we aren't talking MVP, we're talking All-NBA designations here.

Also Embiid was in that boat last year, that's just a matter of where their respective teams are in their process.

You look at PER they are pretty even. Embiid scores more (seven points), rebounds (three per game) more. From an assist standpoint strictly obviously Jokic has a big edge but in terms of floor spacing and moving the ball they are a lot more similar. TS% Embiid's is very slightly higher. I just don't see an argument in terms of their individual performance for Jokic here. MVP voting, sure, he might finish higher but that isn't at issue here. It's a strict comparison of their performance. And I haven't even mentioned defense here, where it's basically like comparing Kidd with Nash in that era.