122 million. If Irving bolts, Brooklyn’s strongest path to adding talent would be the full $10.3 million midlevel exception. Irving is also eligible for a new deal via exercising his player option and extending his contract from there, which could land him a starting salary of $45.2 million for 2023-24.

“We’re looking for guys that want to be a part of something bigger than themselves, play team basketball and be available,” Net GM Sean Marks said in May. “That goes not only for Kyrie but everybody here.”

For the Nets, the fate of Irving’s free agency is one to keep an eye on as the NBA Draft and free agency near.

>https://www.netsdaily.com/2022/6/20/23175566/impasse-kyrie-irving-nets-at-a-negotiations-impasse-clearing-way-for-him-to-depart

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... that the offseason contains rumors that Bron would rather attempt to mend the fence with Kyrie and deal with all the baggage that comes with such a reunion rather than play with Russell Westbrook for another season, lol.

And Kyrie's obviously a much better basketball player than Westbrook today... but man, I can't even imagine what the team therapist would be taking on next year if they made that happen, lmao. So many hurt feelings, so many dynamics based on past, two easily injured stars alongside a 38-year-old Bron, I mean... good heavens. It'd be Christmas come early for sports media.

LA instituted the same "Home players must be vaccinated" mandate as NY and SF. As far as I know, it hasn't been repealed. Though concede I may be wrong.

If it's still in effect, I could see someone like Caruso lifting it should he be elected. But otherwise, it might lead to the same impasse with the Lakers/Clippers that it did with the Nets.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-news-clippers-lakers-los-angeles-vaccine-mandate-to-enter-business-203623308.html

Don't know why. (Well, yes, I do. Money is why. But still.)

was unvaxxed

So as a GM, I would offer him a contract. However, it would come with
a PLETHORA of stipulations. It would basically be a pay to play
contract. He must be committed to playing all 82 games plus the playoffs,
barring injury. If he gets injured, that’s different. But if he is healthy, and
he is available to play, then he must play.

If he doesn’t play or suit up when he is a available, then the pay or income for each
game that he misses gets forfeited. That would be a fair contractual agreement.

>If he doesn’t play or suit up when he is a available, then the pay or income for each
game that he misses gets forfeited. That would be a fair contractual agreement.


But something that gets enforced in varying capacities by teams trying to keep good relationships with players. We saw Philly refuse to pay Simmons...however, when kyrie needed that 'mental break' in the previous season, i think the Nets still paid him (except for when the league stepped in for his covid protocol violations)

https://twitter.com/esidery/status/1539657861013204992

Kyrie Irving’s leverage in negotiations with the Nets is that Kevin Durant will want a trade if he leaves, per
@wojespn

.

Fox is the same way. They are all slaves to their sponsors, and sponsors want
them to focus on big markets, or they will stop paying for tv time. Plus they want
them to focus on athletes who they have big endorsement deals with.

You’re forced to listen to podcasts for universal basketball talk,
and I hate podcasts. Platforms are HIGHLY subjective and bias,
and anyone can make a podcast.

I miss the days of a bunch of true sports reporters talking about all of sports.

But if the owners wanted to tie pay to games played somehow, shit i wouldnt be mad at that.

That is the recent hot rumor, and if that’s the case, the Bulls
have sealed their fate of losing for the next 5 years.

AK was supposed to be different from the previous management of basketball
operations, but he is just as bad. He traded away Gafford and Carter for a center
who has been absolute trash defensively, and our defensive rating is worse than
what it was prior to the trade.

2019-20 we were ranked in 9th place. We are now 23rd in the league.
We went from top 10 to shit in one year.

And now it appears they are going to re-up LaVine,
who is a defensive dummy, which means the Bulls are going to
be defensively dumb next year.



We are going to put the same dumb ass team on the floor next year.....
Save us Patrick Williams. You are our only hope. He is going to have to
accelerate his growth.

...and didn't extend LaVine,
that was your sign that both the Bulls and Zach
had agreed that he was coming back for the max.
So none of this should be a surprise.

What also doesn't surprise me is your flopping,
as you were claiming that we had the best duo in the NBA
when DeRozan was having that great November/December.

This is the team.

From KC Johnson:
"Artūras Karnišovas has not once but twice publicly stated that he’s seeking continuity for his core."

I also think the LaVine signing secures our team for post-DeRozan.
DeMar has what...2 years left (if that) playing at this level.
Williams, Domsumnu, White, Ball are all under 25.
Outside of Ball, those guys are still 2-3 years away from their best basketball.
LaVine is the transition to that next core.

>2019-20 we were ranked in 9th place. We are now 23rd in the
>league.
>We went from top 10 to shit in one year.

You're willfully leaving out that that 2019-20 team didn't make the playoffs.
Last years team was in the playoff run all season, and at one point was the #1 seed.
But go 'head and get these takes off.

>And now it appears they are going to re-up LaVine,
>who is a defensive dummy, which means the Bulls are going to
>be defensively dumb next year.

When both Ball and Caruso were healthy, the Bulls had a top 10 defense.

the best scoring duo doesn’t mean shit. I never liked Lavine, and you know this.
We all know Lavine can score, but he is shit on defense.

And you know this.

And you want to talk about flopping?

You the same dude that said Vuch is was our guy, and that
he was going to put us over the top....didn’t happen,
and it’s not going to happen. It’s one of the worst trades
in Bulls’ History. And I told you that when deal happened.

You’re also the same dude clamoring about trading Williams for
Rudy Gobert....which would be the dumbest shit in the world.

And when he develops into an elite player, I will be pointing you
out.

We made the POs only to get shitted on, BECAUSE our DEFENSE
SUCKED. I’m not sure what you don’t understand about that.

Lavine, Derozan and Vuch guarantees that our defense will be trash.

There is nothing about this team that spells championship in the
next 5 years..

And giving Lavine a 5 year, 200 million dollar contract ...a guy who has a questionable knee, fades in the second half of the season, and is a terrible defender....that contract
is going to go down as one of the worst contracts in nba history.....Tobias Harris 2.0

We didn’t re-up Jimmy, but we are going to re-up a defensive clown.

Ain’t nothing changed about this management.

>We all know Lavine can score, but he is shit on defense.

As long as he can be serviceable on defense, I'm good.
And his time on the USA team showed he can be that.

>And you want to talk about flopping?
>You the same dude that said Vuch is was our guy, and that
>he was going to put us over the top....didn’t happen,

I can sit in this. Vucevic was a bad trade.
I'm hoping he can fix whatever shooting issues he had
last fall because his shooting is so key.
I don't recall saying he'd "put us over the top",
but I stand by him being a solid rebounder and playmaker.


>You’re also the same dude clamoring about trading Williams
>for
>Rudy Gobert....which would be the dumbest shit in the world.

I feel better about our chances in the playoffs against Milwaukee and Philly with Gobert in the paint.
I'd feel a LOT better with Gobert, Caruso and Ball.
That's a death lineup that I'd be hype to watch.
Unfortunately I don't see this deal happening because Ainge will
want to overwhelmingly win the trade.


>We made the POs only to get shitted on, BECAUSE our DEFENSE
>SUCKED. I’m not sure what you don’t understand about that.

Soooo yeah, every NBA move isn't ring or bust.
In fact, there is no one move the Bulls can make to get to the Finals.
I may have said before the season that I'd gladly take
a first round exit vs. not making the playoffs.
You gotta start somewhere.

But back to the Gobert thing. I just want the Bulls to put themselves in position.
The NBA season is unpredictable. People had the Nets in the ECF. What happened?
Bucks lost Middleton, then they get bounced.
The Celtics were playing .500 basketball and made the Finals.
As an NBA GM you just have to have your team hanging around at the right time.
There is no over the top because too many things can happen that will disrupt that.

>We didn’t re-up Jimmy, but we are going to re-up a defensive
>clown.


1. We should have re-up'd Jimmy.
2. I think the fact that we didn't sent a bad message to free agents.
3. Not offering LaVine the Max here would tarnish our image even more.

“ He just needs to be serviceable on defense”

We are going to pay Lavine 200 milli for 5 years for him
to just be serviceable defensively. We are paying three guys
serious dollars when they offer nothing on the other end of
the court.

And that is why we suck as a franchise.

And he played on Team USA last summer, and he still came back with no
defensive ability.

We agree to disagree.

I don’t even want to watch these dudes next season.
The only dude I truly care about on that team is Patrick Williams. I will be watching
because of him.

>We are going to pay Lavine 200 milli for 5 years for him
>to just be serviceable defensively. We are paying three guys
>serious dollars when they offer nothing on the other end of
>the court.

When healthy (which, is honestly a better argument vs. complaining about his defense),
LaVine is one of the top offensive players in the league.
It's hard to find guys that do what he does.

Let’s not worry about his defense, because basketball is all offense.

Nothing to see here.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34127081/sources-houston-rockets-john-wall-exercises-474m-player-option-2022-23-sides-talk-buyout-no-trade-found





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But at the same time, the more I've thought about it since the games played stipulation got floated back when this thread first posted...I can't say I hate it. John Wall was awesome, his agent and a GM agreed to the contract he's got and it really sucks that his legs got all fucked up...and I'm sure there's some workaround in the CBA that a lets a buyout allow other teams to take him off the Rockets' hands for cheap...

But this dude is getting paid like a CEO in a way that's not funny enough to justify how confusing a guy who's still likely capable of 20ppg in limited minutes is hamstringing an entire league because of what he did when he was 27.

I mean, what I really think these basketball dudes should be able to fight for is that baseball/soccer money so in totality I think Wall's contract is valuable simply as a ceiling for other players' agents to point to. Under the current salary restrictions, though, and assuming players will never convince the NBA owners to think like winners rather than capitalists, yea, get that bag John!

It's just a little weird that this is the guy getting that bag, y'know?



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https://sports.yahoo.com/bradley-beal-reacts-report-2022-124400887.html

Wolves trying to trade D'Angelo

Tyler Herro could be moved.

Melo to Brooklyn or Clippers

Utah wants PJ Tucker

Dubs probably keep Wiggins so Poole could go. They'll integrate Wiseman more to integrate to keep him or trade him.

Beal could re-sign for 5 year 248 to Washington. A sign and trade to Philly could happen for Thybulle, Harris and some 1st round picks if he were to be traded.

Kyrie either signs for 2-3 years in Brooklyn or for an incentive bonus based 5 year deal.

Bobby Portis and Malcolm Brogdon are some of the most important targets this year.

Russ for John Wall could happen. Russ is a trade candidate.

Cavs are having a lot of trouble courting deals for Colin Sexton.

They are both forgone conclusions, and offer nothing defensively.

Beal for close to 300 million???

SMH

>Russ for John Wall could happen. Russ is a trade candidate.
>

https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/1539654013599334403?s=20&t=oNQysPr_aXnp6jY-TY2UsA

getting anything in return. They let him walk into FA, and he bounced.

Also it was a player option that he opted out of to everyone’s surprise. Then the Celts did a sign and trade to get a big trade exception. No one thought he was gonna test the open market or that someone would want him for 30 a year, but it happened.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1539729017326243840?s=20&t=zmBNb-iKxVVWkTu6v4EKmA

Portland gets:
Jerami Grant
46th pick in tomorrow’s draft

Detroit gets:
36th pick in tomorrow’s draft
2025 first
2025 second
Highest of either Portland’s or New Orleans’ 2026 second

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1539798045696614400

a Collins for Murray trade.

Trae and Murray are both PGs, with Murray being the more all
around PG. Trae would definitely have to move to SG. But I can’t imagine
such a deal happening, because it would take more than just Collins for the
the Hawks to acquire Murray. They would have to give up picks plus other players.

The Celtics need a point guard badly, and Murray with Tatum and Brown would
put them over the top for sure. Considering Udoka’s past ties with the Spurs, I’m
sure the Cs would be able to work something out.....

That’s if he is actually on the trading block.....He is a triple double threat every night,
and is a rising star. Why would the Spurs want to move him?

But Harden and Kyrie were successful when they were actually
on the court together.

And Luka, Brunson, Dimwiddie have great chemistry....

would be perfect for the team

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1540064142555496452

Sources: Kevin Durant is monitoring the Brooklyn Nets’ situation and considering options with his future.

This now opens the path for Kyrie Irving to proceed on finding a new home via opt-in and trade.

would any trade involving him have to be a three or four team trade because of how gargantuan his contract is? Unless another team agrees to trade their max player and assets straight up for Durant, I don't see how he gets moved otherwise. Other than Rudy Gobert, I can't think of a player with a max contract with 4 or more years that is in danger of getting traded.

If this actually goes down, that seven draft pick James Harden trade looks worse and worse and worse.

Every team with a reasonable chance of keeping him better be trying to get him if he's available.

Clippers better be offering PG, Lakers better be offering AD, etc.

I'd say teams with younger stars, like the Hawks, shouldn't offer young, budding stars like Trae or Dallas/Luka. But otherwise? Most players should be available for him.

anyone in your organization should be available in a deal for him.

But right today - it's looking like a FLEECE

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1540064728218849283

ESPN Sources: If Kyrie Irving can’t reach an agreement to stay with Brooklyn,
he has a list of teams he’d like them to consider on sign-and-trades,
including Lakers, Clippers, Knicks, Heat, Mavs and 76ers.
None of those teams have cap space to sign him without Nets’ help.

and all parties involved deserve it.

easily the worst superteam of all time.

what a bunch of headcases.

i think he added that just to fuck with harden

.

he should just do himself and every nba franchise a favor and retire.

his mind doesn't seem to be fully into it and that's fine. like i'm sure he really enjoys crossing guys up and puring a three. but teams are going to want a bit more from him than that considering his price tag and never-ending cascade of goofy shit.

i'm sure he has a list of fascinating (ha) off-court ventures that will better occupy his time and mind.

Disappear into obscurity and flat earth meetings.

he got the nets fucked up every whichadamn way.

link: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/report-nets-allow-kyrie-irving-to-seek-sign-and-trade-elsewhere/ar-AAYVkNG

swipe:

Report: Nets allow Kyrie Irving to seek sign-and-trade elsewhere

Josh Matthews 26 mins ago


The Brooklyn Nets and Kyrie Irving contract talks seem to be coming to an end with reports that Irving requested and was permitted to search sign-and-trade options.

The contract negotiations have been ongoing for weeks with relations between the two parties souring.

NBA writer Kristian Winfield reported the news that Irving had request and was given permission to discuss possible sign-and-trade destinations.

“Irving’s camp has requested and received permission from the Nets to speak with other teams about sign-and-trade packages, according to multiple sources familiar with the situation. The belief among both league and player circles is that Irving is gone and the Seven-Eleven Era is over before it ever began.”

This probably shouldn’t come as a shock as just hours ago ESPN’s Zach Lowe declared that the Nets organization was standing firm and refused to be “held hostage” by contract talks.

Most reports indicate that Irving’s goal is to reunite with old teammate LeBron James in Los Angeles for the Lakers.

end of swipe






Assuming both Kyrie and Durant get traded, I have to wonder what the Nets will get in return. Both moves will be quite intriguing. I don't see the top tier teams on Kyrie's supposed shopping lists having enough assets to sent Brooklyn's way; I also have high doubts top tier teams will want Kyrie for five years. I suppose time will tell and I could be very easily proved wrong.

So wild how quickly this Nets team seemingly fell apart.

Middleton, Portis, and something else for KD.

Lonzo, Lavine, and something else for Kyrie. These trades are too wild to happen but the Nets get a whole new team and picks if they trade one or both of them.

As much as I hate Lavine, he is younger.

KD is 33 going on 34, and there is a lot of tread on those tires, same with Kyrie.
Father time always wins.

I want veteran young two-way rising star players.....

I don’t want anyone over 30-31.

We need another PG. Ball is not equipped to play a full season, and
his knees are fucked. He might need a second surgery, so he might
even miss half of next season.

We need a PG ( or another ball handler) and a big.

theyve given up ALL their draft picks until 2027

AND

James Harden
Caris Levert
Jarret Allen
Taurean Prince
Dangelo Russell


star gazing / chasing NEVER works. it worked for Miami because they had a Czar like Pat Riley running the show


i used to think Westbrook is the most overrated player of all time besides John Stockton, but Kyrie Irving is steadily approaching that title as well

I'm so tired of hearing how "skilled" he is, big fucking deal

Ive seen tight handles before (Strickland, Kenny Anderson, Jamal Crawford) oooo0000ooooo that shit would impress me more if I was 13 years old.

he plays ZERO defense and doesnt make anyone better. Once the ball is in his hands, it never leaves, unless he gets double teamed.

Give me Damian Lillard ANY DAY over Kyrie

Dude's entire career based on ONE shot he hit in 2016

keep the ball moving, make the game much simpler.” - me circa 2013

Gary Payton patterned his game after Stockton and said
he was the hardest player that he ever had to guard.

He shot 40 pct from 3 in 7 seasons...career leader in steals and assists
Tons of all defense and all nba teams....played 82 games in 15 different season,
and 82 games in 7 straight seasons.

He played more 82 games seasons than any other player in nba
history

And Pat Bev even idolized him..

I guess you know more than Gary Payton and Pat Bev?.

SMH. It’s quite sad that you can be that disrespectful.

https://twitter.com/NBAMuse24/status/1540146201932218368?s=20&t=SBz4kG2G-6GeZHZMrzqUQw

...not mad at that at all.

.

which i would assume is how they plan on spending the cash considerations they just got from the knicks

I love that kid. He is so slept on, and he is fundamentally sound. He is going
to be just like Tyrus Jones. That’s who his game reminds me of.

I might have to watch a few wack ass lakers games.

>I love that kid. He is so slept on, and he is fundamentally
>sound. He is going
>to be just like Tyrus Jones. That’s who his game reminds me
>of.

but if they don't end up with another wing, a real one. someone 6'7" - 6'9" that can guard 3/4 at minimum.

Sexton coming back on team friendly deal based on what happened in SA and Detroit.

Trade gotta be coming, just don't know who gets the boot. Too many SGs on this team and unlike the Spurs, playoffs are way too close.

dumping draft picks and throwing big money at...jalen brunson.

i mean...we all knew he would get a bag because of his performance in the playoffs.

but we meant a bag = pay raise from dallas lol.

Only thing that would be more knicks this offseason would be trading rj barrett and unprotected 1st for russ

hopefully they take a 2nd scorer away from luka that dallas wont adequately replace.

for not only Brunson but for another stellar FA.

They have some solid pieces in RJ, IQ, and Toppin,
and just need a couple more of already establish players
to become a really good team.

Their main problem is coaching. Thibs is not a coach who develops
players, and that’s the type of coach that the Knicks need....a Kenny Atkinson
type to get the best out of the players they have.

Leon Rose is the president of Knicks operations.

I’m sure that’s just a coincidence tho.

Knicks are really trying to cover all the bases.

trade. He is basically a younger version of Green in ability, with
more athleticism.

excellent defender, and a solid 3pt shooter..shot 41pct last
season and 37 pct this season. Melton and Jones were one of the reasons
Memphis kept on ticking at the guard position when Jah was injured. He can play
the 2 or the 1...He will be the first guard off the bench to relieve Maxey or Harden,
and could start in a 3 guard system.

https://twitter.com/LegionHoops/status/1540709071598170112

spurs want 3 1st round picks for a rising allstar who nearly averaged a 20+ pt triple double last year?

the only team that we have seen to show interest is atlanta offering john collins?

and dude is only on the books for $17 mil/year?

meanwhile the knicks are moving heaven and earth to get jalen brunson at $25 mil/year?

what am i missing?

why is there not a feeding frenzy for this dude at this asking price?

Which is a piece that put a team over the top. I don’t see that for any team right now. He’s great, and could help…but what’s the market?

he is open to listening to offers, and it would take a huge deal
for the Spurs to move him.

I think their perception is, they aren’t even close to being a contending team,
and probably won’t be for another 4 years. Murray is 26 (September) so he will
be 30 around that time. So the Spurs would be willing to go into rebuild mode,
and trade Murray for picks and young assets.


I know one thing, dude is a beast....

Shit, the Knicks actually have the assets and money to get this dude...and he is way
better than Brunson. Brunson is good, but I don’t like his size, and he isn’ t a triple
double threat like Murray.

I'd be going through all the stages of the cross trying to suss out why it is that Buford, Pop and Holt want to shop this guy. The team is an epic mix of journeymen (in that even most of their best young guys are gonna be that) except for Murray, so...


Is he just too good to be 25 years old on this team? Or do they seem something in practice we don't?


Edit to clarify: because to me, someone mostly ignoring the Spurs the past couple years, this seems like a guy you want buying into Spurs culture hook line and sinker during Pop's final years so he can help establish the lineage into the next phase of the organization, even if he's a guy you trade in TWO OR THREE YEARS when Pop leaves to a team with a better chance at contending that has assets to dish out.


Making that trade NOW feels a little more immediate than I take the Spurs for.


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Get DM, then flip Zion for something else.

I’d see if Pheonix would take him for Ayton.

They could make a serious leap with that lineup.

I’m talking 3 first rounders and 2 young players. It’s either keep Murray or
rebuild. Neither Zion or Ayton fit that strategy, and would be a major downgrade
compared to Murray.

Zion is fat and has a bad lower body, and probably will not be in the league
3-4 years from now.....and Ayton is a lower tier player.

I don’t think Pels have the assets to cover what the Spurs are asking for,
and CJ is established as their starting PG ( Alvarado and Graham off the
bench).

I think the Pels are set...but you’re right, they have to find a way to
move Zion.

The downside is, the Spurs would almost certainly insist on Alvarado.
But all told, I think a core of:

BI
CJ
Ayton
DM

with BI, Ayton and DM entering their primes, would give them as good a team as they could possibly get to compete for a title, with a solid window.

But trying to keep Zion is a fool's game, regardless of how well he pans out.

Hell they gave the Suns all they could handle with their
current team....

The ball handling alone would be Zeus level.

Who are you referring to?

Murray or Brunson?

the same thing they kill other players for

You’re nuts if you are.

- all defense
- guards 1-3
- all star
- steals champion
- nearly averaged a triple double.
- Shoots 46 pct from the field

How could you utter such words?

>You’re nuts if you are.
>
>- all defense

when?

>- guards 1-3
>- all star
>- steals champion
>- nearly averaged a triple double.
>- Shoots 46 pct from the field
>
>How could you utter such words?

his team was 14 games under .500

(2018)

Like, Brunson is a UFA. All you're losing to sign him is money, not assets. Or, in the Knicks' case, it's unlikely you're losing major long-term-winning assets or any type of pick.

Murray's only signed for two more seasons, becoming an expiring deal next year. If he walks in two seasons, and you don't win a title in those two seasons-- or at least become enough of a legit title contender that Murray is a lock to stay long term-- and you traded three firsts for him? That's a potential for long term disaster.

So you have to think the teams willing to do this deal *need* to be teams that believe they'll win a title in the near future if they sign him. Because any team that's bad to mediocre isn't going to part with three futures, they're just not. On *top* of that, I imagine said title contenders probably need to have room to max him.

So I think that rules out most any team that views themselves as a lotto bound team in the next few years. And any contender with their backcourt locked in going forward (like Phoenix and Memphis, for example) is out too. So what teams does that allow?

- I think Minnesota should kick the tires, provided they're willing to max him. Him, Edwards, and Towns feels like a title-contender core to me. Beverly's expiring deal, McDaniels, and three firsts is a slam dunk deal imo-- assuming Minnesota values Murray like that.

- The Celtics would be great, but I don't know how the deal works. Clearly the Cs value Marcus Smart. Do they try to trade Derrick White back? lol like White, Aaron Nesmith, and three firsts? Is that sexy enough for the Spurs, when they know all of those picks are likely to be in the low 20s? Smart and three picks? Is even *that* sexy enough? I ultimately just don't know if the assets work unless the Celtics *really* push in the chips.

- The Hawks would be *really* tough imo, because I don't see how you max him long term unless you come off more pieces. Like, they have Collins, Young, Huerter, and Capela all signed through 2025, and they'll almost certainly choose to extend DeAndre Hunter next offseason. Even if they deal Collins, I'm not convinced that's enough.

- If I was Charlotte, I'd entertain a Rozier-and-three-picks for Murray deal. A Murray-Ball backcourt pair holds a LOT of promise imo. But they're still really early in what they're building, a move like that might be too early unless they get Murray to sign that max ASAP.

- I've seen people float Chicago out there, but you almost certainly have to deal Lonzo in that deal, and I just don't know that Murray is worth Lonzo + 3 picks-- meaning I think Lonzo, while he isn't Murray, gives you close enough to Murray that the three picks feels like a lot. If I were Chicago, I'd keep that trade equity in thinking about what they're going to do at the big man position rather than look to upgrade PG.

- Toronto could always try to offer Anunoby + picks-- I think a VanVleet/Murray/Trent/Barnes/Siakam lineup could be really interesting come playoff time with the versatility and ball movement-- but they're too far from a title even with that core to invest *three* picks. I think Murray is the perfect third-option kinda dude with some second-option upside... but Siakam's also only a second option at best. They have, like, a whole roster of second-and-third option guys. I'd imagine this wouldn't be something they'd consider unless they can Murray can be The Guy on a title contender.

Clippers don't have the picks, Nuggets don't have the picks. Lakers aren't a realistic option for a variety of reasons.

*Maybe* the Jazz would trade Gobert and two picks for Murray and Poeltl? Then they can try to flip Conley? But I think Utah's gonna be more interested in a full-blown restart than something like that.

So yeah, a shitload of maybe-to-nos on the market. Makes it really tough to imagine the Spurs will get what they're asking for. But I think they're right to ask for it. Always a chance a team will get desperate.

and as much as Dejounte >>>> Rob Williams, for the Cs, Rob Williams is more important than the upgrade that Dejounte provides over Smart.

Maybe the celtics get a third team into the deal to use White or Smart as an asset to get a more appealing draft pick for the Spurs. but with Nesmith at the lowest value he could be, I just don't see a trade that doesn't involve Williams and I don't see the Cs doing that trade. which sucks, because I'd love to see Dejounte in green.


>- The Celtics would be great, but I don't know how the deal
>works. Clearly the Cs value Marcus Smart. Do they try to trade
>Derrick White back? lol like White, Aaron Nesmith, and three
>firsts? Is that sexy enough for the Spurs, when they know all
>of those picks are likely to be in the low 20s? Smart and
>three picks? Is even *that* sexy enough? I ultimately just
>don't know if the assets work unless the Celtics *really* push
>in the chips.

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you think we playing chess, but i'm playing mad-making. Basaglia

... it seems like they're more interested in the draft equity than literally anything else, lol. Feels mighty tanky.

https://twitter.com/basketballtalk/status/1541104416647938049

these niggas man lol.

kd basically tryna shift blame on the organization so it wont look as bad when he asks to be traded once kyrie is out.

i do feel bad for all the unmentioned rank and file folks in the nets org who worked hard to build the culture and legitimacy of the franchise up til this current iteration...just to watch them bring in some of the most emotionally erratic players in the league and blow all that shit up.

He’s not an intellectual or a scholar,

>i do feel bad for all the unmentioned rank and file folks in
>the nets org who worked hard to build the culture and
>legitimacy of the franchise up til this current
>iteration...just to watch them bring in some of the most
>emotionally erratic players in the league and blow all that
>shit up.

Its truly amazing how this unraveled so fast

But what DIDN'T the Nets do here?

I mean they gave KD/Kyrie everything they wanted - gutted the team's future picks, gave goddamn DJ a contract when he was beyond washed (started him over the very close to All Star Jarrett Allen, too), got Harden/got rid of Harden, even backed off of their "he wont be a part time player" declaration.

I'm not sure what else they realistically could have done other than offer him a totally unconditional max, which...after all of the above? Seems like it's...a lot.

Cause I dunno how the hell you can defend this dude anymore. It's one finger pointing after another with him. Then he cries and makes another burner account.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/vlgxmk/luka_doncic_shows_off_his_fat_to_fit/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


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http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

Good for him. I think it's Bill Simmons who says this, but he always looks as 'fat as potential.' (not the best phrase) But, meaning that if the player gets in shape they'll unlock some missing athleticism to help their game.

man, the NBA off-season is UNDEFEATED.

https://twitter.com/365Scores/status/1541452529778806784?s=20&t=sFMD0a-DtkzGb1TNXFzRuQ

May/June - NBA Playoffs
June - NBA Finals/NBA Draft
July - Free Agency/Summer League
August - ?
September - Training camps

l.a. need to throw a parade for that man

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1541551184372170752

of course he went fake deep on it...
https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1541551215745581059


basically the nets called his bluff and he folded once he saw nobody wanted him but the lakers (and nets wouldnt do a sign and trade for westbrook).

That's real good stuff right there.

like who is advising this dude on the business/career end?

im sure dude is strong willed (to put it lightly) but is someone sitting him down and trying to explain to him how all this shit works and the different ramifications included? lol.

dude blew his current nike bag, blew the *easy* long term nets bag, tried to blow the bag for every player in the league when he wanted them to sit out the bubble and trigger the force majeure termination of the current cba (while he was injured and not playing anyway...also while he was vp of the players association lol), etc.

these are really unwise decisions that just end up at some net zero result that he would have been in anyway (without whatever he was trying to accomplish) or blow up in his face altogether.

Because it's the off season, I really liked the tweet I saw from some guy/beat reporter suggesting Jamal Murray, Porter Jr., maybe one other guy I can't remember and a trio of lightly protected picks for Durant.



It's so fantastical that ignoring it is natural, but in the fantasy realm of modern NBA summer I gotta say I would love to see Durant and Jokic offering the SABR crowd their end game. AGAIN, it'd take too much confidence on both sides for this to happen (or maybe more accurately, the Nets would need to take a deep sigh as they get clowned for using the Greatest Superteam of All Time to get right back where they were pre-LeVert, Allen, etc.) but in the 2K sense of reality, I love it and wish these two would make everybody mad (including Durant, probably) and do it.


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http://www.popmatters.com/pm/archive/contributor/517
Hip Hop Handbook: http://tinyurl.com/ll4kzz

Balling out in the bubble is cool but not the same . Let’s see how he does under normal playoff circumstances, last time that happened they blew a series to dame and Portland

the Nets front office to give him a five year max. Even worse for Kyrie is that since he's signing the $30 mil plus extension, that lessens the list of teams the Nets could trade him to during the trading deadline next season, correct?

Should make for some entertaining storylines in Brooklyn considering Ben Simmons should be returning as well, assuming his back surgery went well.

But if the Nets feel Kyrie isn't productive enough and that Durant is sure to want out, they could trade Kyrie for a couple of solid rotation players and a bunch of draft picks and come out alright.

Also, and I'm not sure if this is true, but if you're a non-luxury tax team or a non-repeater tax team you can trade a player for a group of players who make less and then get a trade exception from the NBA. So, in English, the Nets could trade Kyrie and if the salaries don't quite match up, they can pocket the remainder in value and use that in another trade down the line.

they need to figure out how they gonna get some defense on their team.

somehow with no collins included.

https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB/status/1541496234489307136

if spurs really are letting him go for gallinari and those 3 1st round picks...smh. itll be baffling why more teams werent in the mix.

So Spurs have decided to tank, that’s why they want several first rounders.
They know they aren’t contending anytime soon, and as good as Murray is,
and at the age of 25 right now, the next 3-4 years would be a waste. Plus he
will be an UFA in 2 years, so they could lose him anyway in just a few years.

Get the rebuild started now, and be ready to contend in 5 years.

However, a trade to the Hawks would suck for Murray. He would have to share
pg duties with Young, and both would have to play off the ball on some possessions,
and I can’t recall either player regularly playing off the ball.

Murray is 6’4, which is a great size for the PG position, but for a shooting guard it’s
undersized. Trae is 6’1. That is going to be one short ass backcourt.....

Young/Murray/Hunter/Collins/Capela? Bogs off the bench as the 6th man?

That’s a 6th seed at best.

However, lineups and deals that look terrible on paper sometimes pan out to
be great on the court....and that lineup isn’t that far off from what the Suns had
in last season’s run to the nba finals.

based on some things I read. I know who would likely be going if that trade goes down.

I'd rather ATL spend those first rounders than the Cavs for what I believe is a marginal change. Unless we believe Dejounte will give us "Rubio Power" for the next few years.

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https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-russell-westbrook-to-exercise-47-million-option-to-remain-with-los-angeles-lakers-150150004.html?

So we potentially will enter next year with two shiny & new 3D guys w/ KCP and Braun.

But Monte is an excellent backup/fringe starter. Really sucks to see him go in general. On top of that, our only really good ballhandlers now are Jamal & Bones. Overall, I don't like it.

but people kill me on here posting about players using their first names or nicknames that are not household names to people that are not fans of that team lol

people are so cryptic on here, OKS but also in GD.

some post their reaction to a news item without even mentioning the news item as if we are all seeing the same thing at the same time.

in this case i just copied and pasted the names in the post and got what i was looking for. a link would had been cool but whatever. lol

https://www.denverstiffs.com/2022/6/29/23188050/nuggets-trade-will-barton-monte-morris-for-kentavious-caldwell-pope-ish-smith-washington-wizards

Nuggets Trade Will Barton and Monte Morris for Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Ish Smith

According to Shams Charania of the Athletic, Adrian Wojnarowski of ESPN, and Mike Singer of the Denver Post, the Nuggets are expected to finalize a trade with the Washington Wizards. The Nuggets will be sending out veterans Monte Morris and Will Barton. In return, the Nuggets will be receiving Kentavious Caldwell-Pope and Ish Smith. As of now, there is no reported draft compensation for either team.

Monte Morris was beloved in Denver, both in the locker room and by the fans. He was the 51st pick, worked his way through the G-League, and was one of the steadiest backup point guards in the entire NBA. He was one of the guys who would reach out to new players, and was a fantastic teammate.

Will Barton was the longest tenured Nugget. He had been with the organization since 2014 and had many highs and lows with the Nuggets. Barton had seen it all with the Nuggets — the losses, the rise of the core that Denver has now, and the playoff runs that the Nuggets had been on. Unfortunately, Will Barton never really got to play a healthy playoff run and was used as fans as a scapegoat for much of his tenure with the Nuggets.

Kentavious Caldwell-Pope is a great fit for the Nuggets. He is a good defender who can stay attached to guards and wings well. With his addition, it becomes clear that the Nuggets are going in on defense. He is a solid defender both on and off ball, and that’s more than could be said about the majority of the Nuggets’ roster last season. Shooting was another need for the Nuggets and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope fits the bill there too, shooting 39% from beyond the 3 point line on 5.3 attempts per game.

Both of Monte Morris and Will Barton were ball handlers and play makers for the Nuggets. The cost for getting Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, and a more defensive minded roster has been made clear. The Nuggets now have to address a lack of ball handlers and playmakers. It should be worth it in the long run, but only time will tell with how much this offseason improves the Nuggets defensively.

It’s clear Calvin Booth has a new philosophy with how to run things. The Nuggets were not a team to trade long tenured guys very often with Tim Connelly. This move sees two of the most familiar faces leave the organization in hopes that KCP will help sure up the Nuggets’ defense. Ish Smith is a fine third string guard. This move puts a lot of pressure onto Bones Hyland to run the bench unit.

Well folks — the offseason is here.

https://www.nbcsports.com/washington/wizards/ish-smith-set-nba-record-latest-trade-denver-nuggets

Ish Smith to set NBA record with latest trade to Nuggets

Ish Smith, who turns 34 next Tuesday, is on the brink of history after the trade went through (or, one might say, 'Ish-tory'). Denver will be the guard’s 13th destination in the NBA, setting an all-time league record. When he suits up this coming season, he'll have played for the Nuggets, Wizards, Hornets, Pistons, 76ers, Pelicans, Thunder, Suns, Bucks, Magic, Warriors, Grizzlies and Rockets.

Smith had two stints in Washington, from 2019-21 and again this past season after he was traded back to the Wizards from Charlotte. In 140 games in D.C. (the second-longest tenure he’s had with any team behind only Detroit), Smith was a reliable and shifty backup point guard who put up 9.1 points, 4.7 assists and 3.2 rebounds per contest.

When Smith signed with the Hornets as a free agent prior to the 2021-22 season, he became the fifth player in league history to suit up for 12 different squads, joining current NBC Sports Washington Wizards analyst Tony Massenberg. Now, though, Smith sets himself apart from the pack as he hits No. 13.

Smith was part of a trade package including Kentavious Caldwell-Pope that saw the Wizards snag the point guard they desperately needed in Monte Morris from the Nuggets. Washington also snagged two-way wing Will Barton as part of the trade.

Smith not only contributes to his team's success, but he also has an unwavering dedication to basketball. Even when losing, he told NBC Sports Washington's Chase Hughes in April, his love for the game has never abated.

“It's a game. You've gotta keep everything in perspective...When we step out on the floor, I thank the Lord every day, honestly, that we get an opportunity to play this game,” Smith said.

Smith, entering his 13th pro season out of Wake Forest University, is now a part of an appealing situation in the Mile High City. He’ll get to play alongside defending two-time league MVP Nikola Jokic on a Nuggets squad that’ll vie for a title next season. For a guy who’s played for 43% of the organizations in the NBA, that’s about as good a situation as you can get.

.

but they're wholly incompetent and desperate for stars so they'll pay him.

They’d likely field a similar record with greater financial/roster flexibility

And they won’t be stuck beinv held hostage when he inevitably decides he wants to play on a winning team

His numbers are great
It hasn’t translated to much for the Wizards

It wouldn’t be much of a loss, and could prove to be better for the team in the long term

at this point I'd rather tank man

>but they're wholly incompetent and desperate for stars so
>they'll pay him.

https://twitter.com/ZachKleinWSB/status/1542256751742951424?t=3o7OG803_kHUBtRTnpgVnQ&s=19

That's a strong young backcourt Hawks got.
Not mad at that at all.

Might still not be a bottom 5 team next year.

But for Atlanta, I just don’t see it. Both players are going to have to learn to
work off the ball, and who will be the primary PG?

Trae is a ball hog, and he isn’t the pure PG that Murray is, and he is 6’1...so he
is going to be the shooting guard?

Plus Murray can bounce in 2 years...

2 caesars are one two many

(as you can see by my many posts on it lol)

there are teams who are (or would be in contention) with legit needs at pg. seems like nobody but atlanta really made a play for a 6'4" all star pg who is a triple double threat and one of the top defenders at his position at only $17/mil for the next 2 years.

hawks treated him like an undeniable talent that they couldnt pass up for the price...regardless of fit on the team.

everybody else treated him like including a role player and some draft picks were too much to give up for him.

I think because other teams just didn’t have the assets to make
a play. Spurs wanted no less than 3 first round picks, and they got it.

The Knicks had/have the assets, but they are enamored with Brunson. I guess
they made a lot of promises to his people. It might come back to haunt them
tremendously, that they passed on a Jason Kidd-like player for a 6’1 combo
guard.

Domestic violence arrest…

https://amp.tmz.com/2022/06/29/nba-star-miles-bridges-arrested-felony-domestic-violence/

and now this.

i aint even gonna get into his rap lyrics.

i swear niggas hate being on the path to generational wealth.

she also mistakenly leaked her own nudes on ig a lil while ago.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1542580983739858944

I have to imagine the Nets front office had to have seen this coming given how distanced both Kyrie and Durant were this offseason.

Those seven picks given up in that James Harden trade are going to haunt that front office for quite a long long time.

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I need the list.
I gotta know if Chicago made it.

https://twitter.com/ChrisBHaynes/status/1542583128069287936

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https://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2763804&mesg_id=2763804&page=#2768566

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Phoenix and Miami are among two of the teams that Kevin Durant has on his wish list, sources tell ESPN, but the Nets plan to move Durant where they can get the best possible deal. With four years on his contract, there's no shortage of teams willing to unload assets for Durant.


https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1542584531181604865

they figure if it happens, Bam gone.

because of a fairly obscure rule re: multi-year (I think it's 5) extensions on young players (because BK traded for Simmons - they can't also trade for Bam).

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You just can't have more than one dude like that on your roster, IIRC.

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Done.

My heavens.

https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1542612320383184897

The Nets won’t trade KD to the Suns without getting Devin Booker in return.

Cool. lol.

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Everybody's gone lol. Wouldn't be surprised if Simmons, Kyrie & KD are all gone soon.

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you gonna have to give a young perennial all star back at least

Let's see how BK responds to the whole, "Yeah, BUT WHEN HEALTHY, HE'S..." talk

Maybe they'll agree with the talking heads who just ignore the fact that he's Mr Glass.

But the effort must be made.

Since S&T deals would put too many of his potential landing spots in a hard cap situation.

Apart from that, the reporting I just saw is that everyone is on the table now. So whether he requests one or not, he's probably getting shopped anyways.

joe tsai prolly done with this entire shit.

arguably the most individually talented.

1 playoff series win.

only team to get swept in the last postseason.

nonstop drama to complete implosion.

at some point.

They won't have any assets to do that for a few years

Him and Michael Smith were talking about it on The Right Time.
Those 10 organizations (according to Bomani)

Warriors
Spurs
Heat
Thunder
Celtics
Jazz
Bucks
Raptors
Nuggets
Grizzlies

KD went from well run organization to well run organization (solid owner & front office).

Brooklyn was essentially his first stop at incompetence.
It'll be interesting to see if the Suns happens which
has a pretty solid front office but have a terrible owner in Sarver.

got his choice of hof running mates, coach, useless big man, etc.

if the organization was incompetent...its mostly because of the power kd had.

Part of the criteria definitely revolved around front offices that
weren't afraid to push back against stars.

Why should they cooperate with him regarding trade locations? He's signed for 3 more years iirc, they obviously need to do whats best for their franchise

>arguably the most individually talented.
>
>1 playoff series win.
>
>only team to get swept in the last postseason.
>
>nonstop drama to complete implosion.
>
>

harden out here taking paycuts and tryna build out a championship roster.

nets arent even a functional franchise right now.

even though his weirdo teammate ruined the franchise by hurting his back doing trick dunks and putting his hand through a fire extinguisher.

Now KD is getting shitted on for wanting out of NY because his weirdo teammate ruined the franchise.

>even though his weirdo teammate ruined the franchise by
>hurting his back doing trick dunks and putting his hand
>through a fire extinguisher.
>
>Now KD is getting shitted on for wanting out of NY because his
>weirdo teammate ruined the franchise.


he's just as much of a weirdo, but in a different way

https://twitter.com/massey_evan/status/1542586700718817280

All offense, no defense. Every game would be fun as shit, on some 130-125 shit.

With Brunson gone, they really need some top-tier talent to supplement Luka.

What's their alternative? Dallas was on Kyrie's wish-list, so maybe he wants to be there. Kyrie paired brilliantly with LeBron. Luka has a similar style - it could work.

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https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine/status/1542619860039081984

So before people think Brooklyn is just going to enter the tank... they should consider that Brooklyn has exceedingly limited draft equity right now, because most everything they have is heading in the Rockets' direction.

If Brooklyn can get a ton of picks, then okay, maybe they'll tank... but if they get picks from teams like the Suns and the Mavs, those'll just be picks in the twenties anyway. I think they have to be targeting young talent already in the league and/or the rights to Euro stashes.

(This is playing out to be a huge win for Houston, obviously.)

I think it's 1 of 2 things:

1.) As aloof as KD sometimes can be, he really wants to win and is a pure baller to his core, and Kyrie being so unavailable (and at times flat out disinterested in playing) matched with the Simmons trade where he just basically abandoned the team was too much for KD to stomach - and made KD feel like he can never win in BK

2.) part of KD's agreement w/ Brooklyn was that he and Kyrie would both be signed to long-term deals. Nets balking on Kyrie's long-term deal annoyed KD, made him feel isolated - and he now feels like he can't trust the org anymore.

or something else?

what y'all think because it's fascinating AF lol

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i don't think Durant wanna be hitched anymore to anyone that can't be counted on to put ball first.

Classic Knicks!

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He is a solid, if not great backup.

But Smart, Jrue, Garland, Maxey, Lonzo, LaMelo, Suggs, Trae, Cade, Van Vleet, Lowry and a healthy Brogdon all start over this dude.

SMH.

Knicks Twitter LOVES him. And will be roasting him by December. ***Face palm***

AD might be the best blue-chip talent out there that the Nets could get.

Westbrook has an expiring contract so you just have him for one year - and you trade LAL's problem (Russ) for one of Brooklyn's problems (Simmons).

Obviously probably won't happen lol - but would be a fascinating offer.
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KD is a master off the ball and he'd get more open looks than he's ever seen off Bron's playmaking.

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But Brooklyn likely needs a player and a haul of picks to replenish what they gave up for Harden. So - Phoenix might make the most sense right now, provided they can get Ayton, Bridges + picks.

A promising young center under contract for 5 years + Bridges and picks might be the best they can do...but whew is that team gonna stink

Nets reportedly aren't interested in a deal w/ Phoenix unless it includes Booker (although they could be bluffing looking for Suns to sweeten the deal). Would Suns deal Booker? Most think no - but this is KD. You might be willing to bet on your future to win now.

But I'd still rather have AD if I'm brooklyn for future projection - or even try and get all the young talent from the Pels. I also don't see what Miami can offer that would be enticing enough.

Brooklyn doesn't have to deal of course, but kinda hard to see them dragging this along with KD and Kyrie in renegade mode.


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The Nets shouldn't do that

But I'm hoping they ignore the obvious like seemingly everyone else, and get tunnel vision for When Healthy

but I'm still pulling for him to somehow to get to the Lakers to reunite w/ Bron and follow Kobe's footsteps. Kyrie idolized Kobe and feels like he'd be more motivated in Laker land than anywhere else.

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I think Ben has a shot as a reclamation project

Kyrie is a headcase who cannot be trusted for shit

I'm also higher on Ben than most and think there's future upside there.

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Especially when you consider what's out there to be dealt. Yes AD has been injured and a problem - but he's still young and can be a cornerstone. Throw THT and two picks in there and let's see what other teams are offering on-par w/ that.

For Lakers, you get KD and you're instantly back in win-now mode with a realistic chance to do so, which is the only thing that the Lakers are (rightfully) interested in: championships.


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He's a literal unicorn at this point, in that whatever he could have been, now exists solely in the imaginations of people too tantalized by the magic of possibility, than the actual reality staring them in the face.

AD is cooked and whoever takes him off our hands is a sucker

That said, I definitely think you write a better sales pitch to get rid of him, which I'm all for.

Sadly, my guess is that the Nets and anyone else will agree with me, and not you, and we'll be stuck with Mr Glass until his contract runs out, and we'll still be paying for him when he leaves.

But that championship run in '20 will give AD's stock some holding power (as he was elite during that run).

Suppose it comes down to what Brooklyn wants. Do they want a haul of picks and nice pieces? Or do they want to try and get the best player they can (with some picks/complements) in terms of top-tier talent in return for KD?

If they want the absolute best player/top talent in return for KD - who would be > than AD? Booker for sure - but he seems unavailable. Would Miami deal Butler? Maybe. Bet on Zion/Ingram?

Will be fascinating to see how it plays out.

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May as well apply the same reasoning to go out and sign Cap to a deal.

NOBODY who wants the best player available for a deal should think of AD.

Because the problem with him is so pronounced that literally everyone who discusses him, nearly every time, has to include the "when healthy" caveat.

Which says everything about this.

Looking at 2020 to judge his value today is, quite literally, backward.

They should have traded Pau the year they got Dwight.

Should have dealt Dwight at the deadline when it was clear he was a headcase.

I'm telling you the same is true for AD. He peaked and it's all downhill from here with him.

I can't see them going into this season with KD in uniform. So we'll see what the offers are. I still think AD, THT & two draft picks is going to be on-par with other offers. Especially if you throw in Russ and his expiring contract to take on their other problems (Simmons or Kyrie).

Nets reportedly just want to clean house and sage the hell out of their organization (kyrie pun intended).

Also - not many teams seem to have an appetite for Kyrie/Simmons. Lakers are also in somewhat of a desperate situation as they don't want to waste another year of LeBron w/ Russ still there. So Lakers may be uniquely situated to deal here.



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Mr Glass isn't cleaning house
He just adds more dust for a few more years

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in street clothes?

Is he magically going to guard 1-5 40 games a season from the bench?

Because that's what you're saying is a better deal, a part time player.

So yeah, I'll take DA, Bridges, and three picks over the guy who will spend half his time with full time pay recovering from injuries sustained while opening his refrigerator.

Shit, I'd do that deal with Phoenix straight up, if I'm the Lakers. Make it two unprotected picks, one of them being a swap, and I'm good.

This is way worse when we factor in the fact that the biggest reason any of this is happening, is because they just spent three years with a part time player.

I do feel like there'll be some kind of deal between Lakers and Nets.

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Not KD.

Nobody wants Mr Glass.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0AgAuj0LF4

How you don't get this is baffling

dude has his facial expressions down perfectly lol

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It's too real for me to even laugh at that shit lol

But the Nets trading 4 firsts for the corpses of KG and Paul Pierce (which turned into Jayson Tatum and Jaylen Brown) only to get out from under that debacle to trade away their next 5 picks for Harden and now to have a team with Ben Simmons is...hilarious.

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Incompetent franchise

Giving one player that much money (if their names aren't LeBron, KD, Steph, or Giannis) does nothing for your long term potential.

Not sure what he's basing that on - but he's claiming Kyrie will be a Laker either this year or next year.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltq4J1b0WYs

This may be the GOAT NBA trade discussion clip

-Windy's delivery
-RJ's reaction

Everyone's general reaction

The idea is just plain ridiculous

cuz we def getting a lockout lol.

but it was really small market owners vs big market owners and the small market folks pushing for constraints to limit the big market folks advantage attracting/amassing talent while pushing for incentives for stars to stay with small market teams.

this next shit? the owners are gonna be unified across the board. theyre shutting a lot of this shit down. and theyre gonna have a lot of public support too.

niggas abused that player empowerment shit.

and before anyone blames the usual suspect...lebron has played out all of his contracts. these other dudes on some new shit.

It’s a player’s league. It’s different from the NFL. There is no other football
league in the world where players can make millions. NFL is hands down the only
dance to go to.

NBA players can pickup and play overseas for millions, on even start their own league through their media platforms. So owners can talk that lockout shit all they want to, hoping that players agree to certain provisions, but it will hurt them in the long run.

And now that CJ McCollom is the president of the player’s union, there will not
be too many concessions.

>cuz we def getting a lockout lol.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10037112-report-nikola-jokic-nuggets-agree-to-new-264m-contract-richest-in-nba-history

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34175078/portland-trail-blazers-guard-anfernee-simons-agrees-4-year-100-million-deal-agent-says

Nice pickup for Philly.

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Melton and Tucker? That gives them a huge defensive presence.

I’m not worried about Harden. Harden is going to ball and be available.

It’s Joel who is the question mark...every year he has some kind of injury where he
is limited.....

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i enjoyed seeing him finally shine. he never had a chance in charlotte. off to hoop siberia i guess.

Monk was a gem amongst coal for the Lakers.

Hopefully this means the Lakers are big-game hunting.

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Not big names - but Lakers needed to get younger, faster with the ability to switch defensively.

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https://twitter.com/dchinellato/status/1542641836451397632

Bulls currently favorite to land Danilo Gallinari, per sources. Chicago is offering a 2yr, $15M deal and Gallo favors length of deal/role over money.
Boston, Miami, Lakers, Wolves still in the mix but the Bulls are the favorite. Boston offered a 1yr/$6.5M deal, per sources

He offers nothing defensively. What the hell is wrong with this management
team?

Imagine Gallinari and Vuch on the floor at the same time at the 4 and 5...
disastrous.

I'm waiting to see how the rest of the offseason plays out before I comment,
but Bulls twitter is having a meltdown as all of the back up C's we were tired to go somewhere else.
Could they be passing on them because they know Gobert is coming?

and you know how I feel about Gobert.

I don’t use Twitter. Twitter is for kids. : )

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1542692375662923781

Free agent center Andre Drummond is finalizing a deal with the Chicago Bulls, sources tell
@TheAthletic

It was either him or Hassan. That’s the only thing that made sense.
He did a good job for Brooklyn last year.



Management heard my complaints!

Only problem though, he is a liability in the 4th quarter offensively. Speedy
got all those minutes.

But I’ll take this....He is now our best defensive big man and gives us rebounding
and shot blocking.

Still need to get rid of Vuch, though....and we need an insurance PG.

there better be moves on the defensive end coming.

yeah we still need upgrades on the defensive end, and an insurance PG
because I’m not confident that Ball can stay healthy.

a once mighty empire now in a complete downward spiral of shame and embarrassment. kinda like this here country but i digress.

but yeah, this is fantastic entertainment.

Kawhi and PG couldn’t do it. KD and Kyrie have failed spectacularly. You can’t just make up a team with your buddies and expect automatic success. Collective buyin, accountability, chemistry, camaraderie…it all matters.

That shit can’t be manufactured no matter how elite a guy’s talents are. Like, KD to me is one of the 10 best players to ever play basketball. That’s NOT to say he’s Top 10 on the goats list, but he’s one of the 10 best players at the act of performing the sport. And yet, he’s so weirdly naive and entitled. He’s as delusional as he is gifted. It makes so little sense.

So you watch how clumsy the Clippers and Nets have been and it further proves just how unique Lebron James is. Everywhere he went he immediately changed the organization. He had guys like Delly and Delonte West and JR Smith playing above their ability in the most
Important moments. He was exceptionally persuasive. Do you understand the consistency and focus it takes to move around the way he has and have success everywhere? He’s had so many journeymen and dummies sacrificing themselves time and again in pursuit of playoff success. He had a reputation for being a brat too, but time and again he still somehow managed to inspire and improve just about every org he went to from the top to the bottom. Those Heatles teams loved each other, same with those Cavs Finals teams, and even The Lakers in 2020 getting a guy like Caruso to play way he did. You can’t fake that shit. It’s unbelievable man.

weird take.

you sound like a Lebron stan tho, so i guess i get it.

and he did it twice in his career with getting AD to the Lakers.

plus making sure all the Klutch sports guys getting taken care of.

smh.

All these other weirdos are looking for shortcuts and failing

LeBron did it three times: Heat, Cavs, Lakers. All three times, he basically rolled into town and forced those teams to do whatever he wanted, oftentimes involving players that most other teams in the league were happy to see team up with Bron as his teams would look top heavy and thin...and then he wins, so who cares?





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It’s almost the same contract too.

Honestly I think that’s a steal for him - 3 years at 28 mil total is great value.

It’s Caruso all over again. That’s crazy. There is no other player on the
market who can replicate what he does defensively, and with the ability
to attack the basket. He played for peanuts last season.

True, but the total dollar amount of that contract would be $60M, including the luxury tax.

There's a story on The Athletic that says that at the Warriors cap status, every dollar over the tax multiplies by 7. Apparently, Lacob is now hesitant about paying more than $400M in total for the team, including their luxury tax payment.

Retaining Young Glove would have been great. But I can't get mad at an owner for avoiding a $200M tax bill. Especially after coming off of a title.

Warriors possible offer:
Jonathan Kuminga, Moses Moody and James Wiseman, Poole, and two future first-round picks.

Heat possible offer:

Lowry, Duncan Robinson, Tyler Herro/Gabe Vincent/Max Strus, draft picks

Suns possible offer:
Ayton Saric and a 1st

Don't sleep on the Nuggets either.

If that’s legitimate Nets should pounce

Look at their trade assets and it makes sense.

Just throwing it out there (c) Broussard

...would EVER offer that trade for Durant. Or accept it if it was offered to them.

https://www.instagram.com/p/CfdGh08jdvz/

what a piece of shit.

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https://twitter.com/protectedpick/status/1542663919218503680

lol
https://twitter.com/BrooklynNets/status/1542572507269681152


no reason in even having the morey/harden/sixers vs marks/simmons/nets debate at this point. shit is a compounding disaster for brooklyn.

willing to meet his asking price, which they could have met.

I didn’t know that. This dude is a rising player, and the Bulls were too cheap to
acquire him.So they went with Drummond because his price was cheap....I thought it was because they didn’t stand a chance with getting a quality FA center, due to them
not having enough cap space to offer anything significant.

Now I’m not so happy about the Drummond deal. I originally liked the Drummond
signing as a last resort signing. It’s not a good signing when a more talented center could have been picked up.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1542900365892489216

NBA All-Star Zach LaVine has agreed to a five-year, $215.2 million maximum contract
to return to the Chicago Bulls, with a player option in Year 5, Klutch Sports CEO Rich Paul told
@TheAthletic

or Patrick Williams.

https://twitter.com/ChiSportUpdates/status/1542902425681645570

Interesting...

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Really just a matter of do they "know how to win."

Talent wise tho? They might got the best/most.

Boston gives up Theis, Nesmith, Staukas, a first rounder and a couple other bums.

True starting PG.

Still depends if Tatum/Brown are THOSE guys for Boston, but a big move for them.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1542894609113780229

maybe they did and Boston could pay more, i dunno.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10032198-report-malcolm-brogdon-traded-to-celtics-pacers-get-daniel-theis-draft-pick-more

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Is there news?