https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnK9oeBI9G4

1. Harden - when his squad is healthy can anybody beat them?

2. Luka - dude has made a mockery of the Clippers in the first 2 games...

3. Trae - Ice Trae almost took 2 in Garden what can he do back in the Dirty South?

4. Steph - caught fire and was otherworldly in the second half of the season had some people wanting him in the MVP convo despite his team's 8th place finish...

5. Russ - the triple-double king, may be injured now and had to deal with other bs but has been a force of nature...

6. Dame - started off the season hot and had some calling for him to get MVP votes, cooled somewhat in the 2nd half and people seemed to forget about him but has looked strong in the playoffs...

7. CP3 - took a the Suns from out of the playoffs to the 2nd best record in the NBA that had calls for him in the MVP convo, recent shoulder injury has made things look tough for him in the playoffs...

8. Ben - a guy that can actually guard all 5 positions, in some DPOY convos, people like to harp on his non-shooting but he effects the game in so many other ways...

9. Ja - dropped 47 last night in a loss, already making some noise in the playoffs at 21 years old after narrowly missing the playoffs last year...

10. Jrue - doesn't get the hype as some of the others but impacts the game on both ends and he might help his team make a deep run this year...

Stop lying.

>Stop lying.

who else?

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnK9oeBI9G4
>
>1. Harden - when his squad is healthy can anybody beat them?
Combo guard.

>2. Luka - dude has made a mockery of the Clippers in the first
>2 games...

Point forward.
>3. Trae - Ice Trae almost took 2 in Garden what can he do back
>in the Dirty South?

Number 4.
>4. Steph - caught fire and was otherworldly in the second half
>of the season had some people wanting him in the MVP convo
>despite his team's 8th place finish...

Number 1.
>5. Russ - the triple-double king, may be injured now and had
>to deal with other bs but has been a force of nature...

Number 5.
>6. Dame - started off the season hot and had some calling for
>him to get MVP votes, cooled somewhat in the 2nd half and
>people seemed to forget about him but has looked strong in the
>playoffs...

Number 2.
>7. CP3 - took a the Suns from out of the playoffs to the 2nd
>best record in the NBA that had calls for him in the MVP
>convo, recent shoulder injury has made things look tough for
>him in the playoffs...

Number 3.
>8. Ben - a guy that can actually guard all 5 positions, in
>some DPOY convos, people like to harp on his non-shooting but
>he effects the game in so many other ways...

Point Forward.
>9. Ja - dropped 47 last night in a loss, already making some
>noise in the playoffs at 21 years old after narrowly missing
>the playoffs last year...

Number 6.
>10. Jrue - doesn't get the hype as some of the others but
>impacts the game on both ends and he might help his team make
>a deep run this year...

Combo guard.

Is it just because he's got someone else out there making more plays for others when he shares the floor with Harden? Because I'd think that'd also create the argument that Steph doesn't belong on this list either.

Kyrie had a 50-40-90 season while putting up 6 dimes a game. I think there's a good chance he makes an All-NBA team. So the only reason to leave him off this list would be the "he's not a PG" argument. Which I'm genuinely open to hearing arguments against... I'm interested more than anything else.

Tre is nice and the future but head to head if you think Steph is worse I dunno what to tel you

is irrelevant.

Steph is probably on his 3rd or 4th bottle of Casamigos

His inclusion on these lists for putting up meaningless triple doubles is hilarious


>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnK9oeBI9G4
>
>1. Harden - when his squad is healthy can anybody beat them?
>
>2. Luka - dude has made a mockery of the Clippers in the first
>2 games...
>
>3. Trae - Ice Trae almost took 2 in Garden what can he do back
>in the Dirty South?
>
>4. Steph - caught fire and was otherworldly in the second half
>of the season had some people wanting him in the MVP convo
>despite his team's 8th place finish...
>
>5. Russ - the triple-double king, may be injured now and had
>to deal with other bs but has been a force of nature...
>
>6. Dame - started off the season hot and had some calling for
>him to get MVP votes, cooled somewhat in the 2nd half and
>people seemed to forget about him but has looked strong in the
>playoffs...
>
>7. CP3 - took a the Suns from out of the playoffs to the 2nd
>best record in the NBA that had calls for him in the MVP
>convo, recent shoulder injury has made things look tough for
>him in the playoffs...
>
>8. Ben - a guy that can actually guard all 5 positions, in
>some DPOY convos, people like to harp on his non-shooting but
>he effects the game in so many other ways...
>
>9. Ja - dropped 47 last night in a loss, already making some
>noise in the playoffs at 21 years old after narrowly missing
>the playoffs last year...
>
>10. Jrue - doesn't get the hype as some of the others but
>impacts the game on both ends and he might help his team make
>a deep run this year...

https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trp_dbl_career.html

...is the reason why no star players want to play alongside him. Bradley Beal will be sick of his antics by next season.

>https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trp_dbl_career.html

only player in the NBA to attempt over 2,000 three-point attempts and shoot less than 31% on those attempts, making him arguably the worst volume shooter in the league.

>...is the reason why no star players want to play alongside
>him. Bradley Beal will be sick of his antics by next season.

https://www.slamonline.com/nba/bradley-beal-considers-russell-westbrook-the-best-teammate-hes-ever-had/

but please try to defend 10 points on 2-for-10 shooting in a playoff game lmfao

I’m all ears


>>...is the reason why no star players want to play alongside
>>him. Bradley Beal will be sick of his antics by next season.
>
>
>https://www.slamonline.com/nba/bradley-beal-considers-russell-westbrook-the-best-teammate-hes-ever-had/

but Westbrook still absolute dog shit in the playoffs .

And once the athleticism wanes , he’s gonna be even more useless to a contending playoff team.

be trying to ride Donovan Mitchell and Jordan Clarkson's coattails to relevancy.

Every single one of those guys has gotten BETTER after leaving your brick laying PG

edit watch Beal elevate his game once he goes to a team with a PG who cares about something other than his pre game outfit and grabbing meaningless boards

Lol Westbrook can’t even ride the coattails of superstars to playoff success

the should’ve went to Morant who’s already better than Conley ever was.

You rattled , and tried a lame diversionary tactic bc you’re unable to cope with the facts about Westbrook and inability to lead a team to playoff success.

Lmao a sub 500 playoff loser in the HOF.

Have a good evening

>You rattled , and tried a lame diversionary tactic bc
>you’re unable to cope with the facts about Westbrook and
>inability to lead a team to playoff success.
>
>Lmao a sub 500 playoff loser in the HOF.
>
>Have a good evening

I know Westbrook has been to the Finals has Conley?

He dropped 45 in a game that series and lost by 20 something , lol story of his career

Can’t wait to up that Russell Apology post after they get swept.

best record in the NBA you'll have something to crow about until then be quiet.

Russy Durant and Harden all FAILED TOGETHER.

Harden ain't done much more than Russ, just stat padded better and made one more round? Congrats. Most ppl here probably agree he slightly better, but cmon...

Durant was obviously always the best player out of them, and he needed to join one of the GOAT teams all time to get a different result.

PG always been a bum, as soon as he left Russ he getting his chest caved in back to back by Luka even though he got Top3 Kawhi next to him.


Meanwhile Beal is in playoffs for first time in 3-4 years? And says Russy best teammate he's ever had?


Ya'll dont gotta lie to bring Russy down a peg or two. He ain't GOAT PG but cmon...

for just being factual. Russ has not had playoff success. Literally no way to debate that. All the other shit, though. KD was an MVP and a 4 time scoring champ, with Russ. Harden was not the Harden we know in OKC…and he didn’t get any better since he left Houston. PG literally had the best season of his career, next to Russ and was 3rd in MVP voting, that season. Don’t like him or his game? Fine. Why just make up shit, though?

Fact is Russ has played with way more talent and has nothing to show for it except for beating Oscar Robertson’s record


>for just being factual. Russ has not had playoff success.
>Literally no way to debate that. All the other shit, though.
> KD was an MVP and a 4 time scoring champ, with Russ.

and choked away a 3-1 lead with Russ.

He got better with Steph and Klay because the offense doesn’t get stale when they have the ball. KD knew that his game couldn’t evolve alongside Russ. The whole world knew it except.

Harden
>was not the Harden we know in OKC…and he didn’t get any
>better since he left Houston.

Harden is much better . Have you seen how he transformed his game upon arriving in Brooklyn? Do you think Russ is capable of changing his style that drastically to one that is more conducive to team wins ? Lol no. All he knows is run fast jump high scowl and lay bricks .


>PG literally had the best
>season of his career, next to Russ and was 3rd in MVP voting,
>that season.

Mac says he’s a bum. You say he’s elite . You two can figure it out .

Don’t like him or his game? Fine. Why just
>make up shit, though?

OKsports specializes in hyperbole . You know this

First, let me say I have no clue why you mentioned Conley in a reply to me. I’ve never so much as uttered his name in these discussions. I LOVE Mike Conley. Have said that countless times, through the years.

>Fact is Russ has played with way more talent and has nothing
>to show for it except for beating Oscar Robertson’s record

Agreed. Nothing to debate there. How many players do we know like this, though? Winning a chip is fucking hard. Also, I hardly think breaking a record, once thought unbreakable, should be a pejorative.
>
>> KD was an MVP and a 4 time scoring champ, with Russ.
>
>and choked away a 3-1 lead with Russ.
Game 6 of the WCF. KD shit the bed. I’ve watched it more times than is healthy.

>He got better with Steph and Klay because the offense
>doesn’t get stale when they have the ball. KD knew that his
>game couldn’t evolve alongside Russ. The whole world knew
>it except.
100%. GS had a better offensive system. One that revolved around having two of the greatest shooters the league has seen…and he eventually found that not fun, anymore.


>Harden is much better . Have you seen how he transformed his
>game upon arriving in Brooklyn?
Harden is not any better in Brooklyn, than he was when he left Houston. He plays a different role. He can’t dribble til there’s two seconds left on the clock and kick it out to PJ Tucker waiting in the corner, if he doesn’t shoot. I hear these announcers acting like he just learned to pass, last month and it’s crazy. James has ALWAYS been a very willing passer and damned good at it. Kyrie literally told him, he’s the PG, so that what he’s doing. The fuckin dude is incredible at basketball and he has been for some time.


Do you think Russ is capable
>of changing his style that drastically to one that is more
>conducive to team wins ? He did that in Houston. It was discussed by fans and analysts, alike.
>

>Mac says he’s a bum. You say he’s elite . You two can
>figure it out .
Nothing to figure out and please show me where I said he was elite. You said he got better after he left Russ and that’s patently false. 2018 in OKC, he was 3rd in MVP voting and had his best season of his career. That’s not even arguable. He hasn’t been nearly as good with the Clipper…next to Kawhi and a team built to take over LA. He shit the bed in the bubble and is about to get put out in the first round by Luka and Tim Hardaway’s son.

I have never once on these boards said Mike was better or HOF worthy. I have been a vocal critic of Westbrook as seen.

I just said he would have been an all star years ago if Memphis was in the East

You think Kyle Lowry make the all star team if he was in the west Lol?


>First, let me say I have no clue why you mentioned Conley in
>a reply to me. I’ve never so much as uttered his name in
>these discussions. I LOVE Mike Conley. Have said that
>countless times, through the years.


Fair enough. But truth used Nike Conley as some sort of way to bolster Russ accomplishments or lack thereof.

>>Fact is Russ has played with way more talent and has nothing
>>to show for it except for beating Oscar Robertson’s record


>Agreed. Nothing to debate there. How many players do we know
>like this, though? Winning a chip is fucking hard. Also, I
>hardly think breaking a record, once thought unbreakable,
>should be a pejorative.

The thing is I think Westbrook Can easily win a chip if he wasn’t so hell bent on filing the stat sheet to keep his numbers up . I guess it comes down to me thinking he’s an egregious stat padded and no one else seeing that . Fine .


>>> KD was an MVP and a 4 time scoring champ, with Russ.
>>
>>and choked away a 3-1 lead with Russ.
>Game 6 of the WCF. KD shit the bed. I’ve watched it more
>times than is healthy.
>
>>He got better with Steph and Klay because the offense
>>doesn’t get stale when they have the ball. KD knew that
>his
>>game couldn’t evolve alongside Russ. The whole world knew
>>it except.
>100%. GS had a better offensive system. One that revolved
>around having two of the greatest shooters the league has
>seen…and he eventually found that not fun, anymore.
>

>>Harden is much better . Have you seen how he transformed his
>>game upon arriving in Brooklyn?
>Harden is not any better in Brooklyn, than he was when he left
>Houston. He plays a different role. He can’t dribble til
>there’s two seconds left on the clock and kick it out to PJ
>Tucker waiting in the corner, if he doesn’t shoot. I hear
>these announcers acting like he just learned to pass, last
>month and it’s crazy. James has ALWAYS been a very willing
>passer and damned good at it. Kyrie literally told him,
>he’s the PG, so that what he’s doing. The fuckin dude is
>incredible at basketball and he has been for some time.


This is where I have to eat crow and maybe make an apology post to him. I thought he was a supremely gifted one dimensional player a la Gilbert arenas bc I hardly ever watched rockets games . Especially once I got beaten over the head w watching Dantonis “system” over and over . I never knew he was this multi talented and selfless, he’s been the engine to this Nets team .


>
>Do you think Russ is capable
>>of changing his style that drastically to one that is more
>>conducive to team wins ? He did that in Houston. It was
>discussed by fans and analysts, alike.

I didn’t see it .


>>Mac says he’s a bum. You say he’s elite . You two can
>>figure it out .
> Nothing to figure out and please show me where I said he was
>elite.

Edit my bad thought you were talking about WESTBROOK and not PG

I think PG was elite before the leg injury and very good after

Dude you and ThaTruth think Westbrook is better than ALLEN IVERSON. I guess thats what grind my gears . that means you think he’s elite . Just stop . Allen Iverson dragged Eric snow and them to the finals and never played with anyone nearly as good as what Russ had in his career . Enough is enough.



You said he got better after he left Russ and that’s
>patently false. 2018 in OKC, he was 3rd in MVP voting and had
>his best season of his career. That’s not even arguable.
>He hasn’t been nearly as good with the Clipper…next to
>Kawhi and a team built to take over LA. He shit the bed in
>the bubble and is about to get put out in the first round by
>Luka and Tim Hardaway’s son.

I think the problem with the clippers is Kahwi (in the locker room and off court ) but that’s a different discussion. Put PG on a team with a clear and vocal leader and I bet he thrives .
>

on the elite part, cuz I was discussing PG. If you look at that post…I never weighed in on Russ vs. Iverson. I posted there career numbers, with no comment. We could argue which was the shittier roster between that Philly one and the one Russ had the year he won MVP. Probably don’t are enough, though. I like them both. AI was a dawg. I honestly don’t even feel like the two of them are even a good comparison. Just one that people seem to make, a lot.

Dudes so stuck in agendas that they are lost in the sauce.

For example, comparing KD to Russ post KDs treasonous betrayal...how can you do it?

They play different positions.

KD went to a team that won 72 games and won a chip the year before. Just plug and play in the perfect system with the best 2 shooters in the league. His success there says nothing to me about Russ.

Russ stayed on the same sorry team. No shooters and garbage bigs, just rotating another solid guy next to him. As exciting as it is to see Russ and PG, or Russ and CP3, when Ray Felton or Steven Adams are your next option, you aint gonna get the same results as a team with Steph and Klay.


As soon as he left OKC...Wizards went from 25-47 to to 34-38 instantly, OKC from to 44-28 to 22-50...


Random questions to see where y'all really at with these PGs...


Do you think if Russ played with Bron during those Cleveland years they don't also win 1 vs GS? (replace Kyrie w/ Russ)

Do you think of Russ was on GS with Klay KD Dray they don't win a few ships? (replace Steph w/ Russ)

he went to Houston first.

You do remember that, right, and how that turned out?

He didn’t go from OKc to the wizards.

Lol

LOL my bad, totally forgot about that ... so the record difference between OKC and the Wiz is not fully accurate...

But now that I think about it that season together in Houston is proof that neither Harden or Russ is head and shoulders above the other....they both had a similar season and didn't accomplish shit, together....

Now Harden on GSEast and ya'll pretending like he way better again? I dunno...

if you have a shitty team and want to put fans in the stands, you get a guy like Westbrook

if you want to win PLAYOFF (c) Jim Mora voice games? you get an actual PG that can shoot 3s and hit their free throws.


>Do you think if Russ played with Bron during those Cleveland
>years they don't also win 1 vs GS? (replace Kyrie w/ Russ)

hahahahahaha

>Do you think of Russ was on GS with Klay KD Dray they don't
>win a few ships? (replace Steph w/ Russ)

hahahahaha x 2

But I’ve never seen him play bad...just needs to be healthy

1 Harden
People completely overlooked him in the MVP convo because he was a scratch to end the season
I don’t think I’ve ever been this impressed with a professional athlete’s humbleness
We all partied on fat harden, thought he’d be out at strip clubs during covid, etc...
He made the ultimate sacrifice for BKN to work and he was still elite
Salute
2 Steph
MVP
3 Dame
I think errybody rooting for dude at this point
4 CP3
Impressed with that turnaround in PHX
I know I’ve clowned CPPlea...but he did that this year
5 Luka
Almost made me look like an idiot for criticizing the preseason MVP chatter
Hopefully he commits in the offseason and might fulfill the prediction next year
6 Ben
No question on defense...none
I cannot understand him on offense at all
He took a personal challenge vs Gobert and dropped 42
But Neto holds him to 6pts in a playoff game...TF
7 Brogdon
Nothing but numbers ya bish
8 Ja
Would like to see him explore more of the playmaking ability that made him such a force in the NCAA
Obviously no questions about his ability to get buckets
Great players lift errybody’s game
9 Jrue
Da Damaja...nothing new to a Philly fan
10 Trae
F this guy
Really don’t like him...at all.

(no Donovan Mitchell on this list LOL?)

It's downright shameful now. His free throw shooting this series is 5/20 and his percentage overall has regressed the last 3 years.

Doc Rivers getting upset when a reporter asked if he should come off the floor last night was pointing out the obvious that everyone can see now...his defensive ability is amazing, but his offensive ineptitude is so bad it doesnt matter anymore.

does he not even practice shooting?

also lmao at Westbrick shooting 3/19 and 0/4 from 3. wizards are so lucky embiid got hurt.

dog shit. basura.



meanwhile...what winners do.

https://twitter.com/utahjazz/status/1399578289165856768

>(no Donovan Mitchell on this list LOL?)

If Donovan is a point guard what is he?

>meanwhile...what winners do.
>
>https://twitter.com/utahjazz/status/1399578289165856768

his free throw shooting is a joke too. don't get me started on how overrated/fragile he is.

>>(no Donovan Mitchell on this list LOL?)
>
>If Donovan is a point guard what is he?
>
>>meanwhile...what winners do.
>>
>>https://twitter.com/utahjazz/status/1399578289165856768
>
>

Legitimate issue...but you ain’t gotta lie Craig

WAS already had the lead in the 4th

Matter of fact...one of his FTs actually gave us the lead at one point

How did that cost us the game?

Big problem...but you’re lying.

Totally agree IRT Doc

He’s defended Ben to the end of the earth

Absolutely no excuse for Ben’s non-existent offense

BTW, that wasn’t just a reporter...it was Dei Lynum

...but Doc keeps making comments about people’s bball knowledge when they criticize Ben...

I have every confidence in Dei Lynum’s bball knowledge.

I could have worded it better but English is my 3rd language I’m working on it

At some point a game will come down to him TAKING let alone hitting a jump shot.

For the reason he should be much lower on this list


Maybe I’m old school but I think any top 10 PG to be able to defend AND shoot midrange jumpers and 3s at an effective rate , you know just be an all around player .


>Legitimate issue...but you ain’t gotta lie Craig
>
>WAS already had the lead in the 4th
>
>Matter of fact...one of his FTs actually gave us the lead at
>one point
>
>How did that cost us the game?
>
>Big problem...but you’re lying.
>
>Totally agree IRT Doc
>
>He’s defended Ben to the end of the earth
>
>Absolutely no excuse for Ben’s non-existent offense
>
>BTW, that wasn’t just a reporter...it was Dei Lynum
>
>...but Doc keeps making comments about people’s bball
>knowledge when they criticize Ben...
>
>I have every confidence in Dei Lynum’s bball knowledge.

It’s exhausting at this point

He is elite on defense and passing

Excellent rebounder

Really can’t knock those areas

But it’s a scorer’s league...and this dude is trying to be Anthony Mason

MFer, this ain’t back in the day.

I don’t even want him to shoot jumpers...just get FGAs

He lives within 15ft of the rim...just put it up.

pretty sure thats not an exaggeration.

really rooting for portland/dame to win this and make a run.

So you don’t actually watch basketball...?

Dame@6

...in what world...?

and Philadelphia lost by 3

Lol. You sure do love brick-laying PGs with hollow stats.



>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnK9oeBI9G4
>
>1. Harden - when his squad is healthy can anybody beat them?
>
>2. Luka - dude has made a mockery of the Clippers in the first
>2 games...
>
>3. Trae - Ice Trae almost took 2 in Garden what can he do back
>in the Dirty South?
>
>4. Steph - caught fire and was otherworldly in the second half
>of the season had some people wanting him in the MVP convo
>despite his team's 8th place finish...
>
>5. Russ - the triple-double king, may be injured now and had
>to deal with other bs but has been a force of nature...
>
>6. Dame - started off the season hot and had some calling for
>him to get MVP votes, cooled somewhat in the 2nd half and
>people seemed to forget about him but has looked strong in the
>playoffs...
>
>7. CP3 - took a the Suns from out of the playoffs to the 2nd
>best record in the NBA that had calls for him in the MVP
>convo, recent shoulder injury has made things look tough for
>him in the playoffs...
>
>8. Ben - a guy that can actually guard all 5 positions, in
>some DPOY convos, people like to harp on his non-shooting but
>he effects the game in so many other ways...
>
>9. Ja - dropped 47 last night in a loss, already making some
>noise in the playoffs at 21 years old after narrowly missing
>the playoffs last year...
>
>10. Jrue - doesn't get the hype as some of the others but
>impacts the game on both ends and he might help his team make
>a deep run this year...

statline so bad its not even worth mentioning.

remove this bum from your future lists if you want any shred of credibility.

being able to make jump shots, 3 pointers and free throws is important as an NBA point guard .

lol i cant believe i have to type that out for you.

He should genuinely shoot Rick Barry FTs.

scared to shoot. scared to handle the ball cause they gonna foul his brick laying ass. he should go into construction

couldnt trade him for a bag of dildos rn

He's setting records

>scared to shoot. scared to handle the ball cause they gonna
>foul his brick laying ass. he should go into construction
>
>couldnt trade him for a bag of dildos rn

edit, Lamelo 11 , and Zach Lavine at 13

but only a moron would deny his (visible) impact on the Jazz so have at it.

Ben Simmons would be right above a garbage can but below the recycling bin.

Luka wouldn't be so high

CP3 higher

Jrue good but not top 10 good

Have you heard of DaAron Fox? He's pretty damn good. Top 10 good.

Westbrook lolol, trash.

Lillard and Curry and Irving are better than Harden as PGs (Harden didnt even play a full season at PG, that experiment fizzled out)

(Healthy) Jamal Murray deserves to be on this list.


dont be bitter do better.