But now a lot of people are taking him down, there is a sound argument for KD over him and I have seen people saying "Harden is what Kobe fans thought Kobe was." I dunno if I'd go that far but I get the argument. The thing I will say about Kobe is that he was competitive AF, even among guys who would all sacrifice and cheat to win even an insignificant competition. The guy had fire and that definitely put him above some guys with similar or even higher talent levels (e.g. McGrady, Vince).