And I don't like the guy, but having watching him play last year and looked at some tape, read the conversations out there…

He is ultra competitive…never shrank from the moment. Can battle against adversity, survive a messy pocket, motivate teammates.

You gonna need all that in CLE.

Additionally, although he played in a spread…I was surprised to see how his high completion % was not simply the result tunnel screens and 3 yards catch and runs. He actually threw the ball downfield more and more accurately than his competition. He doesn't have a cannon or anything but you need a guy who is ready and willing to go down the field, and who can actually complete those passes at a decent clip.



Darnold- The turnovers, the lack of polish, didn't really lead anyone anywhere. Could be good but I think a bigger risk for a team like Cleveland. They can't afford a guy to go out there and turn the ball over a bunch because morale will take a nosedive. Also, his head looks like a block of cheese…iono, he looks dumb.

Rosen- Could be the best in the draft if he lands on the right team but he needs a clean pocket and a coach he vibes with. Durability concerns on top of that. Now, how often you gonna see a clean pocket in CLE, especially with JT gone.

Allen- HAHAHAHA


Jackson- Too much risk, and their picks were too high. They could not afford to get cute with this one.

pick to Buffalo and got a top tier CB at #12 & #23.

And trust me Buff trades those two picks for #4 overall.


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I feel you on that one.


Hometown guy, maybe influenced their thinking.


Ward good but I am sure they could have traded that pick as well.

Mayfield is he just wins guy in college that barely pans out in the pros. Look at the talent around him as well. Rosen was the obvious choice. Hell Jackson is a heisman winner that wasn't too huge of a reach. Tyrod is there he'd sit for at least a year bare minimum anyways. One year of sitting behind someone with a similar play style does wonders for Jackson if we drafted him.

His passing numbers are inflated due to all elite QBs in that system looking good. Graham Harrell looked good in that system as well...

Don't even get me started on his height and weight. He's too scrawny and far less elusive than Jackson to last in this division.

Now I have to root for him and it's going to be a long season...

>Mayfield is he just wins guy in college that barely pans out
>in the pros. Look at the talent around him as well. Rosen was
>the obvious choice.

Please tell me how so? I like Rosen, but how is he a fit for the Browns?

Hell Jackson is a heisman winner that
>wasn't too huge of a reach.

Obviously it was, he went at 32. If you wanted him at #1, cool, but you are the only one.

Tyrod is there he'd sit for at
>least a year bare minimum anyways. One year of sitting behind
>someone with a similar play style does wonders for Jackson if
>we drafted him.

Their style of play is not similar at all. Besides both being black…I don't see it. Jackson is smaller, has bigger arm, takes more risks, less accurate, far more evasive, just is a far superior athlete and an outright superstar in CFB.

Tyrod was none of that.

You might as well say that Alex Smith and Michael Vick are similar players.

>
>His passing numbers are inflated due to all elite QBs in that
>system looking good. Graham Harrell looked good in that system
>as well...

Okay. But it wasn't all tunnel screens and slants, he threw the ball down the field. And was accurate.

I watched him play, especially the postseason and thought he had a lot of fight in him.

I watch a lot of Pac-12 and didn't think either of those guys were that dogged. Both good QBs though.

Minus the big windup

Spread O
Predetermined reads
Breakdown scrambles
etc...

I do think the superlatives are his biggest asset

He hit rock bottom following the domestic violence episode

and worked his way back to win the Heisman

He's gonna need that dedication in CLE

but I think the QBs that were being hyped in this draft are frauds

Serious question...what's the difference between Baker and Jackson...that translates to 31 position difference?

>Minus the big windup
>
>Spread O
>Predetermined reads
>Breakdown scrambles
>etc...
>
>I do think the superlatives are his biggest asset
>
>He hit rock bottom following the domestic violence episode
>
>and worked his way back to win the Heisman
>
>He's gonna need that dedication in CLE
>
>but I think the QBs that were being hyped in this draft are
>frauds
>
>Serious question...what's the difference between Baker and
>Jackson...that translates to 31 position difference?


Accuracy and recent success

How is Baker more successful?

Josh Allen went 7 with the same accuracy

Just trying to understand the thought process

You are asking several different questions.

>How is Baker more successful?

Greater team success and just won a Heisman. It's nothing personal, just pointing out what are facts. Whether you feel Mayfield was the engine behind one, or deserved the other are a separate matter.


>
>Josh Allen went 7 with the same accuracy

He is big and has a huge arm and people think he will be Carson Wentz. They are wrong.

But this is a different question than Mayfield, who is far more accurate than Allen, whose ceiling is Bubby Brister and whose floor is Brody Croyle.

>
>Just trying to understand the thought process

Mayfield passes the "just look at the tape" argument. He also had a big last year, which always matters…I still remember when Matt Barkley was looked at as challenging Andrew Luck for the #1 pick before he came back to school and damn near ended up a UDFA.

Mayfield also has the accuracy to soothe the nerves of old-school guys worried about his size, penchant for scrambling, and off-platform throws.

Jackson has the former, but not the latter. Not yet anyway, he could easily end up better than Mayfield.



Mayfield was also one of several guys in a draft full of interesting QB prospects but no clear cut franchise guys, someone had to go first.

Shrug

those are grown men in the huddle, they're going to be inspired by a QB who can play, not some college intangibles/"he hates to lose" bullshit.

>those are grown men in the huddle, they're going to be
>inspired by a QB who can play, not some college
>intangibles/"he hates to lose" bullshit.


He doesn't put his head down when they are up against it, and he plays hard, and with confidence, in adverse situations.


The idea that those two things won't matter in the NFL is asinine.


You need that, and for cornerbacks, QBs, and offensive tackles, I would say those traits are especially crucial.


If you can't play, it's not going to cover that up, but plenty of guys who could play lacked those intangibles and washed out.

not really...

but he will be after he plays in the AFCN his first year.

so I'm whatever about it.

really, all their picks. they went 0-16, only can go up from that.

But the Browns keep Browning..



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Mayfield definitely accepts a challenge and got better at every stage of his career. the fact he was such a high-volume passer, went downfield, and still turned over the ball at a fraction of the rate as Darnold/Rosen is impressive. him going to Cleveland ahead of the rest of the quarterbacks in this class, and plenty of people doubting him, oddly enough gives him more "disrespect" ammo even as the #1 overall pick.

we'll see, though. he had a much better cast in his overall time at Oklahoma than Darnold or Rosen, including a damn awesome offensive line the past two years. a lot of his scrambling was self-inflicted, him holding the ball forever, but he's not the athlete Russ is. also, what happens when he's not winning? last time he had a three-game losing streak, he transferred schools.