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2762407, NBA Head Coach Carousel - 2022
Posted by mrhood75, Mon Apr-11-22 03:02 PM
Vogel out for Lakers
Kings aren't bringing back Gentry

More lottery team coaches may be getting the ax.
Probably a few play-offs coaches will be gone depending on how things break.
2762409, Who even wants the Lakers job?
Posted by Cold Truth, Mon Apr-11-22 03:31 PM
This shit is a dumpster fire
The Lakers are POS for allowing that to leak so early
Woj is a POS for the way he reported that so soon

We all knew what was what, but still

This whole team needs an overhaul, from Jeanie’s inner circle in down

It’s still The Lakers though, and Lebron is not likely to go anywhere this offseason. So there’s that. But who is available, worthy of that position, who would even want this damn smoldering mess?
2762412, The Buss family needs to pack it up and sell
Posted by blueeclipse, Mon Apr-11-22 04:04 PM
It's time. They aren't cut out for this shit without Dr. Buss. I don't care what anyone says either that bubble ring is fugazi.
2762413, RE: The Buss family needs to pack it up and sell
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Apr-11-22 04:12 PM
>It's time. They aren't cut out for this shit without Dr.
>Buss. I don't care what anyone says either that bubble ring is
>fugazi.

its comical how many people want to dismiss the Lakers 2020 championship in the bubble yet at the same time time want to hype Eric Spoelstra and the Miami Heat for their greatness and "culture" primarily for their success in that same bubble lol
2762420, You mean the Heat that are currently the 1 seed?
Posted by Frank Longo, Mon Apr-11-22 05:58 PM
Goes without saying that anyone who tries to dismiss any ring for any reason anywhere is insane, lol. Rings are insanely fucking hard to win. Even if you think the bubble was the exception for the Lakers with Bron, they still had to, y'know, go win it, lmao. Shit wasn't handed to them.

But it's also pretty clear that the bubble *is* an anomaly for the Lakers in the Bron era. They've finished 10th, 1st, 7th, 11th in these four years. That's a big spike.

Whereas the Heat were young in the bubble, and while they performed above how folks expected, I think it was and is reasonable to assume that it was a sign of good things to come for Miami. And here we are two years later, and the Heat have earned a 1 seed-- in a year where they dealt with some noteworthy injury absences to boot.

So I don't think the praise for Spo and the Heat comes primarily from their bubble success. I mean, the Lakers are 65-79 since the bubble, the Heat are 93-61. I think it's easy to see why people think the Heat making a deep run in the bubble felt like it was a predecessor of things to come whereas the Lakers' deep run and win within the bubble feels more anomalous. It's shaken out that way over a pretty large sample.

The Heat very clearly has a culture right now, and the Lakers very clearly don't in the Bron era. We know what to expect of the Heat next season, and I've no clue what the Lakers will be or look like.

(But again, anyone trying to dismiss any ring ever is an obvious hater, lol.)
2762422, Many nba players said the bubble was super easy compared to reg playoffs
Posted by guru0509, Mon Apr-11-22 07:00 PM
Anthony Davis Damian Lillard Jamal Murray etc

Lol half of the players didn’t even want to be there

And the ones that did didn’t have to travel and deal with the rigamarole of the playoff grind , no fans etc

Congrats to the lakers but that has a huuuge asterisk next to it , even more than 99’ and the short season

And it would be the same if the Heat had won that year too

>Goes without saying that anyone who tries to dismiss any ring
>for any reason anywhere is insane, lol. Rings are insanely
>fucking hard to win. Even if you think the bubble was the
>exception for the Lakers with Bron, they still had to, y'know,
>go win it, lmao. Shit wasn't handed to them.
>
>But it's also pretty clear that the bubble *is* an anomaly for
>the Lakers in the Bron era. They've finished 10th, 1st, 7th,
>11th in these four years. That's a big spike.
>
>Whereas the Heat were young in the bubble, and while they
>performed above how folks expected, I think it was and is
>reasonable to assume that it was a sign of good things to come
>for Miami. And here we are two years later, and the Heat have
>earned a 1 seed-- in a year where they dealt with some
>noteworthy injury absences to boot.
>
>So I don't think the praise for Spo and the Heat comes
>primarily from their bubble success. I mean, the Lakers are
>65-79 since the bubble, the Heat are 93-61. I think it's easy
>to see why people think the Heat making a deep run in the
>bubble felt like it was a predecessor of things to come
>whereas the Lakers' deep run and win within the bubble feels
>more anomalous. It's shaken out that way over a pretty large
>sample.
>
>The Heat very clearly has a culture right now, and the Lakers
>very clearly don't in the Bron era. We know what to expect of
>the Heat next season, and I've no clue what the Lakers will be
>or look like.
>
>(But again, anyone trying to dismiss any ring ever is an
>obvious hater, lol.)
2762437, So those players all failed to win the easy one, correct?
Posted by Cold Truth, Mon Apr-11-22 10:13 PM
If it was so easy, it cuts far worse on the other end of that blade.

Because it means that those other players and their teams couldn't even win an easy chip.

Don't get me wrong, the bulk of this Lakers "run" has been trash.

But to put an asterisk on this chip, is to also take a Jumbo Jack In The Box Taco flavored shit on every other contender in the league for that year.

And it's absolutely better to win an "easy" chip than it is to NOT win the easy chip- because it if it was so easy, yet every other team failed to do it, then it's an indictment on how bad they all were that they couldn't win the easy one.

This is inescapable. You can't take the asterisk without taking a buttery, bacon bowel bomb on the rest of the league.
2762442, Correct, id feel the same way if Miami, or Denver or whoever won it
Posted by guru0509, Mon Apr-11-22 11:02 PM
congrats but we all know that shit isnt the same as a real playoff run that legends are made of

>If it was so easy, it cuts far worse on the other end of that
>blade.

>Because it means that those other players and their teams
>couldn't even win an easy chip.

pretty sure players and humanity, in general, had something else on their mind in 2020 that might have been a distraction from basketball

you had players OPENLY describing that they felt like they were going in to do a bid and they weren't even in it fully. A few of them straight up refused to go (Paul George being the most glaring example of not being all in)

kyrie was actively trying to get the players union to not go, or boycott it.

playing in that environment in orlando came with its own set of unique difficulties but it wasn't the same NBA playoffs that we all love

******************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************************

2762444, 100% of that makes the Lakers chip stronger
Posted by Cold Truth, Mon Apr-11-22 11:13 PM
That is to say, stronger than the asterisk crowd seems to think it is.

>pretty sure players and humanity, in general, had something
>else on their mind in 2020 that might have been a distraction
>from basketball

So the Lakers were able to deal with ALL THAT, and come together in oursuit of rhe ultimate goal of their profession?

Keep in mind, Kobe died that year.

>you had players OPENLY describing that they felt like they
>were going in to do a bid and they weren't even in it fully. A
>few of them straight up refused to go (Paul George being the
>most glaring example)

So the Lakers had the discipline to NOT do that shit?
They had the focus and intensity to hone in on their goal?

>kyrie was actively trying to get the players union to not go,
>or boycott it.

Cool. So the Lakers played through that adversity, correct?

>playing in that environment in orlando came with its own set
>of unique difficulties but it wasn't the same NBA playoffs
>that we all love
I
...So the Lakers played through those extra difficulties- while having the same general set of beneficial circumstances that everyone else had, and won, correct?

Everything you just said casts the Lakers- and this chip- in a more positive light- while simultaneously shitting on those other players and teams.

Objectively, each of those comments is a point for the Lakers, and takes one away from the rest of the league.

And they don’t exactly make the Lakers chip look any weaker than a “normal” chip.

In the grand scheme of the give and take of this, and with everyone being more or less on an even playing field, apart from things that would generally plague any given team in any given playoffs, such as injuries.... it’s really not that much different than any other chip.

Oh, players shot better? Cool.
Nobody shot well enough to beat the Lakers
2762446, I would expect a Lakers fan to take that stance...it is what it is
Posted by guru0509, Mon Apr-11-22 11:46 PM
I completely forgot about Kobe passing away btw touche

by March that was old news. We had actual real-life problems to deal with.

But I think if polled, most NBA fans wouldnt see that chip in the same light, hell I know a few Lakers fans that feel the same way..that you guys mortgaged it all for something that isnt quite the same


edited for typos
2762450, Note how you didn’t actually rebut any of it
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Apr-12-22 12:29 AM
>I completely forgot about Kobe passing away btw touche
>
>by March that was old news. We had actual real-life problems
>to deal with.

What?

>But I think if polled, most NBA fans wouldnt see that chip in
>the same light,

Cool story. There’s a reason you ran with a blanket argument from popularity. The fact is, that asterisk makes a bigger statement about the rest of the league than it does about the Lakers. You can’t have it solely as a negative stripe against the Lakers without it staining everyone else with the “couldn’t win an easy one” stigma as well. You want the asterisk, you take that shit too.

Of course, you do; you already admitted as much, until it came time to acknowledge the way all those pieces ho hand in hand.

I agree on what your hypothetical poll would say.

Problem is, the actual arguments behind that sentiment are more or less the same as yours- and, like you, those people *completely* ignore the way the downside of those arguments objectively make the rest of the league look bad by comparison.

hell I know a few Lakers fans that feel the
>same way..that you guys mortgaged it all for something that
>isnt quite the same

Note how you had all these specific arguments- but do not have specific responses to reasonable, logical rebuttals, instead going to “well other people think this too”.

That’s an objectively terrible take on ANY subject, specific contextual situations aside. It’s generic and piss poor reasoning, all by itself.

Every single argument you’ve made so far would be just as terrible, were they made about the Kings or Hornets or what have you. My fandom of the team does not in any wag impact the poor quality of your arguments.

So, do you have an actual, substantive rebuttal to any of this?

Or is this a situation where you’re game until it gets dicey for your position, and it's suddenly not that serious, bro, or some other stock cop out? You already used “a Lakers fan WOULD say that”, and “a lot of people agree”.

Do you have anything that isn’t an objectively bad argument under nearly any circumstance, in any discussion, on any subject?
2762452, I'm not in the mood to go back and forth in a circular argument
Posted by guru0509, Tue Apr-12-22 01:02 AM
You think the Lakers won the most difficult championship in NBA history, lol. Cool. Congrats.



>>I completely forgot about Kobe passing away btw touche
>>
>>by March that was old news. We had actual real-life problems
>>to deal with.
>
>What?


there was a global pandemic. google it.


edit, there IS a global pandemic still looming.

new lockdowns in Shanghai
2762453, I never said anything remotely close to that
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Apr-12-22 01:11 AM
>You think the Lakers won the most difficult championship in
>NBA history, lol.

Please, show me where I said that.
I’ll even make it easy and give you a low bar to clear- preponderance of evidence.

God, do you suck at this. It’s not even sporting. You’re that arrogant dude on the court that talks a gang of shit and “pulls a muscle” the second someone swats his shit into the sandbox.

>Cool. Congrats.

Congrats on yet another inept, brain dead, low common denominator, dog shit argument that doesn’t hold up to even minor scrutiny.
2762454, .......
Posted by guru0509, Tue Apr-12-22 01:29 AM
I'm gonna assume the name-calling and nasty attitude is a medical issue. If you need help getting meds, I work in big Pharma. I'm always glad to help out a fellow OKP.

Take it easy, pal. Go Lakers.


2762455, ^shitposter playbook 101
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Apr-12-22 01:43 AM
>I'm gonna assume the name-calling

....except. i didn’t call you a single name.

Once again, you get it objectively, unarguably backward.
I absolutely attacked your garbage arguments.

But I didn’t attack you. Of course- you attacked my person, while pretending it was the other way around, the written record clearly disagrees with you.

>and nasty attitude is a
>medical issue. If you need help getting meds, I work in big
>Pharma. I'm always glad

You’ve really covered the bases here.

You went from really bad, inept, arguments, to the “not gonna waste my time” schtick- as I predicted- to this repugnant bullshit.

That you have so many, and so consistently terrible arguments has absolutely nothing to do with me. Were I never born, your arguments would still be laughably bad.

That you so quickly and clearly switch to bad faith arguments the second you’re pressed with reasonable conjecture, also has nothing to do with me.

Likewise, that you're the sort of scumbag who runs to gross takes like that when your shitposting gets rightly called for what it is, has nothing whatsoever to do with me.

I just happened to be the one to see it, recognize it, and call you on it.

Good news is, you’re not alone. Disingenuous people like you are a dime a dozen.
2762456, you edited and redacted your post like hell lol. I'm glad for you.
Posted by guru0509, Tue Apr-12-22 01:47 AM
You looked unhinged.

I'm done conversing with you as well. Good luck in life.

2762459, Lmao I didn’t “redact” a single thing
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Apr-12-22 02:37 AM
I *added* a couple lines. But I redacted nothing.

Unhinged is you being so comfortable just making shit up even when the written record says otherwise.

That’s a good indication of what kind of shit you’ll invent when there’s no documentation to reference.
2762448, If it was that easy for the Lakers, it was that easy for everyone.
Posted by Frank Longo, Tue Apr-12-22 12:22 AM
Like, the playing field is still even, y’know?

No doubt it’s a different dynamic, but it’s not like the Lakers played with a different rim or ball or whatever, lol. Everyone had the same circumstance in this easy shooting environment. The Lakers turned it into a title where the others couldn’t.
2762457, It was cool, and Lebron and AD played well in that environment.
Posted by guru0509, Tue Apr-12-22 01:49 AM
but it was not a real NBA playoffs. There was a 4 month layoff (it was a benefit for guys who train hard in the "offseason" and a curse for dudes with bad discipline)

there's a reason the analytics jumped off the pages during that stretch.

I'm sorry, you cant eliminate fans, travel, and the rigorous playoff schedule and convince me it's fucking HARDER than what Giannis did, or Kawhii the previous year.

that is just sheer stupidity/delusion on a GOP/QANON level
2762460, What did they do during the bubble?
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Apr-12-22 02:38 AM
Spoiler: not win a title.

Edit, with a footnote so you can’t just make shit up:

Not win a super duper easy cakewalk title.

Edit two. Footnote so you can’t just make shit up:

“Super super” was a typo, corrected to “super duper”.
2762480, It's not harder to win in the bubble. It's the same.
Posted by Frank Longo, Tue Apr-12-22 10:18 AM
>I'm sorry, you cant eliminate fans, travel, and the rigorous
>playoff schedule and convince me it's fucking HARDER than what
>Giannis did, or Kawhii the previous year.

Right, playing without fans, travel, or the rigorous playoff schedule isn't harder than playing in a normal playoff setting. Everyone agrees on that, for the most part.

... but it was easier for *everyone,* not just the Lakers. Just like every single NBA team in a normal playoffs has to contend with fans, travel, and the rigorous playoff schedule... in the bubble, every single NBA team played without fans, travel, and the rigorous playoff schedule.

If all the teams have the same advantages/disadvantages, then how is it easier to *win* in one than the other? Easier to *play* in, yes-- but it's also easier for your opponent in the exact same way, so the difficulty of winning doesn't change.
2762425, the Lakers 2020 title isn't and "anomaly" or rocket science...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Apr-11-22 07:09 PM
>Goes without saying that anyone who tries to dismiss any ring
>for any reason anywhere is insane, lol. Rings are insanely
>fucking hard to win. Even if you think the bubble was the
>exception for the Lakers with Bron, they still had to, y'know,
>go win it, lmao. Shit wasn't handed to them.
>
>But it's also pretty clear that the bubble *is* an anomaly for
>the Lakers in the Bron era. They've finished 10th, 1st, 7th,
>11th in these four years. That's a big spike.

Bron and AD were healthy, they really haven't been since

>Whereas the Heat were young in the bubble, and while they
>performed above how folks expected, I think it was and is
>reasonable to assume that it was a sign of good things to come
>for Miami. And here we are two years later, and the Heat have
>earned a 1 seed-- in a year where they dealt with some
>noteworthy injury absences to boot.
>
>So I don't think the praise for Spo and the Heat comes
>primarily from their bubble success. I mean, the Lakers are
>65-79 since the bubble, the Heat are 93-61. I think it's easy
>to see why people think the Heat making a deep run in the
>bubble felt like it was a predecessor of things to come
>whereas the Lakers' deep run and win within the bubble feels
>more anomalous. It's shaken out that way over a pretty large
>sample.
>
>The Heat very clearly has a culture right now, and the Lakers
>very clearly don't in the Bron era. We know what to expect of
>the Heat next season, and I've no clue what the Lakers will be
>or look like.
>
>(But again, anyone trying to dismiss any ring ever is an
>obvious hater, lol.)
2762439, You mean the year Bron and AD were healthy we boatraced everyone
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Mon Apr-11-22 10:36 PM
And the years they weren’t we didn’t? Veeery interesting.
2762447, Right. Like I said, that’s an anomaly, lol.
Posted by Frank Longo, Tue Apr-12-22 12:19 AM
I’d expect the best franchise in the sport to construct a roster that doesn’t require full health from *both* a 35+ YO and one of the more frequently hurt stars in the game to remain a top 6 team in the west, but maybe I’m the crazy one.
2762491, the Heat that were trying to fight their coach a couple weeks ago lol
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Apr-12-22 12:24 PM
2762493, Yes, the Heat are the first NBA team to have a flare-up on the bench.
Posted by Frank Longo, Tue Apr-12-22 01:44 PM
lol
2762416, It’s not, you’re within your rights to be wrong
Posted by Cold Truth, Mon Apr-11-22 05:12 PM
2762485, this went from a coaching post to a defend the bubble chip post. SMH.
Posted by PROMO, Tue Apr-12-22 11:28 AM
2762486, Feels like classic OKS is back for a moment, doesn't it? lol
Posted by Frank Longo, Tue Apr-12-22 11:29 AM
2762489, You have it backward. It went from coaching to shit on the bubble chip
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Apr-12-22 12:08 PM
There’s nothing to “defend” about the bubble chip, just a lot of bad takes trying to trash it, that don’t hold up.
2762490, One thing is for sure,
Posted by allStah, Tue Apr-12-22 12:24 PM
we know it’s a championship that was won within a 2 month timespan,
and the games were played on a neutral site. There were no fans in the building,
and many teams were affected by Covid.

So there is a huge asterisk that comes with that, and it doesn’t carry the same significance as a championship that is won in a normal postseason.





2762492, Bubble chip was fun.
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Apr-12-22 01:00 PM
Most of the people who've hated on it would LOVE to have one of those, but oh well.
2763463, Borrego out ✌🏾
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Apr-22-22 10:46 AM
.
2763493, I was surprised but Borrego served his purpose
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Fri Apr-22-22 05:54 PM
Is it true that Borrego was difficult to play for?. If so, then his firing makes sense.

I personally don't like it when the coach that gets the team headed in the right direction gets canned right when the time is realizing its potential. But that's what happened here. He was the 'bridge' coach.

I'm interested to see who Charlotte hires. I'd like to see Fiz get a shot. Or Mike Brown. Or Kenny Atkinson.

Since both Atkinson and Brown have experience in GS, maybe they'd bring some form of Kerr's offense to CHA. Lamelo works great on-ball, of course. But running something that encourages passing for the entire team and allows LaMelo to become some Dray/Steph hybrid would be worth watching.
2763500, Kenny Atkinson deserves another chance....
Posted by guru0509, Fri Apr-22-22 08:40 PM
this Nets team would have been better off with him than Steve Nash

>Is it true that Borrego was difficult to play for?. If so,
>then his firing makes sense.
>
>I personally don't like it when the coach that gets the team
>headed in the right direction gets canned right when the time
>is realizing its potential. But that's what happened here. He
>was the 'bridge' coach.
>
>I'm interested to see who Charlotte hires. I'd like to see Fiz
>get a shot. Or Mike Brown. Or Kenny Atkinson.
>
>Since both Atkinson and Brown have experience in GS, maybe
>they'd bring some form of Kerr's offense to CHA. Lamelo works
>great on-ball, of course. But running something that
>encourages passing for the entire team and allows LaMelo to
>become some Dray/Steph hybrid would be worth watching.
2763728, RE: Kenny Atkinson deserves another chance....
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Mon Apr-25-22 05:55 PM
He might not be the coach for THIS team, but he is a good head coach who got screwed out of this job
2763887, mike brown is the guy
Posted by fontgangsta, Wed Apr-27-22 10:42 AM
if we can get him
2763494, YES!
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Fri Apr-22-22 06:03 PM
2763501, i'm a dumbass for caring again. this team has a weak mentality
Posted by RandomFact, Fri Apr-22-22 08:55 PM
i have no idea what to do or what not to do in the offseason.

the amount of times we've been truly embarrassed in the past 2-3 months is just pathetic considering the talent we have on paper.
2763502, this yall first time here i'd run it back
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Fri Apr-22-22 09:07 PM
other than derozan, none of yall lead dogs have ever played an important game in their career
2763670, Yep. Always been a "first go around" season for them.
Posted by Frank Longo, Sun Apr-24-22 06:39 PM
Bring back dudes healthy, bring back the whole gang, use this experience to build.
2763528, It's year 1, relax
Posted by Kira, Sat Apr-23-22 02:42 PM
They need to play together for years to develop experience and chemistry, especially Zo and Caruso.

If Zach and Demar continue to co-exist who knows how far yall get.
2763581, Jumping off the wagon already? Going from 31 wins to 46?
Posted by ThaTruth, Sun Apr-24-22 04:03 AM
2763910, It's been a weird season
Posted by mista k5, Wed Apr-27-22 04:32 PM
The trades were exciting but confusing. At the time I figured they were getting to the playoffs but I didn't know what a realistic ceiling was. It seemed like a first round exit would not be enough but it was hard to expect more than that.

The preseason and start of the season really surprised. I kept waiting for them to come down but they kept winning. So much so that I figured it would translate against the best teams but nah. Injuries came, they could never win against the best teams. Seemed like a repeat of last year. Right when it was time to make a push for the playoffs they fell apart.

That worries me. Maybe it's just a coincidence and this year's collapse was really about injuries. I feel like Billy needs to go but I understand giving him one more year.

Coming into the season it seemed like it was going to be a transition year, they picked up some pieces that would hopefully be worth building around. They had to work with the rest until they could make more moves. I don't know how much they can do this offseason but they definitely need to round out the team better. As great as Zach and DeMar have been I don't think the Bulls have that top player and they are not deep enough to make up for it.

Pat's lack of development is frustrating, he did miss most of his second season but he has to find a way to make up for it this summer. The Bulls need him to be a good starter and he's still too inconsistent. Ayo is exciting. I got a Coby jersey gifted but dude needs to go lol
2763669, This is a placeholder reply for Steve Nash
Posted by Kira, Sun Apr-24-22 06:37 PM
This guy had thee nerve to make KD a facilitating decoy.

This guy had the nerve to leave Lamarcus on the bench.

WTF is he doing that is so great.

Can him after the season and hire a real coach.
2763699, lmao damn beat me to it.
Posted by Cenario, Mon Apr-25-22 09:27 AM
2763701, Lamarcus can barely jump dude...he's finished.
Posted by guru0509, Mon Apr-25-22 09:38 AM
Stephen A was right though

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcCjhzm6plw
2763702, i've been hearing this too much lately
Posted by Cenario, Mon Apr-25-22 09:58 AM
>Stephen A was right though

i don't like it.
2763718, The epitome of “broken clock right twice a day “
Posted by guru0509, Mon Apr-25-22 02:09 PM


>>Stephen A was right though
>
>i don't like it.
2763719, According to Marc Stein, Nash will be safe
Posted by Numba_33, Mon Apr-25-22 02:17 PM
link: https://www.amny.com/sports/steve-nash-nets-job-appears-safe-report/

swipe:

Nets
Steve Nash’s job appears safe even with Nets on verge of first round exit: Report

By Christian Arnold

Even as the Brooklyn Nets face the barrel of 0-3 hole heading into Monday’s Game 4 against the Boston Celtics, it appears Steve Nash’s job is safe as the man in charge.

NBA insider Marc Stein reported that Nash was unlikely to face the chopping block if the Nets were swept out of the first round of the NBA Playoffs, despite the massive expectation that was on the team since the start of the year. Nash is in his second season as the Nets’ head coach.

“One source close to the situation told me over the weekend that he thinks Nash is likely to avoid being rendered management’s fall guy for the Nets’ meek playoff showing, noting how much madness (and, frankly, absurdity) that the former Hall of Fame point guard faced during his second season as a head coach,” Stein wrote in his newsletter.

Nash has faced his fair share of criticism in the last week as the Nets have looked unable to adjust to the dominating defense of the Celtics through the first three games of the series. The Brooklyn coach’s rotation decisions have come into question during different points of the season and again during the playoffs as well.

The former eight-time NBA All-Star has had a dysfunctional two seasons at the helm of the Nets, dealing with everything from COVID-19 and injuries to disgruntled stars and blockbuster trades. Nash also had to coach a team without one of its best players, Kyrie Irving, for a third of the year and who then wasn’t fully available until March.

“There is no evidence in circulation — yet — to suggest that Nash is in some sort of jeopardy … as long as he retains the support of (Joe) Tsai and (more importantly) (Kevin) Durant,” Stein added later.

Nash was a surprise choice to get the keys to the kingdom when Brooklyn hired him as its head coach in September 2020. Nash had no coaching experience at the time and was chosen in part because he had the backing of Kevin Durant.

After two years on the job, Nash has coached the Nets 92-62 record during the regular season and 7-8 record in the playoffs entering Game 4 on Monday night. Brooklyn was eliminated from the Eastern Conference Semifinals in seven games by the Milwaukee Bucks.

The Nets have entered both seasons under Nash boasting highly touted rosters that featured Durant, Irving and James Harden. Brooklyn traded the third member of its Big 3 in February for Ben Simmons.
2763720, who else is going to run the offense? nic claxton? david duke, jr?
Posted by bearfield, Mon Apr-25-22 03:40 PM
BOS game plan is to not let KD get to his spots off ball and double him when he gets the ball. BKN has no answers bc they don't have a true point guard. they have 2 combo-ish guards in dragic and mills that are cooked and can't be trusted to make the right play. kyrie is looking for his shot first, then the pass. i wouldn't want to run my offense through him either. KD is easily their best ball handler and playmaker. they are limited by personnel. only so many adjustments you can make when your roster falls apart when one player can't do what they want. BKN went all in on a top-heavy lineup then lost their true PG. the price they are paying for that is getting washed in the first round

i'm neutral on nash as i think he's had a tough go of it these past 2 seasons and is managing these personalities pretty well. i think d'antoni did a lot of the offensive heavy lifting last year and this year the offense went to shit without him so nash might indeed not have the x's and o's / adjustment chops needed to excel in this league. but idk what you expect him to do coaching-wise with such a weird roster that is getting manhandled by the best defense in the league that is particularly suited to deal with KD and is exceptionally well coached. i wouldn't blame nets FO at all for moving on from nash but i bet they give him at least half a season with simmons/kd/kyrie
2763890, Some of that is on Nash some is KD
Posted by Cenario, Wed Apr-27-22 12:15 PM
KD looked out of sorts game 3 - admitted he overthought it and wanted to let the game come to him. That's not how being a superstar works. You get yours AND help ya team get theres. You just don't stand off in the corner looking aloof.

KD has run pg at points this season. Maybe that was the move Nash needed to make in spots. Let Kd bring the ball up...they gonna double from 40ft away?
2764743, Kings to hire Mike Brown on a 4 year deal
Posted by Dstl1, Sun May-08-22 06:04 PM
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2764745, I guess Steve Kerr’s new chiropractor made it time to move on
Posted by ThaTruth, Sun May-08-22 06:20 PM
2764834, Vaya con Dios. Wish it was a better team than the Kings.
Posted by mrhood75, Mon May-09-22 06:00 PM
Though this is the third straight former Kerr #2 that they've hired.

I know Coach Brown has worked wonders with the Nigerian National Team, but this Kings organization may be hopeless. Gotta hope they draft a can't miss, league ready prospect sometime soon.
2764923, The Kings turn can't-misses into misses.
Posted by Frank Longo, Tue May-10-22 11:30 AM
lol

If we were consolidating the league and eliminating teams, I'd start with Sacramento without batting an eye. Not sure there's a worse player-development team in the NBA.
2764925, what "can't miss" did they miss on? Bagley?
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue May-10-22 11:56 AM
>lol
>
>If we were consolidating the league and eliminating teams, I'd
>start with Sacramento without batting an eye. Not sure there's
>a worse player-development team in the NBA.
2766324, They've had one All-Star in the last *quarter century*...
Posted by Frank Longo, Fri May-27-22 09:21 PM
... that they drafted that made an All-Star team in a Kings uniform.

They've had 24 first rounders in those 25 years. 17 lottery picks in that span. 12 of whom were top 10 picks.

One drafted All-Star while on their roster. Boogie Cousins.

And when you look at the names drafted, most of them were guys drafted top 10 for a reason. They were viewed as either very safe picks or very high upside. And nearly none of them really became what people expected them to be.

And a *lot* of that is on the Kings' player development department.
2764928, That's a no win gig, I'd think.
Posted by Ryan M, Tue May-10-22 12:06 PM
But I'm happy for Mike. He's a good guy. The Kings are just where careers go to die. But shit if he can get them back in the playoffs? Amazing.
2764929, I’m sure he got tired of waiting on Kerr to retire and just wanted to…
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue May-10-22 12:12 PM
get back out there one more time while he was still relatively young
2764930, I'm sure he got tired of waiting on Kerr to retire and just wanted to...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue May-10-22 12:13 PM
get back out there one more time while he was still relatively young
2765833, They say the Lakers are down to Darvin Ham, Kenny Atkinson &Terry Stotts…
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri May-20-22 05:58 PM
I feel like it will be Atkinson, hopefully it won’t be Stotts
2765845, Was hoping we could get Kidd back
Posted by DJR, Fri May-20-22 08:34 PM
2765882, Would be nice but no way Mark Cuban is letting him out of Dallas lol
Posted by ThaTruth, Sat May-21-22 11:35 AM
2766318, lakers hired darvin ham.
Posted by Reeq, Fri May-27-22 07:28 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1530344012607066112
2766320, They hired him over Kenny Atkinson?
Posted by allStah, Fri May-27-22 07:49 PM
Dumb as hell. The Lakers head coaching position should never
be given to a first time head coach, especially when the team consists
of all time great players. I could see if they had a team of young, up and
coming players, similar to Boston. But that’s not the case.




2766321, fuck Kenny Atkinson
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri May-27-22 07:52 PM
2766323, they about to ruin homies young career.
Posted by Reeq, Fri May-27-22 08:06 PM
dude gotta suffer through the underachieving lebron year(s) then get stuck with the post-lebron rebuild.
2766326, Cool. Now I know they made the right choice.
Posted by Ryan M, Fri May-27-22 09:26 PM
2766327, Losing times. Damn your franchise is trash.
Posted by allStah, Fri May-27-22 09:38 PM
2766328, Your franchise remains irrelevant.
Posted by Ryan M, Fri May-27-22 09:48 PM
You’re cheering for a guy who played there 3 teams ago right today.

Oh well.
2766343, They hired him over Darvin Ham?
Posted by Cold Truth, Sat May-28-22 10:25 AM
Dumb as hell. The Lakers head coaching position shouldn’t be given to a retread, especially when the team consists of all time great players. They need fresh blood with freah perspective, not the same old tired retreads. Just look at what Ime Udoka is doing in Boston.

^^^^^What you’d have said if they hired Atkinson
2766440, people act like Kenny Atkinson is a championship coach, dude's record...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue May-31-22 06:24 AM
is 118-190, he made the playoffs once and got curb-stomped by the Sixers in the first round.
2766505, That’s not the point
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue May-31-22 10:36 PM
The point is, L’Ouise over here would have said something similar, regardless of who was actually hired
2766490, Atkinson's strength is to coach up young players
Posted by mrhood75, Tue May-31-22 02:26 PM
As I said in one of the locked play-off posts, the Lakers aren't that team right now.

I don't know who you want coaching a bunch of disgruntled vets, but it's not Atkinson.
2766344, Getting old is wild! I can't imagine how id react
Posted by calminvasion, Sat May-28-22 10:45 AM
If someone told me back then that Darvin Ham, TexascTech, run-jump-dunk n**** Darvi Ham, would be able to actually carve out an nba career. Let alone work his way up to become head coach of the LA Lakers! Good on your, brotha!

I really thought shattering that backboard might be his Peak highlight for a minute.

Also speaks to the unconscious biased of what types of players Make/are likely to succeed as coaches. Nothing about his game said future coach.
2766439, RE: Getting old is wild! I can't imagine how id react
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue May-31-22 06:15 AM
>If someone told me back then that Darvin Ham, TexascTech,
>run-jump-dunk n**** Darvi Ham, would be able to actually carve
>out an nba career. Let alone work his way up to become head
>coach of the LA Lakers! Good on your, brotha!
>
>I really thought shattering that backboard might be his Peak
>highlight for a minute.
>
>Also speaks to the unconscious biased of what types of players
>Make/are likely to succeed as coaches. Nothing about his game
>said future coach.

Most coaches where not great players, but they spent a lot of time on the bench as players then as coaches watching.

Then you have some coaches that never played professionally.
2766833, solid hire
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Sun Jun-05-22 11:36 PM
2766771, Woj: Quin Snyder stepping down
Posted by Dstl1, Sun Jun-05-22 04:37 PM
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2766835, I saw that coming
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-06-22 06:53 AM
2766886, Lakers introduced Darvin ham today, Hornets down to Antoni and Atkinson...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-06-22 05:34 PM
no word on Utah yet, it will be interesting to see which way they go
2767404, Charlotte hiring Kenny Atkinson
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Jun-10-22 05:26 PM
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2767406, I like it a lot , he worked wonders with D’Angelo Russell’s game
Posted by guru0509, Fri Jun-10-22 05:39 PM


And Lamelo is 10x better than DLo

Now they just gotta get miles bridges to stop drinking lean .
2767536, Bogut on Mark Jackson
Posted by tariqhu, Mon Jun-13-22 10:17 AM
Why do you think Mark Jackson hasn’t gotten a coaching job?


"I think everyone deserves a second chance, and he will eventually get another chance. But the well-noted church within a locker room, I think, hurts his job prospects," Bogut commented


https://np.reddit.com/r/warriors/comments/vazyl1/announcement_andrew_bogut_will_be_joining_us_for/
2768256, I mean, people can’t impose their religion on people in the workplace
Posted by Cold Truth, Sat Jun-18-22 03:55 PM
Trying to lay hands on people, calling people the devil, comments he made about Jason Collins being gay, etc

It wasn’t like he just had “Footprints” on display at his desk. The reports are fairly severe.

People who can’t check their religion at the door at work shouldn’t hold any position of authority in any workplace.

You want to hold a voluntary bible study on lunch or whatever, in a way that doesn’t denigrate your coworkers, cool.

But the reports on him are pretty extreme.
2768253, Kenny Atkinson to the Hornets organization: Honestly, Nevermind…
Posted by Dstl1, Sat Jun-18-22 02:35 PM
https://twitter.com/NBATV/status/1538243603511881729?s=20&t=bOSwMZoGu2mz7p2WZFzR5w
2768254, only the hornets smh lol
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sat Jun-18-22 03:16 PM
2768258, white priviledge
Posted by ThaTruth, Sat Jun-18-22 04:27 PM
2768259, His family wasn’t going to move to North Carolina.
Posted by allStah, Sat Jun-18-22 05:17 PM
Plus he is in a great situation at GS. He is the top assistant, and could
possibly be Kerr’s replacement in the future.
2768268, gotta wonder if Kerr is stepping down soon
Posted by Stadiq, Sat Jun-18-22 11:08 PM

And dude got hipped to a potential better job in a year or 2 if he pays his dues.

Doesn't Kerr have back issues, etc?


I mean this season essentially proved the Warriors culture as no joke.
2768269, I think Kerr takes a couple of more years to set things up
Posted by mrhood75, Sun Jun-19-22 12:45 AM
Him stepping down is coming, especially if the Warriors win another title or two in the next few seasons, but I think he's trying to set up the coaching system moving forward, especially with Brown leaving.

Atkinson is sliding into Brown's spot, and I'd guess they're going to push for Iggy to become an assistant once he retires. I still think Iggy is ultimately the one who takes eventually takes over for Kerr.
2768270, I think Kerr will be there as long as Steph is there…
Posted by ThaTruth, Sun Jun-19-22 09:58 AM
he seems to have had his previous back issues fixed. He is set to take over the Team USA job and coach the team in FIBA23 and the 2024 Olympics, I wouldn’t be surprised if he has a few of his GS players on that team
2768374, If/when kerr leaves, he'll be able to get any nba job he wants
Posted by Cenario, Tue Jun-21-22 10:09 AM
owners will be fawning over him.

2768407, back issues he talked about in detail w/ Bill Simmons about 5 years ago
Posted by Nodima, Tue Jun-21-22 04:02 PM
https://play.acast.com/s/billsimmons/steve-kerr-mailbag-part-2-ep-294


It sounded like hell and I remember kinda being surprised he still wanted to coach at all after they won the Durant titles knowing those stories


He's basically an advocate for avoiding back surgery by any means necessary now.


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2768372, MDA meeting with Jorn about the Hornets job
Posted by Dstl1, Tue Jun-21-22 10:00 AM
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2768380, lmao i hope they hire his ass
Posted by Cenario, Tue Jun-21-22 11:15 AM
2768383, It'd be a great hire.
Posted by Frank Longo, Tue Jun-21-22 12:22 PM
Charlotte already doesn't have a chance of being a defensive stalwart type of unit. You've got Melo, one of the best transition playmakers in the NBA, you've got Miles Bridges, a supreme lob catcher, and you've got one of the best 3-point shooting rosters in the league.

Crank that fucking tempo to the fastest in NBA history and make this the most fun-to-watch team in the league. D'Antoni would do it, too.
2768384, He was my preferred choice out of the available options
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Tue Jun-21-22 12:30 PM
It’s time to give lamelo the keys and MDA will really get him cooking. No more of this unorganized street ball they play where anyone who wants to initiate offense can
2768673, Lol…welcome back Clifford
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Jun-24-22 04:36 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1540447271728435211?s=20&t=CColIeguEBGuiBX9Ohd57A
2768677, Lamelo need to demand a trade
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Fri Jun-24-22 07:36 PM
2768713, kemba did quite well under cliff
Posted by fontgangsta, Sun Jun-26-22 07:45 PM
melo will be fine
2768787, I was hot when I heard this bullshit
Posted by legsdiamond, Tue Jun-28-22 04:59 PM
but the reality is Cliff can get them to the playoffs and they will play some gotdamn defense finally

but damn.. this is a bit underwhelming.
2768785, Utah expected to hired Will Hardy
Posted by Numba_33, Tue Jun-28-22 03:05 PM
Based on a quick web search, he worked with Pop in San Antonio and Udoka in Boston as an assistant.

The dude is only 34 years old.

In addition to his extremely young age, I have to wonder how this will impact Donovan Mitchell staying on the team.
2768798, after that run of black coaches getting jobs they're back to hiring...
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Jun-29-22 09:26 AM
random white dudes. I can almost understand Hardy in Utah but Jordan hired Steve Clifford again?