Poll question: 2019-2020 NBA MVP

Poll result (31 votes) Magic Bronson (8 votes) Vote Load Managed Leonard (0 votes) Vote Giannis (7 votes) Vote Embiid (1 votes) Vote Brandon Ingram !!! (2 votes) Vote Other (13 votes) Vote

im guessing mid-January you will be in a full fledged psychosis

>im guessing mid-January you will be in a full fledged
>psychosis

He'll have missed what - 10 games by then due to load management in his prime?

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65 games played, thank you very much

..no one complained last year.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

>..no one complained last year.
>

When Bron and his cronies do it, didn't you know?


Dude has an ongoing issue, is protecting his health/future/chances at winning, etc. Being smart/cautious and doing his own thing and taking control of his future.

= Vex takes shots at the load management.



Lebron starts the era of squading up fucking AAU style to basically buy chips and Vex maintains that he's a trail blazer.



The sheer lack of self-awareness with some of these dudes around these parts is fucking disheartening.


What's funny is had Kawhi followed the Lebron model and signed with the Lakers, Vex would be all in here defending the load management. There is absolutely no doubt about this.


What's extra funny is that his load management no doubt eliminates him from MVP consideration, and Kawhi doesn't seem to give a fuck about that. So...why someone who claims to support players taking control of their careers/futures is so salty about it is...really weird.

Mentioning my name about a dozen times in an odd, unhinged rant is...well, weird.

But whatever waves rock your boat, my guy.

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Kawhi is amazing.

All anyone is saying is that you can't win MVP missing
a ton of games.

That's no slander. It's just a fact.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

might be more of a "LeBron Jr" than Bronny. LOL

If he keeps this up then yeah.

but he'll definitely deserve some votes if the Mavericks actually make the playoffs. That team has no reason to be in the playoff hunt given how uneven it is.

He is definitely the truth though. Scary to think he'll probably get even better since this is only his second year.

Especially when they are giving up so many points with him on the floor compared to when he is on the bench?

He can’t get enough of 2-9 teams.

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Considering AD just came from that same losing team. So if AD puts up MVP numbers on the same losing squad last year, Ingram can’t?

I don’t think you think before your type.

His per is crazy, and he is too efficient. Plus what he is doing on both sides of the ball. He is doing more in less mins

If you compare his production against lebron’s And Giannis, he is giving you similar numbers with less mins. This means other teammates can get mins and the team can score even more points.


Also what Siakam Is doing, Raptors are still rolling hard and they thrashed the lakers.

Luka is outta this world, but the mavs as a team is weak.

Sabonis should be in the talks too. I have yet to see him have a bad night and the pacers are killing.

No one doubts that he could rather easily win all
things being equal

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Best player on the court is simply the best player on the court.

Best 2 way player - check
Most efficient player - check


Minutes played: 31.5
Per: 28


Lebron: Mins Played: 35.5
Per: 27


Giannis: Mins Played: 33.5
Per: 32.6

Lebron is playing the most minutes, and less efficient compared to Giannis and Kawhi. All the pers are outstanding of course. But you’re getting a bigger bang for your buck through Kawhi.

And all players are taking nights off. Morant, Horford, were just recently rested. This is going to be the way of the NBA. Stars will not play a lot of back to backs to preserve their careers . So you have no argument.

No one has anything close to negative to say about
his game.

You’re not understanding.

No one cares about the AWARD.

It’s about who is the real MVP of the league and gets his team to the championship, etc

My point is him being load managed does not take away the fact that he is the most valuable player on the court, which is why I posted the numbers.

Per 30 mins he is the most valuable and the most efficient player.

Period.

So No matter what number of games he plays..... when he is in the court with other top players, he is the best, which is why he is the champion.

with coffee grounds from 1997. don't expect him to type rationally about the NBA MVP.

LMAOO

We talking about the MVP award

Not no NBA 2K version, dumb nigga

That's what the fuck we talking about

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but it wasn't about some subjective, fringe criteria on who the most valuable player in the league is *except* for the actual most valuable player in the league.

But hey - cats gonna cook.

leads the NBA in assists by a wide margin, best record in the West...

the same people that agree with the above sentence felt Nash didn't deserve his awards but that is simply none of my business

Fuck other kind of MVP is there but the MVP award??

Jesus Christ



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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

..as usual.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

America has imported more warlord theocracy from Afghanistan than it has exported democracy.

given what he did during the regular season Orlando pandemic bubble run.

Props to you, sir or madam.

that was a great game, i think Bron was saving some gas for the Golden State game last night, we nearly had it.

Luka just might be mvp.

Doing this to league in his second year? That’s makes it that much greater.
He has given every star in the league the business.

We're now just about a quarter into the season - and you could make a case for a few guys.

Luka - Harden - Giannis - all making strong cases.

But right today - Lakers are 14-2. That's actually the best team start of LeBron's career - and he's legitimately playing at an MVP level. Lakers don't have the deepest team - Clippers are certainly a deeper, more talented team w/ guys like Montrezl & Lou Will coming off the bench to score 30+ and even take over games late.

Leading the league in assists - playing defense at a very high level - hustling back on both sides of the court with renewed inspiration. Volume scoring when it's needed. Closing games - empowering teammates to play at a high level etc...

Who would've thought this in year 17? Very few.



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With his destruction of Houston yesterday. My god what a performance. That was all him. 41 point double/double.

Can’t forget Giannis who lost Malcolm to FA, and the second star of the team Kris Middleton has been out for about 2 weeks and will be out for another month. This dude is really doing it solo. Putting in triple doubles like water.

Lebron has improved from last season, great stats, but he has AD who is a mvp caliber player himself putting in work as well, and was the reason they won the last 2 games. Dude had a 4 point play at the end of the Memphis game, and had a monster geme against OKC and has been stroking some serious 3 pointers. AD takes votes away.

And Luka snatched the lead with his performance yesterday as well as throughout the year.

I'm sure you have your own.

Cause he ballin and he’s white, then everyone will cry about it in retrospect.

>With his destruction of Houston yesterday. My god what a
>performance. That was all him. 41 point double/double.
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>Can’t forget Giannis who lost Malcolm to FA, and the second
>star of the team Kris Middleton has been out for about 2
>weeks and will be out for another month. This dude is really
>doing it solo. Putting in triple doubles like water.
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>Lebron has improved from last season, great stats, but he has
>AD who is a mvp caliber player himself putting in work as
>well, and was the reason they won the last 2 games. Dude had
>a 4 point play at the end of the Memphis game, and had a
>monster geme against OKC and has been stroking some serious 3
>pointers. AD takes votes away.

Nash deserved the MVPs, but i hope you think you look cool saying this dumb shit!

No superstars or allstars on that squad and they beat Utah. Should I say he beat Utah.

Giannis saw what Luka did and was like I’m still the king.

Giannis
Luka
Lebron

That order.

This season is going to be crazy. I hope this cats have something left in the playoffs. Going mad hard in November.

And Doncic is number 2

Giannis
Doncic
Wilt
Jordan

As well as Toronto.

I read a stat that the raptors have held Giannis, lebron and harden under
33 percent shooting.

Lebron and Harden got roasted by the clippers.

>Harden got roasted by the clippers.

harden put up 47 in a win vs LAC on 11.13. definitely not a roasting

on 11.22 he put up 37/12/8 despite getting double teamed every time he had the ball. the two best wing defenders in the league + help on every possession couldn't stop him from doing what he does. lost? yes. roasted? not quite

Ah, and in both games he went to the line 18 times. As the ref didn’t allow clippers to play defense. They never let anyone play defense against him

I watched both games and they were on him.

Kawhi hasn't even been playing all that spectacular consistently - and PG has been hot & cold -- but Lou Will and Montrezl have always stepped up with 30+ outings and closing games.

That's a luxury no other team has.

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This 17-2 team has tied the *franchise-best* for hot starts through first 19 games.

That's crazy. Bron is spearheading the most impressive quarterbacking effort of his career - with a brand new team. The chemistry between him & AD is *instant* -- it took several months for Bron to gel w/ Wade/Bosh & Kyrie/Love. AD is eating so many easy shots off that pick and roll.

It's Giannis or Bron right now.

Not at the moment, the least

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm

Lebron is (as of Dec 12) 10th in defensive RPM, and
first in offensive

This is kinda shocking


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

It’s not close.

It’s Giannis all day long.

Giannis scored 114 points in 4 games, where he averaged like 23 mins in each game. Had he played full minutes he would have scored 200 plus points.

Also his per is like 34.1 with less minutes played than lebron, Luka, and harden.
Giannis has the highest per in nba history...higher than wilt and Jordan. That is insane.

He is basically scoring the same points as his peers in way less minutes.

He is possibly the most efficient player in nba history based on Per and minutes. This is why the Bucs are usually up on their opponents big early.

Lebron, Luka and harden are playing higher minutes to produce similar results.

Giannis usage and scoring is more efficient.
Giannis is the best defender
And he is playing for a team with the best record.

He is doing some really historic shit.

Giannis played an entire month with his second best player and still dominated.

AD Is just as important as lebron, and had like what 50 points the other day.

You’ve made a case for everyone except LeBron because of your blind bias and childish fandom. I also love how you complete ignored the data O_E shared which reflects just how exceptional LeBron’s impact is on both sides of the ball.

Such desperation to try and minimize Bron at every turn. Must be exhausting to be that upset.

I don t understand you. You come in calling people names, etc

You don’t provide stats or a case, just name calling. If you disagree, just disagree and debate with your argument with information. You simply attack the poster instead of attacking the argument.

I didn’t call OE a name. I simply provided a stat to combat his argument.

A stat that is even greater than the stat he provided.

- Giannis is the best defender in The league
- the most efficient player in the league ...all while playing an exerting superior defense.
- the highest PER in nba history
- the best team in the league with the best record
- the best 3 point shooting team in the league

And for the entire month he played without the second best option on his team. He is the leading scorer for his team in the least amount of minutes than all the other mvp candidates who are leading their team in scoring.

If you want to add something meaningful go right ahead, but keep the other childish stuff to yourself.

- best team with best record

Giannis may be favorite but also since won last year may take against him slightly. I would say him or Lebron at this point in the season and Lebron could get the career votes, who knows.

I’m saying the Bucks are playing way better than lakers, in my opinion.

So they have the best team in my opinion. Giannis is even more of a MVP this year than he was last year with what he is doing right now.

Give?

They will not have to give anything. He is the best player in the league. No one else is superior on both sides of the ball. Giannis is doing Wilt and Jordan level stuff.

Anthony Davis is dropping 40 and 50 point games for the lakers. His name will definitely be in the mvp talk. No one else on the Bucks’ team is dropping 40 and 50 points.

Loses Bledsoe to a fractured leg. Huge loss. Win streak gets snapped.

Goes 48-4-14. PER: 34.25 ...

Played without Middleton for an entire month. Now he has to play without Bledsoe. That might be even tougher. Lose top PG play and a good perimeter defender.

Bad timing since the lakers are up next.

Lebron's real +- stats have him in the lead.

But the bucks were on an 18 game winning streak, tough to ride, then lose your best PG

They looked out of sync, and the chemistry was off. They did come back to almost win it. But porzingis and curry went kind of ballistic from three.

No one to really provide that backcourt defense like Bledsoe. This is where losing Brogdon through FA might rear it’s ugly head.

It changes the dynamic of the lakers game.

By quite a bit

All I can do is LOL.

Giannis loses brogdon permanently ,Middleton for a period, now Bledsoe for a period.
And still dropping basically 50 points with the greatest PER in nba history, all while going on an 18 game winning streak, with the bucks being one of the best teams in the NBA....but lebron is MVP by quite a bit, even though he has AD taking over games as well?

Clearly what Giannis is doing is way greater ..no?

Lebron is just hands down MVP?

That's a way, way, way, way better measure of
influence than PER

+293 to + 258

Giannis is ranked number 1


https://www.foxsports.com/nba/stats?season=2019&category=MISC&group=1&sort=12&time=0&pos=0&team=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0&opp=0&page=1

And PER is the best stat at showcasing a players true efficiency offensively and defensively with his playing mins.

Giannis is clearly the better player on both sides of the ball. Lebron is the better passer but that’s it.

Points
Rebounds
PER
+/-

All Giannis without the help.

https://www.si.com/nba/2019/12/10/2019-20-nba-awards-first-quarter-predictions

The numbers offensively and defensively are nuts.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm

So sports illustrated is wrong?

Okay, bruh

Okay you’re talking RPM, my bad. I thought you were talking +/-

But even with that Giannis is in second place!

Also mvps don’t shoot 60 percent FT or miss 4 FTs in crunch time like
you mans just did.

Bron's balling out of his mind, but the only reason I give the edge to Giannis is because he doesn't have Anthony Davis, and Bron does. That one teammate makes a world of difference

It's still close though...and Siakam is balling

Still went something like 34/ 14/ 5. He was clearly the most dominant player on the court, and he was on fire from 3. No one could guard him.

He is the MVP and best defensive player in the league. You’re truly seeing a Wilt / Jordan type of player here. We have never seen this since those players.

No agendas here. Just facts on how fucking good this dude is.

Unanimous MVP....and no one is close.

What happened?

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

not my GOAT, man. fumbling the ball like that

Bwhahahhahaahhahhahahahahahahhaha

Goddamn!!!

>not my GOAT, man. fumbling the ball like that

You mispelled triple double breh

No. That’s not me. I don’t know who that is. I have never used an alias on this board. Never will.

I still like Kawhi. But Giannis is the best.

I'd use 4 aliases too, because you don't have any
consistent views on anything

Do you bruh

Your Serena hate the only thing that ever crossed
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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

Caught with what the hell what??

I don’t use aliases. Never will. I don’t know who the fuck HecticHavok is. I don’t even post like that.


I stand by my views under my username ... have the moderators look at the ips.
I live in one state and one state only.

I’ve posting on this board back since 2005 , left, for about 7 years, came back

All under allStah

And forever that.

I’m not you. I don’t need to pretend or come with agendas, or create multiple usernames .And I’m always consistent.

So please rather you like me or not. Don’t spread lies.

Peace.

yet still want to vomit analysis as if it should be taken objectively lol.

"Luka is CLEARLY the MVP!"

"INARGUABLE that Harden is MVP right now."

"Giannis all day!"

"If you think about it, Kawhi is really the MVP. Have you seen his New Balance commercial? He's KING!"

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That means it is objective. I'm going by who the best actually is, and not backing someone because he is my guy or being a stan, by just saying Lebron is MVP.

Right now. Giannis is the MVP.

Now that could very well change later on in the season, due to injury, due to lack of ability, or due to other players excelling and playing better.

Right now, for me, It is Giannis and it is all based on stats, record, and ability.

My rankings:

1.Giannis
2.Harden
3.Lebron
4.AD
5.Luka ( injury has pushed him back and the Mavs still play at a high level without him, and actually pass the ball better. Everyone's stats has increased)

Giannis is my guy. So no issue there

But you went from riding Kawhi and Luka to
giving AD all the credit, to now riding Giannis

Sorry if I pay attention to all players and not just agenda ride one player.

My rankings

The Greek
Lebron
Doncic
Harden
Paul

Chris is scoring more points in the closing mins of the 4th than any other player.
And OKC is 21-16. Probably the biggest surprise of the nba this year.

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm

Fewest minutes per game while average 30 + points a game.

31 mins.

The highest average in nba HISTORY!

Now put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Plus the highest PER in nba history.

I've given Giannis his.

Give Lebron his.


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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

I did. He is number 2 in my rankings.

>I did. He is number 2 in my rankings.

Yet you've never made a case for him as MVP.

You have made a case for:
-Luka
-Giannis
-Harden
-Kawhi
-BI (lmao)
-and now CP3

I won't hold my breath for your case for LeBron.

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>>I did. He is number 2 in my rankings.
>
>Yet you've never made a case for him as MVP.
>
>You have made a case for:
>-Luka
>-Giannis
>-Harden
>-Kawhi
>-BI (lmao)
>-and now CP3
>
>I won't hold my breath for your case for LeBron.
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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

MY rankings. YOUR rankings.

There is no case when you have another player on your squad
Who is just as important or even more important. No other MVP
Candidate has that. AD takes votes away as critics have already stated.

That’s why he will never be number 1 in my rankings. AD has dominated games with or without lebron. That just pure facts.

>That’s why he will never be number 1 in my rankings.


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Put Harden and Westbrook on spin with a blowout win that was never close. Damn game was over in the first quarter.

Mad?

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

CP3 is having a YEAR though.

>CP3 is having a YEAR though.

It's just that Lebron James is a better point
guard this year

That isn't even close to shade


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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

Bron doing what a lot of people didn't think he could do in year 17 during this 5-game stretch without AD -- leading the Lakers to a 4-1 record and getting two big, tough wins on the road vs. Dallas & Houston, at that.

Giannis is just super-human right now and Bucks have a 2-game lead on the Lakers....but Bron is making his case.

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Last seven games: 34,34 61,47, 50,36,48. And he is shooting three pointers from greater distances than anyone in the league. Logo threes.

Beat lakers,rockets, pacers. 6-3 last nine games and is creeping on that 8th seed Still missing 2 important players to injuries.


My rankings

1. Giannis
2. Lebron
3 Dame
4.Harden ( dude’s game has fallen, terrible slump, did score 30 the other night though)
5. Doncic ( can’t stay on the court, injured again)

Honorable mention: CP3.

Just scored 51 against Utah...damn

Give that man his MVP in year 17. Balance this out after he got robbed earlier in his career.

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Bodied?’

Giannis did go 32–2- 6 . But I guess that’s being bodied.

Lakers won. Bucks loss. AD did have 30 too. I guess that does not count either.

But have your fun. Seriously enjoy.

Both AD and James guarded Giannis. While Giannis guarded BOTH of them.
You’re making this too easy. Just enjoy the W.

Just a 2 game difference between the Lakers & Bucks right now - Bron turned this Laker team around from a half-decade drought in the playoffs to the top of the food chain.

Cry. Bron is MVP-caliber, yet again.

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kinda looking like them old East days.

>kinda looking like them old East days.

It's insane. All those guys are out of the league. LeBron is still top of the food chain. Bananas.

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Lakers making a charge to claim the league's best record. The Bucks were on pace for 70 and many rightfully cited that as further evidence of Giannis coasting to the MVP - but given that he's fallen off a bit in terms of his historic efficiency numbers this year - and LeBron closing the gap both in terms of his glittery individual numbers & his big game performances against the league's top competition - the tides are shifting.


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the league after everything we've been through they have to give it to Lebron.

According to writers who actually vote on the award, Giannis is still ahead and rightfully so. Giannis has done it all year, from day one, and their 3 game skid is not going to change that, no matter how much people are campaigning it.

Brian Windhorst said it’s still Giannis by a good lead. Even missing a few games wouldn’t change that , and apparently, the bucks appear to not care about the record because Bud sat the starters even while facing a three game losing streak ..which by the way is their longest losing streak of the season. I feel every game is a must win game to maintain homecourt advantage throughout the PO, but I guess the bucks feel differently, and will pull players regardless. I guess it’s fear that other players will get hurt, just makes no sense to me.

Giannis numbers and season speaks for itself . No campaigning. And more than likely he is going to snag defensive player of the year.

It’s great that lebron is still playing at a high level, but he has another superstar carrying the load and taking over games, And AD took over in both second halves of the Bucks and clippers game. That’s another knock and probably the biggest knock against him.

Against the clippers, lebron took zero shots in the third quarter and only played 5 mins,the quarter where they took over. AD went into beast mode that quarter as well as Bradley. That is why Giannis is still ahead and would take some drastic to change that.

You just hop from dick to dick, its fascinating



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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

I'll bet you $50 right now that Giannis doesn't win MVP and DPOY. No question.

I bet things with numbers.... not things based on voting.

But I love how after crying for 8 years about how the East was supposedly trash - now all of a sudden the West is supposed to be a cake-walk division for Bron.

It's been a rough decade for you having to watch the AP Male Athlete of the Decade dominate in such an unprecedented fashion.

Don't worry - it'll be over soon. Although y'all been saying that for years now.


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You always appear win the wins come, but when cats are getting trashed you are milk carton status. Steph killing your man must have been hard for you. This one is going to be even harder. Try not to ghost next time.

Try to watch them play too. They play the nets tonight. Also they just added waiters and Morris to their squads. Good luck, Bobby.

It's a lot more fun to enjoy watching greatness than it is to try and hate, denigrate, and cry about it. Give it a try.

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MVPs don’t blow games against inferior teams at HOME.

Who y'all got?

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No matter who wins it's an asterisk title. So the winner is going to have to carry the burden of that.

And we still got this pandemic going on, so when you look at it from an importance stand point, it makes it sensitive to really go in on it.

Who will be in form, who will be out of form?...The title could totally be up for grabs.

>No matter who wins it's an asterisk title. So the winner is
>going to have to carry the burden of that.
>
>And we still got this pandemic going on, so when you look at
>it from an importance stand point, it makes it sensitive to
>really go in on it.
>
>Who will be in form, who will be out of form?...The title
>could totally be up for grabs.

Best record, great d, and the dropoff between himself and the second best player is pretty damn big compared to Brawn.

But it'll probably go Giannis MVP and AD DPOY.

Good morning

..Reply #11, dude.

You don't get to flip flop all season and then call out ANYTHING regarding the Lakers.

*Yes, we all know that Vex rides for Lebron, NOT the Lakers. You try to clown him, yet you're the extreme opposite of him. You hop on the bandwagon of any player that LOOKS like they might be able to take down the Lakers lol.

You claimed Kawhi would win MVP, not Giannis. Your dogs ran home with their tale between their legs before the main event even started LOL.

Go home, Roger.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

All I said was good morning. Seems like you got some esoteric demons to get rid of.

Don’t get Jokic’d tonight.

..I'm not concerned about who wins MVP.

The only wins that truly count are in the Finals.

Get there.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

-Brawn or AD to get the MVP, but get bounced in round 2

or

-Someone else gets the MVP, but the Lakers are alive during the WCF as arguably the best team left in the final four, with a real shot at a chip?

..dude put up the numbers and continues to show growth in his overall game.




*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

Well-earned MVP title.

Still doesn't take away from the absurdly dynamic season Kang had in year 17. It was a two-way race and I don't know if we'll ever see a player in year 17 legitimately compete for the MVP award like Bron just did.

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