https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/adam-silver-says-new-york-vaccine-mandate-rule-affecting-nets-kyrie-irving-doesnt-quite-make-sense-to-me/

"This law in New York, the oddity of it to me is that it only applies to home players," Silver said. "I think if ultimately that rule is about protecting people who are in the arena, it just doesn't quite make sense to me that an away player who is unvaccinated can play in Barclays but the home player can't. To me, that's a reason they should take a look at that ordinance.

"So while, again, my personal view is people should get vaccinated and boosted, I can imagine a scenario where Brooklyn, as part of New York City, with a new mayor now who wasn't in place, Eric Adams, when that original ordinance was put into place, I could see him deciding to change along the way and say it's no longer necessary to have a mandatory vaccination requirement, as I said, particularly one that only affects home players."

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especially in the playoffs.

the home/away player thing has been weird from the beginning. why is silver switching up now when he was (publicly) in full support for the last few months?

since it was set by nyc and not the league...i figured it had something to do with legal language and only being able to regulate local private sector employers/employees (but not outta state or interstate employees).

mayor eric adams has fully embraced the vaccine mandate even with omicron subsiding. so im not sure why silver has a renewed confidence that he will be eager to lift it (unless joe tsai is padding adams pockets lol).

kinda serious but not serious...adams is a knicks fan. what if he *wants* the nets to fail? lol.

i think the real reason is that silver just wants to switch up his tone/posture so he doesnt look like a complete hypocrite when the nets decide theyll just pay the mandate violation fines for kyrie in the playoffs (and possibly down the stretch of the season) and silver is completely cool with it.

and I agree w/ Silver - the way it's being enforced doesn't make any sense.

>the home/away player thing has been weird from the beginning.
>why is silver switching up now when he was (publicly) in full
>support for the last few months?

I think we're seeing a lot of public health professionals/countries change-course right now (whether it's dropping mask mandates or dropping covid restrictions altogether) based on what's happening w/ the pandemic/data. We are reaching a threshold of community immunity to where almost everyone has (or soon will have) some form of protection (natural/vaccinated/hybrid immunity).

Pair that with what thankfully has been a less lethal variant and signals of potential endemic phase - I think there's reason to be optimistic and for public health policies to reflect that.

>since it was set by nyc and not the league...i figured it had
>something to do with legal language and only being able to
>regulate local private sector employers/employees (but not
>outta state or interstate employees).

To me, this gets to the crux of the problem. A lot of the government response to Covid has been painfully bureaucratic and slow to adapt/act to the situation on the ground.

We've got to be more agile in responding to challenges, enforcing measures (and also restoring civil liberties) - in real time.

>mayor eric adams has fully embraced the vaccine mandate even
>with omicron subsiding. so im not sure why silver has a
>renewed confidence that he will be eager to lift it (unless
>joe tsai is padding adams pockets lol).
>
>kinda serious but not serious...adams is a knicks fan. what
>if he *wants* the nets to fail? lol.

LOL especially after Brooklyn's historic upset in the garden last night.




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Wants to go to a resturant or gym, they have to vaxxed. I think thy created an entertainer clause or something but we know that about revenue

its a bit complicated but there are mandates regarding indoor establishments, public employees (who can be outright terminated for not being vaxxed), private employees (like the nets...where kyrie obviously isnt forced to be fired), etc.

the nets actually fall under 2 vax mandates i believe. theres one that applies to the crowd/customers and one that applies to the employees.

im almost certain that legally they couldnt regulate out of state employees/employers like they could local folks.

they couldnt even regulate private sector employers like public sector employees (penalizing with termination instead of fines).

that would apply to everyone. Problem solved.

No Kyrie. No unvaxxed visiting player. No Kid Rock. No Homeboy Sandman.

Whoever.


But, Democrat leaders have been inconsistent, hypocritical, fickle, little cupcakes on this issue.


Same reason restaurants/bars were open when schools were closed.


Same reason blue states/cities are walking back even mask mandates.


Same reasons Democrats on one hand were implementing these measures and getting caught violating them themselves to get their hair blown or go to their wine parties.


Its what happens when Democrats try to serve two masters (capital and regular people).

Well, I should say they like to put on a show of serving working people.


You take that hypocrisy and add their incompetence? Shiiit no wonder things are still a mess COVID-wise.


But Silver is being, as usual for the past 1.5 year or so, a straight up bitch here. Just caving and not even good at hiding it.

He should run for a Senate seat as a Democrat now that I think about it.

Keep it up with the stick and move my man.

You're as much of a hypocritical stan as anyone on here. Hope you are at least getting paid to be such a good employee...

They could have easily regulated it the same way they regulate it for other business. An out of state chef cant go to an nyc resturant and work without being vaccinated. They allow it however for "out of state performers"

Both you and Silver know that
NYC has mandates
Every person in that arena is vaxxed, except the visiting team
The league claims a 97% vaxx rate
A visiting team of 30 people might have 3 unvaxxed members
and they are tested regularly

Remember, players enter the health and safety protocol when they test positive

If you can't see how alladat is safer than just dropping the mandates, for one of the biggest cities in the world, that was the epicenter of the pandemic..then you and Silver have bigger problems

To call it nonsensical...is actually nonsensical.

Silver tried to flex on the mayor to get Rie back on the court... that's not science.

allowed to play.

If the point of NYC mandate is to not have unvaccinated people in indoor spaces, neither Kyrie nor unvaccinated visiting players should be allowed to play.

He mentioned NYC feeling closer to normal
and the loosening of restrictions/mandates
The mandates being enacted by the mayor's predecessor

You really think Silver is advocating for stricter requirements at this point in the season...?

C'mon son

that isn't something Silver said.

he pointed out the inconsistency in allowing out of state unvaccinated players to play when a home player can't play. He's 100% right. its inconsistent.

He sstated that the rule should be revisited, and smartly avoided saying how to correct. Of course he'd rather see it lifted. It can be lifted by allowing ALL performers to perform in NYC regardless of vaccination status. That's a far cry from dropping all mandates.

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>it's retarded

Eric Adams completely getting rid of the mandate by reversing course doesn't make much sense given that he fired approximately 1,000 city employees last week Friday over vaccination mandates.

For what its worth, there are NY State Assembly members that were working on a bill to close the out of state loophole since late last year before Eric Adams got sworn in. Unfortunately, it appears the bill is stuck in limbo for whatever reasons.

Fok you...now everyone has to be vaxxed...Thank Adam Silver.

>Eric Adams

But my overall point from my post is that if Adams goes and rescinds that mandate that's currently stopping Kyrie from playing, then it would only make sense for him to re-hire those city employees he fired last week Friday.

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Orrrrrrrrr.....


Kyrie can get vaxed and stfu


Props to Bruce Brown for the pro vaccination ad he did "i worked too hard"

>Orrrrrrrrr.....
>
>
>Kyrie can get vaxed and stfu
>
>
>Props to Bruce Brown for the pro vaccination ad he did "i
>worked too hard"

on one hand, the government's response to this pandemic has been complete shit. complete shit. people should be vaccinated, people should be masking in public, no matter how inconvenient it is (bitch-ass niggas complain about that). but the blame of our current lot on the "unvaccinated" is a problem. there are a number of reasons why people can't get the shot/don't have the shot. they're not all wrapped up in antagonistic anti-vax shit (though those people need to be "sequestered" in the worst way IMO). the only reason vaccination has become an issue is precisely for the reasons Silver points out: they don't want their money fucked up. big business has bullied their servant government into "everyone for yourself" measures that mitigate nothing.


at the same time, I ain't trying to hear it from bitch-ass niggas who all of a sudden care about THIS specific flavor of at-will employment when it's been all other things "mandated" by employers and the like before there was a pandemic that would threaten your job, having to be mindful of what you say to an unreasonable level being one of those things. being a certain identity being one of those things.

oh, we can't have you interacting in public places during a pandemic without taking reasonable measures to mitigate the spread of a viral disease? THAT's a problem?!

FUCK YOU.

Kyrie is one of my favorite basketball players ever, but what he is and has been doing is some bullshit. people hailing him as some kind of hero or righteous dude over that can eat a pyramid of dicks.

>on one hand, the government's response to this pandemic has
>been complete shit. complete shit. people should be
>vaccinated, people should be masking in public, no matter how
>inconvenient it is (bitch-ass niggas complain about that). but
>the blame of our current lot on the "unvaccinated" is a
>problem. there are a number of reasons why people can't get
>the shot/don't have the shot. they're not all wrapped up in
>antagonistic anti-vax shit (though those people need to be
>"sequestered" in the worst way IMO). the only reason
>vaccination has become an issue is precisely for the reasons
>Silver points out: they don't want their money fucked up. big
>business has bullied their servant government into "everyone
>for yourself" measures that mitigate nothing.
>
>
>at the same time, I ain't trying to hear it from bitch-ass
>niggas who all of a sudden care about THIS specific flavor of
>at-will employment when it's been all other things "mandated"
>by employers and the like before there was a pandemic that
>would threaten your job, having to be mindful of what you say
>to an unreasonable level being one of those things. being a
>certain identity being one of those things.
>
>oh, we can't have you interacting in public places during a
>pandemic without taking reasonable measures to mitigate the
>spread of a viral disease? THAT's a problem?!
>
>FUCK YOU.
>
>Kyrie is one of my favorite basketball players ever, but what
>he is and has been doing is some bullshit. people hailing him
>as some kind of hero or righteous dude over that can eat a
>pyramid of dicks.

I love a lot of shit Kyrie does, his track record is good on a lot of issues. (pardon the Complex link)
https://www.complex.com/sports/kyrie-irving-social-justice-activism-history

And truth is I love dude's game.

But the sloppiness and goal-post moving with his reasoning for not getting vaccinated really put me off. A large majority of common people are EAGER to sacrifice for public health in NYC. Having this guy paraded around by the Staten Island regressives as 'one of the good NBA players' while he answered evasively and played righteous just made me sick.

link: https://www.amny.com/new-york/mayor-adams-phase-out-covid-19-vaccine-mandate-new-york-city/

swipe:

Mayor Adams ‘can’t wait’ to phase out COVID-19 mask, vaccine mandates in New York City, says plan forthcoming

By Christian Arnold and Robert Pozarycki

New York City’s indoor COVID-19 mask and vaccine mandates will be responsibly phased out in the weeks to come, Mayor Eric Adams said Wednesday.

During a Q&A session with the press in Brooklyn on Feb. 23, the mayor was asked if the city would follow other Northeastern metropolises such as Boston and Philadelphia in rolling back their requirements that people present their vaccination cards or passports and wear masks when visiting a restaurant, bar, office or other indoor business setting as COVID-19 cases have plummeted in recent weeks.

“Yes, and I can’t wait to get it done,” Adams said. He stressed that his administration would be “rolling out some things in the next day or so” to allow for the mandate to be safely ended.

“Every morning I meet with my health professionals ’cause I’ve always stated I’m going to follow the science,” Adams said. “I’m not going to get ahead of the science, because I’m ready to get ahead of all of this and get back to a level of normalcy. But they’re giving us clear structures. They gave us benchmarks. We’re going to follow those benchmarks, but I look forward in the next few weeks of going through a real transformation that I don’t have to wonder what you look like.”

Governor Kathy Hochul ended the mask mandate for indoor establishments earlier this month, but has held off on lifting the requirement for schools, pending further data analysis.

The city instituted the COVID-19 vaccine mandate last fall at then-Mayor Bill de Blasio’s direction as a way to bring customers back into businesses with a semblance of safety. Some civil rights activists and vaccine opponents bristled at the mandate, claiming it infringed on their freedom.

Among those who protested that requirement was the Brooklyn Nets’ Kyrie Irving, who refused to get vaccinated and was sidelined for much of the first half. He ultimately returned to the Nets, but has been relegated to playing for them only in road games — as the New York City vaccine mandate prevents him from participating in the Nets’ home games at the Barclays Center.

The mandate came just before New York City was hit by a massive wave of COVID-19 cases around Christmas time last December, due largely to the fast-spreading Omicron variant. While tens of thousands of new COVID-19 were detected daily during the outbreak’s peak, hospitalizations and deaths did not skyrocket in a similar manner due to vaccinations and new treatments.

And while some businesses, including Broadway shows, had to roll back their activities, New York City avoided another costly shutdown. On Wednesday, Adams said that he’s anxious to end the mandate, but noted that he will not do so in a way that risks the city’s public health.

“All of these experts will tell you one thing: we can’t close down again. And I’m not going to do something out of my anticipation to get back that is going to jeopardize closing down the city again,” Adams said. “Our economy can’t handle it. We don’t have another $11 billion to put back in the economy. We must do it in a smart way and people are going to look back later and say ‘you know he made the right decisions.’ We’re going to get the city back up and operating and we’re going to be rolling out some things in the next day or so on how we’re going to carry that out.”

COVID-19 cases have been plummeting around New York City since early January. As of Wednesday, the city’s Health Department reported that the Five Boroughs’ 7-day positivity rate was down to 1.71%. More than 85% of all New Yorkers have received at least the first dose of the COVID-19 vaccine, and 76.7% of residents are fully vaccinated.

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Even if he can come back full time and the mandate is lifted, this asshole has done irreparable damage to the Nets and to his already flimsy reputation.

I hope they don't win shit.

And while you think it's fine to shit on Kyrie and cape up for Durant I have no idea why. He looks just as shitty in this. He's still a bitch for his Golden State run.

he effectively destroyed the big 3 experiment in under 2 seasons, and (God forbid) should he contract a harsh strain of the virus...hed be largely unprotected (by choice).

and a good part of his own fanbase hates him now.

if thats winning...

Another group is set to be fired in march for not getting a 2nd dose.

Its gonna be a terrible PR look if they lift any vaccine mandate prior to the summer

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Just nyc government and maybe health/congregate care facilities.

i thought a court order stopped it but i couldn't find it.

Mine did...and it was due last year
My heart won't bleed for the less than 1% of city employees that refused to get vaxx
They made a choice.

I really want to see how the Nets react this off-season after they get bounced second round bc Kyrie can’t play in Brooklyn in games 3,4, and 6

Would they really offer him that 187 mill extension that was on the table a few months ago?


The Nets winning a championship with a part time player is bad for the game imo



>https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/adam-silver-says-new-york-vaccine-mandate-rule-affecting-nets-kyrie-irving-doesnt-quite-make-sense-to-me/
>
>"This law in New York, the oddity of it to me is that it only
>applies to home players," Silver said. "I think if ultimately
>that rule is about protecting people who are in the arena, it
>just doesn't quite make sense to me that an away player who is
>unvaccinated can play in Barclays but the home player can't.
>To me, that's a reason they should take a look at that
>ordinance.
>
>"So while, again, my personal view is people should get
>vaccinated and boosted, I can imagine a scenario where
>Brooklyn, as part of New York City, with a new mayor now who
>wasn't in place, Eric Adams, when that original ordinance was
>put into place, I could see him deciding to change along the
>way and say it's no longer necessary to have a mandatory
>vaccination requirement, as I said, particularly one that only
>affects home players."
>
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i guess that's a start.

due to the private sector mandate still being in place.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1498058642083487746

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can't have tourists scared of coming to NYC because of the vaccine mandates preventing them from going to a resturant or seeing a show.

We could be coming out of Covid…and you’re focused on the less than 1% of city employees that didn’t comply with the vaccine requirement
F those people
They made a choice.

what happened to that?

btw there are 3 different mandates at issue here.

only one (general public) is being rolled back right now. the public and private sector employee mandates are still in effect.

im not sure if you thought that one set of employees was freed from the mandate and not the other.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/33392340/new-york-city-mayor-eric-adams-making-exception-brooklyn-nets-kyrie-irving-send-wrong-message

Kryie was trolling by showing up unmasked -- exposing just how ridiculous it is that he can attend a game unvaccinated (and opposing players can play while unvaccinated) - yet he still can't play.

Can't believe Adams is still upholding this mandate. Time to get w/ the times and data.

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The NBA also fined the nets 50k for Kyrie breaking the locker room rule

1400 city employees were just fired for not adhering to the mandate

He has to let some time go by before he can drop it without getting hit w unlawful termination lawsuits or whatever it is they’d file ( im not an attorney)


>Kryie was trolling by showing up unmasked -- exposing just
>how ridiculous it is that he can attend a game unvaccinated
>(and opposing players can play while unvaccinated) - yet he
>still can't play.
>
>Can't believe Adams is still upholding this mandate. Time to
>get w/ the times and data.
>
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The problem isn’t that Adams won’t make an exception for Kyrie; it’s that Kyrie won’t get vaxxed.

>The problem isn’t that Adams won’t make an exception for
>Kyrie; it’s that Kyrie won’t get vaxxed.

they notified 3247 employees who hadn't submitted proof of a second dose,

3146 did, the rest got fired


this mandate isn't going anywhere.

I guess Eric Adams is doubling down on the public/private mandates if he's asking for proof for second vaccine shots.

I can understand requiring vaccinations if you work with folks with impaired health or work in a congregate/group setting, but to have a blanket mandate when the rest of the city is opening up does bother me a bit on sheet principle. And I'm not anti-vax at all as I have three shots and I'll get a fourth if another COVID wave hits later on down the line, but the inconsistency is a bit weird since the city is loosening up with the restrictions and COVID numbers for the time being are somewhat low.

The whole attention to the shootings/stabbings/random acts of violence that's been hitting the city is making it easy to overlook this whole inconsistency of the vaccine mandates IMO.

>The whole attention to the shootings/stabbings/random acts of violence that's been hitting the city is making it easy to overlook this whole inconsistency of the vaccine mandates IMO.

Like outside of Kyrie, how big of a deal is it? On its face, it is reasonable to employ a standard for employees that does not apply to patrons. Kyrie isnt the only place where the mandate is inconsistent.

A waiter may have gotten fired for not being vaxxed but can still enjoy as a patron...same for the guy that works at the movie theater, usher at a broadway play, etc.

Which kind of plays to kyrie's point. Everyone cares about the mandate bc of kyrie and basketball but it is bigger than kyrie and basketball. What does kyrie do with that point. I have no idea. lol But its kinda sad for society (which yeah our society sucks) that people care about the mandate bc of a basketball player as opposed to hundreds or thousands that have lost their job bc of it.

>Like outside of Kyrie, how big of a deal is it? On its face,
>it is reasonable to employ a standard for employees that does
>not apply to patrons. Kyrie isnt the only place where the
>mandate is inconsistent.
>
>A waiter may have gotten fired for not being vaxxed but can
>still enjoy as a patron...same for the guy that works at the
>movie theater, usher at a broadway play, etc.

Incidentally, if Kyrie was really making a stand to support people who lost their jobs because of these mandates (as he originally signaled), he could've done a lot more to bring attention to that.

>Which kind of plays to kyrie's point. Everyone cares about the
>mandate bc of kyrie and basketball but it is bigger than kyrie
>and basketball. What does kyrie do with that point. I have no
>idea. lol But its kinda sad for society (which yeah our
>society sucks) that people care about the mandate bc of a
>basketball player as opposed to hundreds or thousands that
>have lost their job bc of it.

Agreed -- but I also think this is an instance where people just want to see someone punished for not adhering to their world view. More people are probably for Kyrie continuing to sit because of their disdain for his stance on vaccines than for exploring whether Kyrie playing actually endangers anyone's public health.

People got their heels dug in and seemingly enjoy seeing others get punished, whether it makes sense or not.

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don't have to deal with Kyrie. My issues are based on the fact the city is opening up and COVID numbers for the past two or so weeks now have been relatively low. I don't make sense in my eyes for the city to loosen vaccination standards, yet for folks to potentially and actually lose their jobs because of rules are aren't maintained across the board.

To be clear once again, I can understand if there are vaccine rules for folks that work in close contact with people with weakened immune systems or in congregate/group settings, but to have an across the board mandate while rules are loosening up across the city and COVID numbers are relatively low doesn't make sense to me.

the way he said what he said and basically tried to son the mayor.

for one...eric adams has an ego. so theres a good chance that he could double down out of spite because he feels like kd is challenging him.

and two...if eric adams *did* want to phase out the mandate in question...it could now be perceived that he did it to favor kyrie/kd and bowed to their pressure.

the mayor will be made out to be the villain here by a lot people. but like others in this post have said...kyrie could just be an adult and get the vaccine. and we would never hear of this mandate again.

the interesting part...a lot of people are sounding off against the silly inconsistency of the mandate. but i dont really see many people that are actually pissed that kyrie cant play lol.

like could you imagine if the mandate was keeping out one of the stars on the warriors, suns, bucks, etc? there would be assassination attempts on those mayors lives lol.

He pissed and moaned a lot before and a little after, but he went ahead and did it. Meanwhile, Kyrie was posting Morpheus memes.

one of the kyrie defenders talking points is that hes the only unvaxxed player that has to deal with this because he plays in nyc.

but really...hes the only one that has to deal with this because he wants to be the only one that has to deal with this. many of the initially publicized holdouts and skeptics eventually just got the shot and moved on with their lives/careers.

itll be fucked up if the mandate stays in place and keeps their record in play-in round territory. then they have to go on the road to toronto (and *their* mandate is still in place) and kyrie cant even play in that road game.

He gonna find out the depth of Eric Adam's pettiness if he doesn't quit lol

Good on him (or more likely his agent) to release that statement to clean up his mess. The weird thing is that last week Kyrie gave a diplomatic soundbite where he said he appreciated Eric Adams saying he supported him in spirit. Then Durant made that crazy soundbite acting as if Eric Adams is holding the mandate in place just to spite Kyrie.

Hopefully Durant and Kyrie realize the mandate issue is more complicated than just affecting Kyrie since Adams has to worry about those city employees he fired because of the mandate. I am curious how he's going to handle that, assuming that mandate eventually gets rolled back if COVID-19 continue to decrease over the next couple of months.

but keep the mandate for public employees.

businesses??? wtf

and visiting players can come in and play unvaxxed

it really shows how NYC overstepped and backed themselves into a corner.

and I’m vaccinated but IMO forcing people to get vaccinated or lose their jobs never sat well with me.

This is much bigger than kyrie but is only a consistent story bc of kyrie. I don't think NYC overstepped i think they didnt expect this still to be a story in March 2022 bc of kyrie fucking irving lol

The kyrie situation could play itself out in every business every day when someone can't be employed by a business but still utilize their service. But Stephen A isn't going to opine on the person fired by Mcdonalds for not getting vaxxed but can still pick up a big mac.

particularly at this stage of the pandemic.

>it really shows how NYC overstepped and backed themselves into
>a corner.
>
>and I’m vaccinated but IMO forcing people to get vaccinated
>or lose their jobs never sat well with me.

I'm vaccinated as well but always saw this as an essential personal choice people/entities need to make. I also think that personal choice extends to government/employers to make decisions they feel is best for their constituents/customers as well (not just individual choice) -- but the vaccines weren't the singular solution to stopping the pandemic that they were purported to be, so the cost/benefit analysis of firing people for not complying hasn't turned out to be a policy that has really moved the needle on us beating the pandemic - but it has accomplished a lot of unintended consequences (punitive measures; economic instability and more people struggling in a time when inflation is roaring).

I can't see how this has been a public policy win for anyone.


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Kryie was trolling...and that's the side your choosing
A person choosing to troll a virus
You would think you'd be a little smarter about social issues after the Tulsi Gabbard thing...but here you are
Do better.

I'm not choosing a "side" - even though I'm sure that's how your simple simon mind works.

This policy makes zero sense and isn't even science-based -- it's just ineffective governing.

How that relates to Tulsi Gabbard? Only your mind can explain that one.

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With the travel, even international
Close proximity to each other unmasked
It seems like an industry that should mandate vaccines for employees
?

What science is there that mandates are ineffective?

You've offered nothing to support the argument that mandates should be removed

Kyrie is not a victim
He's an adult that made a choice

The Mayor of NYC is responsible for 8M people

F Kyrie and anyone defending his trolling.

Remember he opted out of the bubble too
Dude is not above rules
His choice.

but an agreement with the NBPA couldn't be reached and the labor union (players) ultimately didn't want a blanket mandate enforced. I'd prefer that this decision be ultimately made by the players and not a Commissioner and/or the owners. You disagree?

Mandates are effective at raising vaccination rates - for sure - but there's also been studies looking at just how effective lockdown measures and restrictions have been at reducing Covid mortality - and the results are often disparate.

That said, even when some measures aren't as effective as we initially thought they'd be (mask-mandates for example) - even if they are at least somewhat effective there's strong arguments to support implementation.

But my main point is that NYC and other local governing bodies should be agile in enforcing/relaxing covid requirements. For instance: should policies be the same right now as they were in December when Omicron was roaring?

Covid cases have flat-lined in NYC at the moment, and it makes sense to relax restrictions in accordance with the pandemic's trajectory - particularly when essentially everyone has some form of immunity at this point (whether vaccinated/natural/hybrid). Omicron has also been less lethal than previous variants.

So - right now - on March 15th 2022 in the current state of Covid - does it make sense to just keep the same policy intact preventing Kyrie from playing?

Why not temporarily lift these kinds of restrictions when case-loads are very low/hospitals aren't over capacity - and then reinstitute restrictions if/when new variants emerge and/or case-loads spike? Or dropping outdated mandates that don't make much sense (like allowing visiting unvaccinated players to play and unvaccinated/unmasked customers to attend the games, but disallow Irving from playing).

There seems to be a total lack of contextual nuance vis-a-vis covid policies, analysis of vaccine efficacy, utility of lockdowns etc... We just seem want to have one rigid way to look at it.

The problem with a lot of the policies is that they were instituted when the belief was that being vaccinated meant the virus stops with you. Unfortunately, public health officials in the US were overly optimistic about how effective these vaccines were at stopping transmission (even if they were quite good at preventing severity). Once that was known, we should've altered policy to reflect the ever-changing science.

>F Kyrie and anyone defending his trolling.
>
>Remember he opted out of the bubble too
>Dude is not above rules
>His choice.

For me this isn't about whether I "like" Kyrie Irving or not. It's more about looking at what policies/restrictions are actually saving lives, and which ones are just creatures of bureaucracy and its inability to flexibly react to changing realities on the ground, in real time.

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We have 2 years of data
The trends bottomed at the same time the last 2 summers
Should we have lifted the mandates July 2020 or 2021?

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/new-york-city-new-york-covid-cases.html

The spike we saw this winter was the worst of the entire pandemic in NYC
+40K cases a day

Once you remove the mandates, you're not going to get the public to be complicit by reinstalling them if there's another spike

You admit the mandates work
But want them removed
and you're replying in a post about the NBA, immediately after Kyrie trolled the league and KD tried to call out the mayor
But it's not about Kyrie...?

Typing paragraphs, without providing any information

There's studies...cool...I missed the links

Anybody playing victim because they refuse to get vaccinated can f off.

Do you live in NYC?

but this idea that if you lift regulations temporarily (in accordance with pandemic data) that "there's no turning back" is absurd. Reasonable people understand that loosened restrictions get tightened again when there's a public health need.

Public health should be the only metric we're looking at here.

>The spike we saw this winter was the worst of the entire
>pandemic in NYC
>+40K cases a day

Mortality rates and ICU capacity are more important metrics than cases. Despite the high case-rate, mortality rates weren't as high as in previous spikes and hospital capacity was in much better shape.

>Once you remove the mandates, you're not going to get the
>public to be complicit by reinstalling them if there's another
>spike

Not sure what that means. The public isn't necessarily on board with current restrictions. Decisions should be made based on public health merits - not necessarily whether it appeases the public.

>You admit the mandates work
>But want them removed

I said that the mandates work in increasing vaccination -- but the mandates haven't necessarily worked to curb case-rates or stop the pandemic. The vaccines have been way leakier than they purported to be in terms of stopping transmission.

>and you're replying in a post about the NBA, immediately after
>Kyrie trolled the league and KD tried to call out the mayor
>But it's not about Kyrie...?

Correct - it's not about Kyrie (though he's involved in the story) - it's primarily about a non-sensical mandate that should be either lifted or reformulated to where it makes sense.

>Typing paragraphs, without providing any information
>
>There's studies...cool...I missed the links

Didn't realize you were looking for a link-a-thon - but here are some studies/papers to consider:

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/08/why-lockdowns-dont-work-in-lower-income-countries/

https://news.berkeley.edu/2021/02/05/pandemic-caused-staggering-economic-human-impact-in-global-south-study-says/

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.abe0997

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4022798

https://www.nber.org/papers/w28930

https://sites.krieger.jhu.edu/iae/files/2022/01/A-Literature-Review-and-Meta-Analysis-of-the-Effects-of-Lockdowns-on-COVID-19-Mortality.pdf

This isn't to say that some of the mitigation measures haven't worked. They have - but to what degree is in dispute - and the unintended consequences of lockdown also have to be factored in - particularly in
developing countries that don't have the luxury to work from home on laptops all day.


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I was trying to gain insight into your rationale

Replying to a graph with 6 links explains a lot

"This isn't to say that some of the mitigation measures haven't worked. They have - but to what degree is in dispute - and the unintended consequences of lockdown also have to be factored in - particularly in
developing countries that don't have the luxury to work from home on laptops all day."

WTF does that have to do with removing mandates in NYC
There isn't a lockdown
Your first few links are about low-middle income countries...?
Other than learning what the acronym LMIC stands for...how is this relevant

"Mortality rates and ICU capacity are more important metrics than cases. Despite the high case-rate, mortality rates weren't as high as in previous spikes and hospital capacity was in much better shape"

Umm... you do realize... that's how vaccines work...yes?


Mandates work... but not for the global south

Point taken

What does that have to do with NYC

We're not sheltering in place or in the global south

WTF

I'll leave you here

I would recommend keeping mandates in place through the winter
We need to make it through a cold/flu season without a spike before we remove all mandates IMO

We obviously disagree.

Lockdowns don't just affect NYC and first-world nations. There are vulnerable communities in every country that aren't getting access to routine medical testing/care and are suffering unintended consequences of poor public policy (see: nursing home debacle in NY).

The problem is more pronounced in the Global South - for sure - but with so much community immunity floating around now (and a less lethal variant on the scene) - the idea that we would just maintain the exact same mandates/policies from 2 years ago doesn't make sense - and doesn't account for the fact that we are significantly more equipped to manage the pandemic/endemic now.

Unfortunately, Covid is but one of a myriad hazards of navigating the modern world.


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CBA

The NBA isn’t the only industry with CBAs

...and instead, all the headlines are about them going to war with the mayor and how dumb he is/how dumb NYC is/ and how Kyrie should be freed.


There is absolutely no way a team with this many distractions makes it to the second round, let alone win an NBA title.

and it makes sense to be a 5th seed or lower so they dont have home court advantage.. lol

without Kyrie

for both games.

lmao

>and it makes sense to be a 5th seed or lower so they dont
>have home court advantage.. lol


*I doubt he even plays this season

>There is absolutely no way a team with this many distractions
>makes it to the second round, let alone win an NBA title.

They're making a deep playoff run.

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Gotta crawl before you walk

Kyrie can only play in 4 more regular-season games.

Luka and company tonight.


>>There is absolutely no way a team with this many
>distractions
>>makes it to the second round, let alone win an NBA title.
>
>They're making a deep playoff run.
>
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KD is back to being KD. Earlier in the season when KD was healthy - Nets were a top 2 seed (even with Harden injured and Kyrie barely playing).

I think this current roster has vastly improved with a lot of glue guys/elite role players stepping up. KD playing at this level means the Nets always have a chance - even if Kyrie only plays 2/3 games out of every playoff series.

Nets probably extend this little win streak to something much bigger, and get real momentum by the time Ben comes back/playoffs start.

I think the Nets are must-watch TV right now lol.


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that aren't vaccinated. Expect the law to be changed shortly.

exempt?

And we expect baseball to be the reason this is changed?

>exempt?
>
>And we expect baseball to be the reason this is changed?

its outdoors and baseball money hits different

How does baseball money hit different?

mot sure it hits different but since its “America’s Pastime” I think people believe it will get the Aaron Rodgers treatment

A brief week of “OMG, the nerve..” followed up quickly with a change to the mandate.

But I am impressed by your stance. You really think rules won’t be chamged
for rich white folks. That’s cute.

of being inflexible with the mandates due to the fact he fired city workers for not getting vaccinated. He'll have a much bigger headache if he tries to create loopholes for athletes while not addressing the city workers he fired.

As much attention as the Kyrie situation is getting, him resolving the city workers he fired is a bigger story IMO, especially if the COVID positivity numbers continue to stay low and NYC continues to open up even more.

but nationally its Kyrie and Baseball.

will be interesting seeing if he sticks to his guns once baseball starts.

You don't think rich white people have businesses that were affected by the mandates?

NYC’s new health czar makes case for keeping private sector vaccine mandate and masks for young kids

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/new-york-elections-government/ny-nyc-health-commissioner-covid-masks-young-children-20220318-wlchouxajbae5ahay2krb6hghy-story.html

By CHRIS SOMMERFELDT and MICHAEL GARTLAND

Mayor Adams’ newly minted health commissioner recommended Friday that the city should indefinitely maintain its mask mandate for kids younger than 5, striking a more cautious tone than his boss, who would prefer to scrap the restriction sooner rather than later.

Dr. Ashwin Vasan laid out the case for continued pandemic caution during a COVID-19 briefing in Queens, his first since taking over as the city’s health commissioner earlier this week.

The two primary coronavirus restrictions that remain in effect are the school mask mandate for kids younger than 5 and the vaccine mandate for the city’s private workforce — and Vasan said he believes neither of those requirements should be lifted anytime soon.

“I think it’s indefinite at this point,” Vasan said of the workforce mandate, which requires all private employees in the Big Apple to be fully vaccinated against COVID-19. “People who have tried to predict what’s going to happen in the future in this pandemic have repeatedly found egg on their face, as they say, and I’m not going to do that here today.”

In terms of the mask mandate for kids younger than 5, Vasan offered a personal plea for why it shouldn’t be rescinded for the time being.

“I would love nothing more than to send my son to daycare without a mask,” said Vasan, whose kid is 4. “But as a scientist ... I want to keep him safe because he’s not eligible for a vaccine.”

Adams, who lifted the city’s Key2NYC vaccine mandate for indoor activities like dining earlier this month, has offered a slightly different assessment in recent days regarding rolling back the toddler mandate.

When he was approached by a group of angry parents Thursday demanding that he allow the youngsters to go without masks, Adams told them, “I got this. They’ll be unmasked.”

The debate over rescinding the remaining mandates is playing out as concerns that a subvariant of COVID’s omicron strain — the BA.2 variant — could cause another surge in the Big Apple.

When asked about the sub-variant, which is spreading quickly in other parts of the world, Vasan noted that “we are tracking these variants very closely.”

“Currently, there’s no evidence that BA.2 causes more severe illness, increases risks of hospitalization, or our current vaccines offer less protection against it, but we continue to monitor this,” he said.

Dr. Celia Quinn, the mayor’s deputy commissioner for disease control, noted that, amid a slight uptick in overall COVID cases citywide, cases of the BA.2 sub-variant have been increasing in recent weeks, about 30% of overall cases in the city currently.

“It may be a little bit more transmissible, and that’s why it’s increasing in proportion to the other circulating omicron strains,” she said. “So we’ll be watching the cases, hospitalizations rates, and its impact on our health care system.”

Like his predecessor Dr. Dave Chokshi, who recently stepped down as commissioner, Vasan emphasized the importance of getting vaccinated to protect against COVID.

Booster shots, he noted, are also a part of that.

“We need all eligible New Yorkers to get their booster as soon as it’s their time, and for many of you, that time is now,” he said. “Boosters are especially important for those at high risk of severe outcomes and those 65 and older — of which only 55 percent of New Yorkers have received their booster or additional dose.”

there goes that.

Eric Adams doesn't give a fuck about aaron judge or kyrie irving and nor should he

As an employee in the private sector of NYC, I'm glad for the mandate and so are most New Yorkers. The nets matter very little in the grand scheme of things.

asking about the mandates so that kyrie can play, and not about someone else who makes 40k that is refusing to be vaccinated.

If kyrie's point was to prove how dumb society was, he did it. But we knew all of that already. I don't know what his end game is.

I feel like he'd be better off getting vaxxed (bc he's not anti vax right?) and starting some fund to pay those that lost their job bc of the mandate.

Instead the convo is just when is NYC gonna end the mandates so that kyrie can play, nothing about everyone else.

is something I've heard a few talking heads in the media bring up lol, I'm sure Joseph Tsai (who owns Barclays if im not mistaken) and the employees in Barclays would be thrilled for that proposal

it's getting ridiculous now (but I think KD sees the writing on the wall for this season, given the tone of his recent comments


>asking about the mandates so that kyrie can play, and not
>about someone else who makes 40k that is refusing to be
>vaccinated.
>
>If kyrie's point was to prove how dumb society was, he did it.
>But we knew all of that already. I don't know what his end
>game is.
>
>I feel like he'd be better off getting vaxxed (bc he's not
>anti vax right?) and starting some fund to pay those that lost
>their job bc of the mandate.
>
>Instead the convo is just when is NYC gonna end the mandates
>so that kyrie can play, nothing about everyone else.

yeah i saw kd's recent comments and that was a bit surprising.

>I feel like he'd be better off getting vaxxed (bc he's not
>anti vax right?) and starting some fund to pay those that lost
>their job bc of the mandate.

almost like dude didnt really give a fuck about the voiceless.

..Kyrie doesn't have to change his stance in order to help/show support for city employees that lost their jobs. That charitable fund is certainly possible.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

he's being fined and his fines are going to support employees of new york city that lost their job to the mandate?

..but that it just makes sense, considering Kyrie's current stance on the mandate.

No idea if anyone in the league cares enough to follow through though.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

.

and made the mayor speed up the phase out timeline.

cuz nobody in ny really gives a fuck about the nets (especially kyrie).

but once you start fucking with the yankees...

on the low...i hope he rescinds the mandate 12am on the night the nets get eliminated. that would be gangster af.

but no one wants to see exemptions for a multimillionaire cry baby who thinks he's being persecuted.

Nets fans are way more relaxed than Knick fans though. A lot of them think Eric Adams is the villain now....but can you imagine if Kyrie was in a Knicks jersey and pulled this shit? oh my god, he would have bottles thrown at him for sure if he showed up to sit courtside like he did at the Nets game


>on the low...i hope he rescinds the mandate 12am on the night
>the nets get eliminated. that would be gangster af.

I think it gets rescinded before June, just in time for the summer tourism season.

I could possibly see the Nets being in trouble without Kyrie at home

i say the officials...silver gon be pissed if Lebron and KD ain't in the playoffs.

thats the buzz around City Hall right now.

Eric Adams to announce things tomorrow

edit unvaccinated athletes will be allowed to play sports,

mandate to remain in place for non entertainers

Props to Adams if it goes through for not tripling-down stubbornly on a senseless policy - but I don't like that it appears to be a carveout for performers. It should apply uniformly across the board IMO.

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lmao at thinking a mandate would stick once baseball got involved

Democrats get their asses kicked every few years.

Well, one reason.

None of their alleged values ever wins out over
what their donors want.

Without fail they end up being huge fucking
hypocrites.

They attack the gop on something- like COVID
response - and end up in practice a lot closer
to the gop than any of their local defenders/employees
would have you believe.

Mandate loopholes, mandates getting eliminated,
letting funding lapse without a fight, lying about
Test-to-treat programs, shitting on WFH policies,
ignoring science and telling everyone to take
their masks off, reducing testing/data, etc.


And that’s just a few examples of their extreme
hypocrisy on COVID alone.

And these are the “good” guys…lol


Also lol at the mixed messaging. Dems are “taking
the win on covid” mostly due to vaccines.

But are easing requirements/mandates.

So do the vaccines stop the spread or nah?

Should everyone get one or nah?


If numbers tick back up in New York with this
next variant, how are they going to sell a vaccine
that wasn’t more important than venue $$ ? That’s
assuming revenue was even impacted.

What an unserious political party.

You'd find a bigger audience there

i never thought id see a GOP person on OKP


>Democrats get their asses kicked every few years.
>
>Well, one reason.
>
>None of their alleged values ever wins out over
>what their donors want.
>
>Without fail they end up being huge fucking
>hypocrites.
>
>They attack the gop on something- like COVID
>response - and end up in practice a lot closer
>to the gop than any of their local defenders/employees
>would have you believe.
>
>Mandate loopholes, mandates getting eliminated,
>letting funding lapse without a fight, lying about
>Test-to-treat programs, shitting on WFH policies,
>ignoring science and telling everyone to take
>their masks off, reducing testing/data, etc.
>
>
>And that’s just a few examples of their extreme
>hypocrisy on COVID alone.
>
>And these are the “good” guys…lol
>
>
>Also lol at the mixed messaging. Dems are “taking
>the win on covid” mostly due to vaccines.
>
>But are easing requirements/mandates.
>
>So do the vaccines stop the spread or nah?
>
>Should everyone get one or nah?
>
>
>If numbers tick back up in New York with this
>next variant, how are they going to sell a vaccine
>that wasn’t more important than venue $$ ? That’s
>assuming revenue was even impacted.
>
>What an unserious political party.
>
>
>
>

>You'd find a bigger audience there
>
>i never thought id see a GOP person on OKP

You don’t remember theprofessional lol

>

just someone tired of seeing Dems miss easy layups by trying to do too much reverse spin up and under shit instead of using the backboard

This is a covid issue , not abortion or gun control or Israel or blah blah


If he isn’t , my apologies to Stadiq


>just someone tired of seeing Dems miss easy layups by trying
>to do too much reverse spin up and under shit instead of using
>the backboard
>
>

and half of GD posts like red state folks and don't even realize it. GD has been a reactionary hotbed for several years now.

and NOT someone who just pays attention to details

Either gotta be Russian bots, GOP, or MAGAs if there's any critical analysis on Dems. Only serves to further alienate natural allies from the party. Not sure how that strategy accomplishes anything productive. What it does is create further fissures within the "big tent" - if there even is such a thing anymore.

Of course, the GOP is abysmal. But this idea that Dems just get a pass because of how awful Republicans are is a tired playbook that doesn't help anyone - except for those who benefit from a frozen status-quo.

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I just don’t think it’s a dem or republican issue , it was a global pandemic

I lurked that Ukraine post in GD and cringed .

Everyone in there is just regurgitating the same milk toast Democrat pro Ukraine talking points on MSNBC and CNN with no room for nuance or understanding of Slavic history / background


>Either gotta be Russian bots, GOP, or MAGAs if there's any
>critical analysis on Dems. Only serves to further alienate
>natural allies from the party. Not sure how that strategy
>accomplishes anything productive. What it does is create
>further fissures within the "big tent" - if there even is such
>a thing anymore.
>
>Of course, the GOP is abysmal. But this idea that Dems just
>get a pass because of how awful Republicans are is a tired
>playbook that doesn't help anyone - except for those who
>benefit from a frozen status-quo.
>
>-->

You knew this pandemic was going to far worse in the US when the issue was immediately framed as yet another hyper polarized, partisan issue.

When really - this should be an area where we can abandon all the political posturing and rally around public health. But not in the US lol.

>I lurked that Ukraine post in GD and cringed .
>
>Everyone in there is just regurgitating the same milk toast
>Democrat pro Ukraine talking points on MSNBC and CNN with no
>room for nuance or understanding of Slavic history /
>background

I peered in that post as well and saw the mess-making on full display. We have a crisis in critical thinking. Too many of us are just catching downloads and being told what to think instead of learning how to think - and big media (Fox/CNN/NBC) is largely responsible for this dumbing down IMO. They are continually framing stories in bad faith, omitting critical information and/or just pumping propaganda.

We often remark on how much propaganda is coming out of Putin's regime - and rightfully so. He's a master of disinformation and authoritarianism. But it's as if there's no room to acknowledge where we could've been better actors on the world stage -- and if you do -- you're increasingly more likely to be maligned and/or smeared.

We're in a really unhealthy place re: national discourse.



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And his “intelligence” and how the bad guy is coming to get us if we don’t stop him!!!

😂

Half of them couldn’t name 50 countries on a blank map and probably don’t even have a passport

>You knew this pandemic was going to far worse in the US when
>the issue was immediately framed as yet another hyper
>polarized, partisan issue.
>
>When really - this should be an area where we can abandon all
>the political posturing and rally around public health. But
>not in the US lol.
>
>>I lurked that Ukraine post in GD and cringed .
>>
>>Everyone in there is just regurgitating the same milk toast
>>Democrat pro Ukraine talking points on MSNBC and CNN with
>no
>>room for nuance or understanding of Slavic history /
>>background
>
>I peered in that post as well and saw the mess-making on full
>display. We have a crisis in critical thinking. Too many of
>us are just catching downloads and being told what to think
>instead of learning how to think - and big media (Fox/CNN/NBC)
>is largely responsible for this dumbing down IMO. They are
>continually framing stories in bad faith, omitting critical
>information and/or just pumping propaganda.
>
>We often remark on how much propaganda is coming out of
>Putin's regime - and rightfully so. He's a master of
>disinformation and authoritarianism. But it's as if there's
>no room to acknowledge where we could've been better actors on
>the world stage -- and if you do -- you're increasingly more
>likely to be maligned and/or smeared.
>
>We're in a really unhealthy place re: national discourse.
>
>
>
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...them rules got changed real quick

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Close to a vaxx for under 6Y.O. population
I’m not a fan of removing mandates
IMO it will be more difficult to get the GP to comply after signaling Covid is over
and I still haven’t seen the science to justify removing vaxx requirements in NYC
?

At this point the requirement is meaningless. People that got fully vaxxed a year ago are no longer protected per science. So to be 'effective' the requirement would need to be updated to include recent vaccination or boosted. No way people are gonna go for a booster requirement now.

The people that were going to get vaccinated, got it already. No new folks are getting vaccinated bc of the key to nyc requirement. They all got their fake cards already.

"So to be 'effective' the requirement would need to be updated to include recent vaccination or boosted"

We reached herd immunity through vaccination
The science says efficacy is diminished with time
In order to maintain herd immunity
We should be continuing to vaccinate before 2022 flu/cold season
In order to avoid another catastrophic spike

Science.

They couldn't even get it for healthcare workers

Plus NYC need that tourist $$$

i understand your stance though.

>At this point the requirement is meaningless. People that got
>fully vaxxed a year ago are no longer protected per science.

Depends what you mean by protected. People who got fully vaxxed a year ago still retain considerable protection against severity/death, even if their protection against transmission wanes considerably. But the vaccines have proven to be leaky anyway.

The boosters haven't performed all that well against the new variants/subvariants - so it makes sense for people to do a cost/benefit analysis - particularly if you're younger/less vulnerable.

Older/vulnerable people should definitely get boosted, but where's the data to justify boosters for younger, fully vaccinated people? *Especially* those of whom have had "breakthrough" infections, which is a very large number by now.



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for athletes and entertainers.

https://twitter.com/ShamsCharania/status/1506760768787652609

literally what he said he *wouldnt* do just *yesterday*.

https://twitter.com/SportsCenter/status/1506341349431422979

this dude is a mess.

Beyond ridiculous to carve out a specific exemption for entertainers and athletes, but still have city employees not have their jobs. That's assuming of course Eric Adams still plans to enforce keeping the city employees he fired barred from employment. The only problem with any law suit of course is that the funds will come from the city's tax rolls, which will be unfortunate.

And just to be clear, I'm not an anti-vaxxed or a COVID-19 denier. The inconsistency behind the principles mandates is frustrating to me.

None of this stuff has mattered one iota. People who are vulnerable should take precautions just like every other situation. The fact the the same people making the rules consistently broke them tells you all you need to know..

Rules for thee... not for me..


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if and how Eric Adams will address the fired city employees when he officially orders for the exemption today.

they just closed the loophole for those that aren't coming from out of state. That loophole was dumb and never should have existed honestly.

This loophole closure really has nothing to do with employees that lost their job/

that exemption was where the goofy inconsistency was.

the mayor just created another exemption (or expanded the initial one) to cover the in state athletes too.

other public/private employees are still subject to the mandate.

if they did actually close a loophole then they would have un-exempted out of state athletes so that they couldnt play games in the state too (like toronto).

They purposely exempted out of state performers...which unfairly and unreasonably affected in state performers. Now they are exempting in state performers to be consistent.

He wouldn't play.

But he's not, so he will.

Part of his argument was "i'm standing up for regular people impacted by the mandate." This would prove he was full of shit the entire time.

he did his part.


The rest is on Ernie, not Kyrie.

that’s what he did

I think he’s just a basketball player

and if Kyrie plays games in Brooklyn while those fired city employees stay at home then he's a complete fraud.

I can laugh off the flat earth stuff, but this would be even more hypocritical than Aaron Rodgers bitching about not having weapons then taking a payday so large it forces the team to ship off his best weapon. I made the Rodgers comparison because I was trying to think of another narcissist fake activist asshole athlete.

yall doing way too much

I know yall mad he stuck to his guns and won but demanding he sits out for city employees is goofy.

he lost money
is sitting in the 8th seed
and made harden leave

i'm confident about 2 of the 3.

and now he is able to play home games without being vaxxed

bit you knew this already.. lol

lol smh

because you aren't losing anymore doesn't mean you won.

the man didn’t want to get vaxxed and now he gets to play home games again

be mad if you want to.. lol

You are saying he won, but he lost like 20 million. Nobody thought he wasnt going to ever play basketball again over this shit.

He wpund up missing out on 50 games this year despite being healthy...notsure how that is a win

and the mandate wouldn’t be lifted..

He lost $20 mill but he didn’t cave under the pressure to get vaxxed to play ball.

He won.. and now he is well rested and ready for the playoffs.. just has to avoid a Toronto series and he’s straight.

You were confident Adams wouldn’t lift the mandate too. So I get why you feel the way you do.

You still need to be vaccinated to work in new york unless you are a performer.

Ive been saying all through this post that they should close the 'loophole' that only applies to ny performers so they get the same exemption as out of state performers

Which is all irrelevant from kyrie getting to claim a W for playing in less the than half the games and losing 20 mil.

Now youre claiming its great bc hes rested. Lol

and yes, he won because he was able to get an exemption and didn’t have to het vaxxed

and he is still filthy rich and primed for the playoffs.

>He won.. and now he is well rested and ready for the playoffs.. just has to avoid a Toronto series and he’s straight.

because I'm not among the so called voiceless, but I have a feeling Kyrie will get even more support from the anti-vax COVID denier crowd since he was able to get 'big government' to cower to his self-indulgent needs and desires.

It would be morbidly funny if the Brooklyn Nets gained some fans from that ilk. I could seriously see that happening, especially since folks were protesting for Kyrie in front of Barclays in the past.

link: https://gothamist.com/news/adams-draws-union-fire-over-vaccine-carveout-for-major-league-players-performers

swipe:

Adams draws union fire over vaccine carveout for major league players, performers
BY GWYNNE HOGAN
PUBLISHED MARCH 24, 2022 AT 2:26 P.M.

New York City Mayor Eric Adams is lifting a vaccine mandate for professional athletes and performers, he announced Thursday, drawing ire from public sector unions whose members were fired after not getting their shots.

The new rules, first reported by Politico, will allow unvaccinated Mets and Yankees players back onto the field ahead of opening day on April 7 — including slugger Aaron Judge, who has dodged questions about his vaccination status. It also means Brooklyn Nets star Kyrie Irving, who was barred from playing home games due to the city mandate, could be back on the court at Barclays Center. The announcement Thursday continues Adams’ push to lift pandemic restrictions as a way of boosting the city’s economic engine.

“Today, the decision we’re making, we’re not making it loosely, haphazardly,” Adams said at a press conference at CitiField in Queens. “We’re not doing it because there are pressures to do it. We’re doing it because the city has to function.”

Last year, former Mayor Bill de Blasio and his health officials issued a series of separate orders which, over time, escalated the vaccination requirements for public employees, then patrons of indoor businesses like sports fans and, ultimately in December, all private employees. Separately at the end of 2021, Gov. Kathy Hochul also released a vaccine-or-mask mandate for indoor spaces.

Hochul rolled back her restrictions in early March as the wave of omicron infections started to subside, and Adams began doing the same shortly afterward. He removed rules for both schools and business patrons in early March — but left the workplace vaccine mandates in place for both public and private employees.

That meant unvaccinated players like Irving were still barred from playing on their home courts while out-of-town opponents could participate without their shots. Irving said last October that he objected to people “losing jobs to mandates" and said he was "standing with all those that believe what is right."

Officials Thursday said the new policy ends a confusing loophole in the vaccine rules.

But unions representing public workers who faced suspensions and terminations over the vaccine mandate for city employees quickly decried Adams’ decision as hypocritical. An estimated 1,430 city workers have been fired for failing to get their COVID shots, according to City Hall.

“We have been suing the city for months over its arbitrary and capricious vaccine mandate,” said Pat Lynch, the head of the Police Benevolent Association, the union that represents NYPD officers, in a statement Thursday. “While celebrities were in lockdown, New York City police officers were on the street throughout the pandemic working without adequate PPE and in many cases contracting and recovering from COVID themselves. They don’t deserve to be treated like second-class citizens now.”

The head of the city's largest public sector union demanded that members who were terminated over the vaccine mandate be reinstated.

“These are the same essential workers who kept the City going during the height of the pandemic," said Henry Garrido, the executive director of DC 37, in a statement. "They deserve the respect and dignity of having their jobs back. They deserve to be treated equally to their private sector counterparts. We demand that those who lost their job over the mandate be reinstated.”

The city's teachers union likewise accused Adams of a double standard for "people of influence" and in a statement said it was "ready to discuss how exceptions could be applied to city workers."

Adams has promised a slow but steady rollback of restrictions if COVID-19 rates continue to improve, though on Thursday he said he was not yet considering rehiring terminated workers. This week, he pledged to lift mandatory mask wearing in schools for kids under 5 if local risk levels remain low. Federal health officials said Wednesday they were tracking a small uptick in cases in New York City as well as a rise in COVID-19 hospitalizations in New England. Both are due, they said, to the BA.2 subvariant of omicron.

Thursday’s announcement is a reversal from the mayor’s position just last week, when he said he wouldn’t be rushed to shift precautions to cater to any sports season.

Adams denied succumbing to pressure from lobbyists on the issue at Thursday’s press conference — city lobbying records showed former City Council Speaker Corey Johnson had been paid $18,000 by Brooklyn Nets attorney Jeffrey Gewirtz, to influence the mayor’s health care policy.

as soon as baseball players made some noise that shit changed quick af.

They need to rehire those city workers they fired.

Bc you know its still in effect

>as soon as baseball players made some noise that shit changed
>quick af.
>
>They need to rehire those city workers they fired.

in my “hands on hips” stance.. lol.

81 games x (X amount of baseball salaries + lost revenue at gates) = EXEMPTION!!!

link: https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/news/2022/03/25/adams-defends-athlete-vaccine-exemption-amid-backlash

swipe:

'No double standard': Adams defends athlete vaccine exemption amid backlash
By Maya Rajamani New York City
PUBLISHED 1:20 PM ET Mar. 25, 2022

NEW YORK — Mayor Eric Adams on Friday faced mounting pressure from critics of his decision to lift the city’s vaccine mandate for local pro athletes and performers, with a top health adviser to his predecessor calling it a move that would “threaten the validity” of the five boroughs’ public health messaging.

Adams was met with widespread criticism on Thursday after he announced an exemption that will allow unvaccinated city athletes — including Brooklyn Nets star Kyrie Irving — to play in home games, despite the fact that the city’s public and private-sector mandates for other workers are still in place.

Asked by a reporter about the perceived “double standard” at a news briefing Friday morning, however, the mayor doubled down.

“No double standard. I made a decision based on the information that I received from my health team. And I have the obligation to make those decisions on how I’m going to move my city forward,” Adams responded. “So you may consider this a double standard. I consider it an analysis that I made, and I’m comfortable with my decision.”

Among the mayor’s immediate critics on Thursday was City Council Speaker Adrienne Adams, who said the exemption “sends the wrong message that higher-paid workers are being valued as more important than our devoted civil servants.”

The mayor on Friday said he and the Council Speaker would not always see eye to eye on policy decisions.

“There are things the City Council speaker is going to do I’m going to disagree with, but she has a role as a City Council . I have the role as the mayor,” he said.

He also defended his decision to speak with former City Council Speaker Corey Johnson, whom the Nets retained as a lobbyist in their bid to convince the city to roll back its mandate for athletes.

“Corey reached out, clearly stated he was speaking on behalf of the Nets when he reached out. I received calls from people who were against and for. That happens in the city,” Adams said. “I said, ‘Corey, like any other person, I’m going based on what my doctors stated.’”

The rule Adams lifted, which fell under former Mayor Bill de Blasio's private-sector vaccine mandate, barred unvaccinated New York City-based pro athletes and performers from playing and performing in city venues. Explaining his decision Thursday, Adams argued that the policy was “unfair,” given that out-of-town athletes and performers were never required to be vaccinated to play and perform in New York.

“This carve out already existed. It was unfair to New Yorkers,” he said Thursday. “It stated, ‘If you come to our city, we’re going to treat you different than what we would treat New Yorkers.’”

But during an appearance on “Mornings On 1” Friday morning, Dr. Jay Varma, an epidemiologist who served as de Blasio’s senior adviser for public health, argued that Adams’ decision would “threaten the validity” of the five boroughs’ public health messaging, adding that it “threatens the legality of the rule.”

“One of the reasons this rule was valid, and was going to be held up by the courts, is because it applied to everybody. And there weren’t any exemptions,” Varma said. “And one of the things I learned, you know, working very closely with city lawyers, is that the best way to make sure that a public health rule gets held up by the courts is to make sure it’s universal.”

“The second issue is the message it sends, right? You know, part of the way that we fight against this disease, which continues to threaten us, is by us feeling like we’re all in together,” he added. “And if there are certain people who get exemptions for certain reasons that don’t have anything to do with public health, it starts to threaten the validity of our message that we’re sending to everybody.”

Professional athletes, Varma maintained, should be subject to the same “burdens and responsibilities” as other New Yorkers.

“Making a decision that 95% of adult New Yorkers have made, which is to get vaccinated, is a really small price to pay,” he said. “Especially when these athletes, they had to get vaccinated to play in high school. They had to get vaccinated in college, to play ball, too.”

In a statement provided to NY1 after Varma’s appearance, Adams’ press secretary, Fabien Levy, said the city’s low COVID-19 numbers meant it could “take additional steps towards a return to normalcy.”

“Mayor Adams has been peeling back restrictions, layer by layer, and yesterday’s announcement was about fixing a double standard that was created before he took office and that held New York performers and athletes to a different standard than their out of town counterparts,” Levy said. “This is about leveling the playing field and ensuring our local businesses and independent venues are not unfairly penalized any longer.”

“Now the same rules apply to performers, whether they are from New York, New Mexico or New Zealand,” Levy added.

The Mets, Spankees, and Nets will play on. The pigs gonna have to squeal about it with their bitchasses.

I’m down with that idea….

But also this asswipe flipped the script when lobbyist money dropped and there’s receipts for that.

I hope they all burn

but they aren't the only ones that are beefing with Eric Adams over this. It's unfortunate that this article posed the situation as if that were the case.

Also, I could be mistaken, but no one from the NYPD was actually fired as result of the vaccination mandate. I believe the majority of the workers that Adams canned were from the Department of Education. If someone can correct me on this, I'd greatly appreciate it.

The worst kind of bureaucrat is the one who knowingly makes a wrong decision then revels in being defensive. Like W defending Iraq long after it made sense or Obama now who blames everyone but himself for not advancing his agenda. Most politicians are ignorant pricks and Adams is no exception.

>The worst kind of bureaucrat is the one who knowingly makes a
>wrong decision then revels in being defensive. Like W
>defending Iraq long after it made sense or Obama now who
>blames everyone but himself for not advancing his agenda.
>Most politicians are ignorant pricks and Adams is no
>exception.

Assholes galore lol

*wrong spot*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NMjLTbMdapA

lol @ complaining about a back to back after sitting out 85% of the season


this dude just does not get it

when he was bitching about playing 40 mins on the back to back.

…with Kev Sean (Marks) and Joe (Tsai))…”

w no mention of Nash lol

>when he was bitching about playing 40 mins on the back to
>back.

i know them people like 'kyrie just show up and hoop damn'.

and no one died... shocking... It's a modern day miracle...


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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home

Science.

Like I said, removing mandates…good luck getting compliance in the future if necessary

Is the earth flat in your world?

I feel so sorry for Nets fans , they think a title is within reach but it’s light years away


https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/33812380/why-kevin-durant-kyrie-irving-relationship-fuel-undermine-brooklyn-nets-future

It's easy to forget where the Brooklyn Nets were when they made the surprising pivot in mid-December to allow Kyrie Irving to be a part-time player instead of a no-time player.

They had a 21-9 record, were fresh off an impressive win against the Philadelphia 76ers that Kevin Durant completed with a dagger jumper over Joel Embiid that was followed by him gesturing toward players on the visitors' bench that they should go home. Brooklyn was in first place, three games clear, with Durant and James Harden locking in All-Star nods with their play.

But when Irving returned to the team, the mood changed. Some of it was bad luck -- just then the winter COVID wave affected the Nets, forcing them to shut down. Then Durant missed 20 games with a knee injury. Then Irving's relationship with Harden collapsed and contributed to Harden asking to be traded.

"I think it was just really heavy emotionally this season," Irving said after the Nets were swept out of the first round of the playoffs by the Boston Celtics on Monday.

"We all felt it. I felt like I was letting the team down at a point where I wasn't able to play. We were trying to exercise every option for me to play, but I never wanted it to just be about me. And I think it became a distraction at times.”

For his part, Goran Dragic, who didn't join the team until late February said: "Every day there was something different, something difficult."

Now consider what coach Steve Nash said on Dec. 16 after the win over Philly, the night before the Nets announced they'd changed their mind about letting Irving play part-time.

"The spirit has been outstanding," Nash said then. "These guys are playing for one another, playing the right way and sticking with it."

Then consider what general manager Sean Marks said on Oct. 12 when he drew a line regarding Irving's playing status.

"We will not permit any member of our team to participate with part-time availability," Marks said. "It is imperative that we continue to build chemistry as a team and remain true to our long-established values of togetherness and sacrifice. Our championship goals for the season have not changed, and to achieve these goals each member of our organization must pull in the same direction."

The Nets' failures this season go deeper than Irving's situation and the New York City laws that forced him to the sideline. Add on the fact that Ben Simmons, acquired for Harden, never played.

But Irving, the captivating uber-talented guard, simply hasn't been available or able to deliver the leadership or sustained play the Nets envisioned when they turned the franchise over to him and Durant in 2019. And it has been a central factor in what has now been a pile of disappointing seasons.

And turning it over to them is exactly what the Nets have done. Irving has made that clear with his actions and, notably, his words. Shortly after Nash was hired in September 2020, Irving famously said: "I don't really see us having a head coach. You know what I mean? KD could be a head coach. I could be a head coach."

Then again on Monday night, Irving laid bare how he and Durant work with team management: "When I say I'm here with Kev, I think that really entails us managing this franchise together, alongside Joe and Sean, just our group of family members in our locker room, in our organization."

That isn't aspirational from Irving, it's literal. And it helps explain how Marks could make the comments he did in October and then totally change his stance in December, when he gathered player input all while the team was performing well.

We arrived at this decision with the full support of our players and after careful consideration of our current circumstances" Marks said in a Dec. 17 statement. "We believe that the addition of Kyrie will not only make us a better team but allow us to more optimally balance the physical demand on the entire roster."

Which brings the Nets to the next order of business: Irving's contract. The 30-year-old guard can opt out of his contract in June and he expects to. Irving, it seems, has his plans worked out.

"In terms of my extension I don't really plan on going anywhere," he said Monday. "This is added motivation for our franchise to be at the top of the league for the next few years. I'm just looking forward to the summer and just building with our guys here."

Irving can ask for a five-year contract up to $248 million. There have been some questions in the league as to whether the Nets will try to get concessions from him, such as agreeing to a four-year deal that would align with Durant's current contract and be worth in the $200-million range.

Or, whether Brooklyn could try to protect itself with salary tied to games played; Irving has averaged 55 games per season over his 11-year career. In each of the past two seasons, Irving stepped away from the team for non-injury reasons. In 2020-21, he took an unauthorized leave of absence and missed seven games; and this season it was due to his decision not to get vaccinated.

But for the past three years the concessions between Irving and the team have consistently gone in one direction -- a product of Irving securing Durant's commitment to play with him and bring him to Brooklyn.

Durant has shown no signs of wavering in his support of Irving. Last summer, Durant doubled down, signing a four-year, $198 million extension, bypassing free agency and a chance to leave this year. He backed Irving's desire to return as a part-time player this season, then supported a trade of Harden in February after his co-stars' relationship deteriorated.

The partnership shows no signs of weakening. Durant backed Irving again after Monday's loss in an interview with Yahoo! Sports.

"I would love for him to play more. Life is way more important to me than that. I can't be pissed off. I can't end the friendship based on something like that," Durant told Yahoo!. "Our friendship is based off who we are as human beings. The basketball adds to it. If we don't get along on the basketball court, we can easily talk it out as friends."

But even when Irving has played, it hasn't led to wins.

After Durant's injury, the Nets still had two superstars, but the team was just 2-4 with just Irving and Harden, their relationship cratering during a West Coast trip in February that proved to be the last straw before Harden asked to be traded. When Durant and Irving played together, the Nets went 10-10, including the gutting playoff sweep to the Celtics.

Naturally, the Nets should improve if Simmons is able to play next season and Joe Harris, a key role player who played 14 games due to two ankle surgeries, returns strong. A year from now, the narrative of this season could be repositioned as a learning experience and motivational tool. Giving Irving a massive extension deep into his 30s and assuring Durant sticks around through the rest of his prime might turn out to be a prudent investment.

That's certainly how Durant and Irving are looking at it

"Everybody in the organization knows what we went through. So no time to feel regret or be too pissed off. It's about how we can find solutions to get better, proactive, as an organization to get better," Durant said.

"Didn't necessarily play as well as I would have liked," Irving said. "But now we just look for the future as a team and what we can accomplish for the next few years and I get excited about that."

In the end, it seems, what Durant and Irving think is the only thing that matters.

even after all we've seen him do and heard him say, it's still remarkable just how delusional he is

But given that the Nets traded away those seven draft picks for Harden, the Nets are pretty much locked in with having to depend on Durant, Kyrie, and Simmons to take the franchise to the promised land.

That is unless the front office wants to abandon ship from the win now mode and is willing to break the whole team apart now to get has high a trade value those three will get via trades, which I can't ever see happening, at least not within the immediate present.

https://streamable.com/dmub8h

quality LOLs

Vicious

Ben’s blinking…

All trending up since the mask mandate was removed
Welcome to your summer 2022 surge
Seems like a big sacrifice for a guy that doesn't prioritize basketball

LA trying to reinstall the mandate
Good luck with that
Thanks Kyrie.