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2699296, Load management: The phenomenon
Posted by c71, Fri Jun-14-19 07:55 PM
Yep, I'm sort of not sure about this but....

Kawhi responded to physical problems with the Spurs with a demand for "load management", Kawhi got load management from the Raptors, that worked (won the finals)....


Will most top players demand load management too...in light of Kawhi being proved "right"?

The more I listen to the sports commentators, they keep attributing seeming ALL injuries (Lebron, KD) to stars being "overplayed" seeming week after week, so.....


Is there any way the GM's, coaches, can stop top players from getting "load management" now?
2699299, the Spurs already do load management
Posted by Rjcc, Fri Jun-14-19 08:03 PM
LeBron's done it for years.

Golden State was already doing it.

not to the extent that kawhi did, but kawhi has had problems with tendinitis that cut short his *rookie season*

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2699300, If Kawhi's load management has an extent that is "extra"
Posted by c71, Fri Jun-14-19 08:09 PM
is the Spurs, Lebron's and Golden State's "load management" barely.....anything.....when compared to Kawhi's "load management"?

Sort of like my studying in Law School compared to those who actually completed law school...do I deserve to even compare my amount of "studying" to theirs?
2699306, I'm going to sound crazy, but different people need different things.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Fri Jun-14-19 09:32 PM


O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"

"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
2699307, One of the commentators I just listened to brought up
Posted by c71, Fri Jun-14-19 09:49 PM
how many stars like KD and Lebron keep getting put in game after game for 40+ minutes....

that sounds very different than what Kawhi just got with his load management


Different people may need different things but....Kawhi just got a title with his thing...so....it would be pretty strange if no other top player would not be "influenced" by that kind of success.

2699311, I hear you, don't disagree
Posted by Orbit_Established, Fri Jun-14-19 10:52 PM

>Different people may need different things but....Kawhi just
>got a title with his thing...so....it would be pretty strange
>if no other top player would not be "influenced" by that kind
>of success.

Kawhi's control over his body hopefully changes how
athletes treat their bodies

The key reason Kawhi's situation so big is that he
had an open conflict with his team over his injury.
his team openly said he lied

But I think Lebron James is really the modern
basketball player who set the trend on this. This is part
of why those 8 Finals in a row is so legendary: it is
incredibly hard to play that late into the year every year

2699322, Kawhi has put another step in the revolution of players controlling
Posted by B.J.S.301, Sat Jun-15-19 06:47 AM
their destiny. Players having much more control over their bodies and health. It's such a good thing to watch.

LeBron is still the pioneer of it all, but Kawhi putting another step to it is definitely refreshing.
2709221, Lebron thinks that way, but Kawhi doesn't Lol
Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Dec-19-19 01:04 PM

Kawhi just do what he feels like

Not mad at it

Good for him, I just find it funny


O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"

"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
2709244, lol right - Kawhi is looking out for Kawhi
Posted by Vex_id, Thu Dec-19-19 07:36 PM
and good for him - but this isn't some movement that's going to send shockwaves across the league - like LeBron's trail-blazing moves have via player mobility and players commanding their labor rights. You have ample of examples of players following in his footsteps (KD, Kyrie, and essentially the entire league last season lol).

Kawhi is a special, individual case of a player demanding load management and to miss essentially 1/3rd of the season no matter what - but it's not something that he's doing as a trail-blazer - it's just something that Kawhi wants to do, damned if it has an impact or not.
2709202, "Why wouldn’t I play if I’m healthy?" uh, the road to injury, maybe?
Posted by c71, Thu Dec-19-19 12:12 AM
“Why wouldn’t I play if I’m healthy? It doesn’t make any sense to me,” James told reporters following the Lakers’ win in Atlanta on Sunday. “My obligation is to play for my teammates. If I’m healthy, then I’m going to play. If coach sits me out, then I’m not healthy. It’s just that simple.”


Doc Rivers' comments were a shot at Lakers organization, not LeBron — Broussard | NBA | UNDISPUTED


Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED

Shannon Sharpe: If I was them owners, you know what I'd do? I'd start load managing some of these contracts. I'mma load manage those - 'cause you getting paid on a game basis - I'mma load these contracts.

So....uh, it seems there IS something not "settled" on this - as far as how much other teams (players) will get real "load management" (or if they just can't/won't because owners WANT TO GET ALL THEY CAN FROM THE PLAYERS - NO MATTER WHAT (injuries).


Opinion: Doc Rivers' shot at LeBron James stirs more debate over load management, handling of Kawhi Leonard

Mark Medina, USA TODAY Published 6:56 a.m. ET Dec. 18, 2019 |

Updated 9:48 a.m. ET Dec. 18, 2019

LOS ANGELES — The words will add some spice to a possible rivalry. They likely suggest that Clippers coach Doc Rivers interpreted LeBron James' dismissal of "load management" as a subtle dig on how the Clippers have handled Kawhi Leonard.

“It’s our philosophy. I don’t know what theirs are,” Rivers said of the Lakers. “I think theirs is whatever LeBron says it is, to be honest.”

It is not fair to compare the attitude that James and Leonard have toward load management. Their views have differed mostly because of their differing circumstances.

James sounded incredulous when questioned on if he has considered following a load management program this season.

“Why wouldn’t I play if I’m healthy? It doesn’t make any sense to me,” James told reporters following the Lakers’ win in Atlanta on Sunday. “My obligation is to play for my teammates. If I’m healthy, then I’m going to play. If coach sits me out, then I’m not healthy. It’s just that simple.”

James has played in all of the Lakers’ 27 games in his 17th NBA season after missing 27 contests last season with a strained left groin.Even if he is less than two weeks away from turning 35 years old, James has nearly mirrored his career averages in points (26.1 points) and shooting percentage (50.2%) while remaining on pace in setting a career-high in assists (10.7).

Leonard has missed nine games because of continued complications in the patella tendon in his left knee, an injury that affected him during his final year in San Antonio and even when he won an NBA championship last season in Toronto. Because of those concerns, Leonard has not played entirely in the Clippers’ five sets of back-to-backs.

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Clippers forward Paul George (left) and forward Kawhi Leonard watch from the bench in the fourth quarter against the Suns at Staples Center.
Clippers forward Paul George (left) and forward Kawhi Leonard watch from the bench in the fourth quarter against the Suns at Staples Center. (Photo: Kirby Lee, USA TODAY Sports)
In the Clippers’ 120-99 win over the Phoenix Suns on Tuesday at Staples Center, Leonard finished with 20 points on 7-of-14 shooting in only 27 minutes. That happened two nights after sitting in the Clippers’ loss in Chicago, which marked the second night of a back-to-back and the team’s sixth road game in eight nights.

Leonard insisted “I feel good,” as he has averaged 25.8 points on 45.9 percent shooting along with 7.9 rebounds and 5.1 assists in 31.5 minutes per game. Rivers admitted that Leonard has “been up and down” with finding his rhythm.

When James was not healthy last season, he was among one of many NBA players that adopted the load management program. That included Leonard, who played 60 games last season in Toronto and still looked noticeably hobbled en route to winning a Finals MVP in June. Nearly six months later, Leonard still feels enough pain to require extensive treatment after games and on off days.

Because of their stature, James and Leonard have exerted their influence on how the Lakers and Clippers handle their respective workloads. Vogel has admitted that he often defers to James’ wishes out of respect for his stature and familiarity with his body. Rivers has done the same thing with Leonard. But the Lakers and Clippers have their medical staff work directly with James and Leonard to protect them from themselves.

James has only averaged 34.6 minutes per game, which ranks 16th in the NBA. He has appeared spry and engaged enough to help the Lakers accelerate their on-court chemistry with Anthony Davis and a dependable supporting cast, while and tying the Milwaukee Bucks for the NBA’s best record (24-4).

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“Unless we’re getting to like late in the season and we’ve clinched and we can’t get any better or any worse,” James told reporters. “It could benefit from that.”

The Clippers do not have the same luxury. Paul George missed the first 11 games of the season while healing from off-season surgery on both of his shoulders. Leonard will likely to continue missing the first or second night of the Clippers’ remaining six sets of back-to-backs. Clippers players have missed a combined 63 games with injuries and the team has fielded 12 different starting lineups. But they have still remained a contender. While Leonard helped the Clippers absorb George’s initial absence, George’s return has minimized Leonard’s absence on back-to-backs. Their bench also leads the NBA in scoring (51.2).

“I like what we’re doing. It’s a smart thing to do,” Rivers said. “Then who knows. We’ll see at the end.”

Then, the Clippers and the Lakers will find out which team will be the healthiest for the playoffs. Regardless of how that plays out, though, the Lakers have been just as correct with their approach with James even if it differs from what the Clippers have done. Even Rivers admitted that only moments after throwing shade at the King.

Said Rivers: “That makes a lot of sense to me.”

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2709210, lebron reversing course on this is kind of funny
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Thu Dec-19-19 09:42 AM
2709213, Reverse course? He's played more minutes than anyone, ever Lol
Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Dec-19-19 10:33 AM

No one can speak on the matter more than he cn
2709245, Did it lead to a road to injury when Jordan played every game?
Posted by Vex_id, Thu Dec-19-19 07:40 PM
Did it lead to him losing eventually because he was gassed in the playoffs?

What about the big 3 in Boston? Those guys played essentially every game - even as they aged - and didn't get injured because of it or lose because of it.

The example we point is the 73-win Warriors - but they an outlier and got flanked by GOAT 1(b) in a manner that only 1 of 2 players in NBA history could achieve - but essentially all the great players/teams have played consistently great basketball throughout the regular season, keeping their foot on their opponents' throats and playing as consistently as they can - and they've won it all and injury hasn't been the inevitable result, at all.

What's likely here is that Kawhi has some real unique and unfortunate issue with his body that is unique to him, to where he has to manage his minutes and time to prevent bodily break-down. But that's just unique to his durability and not something that you can apply to other players throughout the game's history.

It's only been this year that we've implied that being an Iron-Man is somehow synonymous with injury and unsound judgment.
2709260, Phil had to fight MJ to cut his minutes
Posted by Rjcc, Thu Dec-19-19 10:32 PM
so he wouldn't wear down in the postseason

they were doing it

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2709203, Jalen Rose - "showing up for work is an obligation"
Posted by c71, Thu Dec-19-19 12:34 AM
"The best player used to be about endurance - I'mma ball in the regular season AND I'mma ball in the playoffs - and then I'm going to win the championship - NOT I'm going to take games off."

2709204, "At the expense of devaluing the regular season?"
Posted by c71, Thu Dec-19-19 12:52 AM
"it could hurt popularity, ultimately."

2709205, what are you whining about man
Posted by Rjcc, Thu Dec-19-19 06:40 AM
there were games played last night.

with stars in them.

if you want to talk endlessly about load management, that's because it's what you want to discuss

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2709218, The 3 YouTube clips I posted plus Lebron's and River's
Posted by c71, Thu Dec-19-19 12:43 PM
Comments show this is an issue

2709240, no it doesn't, unless you're a fucking fool.
Posted by Rjcc, Thu Dec-19-19 05:56 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2709242, A fool for thinking someone of Lebron's stature seemingly going
Posted by c71, Thu Dec-19-19 06:55 PM
At the practice of the guy who won the last championship is indicative of an issue existing/brewing?

Yeah, sure
2709208, I load manage my viewing .
Posted by Beezo, Thu Dec-19-19 08:43 AM
The game ain’t the same.
2709227, I'm trying to decide which is a dumber "issue"
Posted by mrhood75, Thu Dec-19-19 02:57 PM
Load management or "Tanking." They seem to be equally stupid talking points.

And much like tanking, I expect the NBA to be dumb and try to take further completely unnecessary steps to try and curb it.
2709236, If Kawhi is the contender for the best at the moment - his "ways"
Posted by c71, Thu Dec-19-19 04:49 PM
should have weight.


I'll post some comments from that UNDISPUTED youtube vid (which has over 300,000 views - I wonder why?) and see what the comments are saying....



LORDZINGIS 61 day ago

Chris Paul’s career would have benefited from load management

TimE Wins 1 day ago

I can’t wait until every star in the league decides to load manage, once that nba lockout hit then y’all load management fanboys gonna start crying about how there isn’t any basketball. Keep wit that same energy when y’all stuck watching 3rd stringers for a whole nba season before the playoffs

mrslash blade1 day ago

It’s only Kawhi and some injury prone guys that’s really it. This load management “crisis” is overblown.

Be Blessed 22 hours ago

I agree. This new generation of players are going start seeing that Kawhi method works and media loves it, they are going to try to do the same thing. Believe that!

Brandon O'Brien 19 hours ago

mrslash blade bruh if you can get paid the same to play 82 games or play 60 a lot of people are going to pick 60 especially if you can still make the playoffs. It not a huge problem now but I think it will be, superstars will want more money if they are playing 20 more games then someone making the same as them. Lockout really isn’t a crazy prediction if this spreads across the league

NorthernLord18 hours ago

TimE Wins keep the same energy when yo favorite player stat padding mid season and goes out for the rest of the year wit a injury 🤡

Sixeagles 1 day ago

Kevin Garnett refused to sit out plays in practice so you cannot make him miss a game for rest. Ultimate warrior

Paul Andrade II1 day ago

Load management when you’re being paid millions of dollars a year... suck it up and play.

Welp there you go. Stupid talking points generating over 300,000 views and comments.

2709241, well, if youtube commenters say it, then
Posted by Rjcc, Thu Dec-19-19 06:22 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2709243, Then......their comments can be evaluated just like OKP
Posted by c71, Thu Dec-19-19 07:05 PM

.....but you don't care to do that...?


But you care to.....be in this post....for......?

>www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2709262, b. whatever you're saying is for you.
Posted by Rjcc, Thu Dec-19-19 10:32 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2709254, Right...did dude cut & paste Youtube comments to support a point?
Posted by Orbit_Established, Thu Dec-19-19 09:24 PM

I'm mad confused....why?


O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"

"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
2709261, YouTube. Comments.
Posted by Rjcc, Thu Dec-19-19 10:32 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2709266, because they are indicative of the issues of this thing
Posted by c71, Thu Dec-19-19 11:36 PM
Why would those views on youtube be any less on-point than OKP views?

I thought what Shannon Sharpe said about owners doing load management on contracts was "something", what Jalen Rose said was "something"


I also thought what a few people on youtube comments had to say was "something" too.

Why is that strange? What we say here on OKP is "something" to me, also.
2709273, not even a single hint of irony too
Posted by Amritsar, Fri Dec-20-19 09:52 AM
2709293, My view in reply #4 was evaluated by OE in reply #5
Posted by c71, Fri Dec-20-19 12:14 PM

Why can't views from anywhere/anyone be evaluated?

It seems people want to avoid evaluating those YouTube comments I posted ...but our own comments can be evaluated, so....
2709428, By far one of the dumbest talking points of my lifetime
Posted by LA2Philly, Tue Dec-24-19 06:24 PM
And as usual, the loudest are those without any knowledge on it. If you want some detailed info on Kawhi and the importance of “load management” for his career moving forward, check out this video I made on his specific series of injuries:

2709430, it's *one guy* and people act like the league is falling apart
Posted by Rjcc, Tue Dec-24-19 07:30 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2709431, Well, why do you think Lebron seemingly commented on it?
Posted by c71, Tue Dec-24-19 07:40 PM

...many have said the league caters to Lebron...so if he spoke on it...AND someone said in this post the league might do something "unnecessary" about "load management"...then it seems to have some "effect" besides people understanding what Kawhi (and Kawhi "alone") needs...


some would say Kawhi's competitors aren't going to be like Lebron and speak on it as well? I think they will. Human nature.
2709436, dope video
Posted by Vex_id, Wed Dec-25-19 11:15 AM
thanks for sharing.

2709432, RE: Load management: The phenomenon
Posted by allStah, Tue Dec-24-19 09:02 PM
Load Management will be utilized when needed for all players as the NBA moves forward.

- After players come back from injuries, they will be on a minutes restriction and will not play back to back games.

- Similar to baseball, star players will be rested against very weak opponents especially if a big game is coming up.

This is the new NBA and I agree with it.

I remember in the early parts of millennium young pro baseball pitchers where coming into the league with major wear and tear on their arms. It was getting to the point where certain young pitchers where being advised tommy john surgery just to get it out of the way. And most of it was due to young pitchers throwing technical pitches and pitching too much in high school and college, when they should just be throwing a fastball and curve here and there. Now pitchers barely go 6 innings before middle relief comes in. It used to be a pitcher would pitch up until the 7th or 8th inning and then the closer would come in. You will never see a pitcher get 300 wins ever again because baseball had to start load managing pitchers with their innings and starts

Basketball now has that same issue due to AAU ball. These young players are already coming into the league with damaged bodies, from structure to tissue problems. The problem is that now kids are playing too many games and too many quarters in one day, when they should just be focusing on fundamentals, like dribbling and shooting drills.

Ja Morant has sat out several times already due to back issues.
Zion has major structural issues from the waist down , and we are seeing injuries pile up like never before. The whole starting lineup has been injured for the Toronto Raptors, and I’m starting to see an epidemic of groin injuries.

Kobe said he did not start doing AAU or running games until he was like 16, when he came back to the states. Before that he stated that he was just doing a lot of fundamental stuff. Jordan played a few pickup games here and there, but in the summer he played mostly golf or would do cross training. In the past, former nba athletes took time off in the summer, and let their body’s rest for at least one month. They didn’t do the same repetitive motion on the same body parts for the entire year.

Today, these kids are playing ball too much basketball, with no crosstraining. By the time they are 18 their bodies are wrecked.

This is why load management is a must, so that players can truly rest and recover and to protect the investment of the owners