https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/28078338

You know who a FFP or no? We all said if it couldn't be done with that coach and that roster then...maybe we should accept the reality. Extreme talent, not an FP...or = FFP.

New team was a 6th seed last season so they should be better right? They not. Kawhi joined an 8 seed and they better.

Same energy or nah? All moot cause...ring (probably)? But I'm saying...

Didn't score in the final 3:31 of the game.
- Missed last 19 3-point shots.
- Out-scored 52-32 in the 2nd half.
- Kyrie missed 4 of his final 5 shots.
- Joe Harris (49%) took 4 3-pointers.



>https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/28078338
>
>You know who a FFP or no? We all said if it couldn't be done
>with that coach and that roster then...maybe we should accept
>the reality. Extreme talent, not an FP...or = FFP.
>
>New team was a 6th seed last season so they should be better
>right? They not. Kawhi joined an 8 seed and they better.
>
>Same energy or nah? All moot cause...ring (probably)? But
>I'm saying...
>
>

Kyrie has:

- career high PPG
- career high RPG
- career high APG
- career low turnover rate
- leads the Nets in VORP
- leads the Nets in +/-
- leads the Nets in total win shares
- leads the Nets in win shares per 48
- has higher VORP than Kemba
- has higher +/- than Kemba
- has higher win shares than Kemba
- is averaging 3.5 PPG more than Kemba
- is averaging 2.5 APG more than Kemba

But yes, he did miss some shots at the end of that game. It's not like he made any shots to win games earlier this year.

the talent around them?

Also, he's hella more inefficient that he was last season:

+4 shot attempts
+4% usage
-4% FG
-6% 3pt
-3% 2pt
-5% EFG%
-2% TS%
and his defensive ratings are worse this year.

Nets are scoring 4pts more than they did last year but they are giving up 7pts more.

Shooting more, shooting worse, playing D worse. Career highs mean nothing if they are at the expense of winning.

Kemba's doing a little less and his efficiency is up. Guys like Hayward, Tatum and Brown are doing more (EVERYBODY's shot attempts are waaay up). Team is excelling. (I know some of those shots come from Horford and Morris also but it looks like maybe the talent should have been spread a little more last year as this year 4 guys are taking 14+ shots per game and last yr only 1 did).

Nets? Rumblings about moods in China, team playing inconsistent, sit at 4-7 now. Last yr, team was 5-6 at the same point.


¯\_(ツ)_/¯

That he leads the team in VORP? In win shares? In +/-?

Like, if this was a Wiggins pre-this month thing, I'd get it. But the numbers all say he's the team most valuable player by a healthy margin.

People said "oh he'll never be a 7 assist per game guy!" He is. *And* he's top ten in the NBA in assist rate.

His usage is high (7th in the NBA)... but who else should have that usage? The second most minutes have been played by Joe Harris. The second most points have been scored by Spencer Dinwiddie. He's not running with Bron and Love, or even with Tatum and Brown.

Like, Kemba routinely rocked a ~35 win season in the East, but he was always the best player on the floor, so he got passes. Kyrie is obviously the best player on the floor with the Nets, has made the winning shots in several games... but doesn't get those passes. The downside of being a ring-holder, I guess.

He's supposed to lead them, in every way. But his leadership doesn't seem to be making the nets better. He joined a playoff team, not a lotto squad.

I'm fairly confident he lead the Celtics in most of the same shit.

Team sputtered.

>People said "oh he'll never be a 7 assist per game guy!" He
>is. *And* he's top ten in the NBA in assist rate.

7apg was the agenda mark set by you know who. Was just ironic he set it then ignored it when it came to his guy.

>His usage is high (7th in the NBA)... but who else should have
>that usage? The second most minutes have been played by Joe
>Harris. The second most points have been scored by Spencer
>Dinwiddie. He's not running with Bron and Love, or even with
>Tatum and Brown.

Team made the playoffs and were better at this point last season. They should be better by adding him. Kawhi makes the clippers look like contenders by himself, then PG comes back from surgery and does the same thing without kawhi. But for dude it's "wait until Durant comes back before we decide the nets should be winning/better".

Ok fam... Cool.

>Like, Kemba routinely rocked a ~35 win season in the East, but
>he was always the best player on the floor, so he got passes.
>Kyrie is obviously the best player on the floor with the Nets,
>has made the winning shots in several games... but doesn't get
>those passes. The downside of being a ring-holder, I guess.

Yet Kemba seems more like a dude who can blend in and lead a team. Even if he's no where as good as the guy who held his job last season.

>Team made the playoffs and were better at this point last
>season. They should be better by adding him. Kawhi makes the
>clippers look like contenders by himself, then PG comes back
>from surgery and does the same thing without kawhi. But for
>dude it's "wait until Durant comes back before we decide the
>nets should be winning/better".
>
>Ok fam... Cool.
>

The question is if he can regain his elite Robin status once whatever KD exists after rehab returns to the court or not. Because he can still cook. Tremendous finisher, great handle, ballsy in the clutch (usually). But he'll never be the Zeke or Magic type guy and hey let's face it we haven't seen one since Zeke and Magic.

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last year the nets were ranked 8th in passes per game


this year they are 28th and run no semblance of an offense.

jay williams even admitted they run a stale and ineffective offense with kyrie

all those stats you mentioned...idgaf about his career highs. the team looks like SHIT with him running it..and I get a full HD view of him acting like a cunt towards his teammates, as a season ticket holder sitting 8 rows up

.

might as well bring back POOPINCHICAGO because they ain't doing shit with that team as constructed. Philly, Toronto, and Milwaukee better

Toronto's start has been incredible, but I don't know that its sustainable. Van Vleet is balling like a mid 70's Tiny Archibald. They have a mystery man step up every night. Does that work in June?

Another team I like is Orlando- I think they turned a corner last night. They are better than 5-7 or whatever they are right now.

Kemba a better fit. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

nobody care what kinda leader russ is.

harden is.

now that the blazers regressing, niggas putting that shit in they pocket about dame.

some damn "leader"

just tells me there's a shortage of strong coaches in the league.

Two ECFs in a row then he comes back and they flame out. I wouldn't push that line with anyone looking at the Celtics.

EVERY SINGLE OTHER VARIABLE is removed when talking about the guy

I saw people make excuses about the supporting casts of every PG of his generation when they didn’t make the playoffs, but somehow he was supposed to carry Earl Clark and Luke Harangody into the postseason

Why didn’t Steph carry his team his first 3 years?

Wall his first 3?

Why Russ ain’t make the playoff his first year? Was it two? I forgot.

NOW...here’s the Celtics thing

All summer “oh, they gon miss Horford more than Kyrie.”

Why I ain’t hearing shit about how little Horford meant now? Seems Theis and Kandee better than him and Baynes.

No allowance for the reality of Hayward’s full health or Tatum and Brown’s improvement.

Always very reductive when it comes to Kyrie.

Meanwhile, Steph wasn’t doing SHIT without Klay and his supporters lucky as fuck he got hurt because he was getting exposed something comical.

Kyrie’s ring and his finals performance is unrefundable, so y’all can fuck right off with your goofy “second fiddle” polemic Hail Mary bullshit. Your niggas WISH second fiddles for your faves could be that transcendent when the moment comes.

my agenda went up in smoke, even the Donkeylips hate couldn't overcome it

kemba a fucking ringless 30 year-old ringless rudy goomba who niggas root for to spite a nigga they don't like.

they setting themselves up to be a sisyphusian playoff contender for years to come.

enjoy your narrative, because i'd be just fine with the nets getting a lottery pick with KD coming back next year.

>
>kemba a fucking ringless 30 year-old ringless rudy goomba who
>niggas root for to spite a nigga they don't like.

>they setting themselves up to be a sisyphusian playoff
>contender for years to come.
>
>enjoy your narrative, because i'd be just fine with the nets
>getting a lottery pick with KD coming back next year.

So your response to Jay Williams saying Kemba a better fit is to say the team won't be any more than your guy got them to and you're happy to watch your guy lose to be a 2nd banana again next yr? Ok then I guess that answers the question that was asked way back, is he a fake franchise player...

Good to see we're growing in our convictions. :)

i know your wack ass gonna cyse it, so like said...RING...moot.

and i'mma be on cole anthony ass more than you've ever hated on kyrie, becauee this type behavior warrants it.

since i can't be honest and say rose was never gonna be what you bammas swear he was gonna be anyway without everyone screaming bloody murder, ill pick on UNCs greatest hope for a star player in the last 3 decades.

But I do believe that once he learns how to win from LeBron, he has the potential to actually lead a team. It'll be a second banana ring unless he somehow has an MVP year where it makes everyone say he's clearly the best player on the Lakers. But it'll count regardless.

>and i'mma be on cole anthony ass more than you've ever hated
>on kyrie, becauee this type behavior warrants it.

Type of behavior? We had this discussion:
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2620635&mesg_id=2620635&listing_type=search#2620813

You said he shows up at every stage. But he didn't in Boston with a top 3 coach, world class org with savvy front office and a loaded roster of young and veteran talent. Then basically whined about how hard it was to be a leader and skated out of town the first chance he got.

Now he's in Brooklyn on a playoff team that Russell got a 6th seed but you don't think they should be better and want them to tank until Durant get back? Like really? Shouldn't the Nets be challenging Mil and Philly in the East with Rie alone?

A while back we were discussing fake franchise players, you fried my guys, I put Rie on notice and here we are. 27, fresh out of f*cking excuses and y'all baby wiping the guys buttcheeks on some "he can't be expected to lead a team without the 2nd best player in the game!"

This is what it's come to? Cool. FFP (witharing) <---giving the respect he deserves.

All you and Frank had to say was "yeah, maybe it ain't in him to carry a squad like that but he's a deadly 1b or sidekick" and all is well. But no; pleas, pleas, pleas. Not gonna hold him to standards because he got a robin-ring. Word?

>since i can't be honest and say rose was never gonna be what
>you bammas swear he was gonna be anyway without everyone
>screaming bloody murder, ill pick on UNCs greatest hope for a
>star player in the last 3 decades.

And if I ever Cyse Cole Anthony like you do Rie, I'd be ok with you pointing out his short comings. But since I like Cole but ain't sure who he will be as a pro yet, feel free. I'll laugh knowing it's hurt feelings over your FFP (witharing).

Aye fam...and one for the road: Danny Green might retire with more rings than FFP (witharing).

https://tinyurl.com/FFPWlessthanDG

name the niggas who was a perennial AS, ROY, AS MVP, 3PT CHAMP, ALL-NBA and added a ring before 24.

of AAAAAAAAALLL the PGs been cysed on THIS BOARD, only ONE got that resume.

and he STILL only 27.

you ain't gon have the RIGHT to cyse cole, nigga. you be lucky if he lawson status.

on a title winning or contending team. Which were the criterion you set as to what a franchise player is. Those that don't meet that standard but get touted because of good stats/accomplishments are...per Basaglia...fake franchise players.

Right?

Allstars, MVPs, ROYS, All-NBA's don't matter...if they fake.

He did his thing when the lights were on, but he ain't a franchise player.

>you ain't gon have the RIGHT to cyse cole, nigga. you be lucky
>if he lawson status.

That's fair. UNC ain't got a long recent track record with star pros. I'm sound enough to admit that. Hopefully that tide is changing.

But can you fix your fingers to say Rie ain't true #1 and likely never will be?

because steph ain't been the best player either. klay has. then KD.

i'm good with rie legacy.

y'all niggas the one who still make threads about him, because YOU MAD, just like i knew you'd be. that's why i partied to hard that summer. all that shit talkin and he lit steph ass up and became a legend. all you got outta rose is a weak ass anybody but bron MVP and a, what?....muhfuckan game 2 game winner in the conference semis. boy, if you don't get the fuck out my face. my guy going to the hall and your guy going to the chi town people's champ awards.

cry, nigga.

>because steph ain't been the best player either. klay has.
>then KD.

Steph wasn't the best player on the W's in 2014-2015? You are f*cking lying. And the separation was even WIDER in the playoffs. Media screwed him out of his finals MVP that year too.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/GSW/2015.html

^^^It's all right there doggy. Yet you called him a fraud.

Maybe because YOU were mad? Hmmm...

>i'm good with rie legacy.
>
>y'all niggas the one who still make threads about him, because
>YOU MAD, just like i knew you'd be. that's why i partied to
>hard that summer. all that shit talkin and he lit steph ass up
>and became a legend. all you got outta rose is a weak ass
>anybody but bron MVP and a, what?....muhfuckan game 2 game
>winner in the conference semis. boy, if you don't get the fuck
>out my face. my guy going to the hall and your guy going to
>the chi town people's champ awards.
>
>cry, nigga.

Rose knees didn't hold up so he is what he is. And he lead a team to the ECF as the best player, snagged an MVP too.

Kyrie suckled another dudes tit to a title and hasn't gotten past the 2nd round without LeBron James on his team. Now he gonna be Durant's sidepiece too because as talented as he is, he ain't a leader and he's a fake franchise player. Danny Green ain't either but I party like hell when he gets rings so I understand your point.

I'm glad you were able to finally (yet reluctantly) admit your boy a FFP (witharing). This is gratifying. I appreciate you being a stand up bruh Basa.

I'll leave Rie to his Robin-ring chasing now.

***But you know, if Rie don't win a ring with Durant, yet Steph won 2...how that's gonna look right?

Honestly, AB, I said I lot of wild shit after that shot went in and made my guy a champ and legend. I don’t remember most of it. Just like y’all were proclaiming rose a young GOAT after his pedestrian “great” numbers (niggas put up better numbers every year, B...they did that year) made him the youngest MVP.

If you need to dig up every wild proclamation I made during my summer of bliss to try to tear down Kyrie legacy, I ain’t gon stop you player. This an off year for me and I’m chillin. I shouldn’t have even been sucked in this must because I been ignoring most of y’all dumb shit.

But when your boy called to the carpet on a legit agenda you play coy and mature adult on chill mode.

You do realize we been arguing about Kyrie being a fake franchise player since 2013...you sh*tted on AD, Rose, Curry (AFTER he won a ring and 2 MVP's) and anyone else you could get your hands on about how they should be measured but when the same scope is placed over Kyrie's TEAM success, you're silent and defensive.

Auto-jump behind LeBron's assisted ring. You actually said Curry wasn't a franchise player in 2014-15 fam. The year he WON a title as the best player on a contender.

>Honestly, AB, I said I lot of wild shit after that shot went
>in and made my guy a champ and legend. I don’t remember most
>of it. Just like y’all were proclaiming rose a young GOAT
>after his pedestrian “great” numbers (niggas put up better
>numbers every year, B...they did that year) made him the
>youngest MVP.

Say it...LeBron saved Kyrie's whole legacy. Because you know damn well, without that "I'm going home" post-Miami thing, Kyrie a more accomplished Dame Lillard...MAYBE because I still don't know how far Kyrie could lead any team. At least Dame Bye-Bye'd PG, Russ and Joker to WCF birth.

>If you need to dig up every wild proclamation I made during my
>summer of bliss to try to tear down Kyrie legacy, I ain’t
>gon stop you player. This an off year for me and I’m
>chillin. I shouldn’t have even been sucked in this must
>because I been ignoring most of y’all dumb shit.

That's just it though, this ain't about the Kyrie ring. You started this fight waaaaaaaaaaay before that. I did quick search of this broke ass search function and found you being spicy back to 2013.

Consider this part of the walk down. Rie a FFP.

this ain't news to me.

nobody saved rose. he wasn't good enough no way.

nobody gon save cole. he not good enough.

HOF 90% second fiddles and role players. looking forward to seeing my young legend deliver his speech and point out how he shot over 45 from the field and 40 from 3 and MAYBE 90 from the line, while a lot of his contempories got cysed for not doing shit but padding and losing.

until next time, bro.

these agendas get more hoe-ish every year.

So you cysing that Kyrie is a great Robin to any Batman? is that what the deal is?

so i ain't even know why we talkin about this shit. they off to a slow start and niggas just need to draw me out to livin up this weak ass board.

and i see Dear Leader Dame looking suspect than a muhfucka and niggas ignoring it like a homeless asian vet.

You literally just said that.

Are you this full of shit in real life?

Bottom line is the Celts looked better pre-Kyrie and
now post-Kyrie. That is a huge L- even for you.

The Nets look worse with him. Hoping to look
the same as with D-lo. D-lo!! lol lol

And...you just said this year doesn’t count lol lol

I’m crying.

You want to make it about Dame, but meanwhile
you’re ducking the fact that lil Zeke AND Kemba
make your guy look bad at this point.


“Dear ky, did you get my last letter? The guys online
are being mean about you again...”

Dog, you’re like a cartoon character.

Sorry you mad I’m not mad

if Kyrie cant carry them to an 8 seed...Lulz

and I genuinely wish him the best. From a statistical standpoint he's balling, and I agree with those who say this season is pretty much a wash for the Nets.

BUT... the better the Celts look with Kemba the worse a look it is for Kyrie. There's just no way around it. Replacing Kyrie with Kemba and losing Horford SHOULD make us worse, but we've looked great so far.

I'm tempering my enthusiasm cause there's still a lot of basketball left and I'm nervous about our lack of size, but Kemba looks like a much better leader and he compliments Tatum and Brown WAY better.

And what makes it even worse Dangelo Russell had that same Brooklyn squad in the playoffs.

So he is not working with bums.

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last year they started off 6-6 then went on a 2-12 streak. Translation: it’s early calm the hell down

>last year they started off 6-6 then went on a 2-12 streak.
>Translation: it’s early calm the hell down

So out of 14 games they won

>>last year they started off 6-6 then went on a 2-12 streak.
>>Translation: it’s early calm the hell down
>
>So out of 14 games they won

2

It’s November.

>>>last year they started off 6-6 then went on a 2-12 streak.
>>>Translation: it’s early calm the hell down
>>
>>So out of 14 games they won
>
>2
>
>It’s November.
>

get back to .500 until January and they struggled to stay there the rest of the season so don't let allstah get you too hype saying D'Angelo had this same team "in the playoffs" last year like they totally blew the doors off what the current team is doing with Kyrie

and last years team wasn’t good either .

Kemba better , Kyrie is better when he has a Batman to do the heavy lifting for him.

>get back to .500 until January and they struggled to stay
>there the rest of the season so don't let allstah get you too
>hype saying D'Angelo had this same team "in the playoffs" last
>year like they totally blew the doors off what the current
>team is doing with Kyrie

>and last years team wasn’t good either .
>
>Kemba better , Kyrie is better when he has a Batman to do the
>heavy lifting for him.
>

than Kyrie

the only reason the Nets even wanted Kyrie is to bring KD on board

and its painfully obvious dude was holding back the celtics

>>and last years team wasn’t good either .
>>
>>Kemba better , Kyrie is better when he has a Batman to do
>the
>>heavy lifting for him.
>>
>
>

broad brigade that is jilted Knicks-Nation, it's not looking too good with these widening trajectories between the Nets and the Celtics.

I agree that we do have to wait until next year and hope the team doesn't implode before then, but as of right now, the Nets' identity as a scrappy overachiever with a gritty teamwork approach is just not looking consistent year over year with Kyrie instead of D-Lo.

to go

and now he’s gonna miss another 5 games

The Knicks dodged a bullet

>https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/28078338
>
>You know who a FFP or no? We all said if it couldn't be done
>with that coach and that roster then...maybe we should accept
>the reality. Extreme talent, not an FP...or = FFP.
>
>New team was a 6th seed last season so they should be better
>right? They not. Kawhi joined an 8 seed and they better.
>
>Same energy or nah? All moot cause...ring (probably)? But
>I'm saying...
>
>

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/28133150/why-kemba-walker-made-happy-celtics-buzzword

that spoke volumes to me as a teammate.

People on here defended that shit. Never made sense to me.

Dude is selfish and it shows on the court and in the locker room.

Dude is nice but he isn’t someone you build a team around.

4 in a row for BK

5 of 6

w/o 'Rie.

That he’s putting up at the expense of team chemistry and wins

Can’t believe the nets are placing their hopes on this pussy to take them to the promised land

L

>https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/28078338
>
>You know who a FFP or no? We all said if it couldn't be done
>with that coach and that roster then...maybe we should accept
>the reality. Extreme talent, not an FP...or = FFP.
>
>New team was a 6th seed last season so they should be better
>right? They not. Kawhi joined an 8 seed and they better.
>
>Same energy or nah? All moot cause...ring (probably)? But
>I'm saying...
>
>