You can say 5 Ds and 2 DMs, but Shaw gets so involved in attack, and Philips makes so many runs and passes up the field, that's it's a bit disingenuous to say that it's a super-defensive approach. I mean, in attack it's a 3-2-5, right, with one of the 2 DMs way up around the opponent's box. That's hardly negative.

So y'all wanted a 4213/4231 or whatever? Why?