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2744840, Penny wins again- nabs #1 recruit Jalen Duren
Posted by Castro, Fri Aug-06-21 08:56 PM
Let's see what the NCAA cooks up this time to fuck up Penny's MO:


Memphis basketball has won the Jalen Duren sweepstakes.

The 6-foot-10, 230-pound center announced his verbal commitment to the Tigers on Friday, drastically altering the team's outlook for the 2021-22 season. Duren, who also made his reclassification plans official, has chosen to play for Penny Hardaway at Memphis over reportedly lucrative offers from the G League and Australian NBL, as well as offers from Kentucky and Miami.

By securing a pledge from Duren, the Tigers' 2021 recruiting class elevates from 15th in the country to No. 5. It could rise further still if Emoni Bates, who has Memphis included on his list of four finalists, chooses to join Duren.

Duren, whose high school career began at Roman Catholic in Philadelphia, spent last season at Montverde (Florida) where he ascended to become the top-ranked recruit in the country, recently leapfrogging Emoni Bates, who is also considering playing for Memphis (along with Oregon, Michigan State and the G League).

A true post player who has already drawn comparisons to the Heat's Bam Adebayo and the Kings' Marvin Bagley III, Duren helped lead Montverde to the title at GEICO Nationals in April. He scored nine points and grabbed nine rebounds in the championship game against Memphis native and Tennessee signee Kennedy Chandler's Sunrise Christian squad.

Duren also recently played a pivotal role in leading Team Final to the Peach Jam title in July. During the truncated Nike EYBL session (15 games), he averaged 13.7 points, 8.7 rebounds, 2.3 blocks and 1.9 assists per game, while shooting 54.1% from the field, while sharing the load with Duke commit Dariq Whitehead. In the championship game at Peach Jam, Duren put up 17 points, 10 rebounds and three assists.

Duren joins a 2021 signing class that includes wings Josh Minott and John Camden, guard Jonathan Lawson and center Sam Onu. That class was ranked 15th in the nation, according to 247 Sports, prior to Duren's commitment.

Memphis returns a strong core – guards Landers Nolley II (last season's leading scorer), Lester Quinones, Alex Lomax and forward DeAndre Williams – that helped the team win the National Invitation Tournament.

Reach sports writer Jason Munz at jason.munz@commercialappeal.com or on Twitter @munzly.
2745480, hating on Penny already...
Posted by Castro, Thu Aug-26-21 02:56 PM

James Johns has what Penny Hardaway wants: a championship coaching Emoni Bates and Jalen Duren on the same team.

Johns was the head coach of the Team Final AAU team that won both the Southern Jamfest in Hampton, Va., in May, and the prestigious Nike NKE -1.8% Peach Jam in North Augusta, S.C. in July.

The 6-foot-9 Bates played with the 6-10 Duren on the team that won the Southern Jamfest, but did not play with Team Final at the Peach Jam because he was back with his father’s Bates Fundamental team, although Bates did support his former teammates by sitting behind the bench.

Now that both Duren and Bates have reclassified and committed to Memphis for the 2021-22 college basketball season — something I wrote three weeks ago in this space was expected — Johns believes “the sky’s the limit” for Hardaway’s team, which will be seeking much bigger titles than those found on the grassroots circuit.

“I think Jalen and Emoni will be great together,” said Johns, now an assistant coach at Fairfield University. “They already have great chemistry on the floor. A real friendship built off the floor. There’s a trust level between them, both understanding the microscope they are under and what they went through to get to this point.

“I know they both feel like this is an opportunity to build off the success they had this summer and take it to a whole other level with the preparation they will get on the college level. I’m excited to see them take this journey together.

Memphis fans are understandably fired up — and the college basketball world at large is on notice. Memphis native Gary Parrish of CBSSports.com now has the Tigers ranked No. 7 in his preseason rankings.

And while the hype appears justified considering Memphis now has the No. 1-ranked recruiting class for the second time in three years, per 247Sports.com, it’s hard, very hard, to win an NCAA championship or even to get to a Final Four. There are several reasons to pump the brakes on the idea that Memphis will now win a championship — or even be a Final Four participant — this season.

In the one-and-done era dating back a little more than a decade, only two teams have relied primarily on one-and-done players and won an NCAA championship: the Anthony Davis/Michael Kidd-Gilchrist Kentucky team of 2012, and the Jahlil Okafor/Justice Winslow/Tyus Jones Duke team of 2015.

It’s hard to win at the highest levels with freshmen. Just ask John Calipari or Coach K. Last year neither Kentucky nor Duke, which again relied on a whole bunch of talented freshmen, made the NCAA Tournament.

Other examples:

**Oklahoma State with eventual No. 1 pick Cade Cunningham? They lost in the second round in March.

**Duke’s heralded 2019 team with uber-talented freshmen Zion Williamson, R.J. Barrett and Cam Reddish? They lost in the Elite Eight.

**Former No. 1 picks Anthony Edwards (Georgia), Markelle Fultz (Washington) and Ben Simmons (LSU)? They never even played in the NCAA Tournament. (The NCAA Tournament was canceled by the pandemic in 2020, but Edwards and Georgia weren’t going that year.)

The 2012 Kentucky and 2015 Duke teams both had veterans who complemented their super-frosh, and the good news for Memphis is that they return veterans DeAndre Williams, Landers Nolley and Lester Quinones while adding Miami transfer Earl Timberlake.

In three seasons coaching at his former school, Hardaway is 63-32 (.663) with zero NCAA Tournament appearances. He did lead the Tigers to the NIT championship last spring.

Safe to say, if Hardaway doesn’t lead a Memphis team with Emoni Bates and Jalen Duren — and Larry Brown, Rasheed Wallace and Cody Toppert on staff — to the NCAA Tournament in 2022, there will be hell to pay.

He did agree to a 5-year, $12.25M extension in December, and then said thanks but no thanks to the Orlando Magic, but it’s hard to imagine what life will be like for Hardaway in Memphis if he somehow doesn’t get this team to the Big Dance — and make some kind of run.

Both Duren and Bates, after all, are considered top-5 NBA Draft picks in 2022 and ‘23, respectively, and NBA scouts will be all over this team this season.

“Might as well get an apartment there,” one NBA Director of Scouting said.

The pressure will be real for Bates, Duren, Hardaway and the rest of the Tigers, but Penny told me two years ago when he had a similar blockbuster class featuring James Wiseman and Precious Achiuwa that he wanted the challenge.

“I think that we want the pressure,” Hardaway said then. “...The pressure of having really good players and then putting that on us, and say, hey, you need to get here, we understand what that means, and we want that. That means that you have a great team and you have the opportunity to win a national championship when they start putting that type of pressure on you.”

As mentioned, no team that has relied primarly on one-and-dones has won the title since 2015.

Since then, older veteran teams like Baylor (2021), Virginia (2019), Villanova (2018 and ‘16) and North Carolina (2017) have dominated.

This year’s consensus No. 1 team is Gonzaga, which actually brings in two key freshmen in projected No. 1 pick Chet Holmgren and Hunter Sallis, but also returns Drew Timme and Andrew Nembhard from last year’s national runner-up.

Schools like UCLA, Villanova and Michigan return experienced cores, while Texas and Kansas (and the whole Big 12) bolstered their rosters via the transfer market. Keep in mind that this year will be unique in that the NCAA allowed fifth-year players to return following the pandemic, so a school like Villanova brings back both Collin Gillespie and Jermaine Samuels.

On a night in and night out basis, and certainly in the NCAA Tournament, Hardaway and the Tigers will be facing older, experienced teams with players who are in their early-to-mid 20s. Bates turns 18 in January, and Duren 18 in November.

Nothing will be guaranteed for the Tigers, but if you’re Penny Hardaway, you have to like your team and your chances.
2745481, hating? lol
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Aug-26-21 02:58 PM
2745483, Please point out the hate in that article, lol.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Aug-26-21 04:05 PM
I thought that was a remarkably fair write-up of the upside and downside of this team. It's honestly a lot more fair than it could've been-- left out all of the questions generated about Bates over the last year plus, tbh.