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2699335, AD to LA
Posted by Oak27, Sat Jun-15-19 05:33 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1140023139142971392?s=19

The Pelicans have agreed to a deal to trade Anthony Davis to the Lakers for Lonzo Ball, Brandon Ingram, Josh Hart, and three first-round picks – including the No. 4 overall in 2019 Draft, league sources tell ESPN.
2699337, Let’s fuckin go. I bet silver told the league to stop blackballing us
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sat Jun-15-19 05:38 PM
2699338, Oh boo fucking hoo
Posted by blueeclipse, Sat Jun-15-19 05:38 PM
Cmon man......
2699353, Furious
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sat Jun-15-19 06:15 PM
2699351, Magic died for this nm
Posted by FILF, Sat Jun-15-19 06:13 PM
2699722, ....
Posted by murph71, Wed Jun-19-19 02:16 PM
.......!
2699339, That is...a lot. But let’s go.
Posted by Ryan M, Sat Jun-15-19 05:43 PM
2699340, Cloaked
Posted by DJR, Sat Jun-15-19 05:45 PM
2699341, the untradable one got traded
Posted by Dstl1, Sat Jun-15-19 05:48 PM
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2699342, Happy Father’s Day
Posted by Beezo, Sat Jun-15-19 05:57 PM
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2699344, Lakers gave up soo much but now anything is possible
Posted by guru0509, Sat Jun-15-19 06:02 PM
can't wait to watch the Pelicans on league pass next year
2699346, So it's official now.
Posted by Shaun Tha Don, Sat Jun-15-19 06:04 PM
So much for rebuilding the team from the ground up.
2699347, Marc Stein says Boston refused to include Tatum in a deal
Posted by Dstl1, Sat Jun-15-19 06:06 PM
.
2699349, ...just like they refused to include Brown in the Kawhi trade-talks
Posted by FILF, Sat Jun-15-19 06:09 PM
2699374, Hard to blame them when AD was likely a rental for them
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jun-15-19 07:38 PM
2699376, just as was predicted here. Boy these receipts looking pristine.
Posted by Vex_id, Sat Jun-15-19 07:49 PM

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2699617, now the word is that they would include tatum but not the memphis pick
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Jun-18-19 04:07 PM
the reality is that they never had a shot here and were used to leverage LA a bit just to make it seem like it wasn't a one-horse race.
2699350, Ehhh... I hope they can surround AD with some talent.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Sat Jun-15-19 06:10 PM
Also, I’m glad to be done watching the Pelicans. They’re gonna be some shit.
2699352, no love for Julius Randle?
Posted by Numba_33, Sat Jun-15-19 06:14 PM
2699357, I fully hope & expect him to be long gone.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Sat Jun-15-19 06:26 PM
2699377, Yeah, him and Zion are redundant.
Posted by Numba_33, Sat Jun-15-19 07:50 PM
Wonder if they package him and the number four pick for something before the draft.

Even if they don't move Randle, I have to think the Pelicans will use those other picks from the Lakers for some kind of trade.
2699472, He declined his option and will be a free agent.
Posted by Numba_33, Mon Jun-17-19 09:15 AM
I just saw a tweet that the Knicks may want him.

Please break down Julius Randle for me. And I am sending this query out to folks that watched him on the Lakers in the prior years as well. Is this kid someone the Knicks should spend serious dollars on and invest 3-4 years into?
2699481, solid all around offensive player, can score inside/out, solid rebounder...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-17-19 09:49 AM
can handle and pass a little but sometimes gets a little out of control when he tries to do to much and picks up a lot of silly offensive fouls.

On defense he usually gives a lot of effort but for whatever reason doesn't seem to have good defensive instincts, he can't really stay with elite guys on the perimeter and he's not really a "rim-protector" and struggles against bigger guys in the post so he's kind of a tweener.
2699484, Thanks for that breakdown.
Posted by Numba_33, Mon Jun-17-19 09:55 AM
Sounds like a solid young player. Someone the Lakers should have kept if the win-now-because-LeBron's-here whole scenario didn't present it self, especially given the young core he was around before LeBron got there.

For some reason, I think the Pacers or Brooklyn would be a great fit for him, but I could be wrong. I wonder if Danny Ainge would be willing to kick the tires on him.
2699498, RE: Thanks for that breakdown.
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-17-19 11:30 AM
>Sounds like a solid young player. Someone the Lakers should
>have kept if the win-now-because-LeBron's-here whole scenario
>didn't present it self, especially given the young core he was
>around before LeBron got there.
>
>For some reason, I think the Pacers or Brooklyn would be a
>great fit for him, but I could be wrong. I wonder if Danny
>Ainge would be willing to kick the tires on him.

I think it came down to in addition to Bron we had a lot of young talent at the forward position with Randle, Ingram and Kuz and Randle's rookie deal was up so they let him walk.
2699354, Got one more max spot so #NoExcuses
Posted by FILF, Sat Jun-15-19 06:15 PM
2699358, And they gonna go get Kemba? Lol... he ain't good though.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Sat Jun-15-19 06:26 PM
2699360, pssh he nice af AND durable.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sat Jun-15-19 06:45 PM
i dont think you have seen him much if you think otherwise. he go as hard as anybody at the PG position w/ teammates that are more of a detriment than actual help.
2699361, Career 42% shooter, low assist numbers, doesn't defend...
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Sat Jun-15-19 06:50 PM
where do I sign up?
2699362, Never had anyone else with guarding on his team
Posted by auragin_boi, Sat Jun-15-19 06:56 PM
Always the focus of the other teams defense and kept that shitty roster competitive most nights.

With 2 guys who command attention, he'd feast.

FFS... He dropped 60 in a game this season.
2699364, Uh huh.... it was everybody else's fault. Got it.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Sat Jun-15-19 07:11 PM
2699413, I mean, you going to bat for:
Posted by auragin_boi, Sun Jun-16-19 09:21 AM
-Batum's corpse and inflated contact
-Marvin Williams as a starter
-Monk not really playing
-Cody Zeller? Cody fucking Zeller!?!
-Tony Parker's retirement fund
-MKG's jumpshot

Lamb and Knox were the only things to be optimistic about with that team and I've isn't consistent every night and the other is just getting started.
2699414, trbo talking about some shit he knows nothing about here.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sun Jun-16-19 09:59 AM
2699422, So it's been EVERYBODY else's fault for 8 years?
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Sun Jun-16-19 11:33 AM
You're gonna stick with that?
2699427, Yep. Gotta call a spade a spade when you see it
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sun Jun-16-19 12:35 PM
2699428, I gotta call Ehhh, “Ehhh” when I see it.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Sun Jun-16-19 01:18 PM
2699439, who's fault was it for all those years of Boogie's loserdom?
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Sun Jun-16-19 06:45 PM
>You're gonna stick with that?

I mean, you did.

2699460, The team losing? That's on Boogie and the team.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Mon Jun-17-19 08:36 AM
The stats? Those are Boogie's and they were great.

Kemba has team L's and meh stats. L.L. Cool Meh.

2699462, ^^^QUESTIONS THAT NEED ANSWERS
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-17-19 08:38 AM
2699458, Yes, like it was for AD and Cuz with their sh*tty teams prior
Posted by auragin_boi, Mon Jun-17-19 08:30 AM
Don't just have the "I hope they get some help" goggles on for Wildcats fam.

You LITERALLY just said AD needs help with LeBron already on his team but you gonna go at Kemba for having to live through:

Dwight Howard
Al Jefferson
...
...

As his #2's. Really my dude?
2699461, See Reply #94
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Mon Jun-17-19 08:37 AM
2699469, Fair. But meh for an all-NBA guy? I dunno
Posted by auragin_boi, Mon Jun-17-19 08:58 AM
Can't clap to that one. I think you make the most of what you got.

He had a 31% usage rate to keep them competitive. Teams threw their entire defensive scheme at him (and have been for quite some time now) and he still got All-NBA numbers.

2018/19 - Jeremy Lamb: 15ppg
2017/18 - Dwight Howard: 16ppg
2016/17 - Nic Batum: 15ppg
2015/16 - Nic Batum: 14.9ppg
2014/15 - Al Jefferson: 16.6ppg

Who on this list of the 'second best guy on the team' for the last 5 yrs actually helps when it comes to winning?

I mean, Kemba is the team leader so he takes some of that blame but he did fine considering what he had and would likely do better playing next to two guys better than him.

2699499, I don’t think he should’ve been All-NBA. Beal & Booker better.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Mon Jun-17-19 11:33 AM
2699363, exactly you havent watched him play
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sat Jun-15-19 07:02 PM
kemba w/ AD and lebron would be vulgar offensively. kemba can actually play one on one? kemba can pass to teammates that actually shoot w/ proper shooting form?

sheesh. i'd be honored to have him on MY team.
2699365, Please tell me more abut this guy Kemba Walker?
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Sat Jun-15-19 07:12 PM
You think AD and Lebron need a guy that's gonna dribble the air out of the ball and play 1 on 1?
2699381, Absolutely. Because he won’t be playing 1 on 1 with us
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sat Jun-15-19 08:47 PM
He won’t have to play 1 on 5 like he did at Charlotte ever again
2699401, So no 1 on 1 (what you said he was good at), no 1 on 5?
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Sun Jun-16-19 06:51 AM
He's gonna be 1 on 0?
2699390, so you've come back around full circle to your kemba's not good take?
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Sat Jun-15-19 10:13 PM
interesting timing.




2699402, By all evidence we use to slander pgs, Kemba is not good.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Sun Jun-16-19 06:53 AM
I don't wanna see any player I like playing with and depending on Kemba.
2699449, the evidence hasn't changed since you said he was good.
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Mon Jun-17-19 01:37 AM
and now you're back to saying he's not good. strange.
2699432, Yeah, they should just bring back Rondo nm
Posted by FILF, Sun Jun-16-19 02:25 PM
2699355, They gonna force feed us Zion and this bullshit all year.
Posted by Beezo, Sat Jun-15-19 06:18 PM
>Also, I’m glad to be done watching the Pelicans. They’re
>gonna be some shit.

2699392, This fucking team, I swear
Posted by Marauder21, Sat Jun-15-19 10:23 PM
They draft a generational point guard, can't build around him, trade him to an LA team, the next year get to draft a generational big man, can't build around him, trade him to an LA team, immediately get to draft another generational big man . . . what if this team wasn't just a tax write-off for some greedy football dipshits?
2699359, Bookmarked
Posted by blueeclipse, Sat Jun-15-19 06:43 PM
Classic OKP kneejerk bullshit. They're getting a ton of young talent......ANOTHER top 5 pick and Zion and you're trying to shit on this. Ok.
2699366, I simply don't think Ball or Hart are talented.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Sat Jun-15-19 07:13 PM
2699373, How can anyone not shit on it?
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jun-15-19 07:36 PM
Ball can't shoot or even make free throws, and he can't stay healthy. Good defender, good passer, but that won't mean anything if he is totally ineffective shooting and/or can't stay healthy. His value and BI's value definitely went *down* since the deadline, yet Kuzma comes out of the deal. Hart is a common player, not a guy you really go out of your way to get. Then again 15-20 years ago just the No. 4 pick would have been respectable return, I guess, but today when stars get fair-ish value, this is a suspect deal.
2699621, Edit: I didn't see all the pick conditions, that changes my view.
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Jun-18-19 04:16 PM
They basically control any worthwhile assets the Lakers have between 2021 and 2026, a period that probably extends beyond when they will be contending, at least with this group.

The lack of a central piece is a little troubling but maybe Ingram will stay healthy and be that. Plus they have two assets likely to flip here.
2699378, I doubt any will be a perinnial ALL NBA guy
Posted by isaaaa, Sat Jun-15-19 07:54 PM

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2699369, right..it's not like NO has most exciting rookie to come
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Sat Jun-15-19 07:24 PM
in the NBA since Lebron...

2699356, https://www.instagram.com/p/Byv16RGjCA7/?igshid=1mel9xsq5ie7o
Posted by Oak27, Sat Jun-15-19 06:18 PM
https://www.instagram.com/p/Byv16RGjCA7/?igshid=1mel9xsq5ie7o
2699370, Keeping Kuz is a massive W for the Lakers.
Posted by Vex_id, Sat Jun-15-19 07:24 PM
And they've still got space to maneuver/attract another star.

Imagine Kemba/Jimmy B. joining this team?

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2699383, I’m extremely happy we kept Kuzmania
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sat Jun-15-19 09:15 PM
2699388, particularly with Zo and BI's questionable health - it's a huge W
Posted by Vex_id, Sat Jun-15-19 09:39 PM
Kuz to me fit best alongside Bron out of all the Lakers - and he'll be a great complementary 3rd/4th option on this team.
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2699372, "Too big to fail" type bailout, Pitfalls for Pels and Klutch for the win
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jun-15-19 07:34 PM
Big winner here, Rich Paul, muscled this like a muthafucka. Brilliant maneuvering by him to force this to happen.

The league always has a hand in the big deals and this was like a bank bailout for the Lakers. They fucked up for years but were "too big to fail."

You wanna say "OH BUT THEY GAVE UP A LOT?" Did they? Two guys coming off season-ending injuries, one of which has had a series of injuries and the other of which may have a chronic condition. They keep Kuzma. The No. 4 pick is a nice chip but without it they aren't even in business here and it's far from a lock for a star in this draft.

Nice deal for the Lakers, especially because by my count they still have well over $30M in cap space. That's enough to create a big three then use the MLE, vet min, etc to fill out the roster. Kuz is still on a cheap deal, obviously.
2699463, if that were true then the league owed us one after the Chris Paul trade...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-17-19 08:42 AM
veto bullshit
2699468, though they can't afford him
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Jun-17-19 08:50 AM
wouldn't it be hilarious af if Chris Paul came to the Lakers
2699619, ultimately the commish works for the owners.
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Jun-18-19 04:12 PM
he can't have a riot on his hands over the irresponsible actions of a team controlled by the league. gone over ... over and over.

the lakers kept pau and odom and managed to make their super team move anyway, which fell flat on its fucking face. i can't believe people are still crying about that.

this was a weird trade. bron/paul forced the pelicans but also kind of forced the lakers here. we'll see what the pels do with the pick and with ball and if BI stays healthy. potentially good trade for both teams, but we'll see. obviously for the lakers it all depends on results. if they win a chip or more, huge win. if they don't, they just repeated the mistakes of the howard/nash fiasco.
2699379, 😎
Posted by CyrenYoung, Sat Jun-15-19 07:58 PM
..wait for it.



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
2699380, I'm all for Kemba coming......
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Sat Jun-15-19 08:04 PM
I'd certainly take him over Kyrie...


but we have to be strategic here..

we have no guards on the roster..

if you spend bigger on one, the other guard is going to be cheaper..

so if you sign Kemba… i'd assume KCP would be back..

I mean that's cool.....

but we have other options..

you could spend more on a SG....and then less on a point...bring Rondo back..... Patrick Beverly is a free agent...

it's going to be interesting...

but having AD..and keeping Kuzma…… that's giving us something to build on into the future.... so even though we gave up 3 solid young players..

we didn't completely mortgage our future...

btw...would have preferred moving Kuzma instead of BI...

but hey... it's a business.
2699385, Even though he was milk carton status at times in the Finals I like...
Posted by ThaTruth, Sat Jun-15-19 09:20 PM
Danny Green.

With Bron, AD and another elite guard he’d be shooting wide open jumpers all day.

His performance in the Finals may allow us to get him cheap. He can knock down the open J and is a solid perimeter defender.
2699387, Green did go off for one game, but overall was underwhelming.
Posted by Vex_id, Sat Jun-15-19 09:38 PM
That said - if you can nab him on the low you do it in a heartbeat. Snipers with championship experience don't come along often. Green would be a perfect fit for Bron kickouts.

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2699382, Lots of bust potential here but also a wide open West.
Posted by Ryan M, Sat Jun-15-19 08:56 PM
I respect pushing it all in the middle but man...this COULD ago horribly wrong.
2699384, it could go wrong but you have to try.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sat Jun-15-19 09:15 PM
2699386, couldn't have gone worse than staying as is
Posted by Vex_id, Sat Jun-15-19 09:36 PM
The notion that people are upset that BI and Zo got shipped in return for AD? Insanity.

This team is already a contender - and they're not even done.

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2699406, It’s the future picks. Not Zo and BI.
Posted by Ryan M, Sun Jun-16-19 08:35 AM
2699437, I think that's an even worse argument.
Posted by Vex_id, Sun Jun-16-19 05:06 PM
at least Zo & BI have shown some promise (at least as quality starters if not potential future all-stars at some point).

But some random future draft picks? People put way too much stock in the draft. Even if you get a top 5 (hell, even 3) pick - you still need to be blessed with timing to have a superstar like potential even available in a draft.

How many AD's come around in the draft? One per decade?

If you can get AD (in his prime, at that!) - you do it. The hell w/ "draft picks" and some mythical potential future star that may (or may not) emerge.

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2699479, Picks are worth a lot more than that.
Posted by Ryan M, Mon Jun-17-19 09:42 AM
Lotto pick value is obvious. But essentially losing out on 5-7 years of the draft means less cost controlled assets to trade and make moves.
2699482, after the #4 this year there are 2 more picks...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-17-19 09:51 AM
>Lotto pick value is obvious. But essentially losing out on
>5-7 years of the draft means less cost controlled assets to
>trade and make moves.

where are you all getting this 5-7 years shit from?
2699492, It’s #4, 2 more first rounders, and 2 pick swaps
Posted by Ryan M, Mon Jun-17-19 10:47 AM
Plus potential deferment until 2026. So in essence the Pelicans control the Lakers draft picks until then.
2699522, If things go according to plan and everybody stays healthy those picks...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-17-19 02:51 PM
will be at the end of the first round and right now I really don't give a fuck about 2026 we're trying to get back to title contention NOW and AD paired with Bron along with the injuries in GS that time NOW.
2699526, Yes but think back to D12/Nash.
Posted by Ryan M, Mon Jun-17-19 04:10 PM
Sure, D12 was coming off an injury - but he was also 26.

If this year DOESNT go well - what's to keep AD here? We have his bird rights but not supermax potential, so he'll lose money if he leaves but not THAT much (if I have this right). So, if things don't go well, he leaves, then we're stuck with Bron leaving the year after that and NO assets or good picks.

I know worst case scenario isn't likely but it also wasn't likely for D12/Nash/Pau/Kobe.
2699539, We knew Nash was on his last legs coming in, mentally AD is a...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jun-18-19 05:04 AM
different person from D12
2700109, right, they stretched this out a little too far, but oh well
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jun-22-19 11:36 PM
they'll cross that bridge when they come to it. for now they gotta hope everyone stays healthy enough to avoid the lotto in the next two years and that the davis era comes after the lebron era rather than a rebuild that gets stunted by losing a high pick.
2699389, RE: AD to LA
Posted by LegacyNS, Sat Jun-15-19 09:41 PM
KD / Klay out for most if not all of the year.. AD to the Lakers immediately following. Who writes this shit? - lol
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2699391, Any word on what the 3 picks are?
Posted by Marauder21, Sat Jun-15-19 10:20 PM
Besides the 4th pick this year?
2699393, Lakers fleeced them
Posted by Stadiq, Sat Jun-15-19 10:25 PM

Crazy. Isn't this a lower/worse deal than what was leaked at the deadline?

Guys, Zo isn't good. I know you Laker fans really, really, really want him to be good...but he isn't. His ceiling is very low.

This is basically BI and picks for AD- a top 5 player when healthy.


LA fans should be nothing but happy.


2699395, if the pelicans trade davis to LA in february
Posted by dula dibiasi, Sat Jun-15-19 11:37 PM
the lakers aren't in the lottery. by waiting they increased the value of the 2019 pick from the late teens to #4.

they also plan in rerouting that pick to a third team for even more value.

and they essentially control the Lakers draft for the next 7 years.

https://twitter.com/TimBontemps/status/1140085647543193601

No. 4 pick in 2019
Top-8 protected in 2021, becomes unprotected in ‘22
Unprotected swap in ‘23
Unprotected first in ‘24
Unprotected swap in ‘25

...

that's an absurd return for a guy with one foot out the door, who the Lakers could have signed outright in a year for free.

no way did the pels get fleeced here. this is excellent work by david griffin. I'd go so far as rating it an A+ for them, depending on what they get back for the #4.
2699398, they completed the entire "Process" in a month
Posted by cgonz00cc, Sat Jun-15-19 11:59 PM
they have a 10 year foundation right today
2699400, None of them picks gonna amount to shit
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sun Jun-16-19 12:50 AM
And Zion is bolting after his rookie extension deal is up. The pelicans will be back here in like 6 years or whenever that is
2699403, you know what the Lakers record will be in 2025?
Posted by dula dibiasi, Sun Jun-16-19 07:08 AM
and what Zion will decide to do in 2026?

can i get next week's powerball numbers while you're at it, miss cleo?
2699445, He called him "Miss Cleo"....nigga, I spit out my Abbey Ale
Posted by Orbit_Established, Sun Jun-16-19 08:58 PM
>and what Zion will decide to do in 2026?
>
>can i get next week's powerball numbers while you're at it,
>miss cleo?
2699409, that's incorrect they got 3 picks not 4
Posted by ThaTruth, Sun Jun-16-19 08:52 AM
2699412, RIF
Posted by dula dibiasi, Sun Jun-16-19 09:10 AM
2699465, you're overstating, at the end of the day they got 3 picks not 5. They...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-17-19 08:47 AM
got the #4 this year and the next 2 if things go according to plan will be at the end of the first round
2699620, If they get 8/10 from Atlanta for 4, that would be wild. Might flip Ball, too
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Jun-18-19 04:14 PM
TBD on both ends here but high potential from both. Griffin did great work under challenging circumstances here. They had to trade AD and they had to trade him to the Lakers. Usually that gives the other side insane leverage. Not this time.
2699420, This isnt even close to a fleece
Posted by Sofian_Hadi, Sun Jun-16-19 11:21 AM
In this day and age of random injuries, getting the biggest haul in NBA history for one player that wasnt going to be there anyway is a win for the Pelicans. Lakers have FIVE players left on their roster so once again they are going to surround Lebron with a bunch of old washed up dudes and AD
2699421, This is the worst take I've ever seen
Posted by pretentious username, Sun Jun-16-19 11:26 AM
I think the Lakers and their fans should be very happy, but to say they fleeced the Pels is absurd. There are SO many ways this could go wrong for LA (ask the Nets) and they were clearly bidding against themselves.
2699622, against themselves and against time
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Jun-18-19 04:18 PM
they just took the attitude of "why trade for him, he'll sign later" with PG and Kawhi. they couldn't afford to punt and have another season of lebron's waning prime in limbo. they kind of had to make the move now. they did get bent over on the picks though, so many ways that that could go sideways for them like you said.

if the pels keep ball and ingram and they both keep getting hurt, they still have all the picks, which would have been pretty normal return for a star not that long ago.
2699431, This is the same situation as the Melo trade (Davis was lame duck)
Posted by FILF, Sun Jun-16-19 02:23 PM
The Pels got PLENTY for an expiring contract who was going to sign w/ the team he was traded to anyway.
2699435, Yeah Ball is trash, and Ingram is a luxury 4th option
Posted by isaaaa, Sun Jun-16-19 04:58 PM

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2699397, I like it for both sides
Posted by Rjcc, Sat Jun-15-19 11:44 PM
pelicans have a lot of potential, I really like the zo/zion combination if they stick with that, and potentially a nice haul of picks too.


lakers gotta go in now. ain't no waiting, the time is ticking on lebron. do what you gotta do.


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2699416, Name modern NBA superstars worth 3 talented young players + three firsts
Posted by Kira, Sun Jun-16-19 10:20 AM
.....

Prime Jordan
Prime Kobe
Prime Bron

Add on


Lonzo about to get traded for another first.

If AD leaves next year this makes the Dwight trade look good.
2699417, nonissue. i wouldnt bother considering the possibility
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sun Jun-16-19 10:32 AM

>
>If AD leaves next year
2699418, Lakers are trying to win a ring right now
Posted by legsdiamond, Sun Jun-16-19 11:18 AM
Not 5 years from now.

Bron and AD and another Max slot puts them in a position to win next year.

He’s worth it.
2699423, Lakers have FIVE players and not enough cap space
Posted by Sofian_Hadi, Sun Jun-16-19 11:35 AM
They will be entertaining but it will be AD and Lebron surrounded by a bunch of flea market bums. Pelicans won this trade
2699426, RE: Lakers have FIVE players and not enough cap space
Posted by Johnny, Sun Jun-16-19 12:25 PM
yes its will be very interesting to see how they fill out the roster

it'll be very top heavy especially if they try to get another max slot guy

probably going to see alot of ring chasing vets trying to sign for the min.
2699424, Oh good. Pelinkas idiocy is showing.
Posted by Ryan M, Sun Jun-16-19 11:52 AM
2699443, how so? they landed their 2 biggest targets.
Posted by Reeq, Sun Jun-16-19 08:08 PM
2 of the top 5 (or just below) players in the league.

that's already a win. i dont even care how they got there or what the rest of the roster looks like.

if they nab a 3rd big dawg...thats just piling on at the point.

2 or 3 of the most sought-after players for the last 2 years (1 or 2 strictly under pelinka) going to a franchise that was a running joke like a week ago.

they kept the young 2nd best player on the team (which was a sticking point). and the 2 most valuable pieces they gave up might be health liabilities theyd be looking to unload in another season or two anyway (and may not even pan out *if* healthy).

wheres the idiocy?
2699446, Not finalizing the trade on 7/30
Posted by Ryan M, Sun Jun-16-19 09:55 PM
And thus losing 12 mil in cap space

Look landing AD is huge - but if there isn’t a 3rd max (or even 32 mil to break up to round out the roster) its a way bigger gamble.
2699457, Yep. This is my concern going forward.
Posted by Cold Truth, Mon Jun-17-19 07:59 AM
We were in the mix because Rich Paul killer the market.

We then bid against ourselves.

All of which is fine, but then Rob got taken to the woodshed not just with the picks, but with the over the top amount of control given to NO for the picks.

Which is, potentially, a lot, and could cause serious damage down the line.

But then, it appears, he essentially gave away 12 mil in cap space.

Which, again, is a lot. We got the biggest/best prize in the deal, so cool.

But it also speaks volumes on Pelinka's abilities, and is a fine example of Jeanie's nepotistic leanings.

We're in great shape to contend, but Rob may well find a way to fuck up a good thing with stupid shit like this.
2699429, I admit to not understanding the exact cap mechanics
Posted by B9, Sun Jun-16-19 02:14 PM
How do you fill 8 spaces with only $20m in the modern NBA? And if they get to the 125% rule, doesn’t that kill them in year two and three? That said, glad this happened sooner than later to end the drama.
2699430, See '10-'11 Heatles (Joel Anthony/James Jones types)
Posted by FILF, Sun Jun-16-19 02:21 PM
>How do you fill 8 spaces with only $20m in the modern NBA?
>And if they get to the 125% rule, doesn’t that kill them in
>year two and three? That said, glad this happened sooner than
>later to end the drama.
2699467, RE: I admit to not understanding the exact cap mechanics
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-17-19 08:49 AM
>How do you fill 8 spaces with only $20m in the modern NBA?
>And if they get to the 125% rule, doesn’t that kill them in
>year two and three? That said, glad this happened sooner than
>later to end the drama.

You can go over the cap with minimum contracts to fill out your roster.
2700103, Minimum contracts primarily. I think their MLE is still available, too
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jun-22-19 11:15 PM
Conceivably they could split the MLE between two guys and then fill out the roster with expiring deals.

We'll see what happens with all this shit as far as Wagner and the other guy (names escapes me) as well as AD's trade kicker. Maybe they won't have enough for a max guy and will pursue a second-tier guy plus some role players.
2699433, I'm looking forward to see Kyrie in a Laker uniform.
Posted by Frank Longo, Sun Jun-16-19 03:13 PM
2699434, Roc Nation --> BK
Posted by FILF, Sun Jun-16-19 04:38 PM
2699438, I’d rather have D’Angelo
Posted by guru0509, Sun Jun-16-19 05:51 PM
>
2699464, would be cool if D-Lo came back to the Lakers based on this
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Jun-17-19 08:46 AM
2699474, DLo is my preferred target. in part because of his age, and the lower price tag
Posted by Cold Truth, Mon Jun-17-19 09:25 AM
in part because he's an exciting player to watch and another great ball handler.

gotta get that fg% up but yeah.
2699493, what do you think his price tag is? phoenix indy & orlando will pay up
Posted by guru0509, Mon Jun-17-19 11:07 AM
>in part because he's an exciting player to watch and another
>great ball handler.
>
>gotta get that fg% up but yeah.
2699501, you think PHX will pay big dollars for him with Booker, there?...
Posted by Dstl1, Mon Jun-17-19 12:03 PM
who plays off the ball?
2699502, No idea but those are the teams I’ve seen mentioned
Posted by guru0509, Mon Jun-17-19 12:23 PM
>who plays off the ball?

Booker has lobbied for him to go to Phoenix in the past who knows

Utah
Phoenix
Indy
Orlando and someone else I’m forgetting

And according to Nets insiders they’re (Marks and Atkinson) not opposed to a Kyrie Dlo backcourt they think they can be better than Portland’s duo

Can’t wait for fagency
2699505, yeah, going to be a fun...crazy how NBA strongarms the whole summer
Posted by Dstl1, Mon Jun-17-19 12:34 PM
.
2699520, He'll get the max, which we'd have to pay
Posted by Cold Truth, Mon Jun-17-19 02:25 PM
I like the balance of age and youth with that squad: AD, Brawn, Kuz and DLo.

I like the dynamics of that team.

I doubt he'd take it from us with other, untainted options out there, but I think that would be a good fit for all involved.
2699521, hell naw lol
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-17-19 02:35 PM
2699442, if they pull a 2nd max guy what will the rest of that roster look like?
Posted by Reeq, Sun Jun-16-19 07:50 PM
kuz, melo, bronny jr, 7 okp members, former military dude at the y, dj khaled (marketing deal)...
2699448, lmao
Posted by Sofian_Hadi, Mon Jun-17-19 01:10 AM
2699466, Why couldn't they just sign all the guys that were already there?
Posted by auragin_boi, Mon Jun-17-19 08:49 AM
Lakers don't care about the luxury tax. The league allows you to go over the cap to sign your own players/fill out the roster (Vet mins/exceptions).

AD
Bron
One mo' max
Kuz
JaVale
Rondo
Born Ready
Chandler
KCP
Wagner
Williams
Bonga
Caruso
Bullock
Muscala

Maybe replace a few with ring chasing vets but this team would be very competitive and likely the 2020 favorites.
2699473, they could.... but "should" is a more appropriate question.
Posted by Cold Truth, Mon Jun-17-19 09:18 AM
>Lakers don't care about the luxury tax. The league allows
>you to go over the cap to sign your own players/fill out the
>roster (Vet mins/exceptions).

Yes, but this goes back to the issue with the picks, and Rob apparently getting got for the money that would have gone toward that max slot.

We resign all these guys. Cool.

You be be ok with us riding out with a top heavy roster with poorly fitting parts surrounding said heavies... which makes sense, given that you're not a Lakers fan.

Objectively, there's a major problem with that scenario:

W sign all those players. At that point, we have no tradable assets. We have a big ol bag of dildos, with no picks to grease them with.

So if we have needs to fill, that scenario leaves us with precious little wiggle room to do that.

That's before discussing the poor fit of many of them.

so going inti the tax, particularly in multiple years, is problematic. not because we cant afford to pay it, but because it severely limits our ability to tweak things as needed.

it's not just a case of rich people having problems too. it's just reality, and long term success and health of this team is poorly served by going deep into the tax for the likes of Born Ready.

it's easy to just say "hey you got brawn and AD!", and say fuck it with the rest, but that's not how an elite franchise should operate.

>AD
>Bron

>One mo' max

That one mo max isn't there, because Rob didn't make this deal contingent upon the date needed to keep that max slot.

this could change, but that's where things stand for now.

>Kuz

Good keep.

>JaVale
>Rondo
>Born Ready
>Chandler
>KCP
>Wagner
>Williams
>Bonga
>Caruso
>Bullock
>Muscala

^^^^a huge mixed bag. At a glance, I'd keep Bullock, Rondo, Caruso. The rest depend on price tags and what else we got.

>Maybe replace a few with ring chasing vets but this team would
>be very competitive and likely the 2020 favorites.

this doesn't mean we need to just say fuck it, and not take a disciplined approach to building around AD and Brawn.
2699488, As a laker fan though, you're not seeing it for what it is...
Posted by auragin_boi, Mon Jun-17-19 10:15 AM
>Yes, but this goes back to the issue with the picks, and Rob
>apparently getting got for the money that would have gone
>toward that max slot.

You have AD, Bron and potentially another Max player. Any picks this team would have gotten would be late 1st anyway.

And let's actually look at the trade:

"The future picks going to the Pelicans include a 2021 pick that will go to New Orleans if it is in the top eight in that year's draft -- and will become an unprotected pick in 2022 if it isn't -- sources told ESPN's Tim Bontemps.

In addition, the deal includes a pick swap in 2023, which is unprotected, as well as an unprotected first-round pick in 2024 that the Pelicans will have the right to defer until 2025, sources told Bontemps."

So a pick in 2 yrs if it's top 8, goes to the Pelicans...so if it's NOT in the top 8, he Lakers keep it. You think the lakers will be one of the worst 8 teams in the league in 2 seasons?

A pick swap in 2023...so you don't lose your first, you just have to give up your earlier slot to NO if you suck worst than them. But you still get a pick.

And then finally a REAL pick in 2024 that they can defer a yr.

So by my count, the Lakers still get 2 picks in this deal and don't lose one until 3 and 6 yrs from now. So maybe a rebuild post-AD has to last 1 extra season. *shrug* Especially if they get 1-2 titles out of it.

Lakers Future picks:
2020 - 1st and 2nd rounders
2021 - 1st if it's outside of the top 8 (otherwise NO's)
2022 - 1st and 2nd rounders (they lose the first if 2021's isn't conveyed)
2023 - 1st and 2nd rounders (but 1st is swappable with NO)
2024 - 2nd rounder (and potentially 1st if NO defers)
2025 - 1st and 2nd rounders (unless NO defers the 1st here)

>We resign all these guys. Cool.
>
>You be be ok with us riding out with a top heavy roster with
>poorly fitting parts surrounding said heavies... which makes
>sense, given that you're not a Lakers fan.
>
>Objectively, there's a major problem with that scenario:
>
>W sign all those players. At that point, we have no tradable
>assets. We have a big ol bag of dildos, with no picks to
>grease them with.
>
>So if we have needs to fill, that scenario leaves us with
>precious little wiggle room to do that.
>
>That's before discussing the poor fit of many of them.

Ok, the issue with alladis: your roster is top heavy. You're not the Warriors and you landed the two biggest FA names on the market two summers running. No way you're not going to be top heavy. It is what it is. The tradeable assets thing is off as well...you still have second round picks, you can deal for the top 8 levied pick and the swap pick. So if the Lakers are still good in 2 seasons (strong possibility) that's a tradeable pick (and we've seen Sacramento do this with Boston/Philly recently).

Poor fit is subjective. Maybe they were a poor fit with the prior cast. AD and Rondo had the best season of his NO career. Lakers were on pace to be a top 4 seed before Bron got hurt. Adding Chandler helped with the depth and defense. Some of the rookies showed promise last year. Why can't the lakers develop what they have and also rely on seasoned vets who know how to play. Only thing this roster might need a bit more of is shooters. But scoring won't be an issue at all for this team. Too many weapons.

>so going inti the tax, particularly in multiple years, is
>problematic. not because we cant afford to pay it, but because
>it severely limits our ability to tweak things as needed.
>
>it's not just a case of rich people having problems too. it's
>just reality, and long term success and health of this team is
>poorly served by going deep into the tax for the likes of Born
>Ready.
>
>it's easy to just say "hey you got brawn and AD!", and say
>fuck it with the rest, but that's not how an elite franchise
>should operate.

You don't sign the supporting cast of a top heavy team to long term deals. That's fool-hearty. That's why you see the change to the Warriors depth. They've had to rely on vets looking to get a ring who could add to their talent and developing their late 1st and second round picks. Lakers will be operating the same. Having the max players pretty much guarantees you're paying the luxury tax unless you've been very fortunate early in the process (i.e. not the Lakers).

Long term Success = Bron for 3 more years and the ability to have AD for 6. They can compete for a title for 2 seasons minimum and then Bron's off the boat and retired. His cap comes back into the fold before the last pick is even conveyed to NO. If they sign another max player, that'll be 4yrs at most and likely for a younger player so you'll get their prime and only have to eat that salary for a yr after Bron is gone.


>>AD
>>Bron
>
>>One mo' max
>
>That one mo max isn't there, because Rob didn't make this deal
>contingent upon the date needed to keep that max slot.
>
>this could change, but that's where things stand for now.

A few moves could free up 9 mil in space, maybe trading a player and a second rounder to a team for an expiring deal and cash. It's not a longshot that this can happen.

>>Kuz
>
>Good keep.
>
>>JaVale
>>Rondo
>>Born Ready
>>Chandler
>>KCP
>>Wagner
>>Williams
>>Bonga
>>Caruso
>>Bullock
>>Muscala
>
>^^^^a huge mixed bag. At a glance, I'd keep Bullock, Rondo,
>Caruso. The rest depend on price tags and what else we got.

Pricetags would be vet mins or exceptions for most and slightly more (if possible) for those deemed most important. All 1 yrs deals or 2 with a team option for the second yr. Most of those guys aren't going to command a boat load of cash on the open market.


>this doesn't mean we need to just say fuck it, and not take a
>disciplined approach to building around AD and Brawn.

But it has been disciplined. You're not looking at it from the right angle.
2699480, RE: Why couldn't they just sign all the guys that were already there?
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jun-17-19 09:42 AM
>Lakers don't care about the luxury tax. The league allows
>you to go over the cap to sign your own players/fill out the
>roster (Vet mins/exceptions).
>
>AD
>Bron
>One mo' max
>Kuz
>JaVale
>Rondo
>Born Ready - doubt it
>Chandler
>KCP - doubt it
>Wagner
>Williams - doubt it
>Bonga
>Caruso - doubt it
>Bullock - doubt it
>Muscala - doubt it
>
>Maybe replace a few with ring chasing vets but this team would
>be very competitive and likely the 2020 favorites.
2699486, I would think LeBron would want shooters on this squad.
Posted by Numba_33, Mon Jun-17-19 10:02 AM
Most of those one year signings were before LeBron landed, right? I highly doubt the front office would sign off on those same dudes again. Didn't LeBron on multiple instances literally distance himself from the team while on the bench? Why repeat those signings when it appears the Lakers are trying to cater to him and this win now mode?
2699489, He distanced himself from the young guys who were butthurt about
Posted by auragin_boi, Mon Jun-17-19 10:17 AM
the trade talk.

Not the vets per say (at least that's what I recall)
2699487, those were 1-year contracts, i think Bird rights kick in after 3
Posted by Kungset, Mon Jun-17-19 10:06 AM
2699490, And they'd be 1yr contracts again:
Posted by auragin_boi, Mon Jun-17-19 10:24 AM
1 LeBron James $35,654,150
2 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope $12,000,000
3 Rajon Rondo $9,000,000
4 Mike Muscala $5,000,000
5 Lance Stephenson $4,449,000
6 Reggie Bullock $2,500,000
7 JaVale McGee $2,393,887
8 Tyson Chandler $2,393,887
9 Moritz Wagner $1,762,080
10 Kyle Kuzma $1,689,840
11 Isaac Bonga $1,000,000
12 Andre Ingram $76,236
13 Scott Machado $47,37

Rondo might be the one that costs the most. KCP won't get $12 mil with LA so he might move on. He's replaceable though.
2699653, Teams can only go over the cap to re-sign if they have Bird Rights
Posted by FILF, Tue Jun-18-19 07:16 PM
>1 LeBron James $35,654,150
>2 Kentavious Caldwell-Pope $12,000,000
>3 Rajon Rondo $9,000,000
>4 Mike Muscala $5,000,000
>5 Lance Stephenson $4,449,000
>6 Reggie Bullock $2,500,000
>7 JaVale McGee $2,393,887
>8 Tyson Chandler $2,393,887
>9 Moritz Wagner $1,762,080
>10 Kyle Kuzma $1,689,840
>11 Isaac Bonga $1,000,000
>12 Andre Ingram $76,236
>13 Scott Machado $47,37
>
>Rondo might be the one that costs the most. KCP won't get $12
>mil with LA so he might move on. He's replaceable though.
2699690, Man, y'all need to actually READ the rules before commenting
Posted by auragin_boi, Wed Jun-19-19 08:52 AM
NON-BIRD EXCEPTION -- This is also a component of the Veteran Free Agent exception. Its name is somewhat of a misnomer, since Non-Bird really is a form of Bird rights. Players who qualify for this exception are called "Non-Qualifying Veteran Free Agents" in the CBA. They are veteran free agents who are neither Qualifying Veteran Free Agents nor Early Qualifying Veteran Free Agents, and include the following:

Players who finished the season with a given team, who have played no more than one season without clearing waivers or changing teams as a free agent.
Players who were Early Bird free agents, but whose team renounced its right to use the Early Bird exception to re-sign the player.
Players who were to be Larry Bird or Early Bird free agents, were playing on one-year contracts, and were traded mid-season.
This exception allows a team to re-sign its own free agent to a salary starting at up to 120% of his salary in the previous season (not over the maximum salary, of course), 120% of the minimum salary, or the amount needed to tender a qualifying offer (if the player is a restricted free agent -- see question number 42), whichever is greater. Raises are limited to 5% of the salary in the first year of the contract, and contracts are limited to four seasons when this exception is used.

A partial season counts as a full season for the tenure calculation related to Bird rights. If a team signs another team's free agent to a Rest-of-Season contract mid-way through the season, then at the end of that season the player is a non-Bird free agent.


^^^^^^^^^This falls under the cap 'exceptions' along with bird rights and early bird rights.

Every dude who finished the season on their roster is eligible to be resigned and push them over the cap. They just have to sign the max players first.

Oh and never mind there's a minimum roster requirement so:

MINIMUM PLAYER SALARY EXCEPTION -- Teams can offer players minimum salary contracts even if they are over the cap. Contracts can be up to two years in length. In a two-year contract, the salary in the second year is specified in the minimum salary scale in effect when the contract was signed (see question number 22). The contract may not contain a bonus of any kind. This exception can also be used to acquire minimum salary players via trade. There is no limit to the number of players that can be signed or acquired using this exception.
2699531, They have to give up all their Bird Rights
Posted by Premiere, Mon Jun-17-19 08:35 PM
Just to get the cap space needed for the third max guy. They have one 4-5 million exception and minimum deals to fill out the rest of the roster, and those would be the same deals available to them to resign Rondo, Stephenson, McGee, or the others.
2699691, Post 147
Posted by auragin_boi, Wed Jun-19-19 08:56 AM
While you're right about the renouncing...the only one who is on the roster that's eligible for any type of bird rights is KCP and his are early bird rights. Kuz still on the rookie deal.

But post 147 details how they can sign all those guys to go over the cap...but as I said, they have to sign the max players first.

I think most of that team would sign up for a title run with Lebron, AD and another max player. Especially if it was at the same money/with a slight increase on the salary.
2699491, You betta put some respek on The Marine©
Posted by Hitokiri, Mon Jun-17-19 10:31 AM
2699444, This deal worked great for both teams. Rare when all sides win
Posted by Vex_id, Sun Jun-16-19 08:15 PM
in a deal - but the only negotiating piece here was likely a decision for the Pels to accept the fact that Kuz wouldn't be involved. As (some of us) discussed in February - no other team was ever going to offer such an array of assets - but that's only because AD has been intent all along on being in L.A. w/ Kang. Boston would've absolutely dealt Tatum and who TF ever if AD wanted to be in Boston.

He's that rare.

And that's why the Lakers win big w/ this deal. He's easily the most gifted player LeBron has ever played with. Having an athletic big (who can shoot), play elite D, and run the floor effortlessly is an ideal pairing with LeBron (particularly this older version of Bron). AD can carry a massive load and absorb super high mileage. He's in his prime. You give up Zo, BI, Hart & picks to get him *now*. Lakers are now in a position to win right now.

And everyone saying "who else is on the team tho? lul'z"

You start with Bron, AD & Kuz (and manageable cap space) - and you'll figure it out. Target-rich FA environment. This ain't rocket science.

Pels get rich with young, budding talent to cushion Zion's ascent. If he's *that* great - he'll certainly have a chance to showcase it early & often. I'd be excited if I was a Pel fan. Zo & Zion breaks will be special.

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2699447, Definite win win
Posted by Ryan M, Sun Jun-16-19 09:57 PM
Wish the Lakers maintained more cap room (TBD if they do) or and a pick swap but still hard to argue it’s not a win for both sides.
2699557, ‘Can we put some respect on Rob Pelinka’s name? – Jalen Rose
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jun-18-19 01:00 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rx4-UPbYb8
2699618, why? this was Klutch's doing and Pelinka gave up a lot
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Jun-18-19 04:09 PM
The No. 4 in place of Kuz is a better fit for both teams. He didn't have to take on Solomon Hill's contract but he did have to give away the Lakers' entire future with picks and pick-swap options.

I get that the Lakers didn't want to punt on this and a trade plus a signing now makes way more sense than a signing, a series of trades and another signing next season given their situation. But did he pull a rabbit out of a hat here? No, he paid pretty handsomely for Davis and Rich Paul made the whole thing happen.
2699646, I really don't get this "they gave up their future" line of thought
Posted by Vex_id, Tue Jun-18-19 06:23 PM
how do you give up your future when you,

(1) retain Kuz (the most coveted of your young core)
(2) get Anthony F'ing Davis (26 y.o. in his prime)

Even taking LeBron out of the equation - starting with those two pieces gives you at *least* a decade of a hell of a duo to build around. They made their future *brighter* by making this move.

And I don't want to hear about the draft picks. Chances are, those draft picks won't amount to much and they are better off piecing together complementary pieces in free agency.

Also - people always point to the Boston-Brooklyn blockbuster deal (which was dumb as hell for Brooklyn) - but did Brooklyn's future get destroyed? Right now - you'd say absolutely not. They are a playoff team with a lot of young talent, despite that blunder.

But the Lakers secured a much brighter future by acquiring a once in a decade type talent in AD in exchange for Lonzo & BI (two guys who can't stay healthy and don't nearly have the upside of AD obviously). Hart is replaceable AF.


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2699654, LMAO, Kuzman is AT BEST Rudy Gay status...dude is 24 BTW
Posted by FILF, Tue Jun-18-19 07:24 PM
>how do you give up your future when you,
>
>(1) retain Kuz (the most coveted of your young core)
>(2) get Anthony F'ing Davis (26 y.o. in his prime)
>
>Even taking LeBron out of the equation - starting with those
>two pieces gives you at *least* a decade of a hell of a duo to
>build around. They made their future *brighter* by making
>this move.
>
>And I don't want to hear about the draft picks. Chances are,
>those draft picks won't amount to much and they are better off
>piecing together complementary pieces in free agency.
>
>Also - people always point to the Boston-Brooklyn blockbuster
>deal (which was dumb as hell for Brooklyn) - but did
>Brooklyn's future get destroyed? Right now - you'd say
>absolutely not. They are a playoff team with a lot of young
>talent, despite that blunder.
>
>But the Lakers secured a much brighter future by acquiring a
>once in a decade type talent in AD in exchange for Lonzo & BI
>(two guys who can't stay healthy and don't nearly have the
>upside of AD obviously). Hart is replaceable AF.
>
>
>-->
2699672, fine. AD & prime Rudy Gay > the guys who just got traded
Posted by Vex_id, Tue Jun-18-19 09:30 PM
by a mile. by a universe.

it ain't even close.

Lakers *secured* their future with this trade.

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2699682, they have no backcourt, for now or later
Posted by cgonz00cc, Wed Jun-19-19 08:19 AM
and they have no control over their draft until 2026

thats pretty much why people think they gave up their future lol
2699703, lol. They have Anthony freaking Davis.
Posted by Vex_id, Wed Jun-19-19 09:29 AM
and they haven't even added to the team yet. They have a few years of Bron left so it's not exactly urgent for them to find a ball handler. They just need a competent backcourt for the next few years to pair with Bron/Kuz/AD.

The Lakers future is way better off than it was prior to the trade. Stop being insane.

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2699705, right, we have 2 of the top 5 players in the NBA on the same team...
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Jun-19-19 09:38 AM
last year we had 1 of them and was in 4th place before he got hurt.
2700105, yeah i mean it's obvious they mortgaged it but they get two top 10/5 guys
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jun-22-19 11:23 PM
we'll see how they fill out their roster. they didn't do a ton at the draft but they did ok, i guess. the big thing now is how they manage this situation with the cap space. presumably they will either sign a max-ish guard or a second-tier guy (brogdon keeps getting floated, i think the bucks keep him) to give them a little more balanced attack.
2700104, They gave up No. 4 overall plus 2 more picks that are ...
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jun-22-19 11:20 PM
Unknowns, basically NO gets to pick and choose which picks it ends up with. At least one of the picks is likely to stretch beyond LeBron's tenure. Do you think when they gave up the picks for Steve Nash they thought they'd be in the lotto? Shit happens.

Kuz is just a guy. Ingram is a better talent but because there's some uncertainty with his health they kept the guy who's a surer bet in that regard and more physically developed. Let's put it this way, how many teams would have traded the No. 4 pick for Kuz? Probably zero. So they give the same package as before minus Kuz but plus a more valuable asset. They didn't take back Hill's contract but they may not have cap space for a max guy anyway.

So, yes, the draft picks were significant, and hanging onto Kuz doesn't mean a ton when the cost of keeping him is the No. 4 pick.

I am not against the deal but they definitely went all in here. They will have a hangover from this deal after LeBron leaves.
2699648, gave up the future? AD is the future.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Tue Jun-18-19 06:25 PM
all the rest of that shit we gave up is busts and mystery boxes
2699651, RE: he did have to give away the Lakers' entire future
Posted by bentagain, Tue Jun-18-19 06:51 PM
LOL, AD is 26

26.

Bron will still be crab dribbling in 2022

TF are you talking about?

NOLA loses leverage by the day

They would have gotten more from LAL at the trade deadline

As has already been posted
BI = bloodclots, might not even play
Zo = injuries
Hart = solid player, doesn't really move the needle TBH

...and yes, a grip of picks...

You remember (c)

NOLA was offered like 7 players and 2 1st round picks

They declined...and wanted more...allegedly

...is this more...?

You think Dell Demps got fiyah'd because he was taking the LAL to the cleaners?

SMH@the woe is me for a team that just landed the 2 most coveted players in successive seasons

G all the way the fuck outta here WTBS.
2700106, OK, LeBron is 34 with crazy mileage. Davis at 26 also has mileage.
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jun-22-19 11:28 PM

>As has already been posted
>BI = bloodclots, might not even play
>Zo = injuries
>Hart = solid player, doesn't really move the needle TBH

Yes, I was the one who posted it. They got those same guys now as they would have gotten then. And they got No. 4 overall (which turned into 8/17/35/future first) instead of Kuz. My initial reaction was a lot like yours but the more time passes, the more I like the package they got.

>...and yes, a grip of picks...
>
>You remember (c)
>
>NOLA was offered like 7 players and 2 1st round picks

They were offered two firsts plus the same three guys and Kuz.

>They declined...and wanted more...allegedly
>
>...is this more...?

They declined to not cave into the Klutch meddling but their hand was pretty much forced here. Even with essentially unilateral negotiations, the Lakers had to up their offer by including 1) a more valuable asset in place of Kuzma and 2) pick swap options that weren't there previously.

>You think Dell Demps got fiyah'd because he was taking the LAL
>to the cleaners?

He got fired because he had been there forever and they are starting over. Do you think the OWNERSHIP let him handle this all on his own? Please, they were involved every step of the way and if they wanted the deal at the deadline, it would have gotten done.

>SMH@the woe is me for a team that just landed the 2 most
>coveted players in successive seasons
>
>G all the way the fuck outta here WTBS.

What woe is me? All I am stating is the obvious, that they went all in on LeBron's tenure. That makes sense. Not sure why you're mad about it, but then again many of your thoughts are mysteries to me.
2699673, It’s crazy, nobody wanted to give Magic credit for Bron and nobody...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jun-18-19 09:37 PM
wants to give Pelinka credit for AD and at the same time nobody wants to come to the Lakers yet somehow magically got 2 of the top 5 players in the league.
2700107, Magic deserves a ton of credit for Bron and that's a different situation
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jun-22-19 11:32 PM
Magic and some other extraneous factors (Bronnie's HS ball, Hollywood shit) were the reason LeBron ended up in LA. If it were about basketball, he'd have gone to the Sixers or forced his way to another favorable situation, likely in the East. That's also an FA signing where the Lakers gave up nothing.

Here, they give up a lot of assets for a guy who essentially came out and said he'd only play there. Rich Paul putting it out there that a deal to Boston would be a rental left the Lakers as the only game in town. It's true that in some cases the health of Ball and Ingram would have further dissolved the possibility of this deal, but he still ended up *adding* to the deal, not subtracting, putting in the #4 pick in place of Kuzma and adding the pick swaps. He also just bungled a coaching search. I am willing to give Magic and I guess even Pelinka a good amount of credit for LeBron, which was a coup of a signing, but this deal is all LeBron's camp and Pelinka's part seems unimpressive.
2699649, Pelinka's job is just started. Klutch did the heavy lifting, so I can't call it.
Posted by GOMEZ, Tue Jun-18-19 06:47 PM
I can't give him a pass or fail until i see what he puts around Bron and AD. Is he able to get pieces that fit? Does he assemble complimentary parts? or does he go the big name non-shooting scrap heap route like last year?

I can't criticize what he gave up, cuz fuck it, they got AD. If you get the best player who is also 26 years old you almost never lose the trade, so you gotta go for it. That being said, he's gonna have to be Macgyver with the roster from here on out, cuz he's low on assets and can't just straight up outbid for talent.


2700090, lolz
Posted by dula dibiasi, Sat Jun-22-19 05:43 PM
https://www.complex.com/sports/2019/06/los-angeles-lakers-anthony-davis-trade-salary-cap

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/6/20/18693436/anthony-davis-lakers-trade-cap-ramifications

yeah, rob pelinka's a friggin' genius.

*jerkoff wrist motion*

rich gets all and I mean ALL the credit here. he made this happen.

furthermore, I have close to zero faith in that org chart they've got over there being able to put a championship cast around their two studs. their roster is barren right now, and their coffers will be empty after this summer. cap space, draft picks, trade assets. they're shooting their entire load, right now. they used all their good stuff to get AD (and rightfully so)

meaning they're going to have to thread the needle and strike gold *multiple* times over the next few years, with basically no margin for error. I'm talking finding a dejounte or siakam in the 20's, a van vleet level udfa or two, a george hill for kawhi type flip, hitting on every single exception and vet-min guy, etc etc. alladat.

sorry but let's just say that I don't see linda rambis n'em having the nous to pull that off.
2701207, lolz!
Posted by dula dibiasi, Sat Jul-06-19 05:46 AM
rob a genius tho, right?

missed out on how many free agents who could've helped y'all, chasing this kawhi pipe dream.

fucking moron. should've split that shit up a week ago.
2700093, Rob is just as guilty as Magic for every thing that happened last year
Posted by justin_scott, Sat Jun-22-19 08:20 PM
Rob hasn't yet shown to be a good president. Even with this trade, the Lakers forgot about cap space for another star. Rob should have been fired.
2700098, He took Kobe to meet the dead JOKER and got hoed out by Jimmy King in 92!!!
Posted by DJR, Sat Jun-22-19 09:49 PM
Basketball genius!!!!
2699723, Hey guys....
Posted by murph71, Wed Jun-19-19 02:21 PM


Did I miss anything?
2700101, Wayment...so Ron Adams is the Warriors defensive guru????
Posted by Castro, Sat Jun-22-19 11:10 PM
My face: http://thesource.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Mike-Brown.jpg
2700108, How long before OE makes a thread seeking to discredit Ron Adams?
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jun-22-19 11:35 PM
Dude coached at UCSB and with the Sixers, basically followed my path lol.

He's run their defense since 14-15. Coincidence? NOPE.
2700110, What? Ron Adams is the man! Mike Brown an elite hoop mind, tho.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Sun Jun-23-19 09:14 AM
>Dude coached at UCSB and with the Sixers, basically followed
>my path lol.
>
>He's run their defense since 14-15. Coincidence? NOPE.

From Popovich to Lebron, everyone roundly praises
Mike Brown

Only cism keeps him from elite jobs at this point


2700385, Woj reporting Lakers just cleared cap by trading 3 players to Wiz
Posted by auragin_boi, Thu Jun-27-19 01:29 PM
as part of the AD deal. Bonga, Wagner and Jones.

Max slot on deck.

Lakers also extended QO's to Williams and Caruso.
2700390, what it do baybeee? (c) kawhi
Posted by Reeq, Thu Jun-27-19 01:55 PM
2700392, *troll grin*
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Thu Jun-27-19 02:09 PM
2700403, AD waiving his trade kicker too.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jun-27-19 02:45 PM
WE GETTING A 3RD GUY
2700410, I'd still prefer to use that $$$ for high quality depth instead of...
Posted by Creole, Thu Jun-27-19 03:24 PM
>WE GETTING A 3RD GUY

a "3RD GUY."

I wonder if there is already a 'word' that a certain max player will be coming down that way or if it's just to get enough space to chase those high quality 2nd/3rd tier guys that really help to win games and chips.



2700413, i think they got a 3rd guy on deck.
Posted by Reeq, Thu Jun-27-19 03:36 PM
which got rich paul to convince ad to waive his trade bonus. without that assurance...i dont think they would leave that money on the table (like they were reportedly claiming last month).
2700416, WORD! He should have still done it to help them build it out...
Posted by Creole, Thu Jun-27-19 03:41 PM
>which got rich paul to convince ad to waive his trade bonus.
>without that assurance...i dont think they would leave that
>money on the table (like they were reportedly claiming last
>month).

Really intrigued now by who that 3rd guy may be.

Edit:

DLo / Seth / DeAndre Jordan (or some other very nice combination of 2nd and 3rd tier guys) could split that $30+ million instead of giving it all (or mostly) to one dude. Let's see Rob go to work for this one.
2700422, the name of the game is options.
Posted by CyrenYoung, Thu Jun-27-19 06:15 PM



*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
2700425, RE: WORD! He should have still done it to help them build it out...
Posted by murph71, Thu Jun-27-19 08:20 PM

>DLo / Seth / DeAndre Jordan (or some other very nice
>combination of 2nd and 3rd tier guys) could split that $30+
>million instead of giving it all (or mostly) to one dude.
>Let's see Rob go to work for this one.


The smart move^^^^
2704536, He’s hurt already?
Posted by ThaTruth, Sat Oct-12-19 03:32 PM
2704543, mild thumb injury
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sat Oct-12-19 04:38 PM