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Topic subjectTHERE'S GOD AND THERE'S MASAI GOD. PRAISE BOTH.
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2698333, THERE'S GOD AND THERE'S MASAI GOD. PRAISE BOTH.
Posted by dula dibiasi, Sat Jun-08-19 01:36 PM
seems like a good time to mention

the lakers, sixers and celtics all could have traded for kawhi last summer. and all got way too cute and came at the spurs with stupid ass insulting lowball offers, thinking they were going to get a distressed asset for the lo lo. like you're really going to outclever rc and pop.

my dogg masai was the only one to come to the table with something real. here and elsewhere, a lot of folks (mostly racists and uncle toms) even said he gave up way too much, and that the spurs had ripped him off.

welp.

best exec in the league. and he AH FREE KAHN too. think i might rock daishiki for the rest of the month, just off the stremfth.
2698336, bro, remember when Pop was just going to hand deliver him to the Lakers...
Posted by Dstl1, Sat Jun-08-19 02:41 PM
because the Spurs had no leverage? (OKS Lakers fans... chill...not saying Y'ALL said it...but, it was prevailing talk at the time)
2698338, WHY GIVE UP ANYTHING? WE CAN SIGN HIM NEXT SUMMER FOR FREE
Posted by dula dibiasi, Sat Jun-08-19 03:03 PM
shout out to punting on a championship window to hang onto brandon ingram and jaylen brown
2698346, RE: WHY GIVE UP ANYTHING? WE CAN SIGN HIM NEXT SUMMER FOR FREE
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jun-08-19 04:42 PM
the funniest thing there is that the lakers had just been burned by that line of thinking on PG and of course he was always equally if not more likely to sign with the clippers if he hit the FA market. the lakers are probably the worst organization in the league now, though i don't want to underestimate the suns' incompetence.
2698364, We offered Ingram...and another player...and draft picks
Posted by LA2Philly, Sun Jun-09-19 01:44 AM
Spurs said no and in the meantime got back Derozan and no other major young pieces of Toronto’s young core. It’s an extremely lopsided deal.

You’re trying to make a point but you may want to check who actually offered what rather than painting in broad brushstrokes. We know for a fact Boston refuses to offer Jaylen Brown.
2698416, to the best of my knowledge ingram was never offered.
Posted by dula dibiasi, Sun Jun-09-19 08:25 PM
san antonio asked for ingram, kuzma and picks, were rebuffed and told ingram was "untouchable" and things pretty much ended there.
2698417, it's all moot because they were never going to move him to LAL anyway
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sun Jun-09-19 08:25 PM
but i'm glad your thong got caught in your butthole typing this underwhelming response to my truth minus fact post intended to do exactly that.
2698345, I dunno about all that but the teams were definitely stubborn
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jun-08-19 04:41 PM
Hard to say if the Spurs would have lunged at something with Ingram and much less Brown or Fultz. I kinda suspect that they were looking to get a firm piece like Derozan back.

The Sixers well at least what they were offering netted them Butler, who was 1) more likely to re-sign and 2) not coming off an injury. I wouldn't Nelson Muntz them the same way I would other teams who pussyfooted around here.
2698337, I posted this in the Kawhi trade post:
Posted by Frank Longo, Sat Jun-08-19 02:59 PM
"I also think a 60+ win season and a Finals appearance would give Kawhi a *lot* to think about before he packs his bags. And that's the risk Toronto is willing to take. I dig it.

Plus, all it takes is one key injury for Golden State to be *vulnerable.* Still the favorite, but by less of a margin."

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2668577&mesg_id=2668577&listing_type=search#2669135

They got to 58 wins, not 60, but everything else is playing out precisely that way. Gonna put the Raps in such a great position.

And even if Durant comes back and the Warriors win the next 3 games (definitely not impossible), Toronto's done more than enough to show Kawhi that they can continue their path the next couple of seasons and continue to contend.
2698343, this is the only reason i DON'T want the Raps to win...
Posted by PROMO, Sat Jun-08-19 04:10 PM
if they win and then Kawhi leaves? i don't want it.

it makes the whole thing feel hollow (not to a legit Raptors fan, i get that).

u show up there for one year, get a ring and move on. the team regresses to mediocrity (most likely) and a few years later fans are going "remember that weird year Kawhi showed up in Toronto and won a ring? did that even happen?"

i say all that to say i PRAY he stays there...even moreso if they win the chip.
2698347, it was always bold but there were clear pro/cons
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jun-08-19 04:43 PM
on one hand kawhi was a top 5 guy and they were never going to win anything significant with what they had.

on the other, they could easily have given up their best player for a guy who played some undefined portion of one season and bailed on them.
2698339, No way Pop was going to trade Kawhi to Lakers or any other team...
Posted by ThaTruth, Sat Jun-08-19 03:18 PM
in the West.
2698341, Pretty much. We never had a shot at a trade
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Sat Jun-08-19 03:49 PM
No need to revise history there
2698340, RE: THERE'S GOD AND THERE'S MASAI GOD. PRAISE BOTH.
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Sat Jun-08-19 03:37 PM
Was nick nurse a genius move?
Or did Masai now to the white powers that be to dump Casey?
2698342, It was cause Casey doesn't make adjustments on the fly
Posted by Heinz, Sat Jun-08-19 03:54 PM
Nurse is willing to do so and does it beautifully
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IG @h_n_z
2698867, LMAO? Who the fuck told you that?
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jun-12-19 07:57 PM
>Nurse is willing to do so and does it beautifully

Bwahaha No he fucking doesn't

He has a superstar, top 3 player. And Casey didn't.

Casey didn't even have a top 15 player in the league.



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2698348, I wouldn't say a genius move, that's too strong, but the right move
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jun-08-19 04:52 PM
You look at it, they got down to Philly and Milwaukee, made tweaks and won those series. Did anything like that happen under Casey? Not that I can remember. Casey is a good coach and there were many factors in terms of player personnel that contributed to this step forward. Changing the coach was just one move of many, and it wasn't the most important one.
2698352, I would’ve like to have seen Casey get a shot with Kawhi and a...
Posted by ThaTruth, Sat Jun-08-19 05:14 PM
Lebron-less eastern conference
2698865, Nurse is obviously dumb. But he's cool w/ Masai, and that's important.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jun-12-19 07:56 PM
>Was nick nurse a genius move?
>Or did Masai now to the white powers that be to dump Casey?

When you have an ultra strong personality GM, you can't
have a strong personality coach.


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2698349, Celtics coulda got him. Lakers had zero shot.
Posted by Ryan M, Sat Jun-08-19 04:59 PM
As I said in the trade post - a pick, an All star, and a young prospect was as good as it was gonna get. And Celtics wouldn’t offer shit. Lakers didn’t have that package (yes, I’d rather have much of the young core than Demar but he’d at least been a proven all star). So yeah. I get this post but...nah.
2698351, Sixers offered a package very similar to what netted Butler
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jun-08-19 05:10 PM
Anybody saying that Kawhi was a better play than Butler is talking pure hindsight bullshit. Also the Spurs wanted Fultz and he netted them an extra first-rounder (and they also got a recent first-round pick in the deal with Minnie). From a risk and asset management standpoint, Philly did the right thing.

But I don't wanna obscure praise for the Raptors management. Brass balls move and it paid off huge. I always like da gawd and defended him even when I wasn't in love with this deal given the nebulous status of Kawhi's health and pending free agency. He has done a great job in both Denver and Toronto.
2698359, ^^^that part
Posted by dula dibiasi, Sat Jun-08-19 08:03 PM

>
>But I don't wanna obscure praise for the Raptors management.
>Brass balls move and it paid off huge. I always like da gawd
>and defended him even when I wasn't in love with this deal
>given the nebulous status of Kawhi's health and pending free
>agency. He has done a great job in both Denver and Toronto.
2698410, Kawhi was certainly a better player than Butler
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Sun Jun-09-19 07:19 PM
>Anybody saying that Kawhi was a better play than Butler is
>talking pure hindsight bullshit.

unless you're talking about the uncertainty regarding his health.

2698418, Both his health and his contract.
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sun Jun-09-19 08:27 PM
Obviously Kawhi>Jimmy Buckets, but you have to factor in the injury and also the fact that while both guys were in the final year of their deal, Kawhi was non-committal whereas Butler gave at least some indication that would consider re-signing.
2698414, Uhhh what?
Posted by Ryan M, Sun Jun-09-19 08:02 PM
Nobody ranked Jimmy over Kawhi. Nobody.
2698419, Look in the dictionary. "Play" and "player" are not the same word.
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sun Jun-09-19 08:29 PM
Play as in trade piece, investment, etc.

One guy may or may not have been healthy this year. One guy was unlikely to re-sign. The other guy was looking for a new situation to settle into and was not coming off a season where he missed 70 games.

Not sure why anyone would interpret this as me saying that Butler is a better player than Leonard other than possibly misinterpreting or misreading the word "play."
2698872, ha yeah I read it as 'player'
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Wed Jun-12-19 08:54 PM
reading it correctly it makes perfect sense.
2698355, there was no way the Spurs were winning that trade
Posted by Dr Claw, Sat Jun-08-19 05:53 PM
none. Kawhi is a GOAT, and he's about to send his second dynasty to the toilet.

that the RAPTORS pulled that off...UJIRI should have a statue put up.

to be fair to the Spurs, they managed to still make the playoffs in the West post-trade AND with the injuries. but Zaza doesn't step on Kawhi's foot and that's probably another ring for the Spurs. now they gotta find another GOAT.
2698420, you never win trading a star but there's mitigated losses.
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sun Jun-09-19 08:33 PM
this i'd say was a mitigated loss, i mean look at the return for shaq, iverson, garnett, et al.

masai was the one who traded melo or no? was that kiki? that was also a pretty smart star trade although where they really cleaned up was sticking their noses in the D12 deal, even though they couldn't hang onto iggy. that was definitely masai. they won that deal, really, the sixers didn't get shit, the lakers got less than it appeared and magic got one good player but had to give up the central piece. the nuggets gave up a couple bench players and got a stud back.
2698433, yeah, the melo trade was masai.
Posted by dula dibiasi, Sun Jun-09-19 11:28 PM
literally the first thing he did after being hired.
2698358, Ha!
Posted by LeroyBumpkin, Sat Jun-08-19 07:14 PM
2698678, Ehh Nick Nurse just lost them game 5 by himself.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Tue Jun-11-19 06:07 AM

I understand hiring a "yes man" coach when you're a strong
willed GM trying to get shit done, but Nick Nurse is an
idiot

And LMAO @ some of those offensive sets at the end


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2698683, Right, you have know the Warriors are going to double Kawhi...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jun-11-19 07:03 AM
>
>I understand hiring a "yes man" coach when you're a strong
>willed GM trying to get shit done, but Nick Nurse is an
>idiot
>
>And LMAO @ some of those offensive sets at the end
>

And that timeout?
2698686, Not the take for you. Do better.
Posted by bshelly, Tue Jun-11-19 07:34 AM
2698705, My guy -- Nurse lost the game. By himself. Its not debatable.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Tue Jun-11-19 08:41 AM

That's one of the worst coaching moves of all time.

He's got a rattled, frazzled defending champs down 6 with
minutes left.

He gives them time to regroup and gain composure. What happens?
They win the fucking game.


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2698840, yeah but that's not Masai's fault
Posted by bshelly, Wed Jun-12-19 01:57 PM
focus, man. Masai about to pull every whitalytic dork's pants down.
2698864, o Masai is Allah status. Sorry I wasn't clear. But he did hire the coach.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jun-12-19 07:54 PM

And the coach might have lost them the series, by
himself.

Hopefully not.


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2698721, mods be trying to protect people from L's lol...:
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jun-11-19 10:16 AM
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=21&topic_id=108903#109402

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=21&topic_id=108903#109411
2698808, a rook coach in position to lose a Finals game by himself up 3-1...
Posted by cgonz00cc, Wed Jun-12-19 09:46 AM
is doing all right lol
2698691, Masai's the best. WIth KD out and Cuz hobbled, Raps have more talent rn
Posted by theeraser, Tue Jun-11-19 08:00 AM
2698806, Bwahaha. WRONG. Dubs still WAY better. WAY. And they should win.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jun-12-19 09:39 AM

Raps are Kawhi (who is also injured) and a bunch of
overachieving role players

Golden State still has multiple studs


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2698815, Siakam is a role player ?
Posted by Amritsar, Wed Jun-12-19 10:16 AM
2698817, LMAO! So Siakim is a lead star!?!? Bwahahahahahahahahah
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jun-12-19 11:04 AM

Siakim is an EXCELLENT player who is not *relied*
upon for production. That's the definition of a role
player. Role players can be outstanding, but they are
ROLE players. So STOP!!

Bro, Y'ALL have this WON.

STOP trying to make it seem like an uphill battle.

you have a TWO TIME MVP and TWO OTHER MULTI ALL
STARS IN THE WESTERN CONFERENCE (unlike Lowry, who
would *never* see an All-Star game in the WEst)


STOP IT!!!
2698821, right today? absolutely
Posted by Kungset, Wed Jun-12-19 11:45 AM
2698807, well thats odd
Posted by cgonz00cc, Wed Jun-12-19 09:44 AM
how you gonna celebrate being more talented than a team missing its most talented player? lol

their *depth* should be celebrated, but having a better bench doesnt make them "more talented"
2698818, Yeah, which team has a 2-time MVP and two OTHER WC all-stars?
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jun-12-19 11:07 AM
Again: unlike Lowry, who would *never* see an All-Star
game in the west (ever). (again, look at Derozan; he
was the lead alpha dog on Toronto; he's a sidekick at
best on a decent Western Conference team, and probably
third wheel on a contender).

Warriors are way, way, way, way, better, even without
Durant.


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2698847, idc about any of your editorial opinions lmao
Posted by cgonz00cc, Wed Jun-12-19 03:30 PM
2699052, BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM
Posted by dula dibiasi, Thu Jun-13-19 10:47 PM
2699053, came up aces again.... Black Auerbach pushed the right buttons.
Posted by Castro, Thu Jun-13-19 10:49 PM
2699073, He made Lebron got to the west?
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Jun-13-19 10:55 PM
2699096, Woj mini bomb 💣
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Jun-13-19 11:09 PM
https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1139381622174732288
2699102, Yeah the Wiz have been suspiciously quiet in their GM search
Posted by WarriorPoet415, Thu Jun-13-19 11:12 PM
Figures they were waiting.....
2699104, yeah I read something about that a few days ago
Posted by dula dibiasi, Thu Jun-13-19 11:12 PM
they talking ownership stakes too. and I'm sure that logistically it'd prolly be easier to run basketball without borders out of DC.

he's got to give that some serious thought.
2699106, I think it hinges on Kawhi's decision.
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Jun-13-19 11:15 PM
2699109, shit it might hinge on wifey lol
Posted by dula dibiasi, Thu Jun-13-19 11:17 PM
i believe mrs ujiri is from dmv iirc
2699275, It'll def make him think.
Posted by Frank Longo, Fri Jun-14-19 03:42 PM
Ballsy move for the Wiz. If they don't get Masai, they've really fucked themselves over.
2699147, Repping the Nigerian flag
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-14-19 12:19 AM
2699178, Uh oh (c)Carl Lewis...
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Jun-14-19 07:43 AM
did Washington just get a 30% coupon?
https://twitter.com/nbcbayarea/status/1139417668581068800
2699259, good for him. fuck 12.
Posted by dula dibiasi, Fri Jun-14-19 02:16 PM
2699263, They tryna put hands on da gawd
Posted by bentagain, Fri Jun-14-19 02:28 PM
From Lowry being disrespected

to Masai getting the Michael Bennett treatment

to the GSW being gentrified to SF

FUCK THE WARRIORS!
2699266, are they MAD or naw?
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-14-19 02:55 PM
2699289, Won an NBA title and punched a white police on the same day!
Posted by GOMEZ, Fri Jun-14-19 07:21 PM
dude really out here living his best life. Prolly went and got faded and smashed super models after.
2699310, they tried to stop that brotha on the way to celebrate *his* chip lol.
Posted by Reeq, Fri Jun-14-19 10:51 PM
the fuck you doing asking the *president/gm* of one of the finals teams for credentials anyway? his face should have been made known to anyone working that night and the warriors staff should have done a better job shuttling him and his team on to the court.
2699313, If he was white it would’ve never happened.
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-14-19 11:00 PM
2699308, One thing that WAS proven is that you DO NOT need multiple superstars...
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-14-19 09:58 PM
to compete for a title unless you consider Kyle Lowry a “superstar” which most people didn’t before these playoffs began.
2699309, im not sure this was really proven.
Posted by Reeq, Fri Jun-14-19 10:44 PM
the outcome could have been different if klay was available for all of every game (which would reinforce the importance of that other star).

and the outcome would have definitely been different if kd was available.

2699312, Agreed that’s why I said compete for a title not win one.
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jun-14-19 10:57 PM
2699321, Kyrie isn't a "superstar" either, keeping it funky
Posted by Orbit_Established, Sat Jun-15-19 06:43 AM

So Lebron did it too

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2699325, I think most folks think he’s more of “star” than Lowry, plus don’t...
Posted by ThaTruth, Sat Jun-15-19 08:03 AM
forget folks had “top 5 PF” Kevin Love in the HOF for that stat padding he was doing in Minnesota
2699330, Draymond rolling over in his grave
Posted by FILF, Sat Jun-15-19 12:37 PM
>the outcome could have been different if klay was available
>for all of every game (which would reinforce the importance of
>that other star).