Danny would not trade Tatum for Giannis

or Embiid

or Zingis

or 1 point guy

because he better than all of them....combined.

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and it's not close to close.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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better coach, roster, top level talent, depth.

shit switched up quick. it can switch up again tho.

>shit switched up quick.

We all know if dude was like a 7ppg contributor in this series you would have a post about it.

Lets talk about ALL them Dukies, bro.

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he don't gotta cyse him, anymore. Geez, dude...take a break from the boards. You're awful.

i cant remember the last time i saw one post from one person make another person so mad that they went on a downward spiral for half a decade

that was a direct shot at knicks fans (cenario and them) who were poplocking about donny "fixing" the knicks post-isiah.

but he jumped all up in it. and got shot.

You ok?


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You disrespected the son of a leading Young Lord
and the best Latino to ever pick up a basketball.

Melo being the song of a prominent young lord ALONE
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Let's discuss Kyrie


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shit's worse than birdman starting to claim blood @ age 50

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I'm thinking of all the East Stars and there is hardly anyone close. Not even Tatum.

The amount of love spewed for a man who trashed Cleveland and led them to the lottery is epic.

I respect the dedication. That's a real love affair.

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It's gotta be him.

He's better than all the East PGs for sure.
And everyone else is more or less building their resume.

If anything this shows the talent gulf from LeBron to the next best.

As time passes I am seeing just how much of an outlier LeBron is.
The Cavs couldn't tank with early LeBron.
They went to barely missing the playoffs in Season 2, to back-to-back 50 win seasons, to NBA Finals in Season 4. That's absurd, especially when you consider Benedict Boozer running off to ruin his career on hamster-wheel teams and putting on Lego hair pieces.

Cavs couldn't hit on any Fagents either.

So I can't hold Kyrie to that standard. Only LeBron can do it like that.

On the matter of being an elite NBA talent? It's easy to see where he is in THE EAST.

Both you and Ba know that I think very highly of Kyrie. I still hold true to my post from years ago where I said Ky is Bron's greatest teammate < still true.

But - having seeing the level of vitriol you had for Bron when he left (in free agency) versus the level of admiration you have for Kyrie (who forced hands in a contract year) is perplexing to me, that's all.


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only thing that would have made it worse is if LeBron actually went to a NYC team with his friends instead of Miami. because the level of trolling from over there was out of control.

everything from his last game with the Cavs the first time out to the Decision was just annoying.

also, even though LeBron had his GOAT season over there, he also picked up some pretty annoying habits on the court (egregious flopping, the bullshit Wade would do to troll, etc) so it was easy to hate on him.

if LeBron leaves again, there's no way that it's regarded like that, because I have all the faith he's going to make all the PR moves to make sure he doesn't leave on a bad note. the ring helps, too.


with Kyrie, it's about this:

2014, when he had the chance to GTFO (and all the reason to) he stayed. And tweeted immediately after his decision to let the fans know.

that meant a lot after those 3 seasons of assjuice and tanking and dumb picks. he could have easily been like, "going to Miami".

he was rewarded with LeBron coming back.
and then one year later, he was rewarded with a title.

After last year's implosion, the offseason couldn't have been any worse, but since it wasn't a Fagency move, but an out-and-out trade for BULLSHIT, Kyrie is gonna get the benefit of the doubt. The FO had no reason to trade with Danny fuckin' Ainge. and that's where my anger resides.

even if #8 pick ends up being a game-changing GOAT

it will be moot if LeBron ain't there to GOAT along with him and even more so if the team is wack

>only thing that would have made it worse is if LeBron
>actually went to a NYC team with his friends instead of Miami.
>because the level of trolling from over there was out of
>control.

Fair. But how is that worse than Kyrie going to Cleveland's arch-rival? Cleveland will have to deal w/ Boston (and Kyrie) for years to come. LeBron didn't go to a rival - he went to a Miami team that had no causal link to Cleveland other than being in the East.

>everything from his last game with the Cavs the first time out
>to the Decision was just annoying.
>
>also, even though LeBron had his GOAT season over there, he
>also picked up some pretty annoying habits on the court
>(egregious flopping, the bullshit Wade would do to troll, etc)
>so it was easy to hate on him.

The Decision was a horrible PR move. But when your worst move as a professional is staging a show to announce your FA decision (that incidentally raised millions for a great cause) - there's not a lot to criticize.

>if LeBron leaves again, there's no way that it's regarded like
>that, because I have all the faith he's going to make all the
>PR moves to make sure he doesn't leave on a bad note. the ring
>helps, too.

He delivered the Promise and the Ring of all Rings - in such a dramatic and high-stakes fashion that you couldn't write a better movie script. He should be idolized for eternity in Cleveland. There better no burning of jerseys this time -- only statues.

>with Kyrie, it's about this:
>
>2014, when he had the chance to GTFO (and all the reason to)
>he stayed. And tweeted immediately after his decision to let
>the fans know.
>
>that meant a lot after those 3 seasons of assjuice and tanking
>and dumb picks. he could have easily been like, "going to
>Miami".

True - but shouldn't the same respect be forwarded to LeBron? He was born into a trash team and could've demanded a trade at some point in his first 7 seasons. But he didn't. He does what he always does: honor his commitments and ball his life out. He gives everything to his teams.

>After last year's implosion, the offseason couldn't have been
>any worse, but since it wasn't a Fagency move, but an
>out-and-out trade for BULLSHIT, Kyrie is gonna get the benefit
>of the doubt. The FO had no reason to trade with Danny fuckin'
>Ainge. and that's where my anger resides.

The FO office should be shouldering the blame. After Griffin left - the team has been a disaster. Now people see why LeBron signed 1-year deals his first 2 years back. Because right as he signed a 2-year deal (ending this year) - he lost his LeGM authority, Griffin was ousted (without LeBron's consent) - and Griffin didn't invest any further competently acquire more assets to give them a better chance against GS - and LeBron couldn't do anything about it because he couldn't leverage leaving at the end of the year (due to the 2-year deal) - which brings me to my point: LeBron honors his commitments with the deals he makes. Kyrie didn't. He should've played out another 1-2 years.

At the end of the day - the notion that any Cleveland fan would posit Kyrie in a more favorable light than LeBron is something that's incomprehensible.

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>absurd, especially when you consider Benedict Boozer running
>off to ruin his career on hamster-wheel teams and putting on
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shocking. I thought Kevin Love was amazing and a hall of famer! 15 ppg on 38% in the playoffs. What a superstar.

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nobody would be shitting on him when niggas nut up.

Ky wouldn’t have a ring and the rep of a Champion. He’s a made man because LeDon James returned home and welcomed him into the family.

And nobody with any sense is blaming LeBron for carrying the worst supporting cast in the playoffs to the ECF.

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he won't do it *like that*.

Bron and Ky paired together for the most historic title, ever. Kyrie played like a superstar - and he is a superstar - but I'm confident in saying neither of them will reach that level of height ever again (in fact, nobody in the league will) - and that's why despite the petty differences in 2017 - they will always be brothers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQbXA1KyQ6Y

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he's not better than those dudes combined...

and I know you're excited because Duke players usually flop.... but let the guy do this for a couple of years before putting extras on him...


a healthy Porzingis and Giannis are better...Embiid

.

.

I mean...last year's ROY, Jabari back, I was told Middleton was a great two-way guy and that Eric Bledsoe was the last piece then needed. OKS was anointing Giannis to take over the league in like November. Cats even had him as their early MVP. That's really all I was going at...I got no personal issue with him. I just don't ever see him get fried, for some reason.

Still cyse-adjacent, of course— but I bet Celtics fans wouldn’t want to trade him for anybody.

But that doesn't mean he doesn't have heart. Also he got a tight ass lineup, does he get a haircut every day? This is the question I need answered this offseason.

giannis one thing and that's a MAYBE. but, what the hell would embiid add. you philly fans overrate every single "star" you have. you JUST saw this big clown hoe up a few weeks back, but you think ainge saw something different. he don't want him over no damn tatum.

he probably brought his barber from the Lou with him, just to keep him fresh.

I like the way the guy is built and even if the pick turns out to be shitty it looks like there is a better than not chance that Ainge did, in fact, "take Colangelo's butt."

We just saw the passing of the torch

Tatum is on a Kawhi trajectory

Elite 2way player & top 5

I don't think he does the 30+ that Giannis did this year

He won't be featured like THAT in BOS

But 20+ and best defender at his position is what I see

Worst thing I can say about the kid...he plays for fucking BOS, LOL

I can't believe that dunk and I can't believe it's not a bigger story.

The idea of BOS at full strength pushes Lebron to another team this offseason

I think this was the clincher in decision 3.0

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Andrew+Wiggins&player_id1_select=Andrew+Wiggins&y1=2016&player_id1=wiggian01&idx=players&player_id2_hint=Jayson+Tatum&player_id2_select=Jayson+Tatum&y2=2019&player_id2=tatumja01&idx=players

Not that that's a high bar to clear, mind you.

comparison of apples and oranges.

If not and they were the equal as far as pecking order is concerned, then the point stands as presented.

Edit:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MIN/2016.html

It appears he may have been. That roster was horrible. GUTTED!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZGllntAa-o

Wiggins: 35.1 MPG, 20.7 PPG, 3.6 RPG, 2 APG, 1 SPG, .6 BPG, 2.2 TOPG
Tatum: 31.1 MPG, 15.7 PPG, 6 RPG, 2.1 APG, 1.1 SPG, .7 BPG, 1.5 TOPG

So Wiggins has a notably higher usage rate and plays four more minutes per game than Tatum... but Tatum tops him in every per-game stat, except PPG. And that shouldn't be a surprise, since you should score 5 more points per game if you're taking 3 more field goals and 4 more free throws per game.

Tatum has notably better:

3P%
eFG%
FT%
DRB%
TRB%
DRtg
BLK%
WS
WS/48
BPM
VORP

Tatum needed to improve this year and didn't, don't get me wrong. His failure to maintain his surge at the end of last season, and his tendency to disappear in certain games, was a big reason the Celtics failed to meet expectations.

But he's better than Wiggins at that point in his career, and if you asked Minnesota to trade Wiggins for Tatum straight up today, they'd close the deal in record time and pop champagne. Wiggins has never have a positive box plus-minus or a positive VORP *at any point in his career.* Which is crazy to think about.

About to get the HC and GM fired

I wanted to wait until after the season to party on the Cs

But sub .500 and the 9th seed...it feels like it’s already over.

Such regression

The thing that's regressed is the talent level of the complimentary players on the Celtics.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/tatumja01.html

but I didn’t know hating on Tatum was a thing.

Tatum, Irving, and Zion get a pass.

If they weren’t former duke players, would there be hate?

Tatum can ball. This is on Ainge. No rim protector and Hayward
walking for nothing is the reason for the C’s collapse.

The bench is terrible. Ainge has screwed up things a bit.

JT the SF GOAT in the making...and the Cs are struggling to stay ahead of CHA

Looking like a lock for the play-in

Easily the most disappointing team in the league this year

Somethings wrong with this team...and the finger usually gets pointed at the HC and best player

What am I missing here?

FTC

I'm of the opinion that injuries have hit errybody...with the bubble, no offseason, etc...

and then looking at the teams in front of them
6ers have had more injury issues
BKN
MIA

All I know is...Bron was giving the league the bidness year 2

This is year 4 = not the next Lebron

His bbref player comparison has names like Nique, Worthy, The Kangaroo Kid...so the next ZOMG great of the league

No

A really good player...sure...it's just weird that there is absolutely no criticism of him directly...when the Cs are spiraling

Weird...IMO

Now that Bron is in the West

Do we really need to make a list of players in the East better than Tatum?

I think you get the point

Apologize!

Boston in them offs!

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... but Danny would say yes to that trade before Milwaukee's GM finished the question.

Tatum has obvious MVP potential going forward... but Giannis has two MVPs already, is a top three defender in the NBA, and only turned 26 this season. Milwaukee is going to do everything in their power over the next decade to make Giannis a Buck for life because he's the most accomplished player in that uniform since Kareem.

So yeah, if Milwaukee's GM smoked crystal meth and made that offer, Danny would sign the papers before the phone call ended.