>to catalogue the long-term effects of this vax AND this
>virus.
>because both are largely unknown quantities in a lot of ways.

But one is immensely harmful and the other is literally designed to help against the harmful entity. They aren't equal and the fallacy here is you're trying to equate them.

>This vax is different than other vaxes BECAUSE the disease is
>so new and unknown. It's also the quickest developed Vax in
>human history, AND the 1st mRNA vax, AND the 1st to be so
>relentlessly privatized out the gate.

Yes, it's also the most studied in this short amount of time, the tech to create it has been around for 20 yrs or so and it was privatized to get all hands on deck for it's development BECUASE THERE'S A GLOBAL PANDEMIC GOING ON THAT'S KILLING MILLIONS.

>That's not to mention pfizer & j&j's record of medical
>malfeasance.

FDA approved Pfizer's vax...fast tracked it's review. Normally takes like 10-20 yrs but because there's so much evidence now based on the usage, was able to do so much faster. FDA. *Shrug*

>There are objectively several why reasons anyone could be
>skeptical of the way the US, in particular, has managed COVID
>& the vaccines.

While this might be true, the science is there to point toward effectiveness of the vaccine in a public health crisis. You literally put down liberal narratives but the administration that handled this pandemic in such a sh*tty way was overwhelmingly conservative. So your gripe should lie there.

>Miss me with the "guys like you" fuckshit, too.
>Engage the actual arguments presented and not whatever
>goofshit you're repeating from MSNBC.

>Re: other vaccines - I don't know why y'all keep mentioning
>them. People can be be skeptical of the COVID vaxxes, and be
>fine with vaccines in general (this is most people who are
>hesitant of the COVID vaxxes, btw)

It's literally dumb to let skepticism about a vaccine drive you to risk yours and others health vs a pandemic virus when there's evidence to the contrary staring you in your face. Empathy is seeing all the issues non-vaccinations are contributing to exponentially more than vaccination and deciding that, even though there's risk to getting the vaccine, there's currently LESS risk in it than contracting and spreading COVID which helps most of us.

>And no the premise isn't bullshit - the COVID vaxxes don't
>prevent infection, dont prevent the spread of the virus,
>appear to wear off after 6 months or so, appears to be less
>effective than regular antibodies, and have varying side
>effects on different people of varying levels of severity, and
>no one knows why. That's not to mention their efficacy in
>fighting variants, or even if they make the spread of certain
>variants more likely.

1) Most vaccines don't eliminate a risk, it decreases/minimizes it. It's a bullsh*t argument to expect the vaccine to prevent infection in the first place. That's speaking like a person who doesn't know how vaccines work.

2) Most vaccines don't prevents the spread of virus. They typically decrease the chances of spread. So again, speaking like a person who doesn't know how vaccines work.

3) Lots of vaccines wear off within 6-12 months. So again, speaking like a person who doesn't know how vaccines work.

4) There's actual research that states COVID anti-bodies wear off after about 3 months after contraction. So at that point, you can catch it again. Jonathan Issacs of the Magic said he's caught it TWICE. It's been in the US en mass for 18 months. And what's the point in bringing this up in the first place? COVID can kill/damage a person much more drastically than the vaccine can (as current data verifies). Are saying that people should be contracting COVID to fight it? Or that you'd feel much better with us injecting COVID based vaccines into people when the mortality rate with each variance is increasing and us not fully understanding a lot about this particular virus yet? We've had 20 yrs to study mRNA and less than 2 for this particular type of COVID strand (less for it's variants).

>For you, that level of risk is fine.
>
>For a LOT of people - literally MILLIONS of Americans - it's
>not.

Because they are making dumb choices. And it's ok to say, my fear is leading me to make a dumb choice.

>I get it. You don't have to.
>But it's their bodies.

No, it's not THEIR bodies. Not unless they work from home, home school their kids, take all precautions not to infect people (or be infected because they can cause mutations) and stay at home until they feel comfortable with the risk level of the solutions we are being provided by scientist and doctors. Otherwise it's OUR bodies because we have to live together in a society. You mentioned empathy earlier but don't require it of the people making decisions and excuse their selfishness because of their lack of willingness to do research and trust the numbers.

>Also the analogy to seatbelts, drunk driving and smoking are
>shit analogies, because those all involve the right to
>use/consume *commercial* products.

No, they are good analogies because those requirements allow you to consume those things. This requirement will allow people to participate in the things that now require the vaccine. Can't work in an office? Find a job working remote. Can't shop in a particular store? Have it delivered. People who choose to not get vaxxed have options. Catch COVID and unvaxxed, Doctor has a the right to turn you away if the hospital is overwhelmed because you're less likely to survive. They aren't being forced to vaxx. Which is why I don't get all of their crying about it.

>and in the case of smoking, there's decades of research that
>proves that 2nd hand smoke is bad.
>
>People who are skeptical of the COVID Vaxxes literally just
>want more research into their effects.
>More data.
>More science.
>More empiricism.
>You lot? NO DO IT NOW WE KNOW ENOUGH AFTER LESS THAN A YEAR
>CUZ PFIZER IS GOOD
>Meanwhile we still don't know a lot about the actual
>*disease*
>
>You can insult people all you want.
>
>And they will continue to ignore the fuck out of you.
>As they should.
>
>*shruglife*

It's their right to want more data. And it's the rest of ours to exclude them from certain facets of society until their desires are satisfied. Because ultimately, based on what we know today, THEY are the more unsafe of us.

*shruglife*