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2642753, How y’all doing on the Luke Walton agenda?
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Feb-09-18 12:52 AM
I’m just asking.
2642758, Win 'em all, young fella.
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Fri Feb-09-18 02:15 AM
2642762, You think Bron is coming to LA to play for Luke?
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Feb-09-18 08:10 AM
2642763, Fizdale....
Posted by bnicedh, Fri Feb-09-18 08:29 AM
He coming....watch!
2642768, lol n/m
Posted by wallysmith, Fri Feb-09-18 09:37 AM
2642857, I don't think Bron's coming if Pop was the coach.
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Feb-09-18 06:18 PM
2645668, He wouldn't come to LA for Red fucking Auerbach with this roster
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sun Mar-04-18 12:28 PM
In the end he will either go to a team with some established pieces (Milwaukee, Philly) or go to the team that will give him carte blanche to build a roster from nothing, which the Lakers might do. Pretty funny that the team is playing well and gets a great win over a rival and you're pushing the goalposts back. 'GENDAS!
2668539, LOL. Everyone got a massive L
Posted by justin_scott, Tue Jul-17-18 11:56 AM
.
2668734, in the end he came for non-basketball reasons largely
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Wed Jul-18-18 03:54 PM
not saying the lakers won't put together a formidable team eventually, but his brand had everything to do with him landing in LA.
2668739, I'll take it.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Jul-18-18 04:30 PM
2642765, BI saving his job
Posted by Basaglia, Fri Feb-09-18 09:06 AM
2642850, BI is too dope to need this wack ass "vs" agenda propping bullshit.
Posted by Cold Truth, Fri Feb-09-18 05:46 PM
Trash ass, do nothing, go nowhere players need to be propped up by the short comings of others, real or perceived.

BI ain't that and doesn't need it.
2642910, oh.
Posted by Basaglia, Sat Feb-10-18 06:30 PM

well, i'mma do what i do and you can kick rocks.
2642869, ^^^ Has watched maybe 5 Laker games all season ^^^
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Fri Feb-09-18 10:17 PM
2642873, Explain
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Feb-09-18 11:56 PM
(Cause BI is one of the reasons Luke GOT the job)
2642891, he let BI run that thang....now they look like a real team
Posted by Basaglia, Sat Feb-10-18 12:30 PM
2642893, Lol you actually expected a real answer?
Posted by LA2Philly, Sat Feb-10-18 12:41 PM
He’s a one note musician, you know that
2642907, wait wait wait, BI ain't been the best player and they don't look better...
Posted by Basaglia, Sat Feb-10-18 05:00 PM
with him at point? i'm sure the numbers prove it, but i'mma let y'all keep tryna be "fair" about this.
2642947, Definitely better with BI in a bigger role - and with Randle starting
Posted by theeraser, Sun Feb-11-18 07:05 AM
Of course you haven't mentioned the latter factor
2642948, because he sorry and won't be a laker this time next year
Posted by Basaglia, Sun Feb-11-18 07:26 AM
2642965, All signs are pointing at us matching Randles offer sheet.
Posted by Ryan M, Sun Feb-11-18 01:11 PM
2642967, yeah...okay
Posted by Basaglia, Sun Feb-11-18 02:04 PM
2668571, and the sign said "wrong ass pressed people need not apply"
Posted by Basaglia, Tue Jul-17-18 09:29 PM

signs signs, everywhere was signs, but you rode for cop face, you out your GOTdamn mind...

2642950, 12-4 over the last 16, 4-1 since the lineup change w BI and Hart
Posted by LA2Philly, Sun Feb-11-18 10:13 AM
So yes, better...especially defensively. BI is a key part of it, Josh is a key part of it, team defense is a huge part of it.

Lolz at your stupid binary comments and then trying to create some sort of “disrespect”. You’re like the Hines Ward of OKS right now, frightening level of insecurity.
2642952, He is Trump...loudly repeats things he and others know aren't true
Posted by theeraser, Sun Feb-11-18 10:37 AM
2642767, From 30th in team defensive rating to currently 10th
Posted by LA2Philly, Fri Feb-09-18 09:32 AM
Already a huge jump...then you consider that we’re the youngest team in the league, it’s an incredible jump.

Rob, Magic, Luke, and staff have laid the foundation that you have to be committed to the game and your team...the culture continues to shift, these guys continue to buy-in, and now we’re starting to install more offensive sets as well.

We’re on the way
2642769, Rob has done a great job of unfucking the mess Mitch left, all we have...
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Feb-09-18 09:38 AM
left is the awful Deng contract, I guess we'll have to use the stretch provision on that
2642772, Plus the "healthiest" cap situation in the league.
Posted by wallysmith, Fri Feb-09-18 10:14 AM
There's really not a lot of major players in FA for this season, and if they are they don't have the most attractive situations (like a DAL or PHX).

It's a small thing, but I also appreciated how Nance/Clarkson knew about the trade ahead of the news breaking (vs like Blake). I got the warm feels when I heard they picked #8 and #24 as their numbers.
2642841, It’s the small things that tell you the most about an organization
Posted by LA2Philly, Fri Feb-09-18 04:18 PM
No surprise considering the pure class in which Rob and Magic have ran their prior organizations. They get it - every level and detail has to be top class.
2645530, Where's Racialism Established in this post?
Posted by theeraser, Fri Mar-02-18 04:09 PM
2645568, VERY happy he didnt get fired mid season like the black guys.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Fri Mar-02-18 05:21 PM

He's actually been given rope to learn on the job,
follow up on his decisions


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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
2645669, Retreating like a coward lol
Posted by theeraser, Sun Mar-04-18 12:38 PM
2645670, Exactly...
Posted by ThaTruth, Sun Mar-04-18 12:49 PM
>
>He's actually been given rope to learn on the job,
>follow up on his decisions
>
2645671, I 100 percent agree.
Posted by theeraser, Sun Mar-04-18 12:53 PM
This is why exaggerating and conflating arguments is stupid. Because Orbit will go further and also argue, "Luke sucks" before there's any evidence either way. Whereas the true point is it doesn't matter whether or not Luke sucks, it matters that he's given more time to improve, and to prove he doesn't suck.
2645673, LOL. No, imbecile: You don't agree. *FAIRNESS* is the point.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Sun Mar-04-18 01:01 PM

I want black coaches to get the *SAME* chances.

Black coaches who started like Luke are branded
"unintelligent" and never given good chances again.
They are *never* judged on "potential"

White coaches are *allowed* to be shitty and *learn*
on the job.

I mean,

Brett Brown appears to be a *fine* coach for the 76ers.

He was *allowed* to have that job through their tanking
and horrific record. He was *allowed* to have their
terrible-ness pardoned. He WILL BENEFIT from that faith.


Black coaches DO NOT get those chances.

That is how racism works. The point is not that Brett Brown
is a terrible person. The point is that black coaches don't
get those *same* opportunities.

2645675, but you said brown and walton should have been fired
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sun Mar-04-18 01:14 PM
you want unfairness for everyone, the sure sign of a bitter simpleton.
2645680, Lol. If everyone is treated the *same*, that is, *by definition*, FAIR.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Sun Mar-04-18 03:07 PM
LOL.

We still gotta have these Fisher Price Racism 101
conversations?

STILL?

Do you guys really not understand racism, at all?

Or are you really this unintelligent?

The issue is not about how I think coaches should
be treated in the *abstract*

It is the *disparity* and *double standards*

Byron Scott was, ON THIS SITE, denigrated and critiqued for
his lack of understanding.

His past successes with the Nets were de-valued ("the East
was weak") and his flaws were inflated.

Scott was not a worse coach with the Lakers than D'Antoni
was. D'Antoni's NEXT head coaching job was with a top 4 seed
in the WEST lead by an MVP candidate...who then ADDED a top 5
all-time point guard.

It is Byron Scott's inability to get THAT type of job that is
puzzling. Same with Mike Brown. And Mike Woodson. And many,
many, others.

And let's not even TALK about the mid-season FIRINGS THIS
SEASON. LOL.


2645688, Lol "bitter simpleton" is Orbit in a nutshell.
Posted by theeraser, Sun Mar-04-18 03:45 PM
He thinks we don't understand the point he's making here? But he doesn't grasp yours
2645696, You ain't even gonna try? LOL. Apology accepted, it's all good.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Sun Mar-04-18 04:25 PM
>He thinks we don't understand the point he's making here? But
>he doesn't grasp yours

Lol

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
2645701, Lol your shtick is vile
Posted by theeraser, Sun Mar-04-18 05:15 PM
2645712, Being right? Oh, very vile.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Sun Mar-04-18 06:55 PM

Do better next time.
2645646, Or nah?
Posted by bignick, Sat Mar-03-18 11:55 PM
2645682, lol.
Posted by CyrenYoung, Sun Mar-04-18 03:19 PM

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...
2645691, Wow
Posted by RexLongfellow, Sun Mar-04-18 04:06 PM
I'm not advocating that Walton be fired, but if the criteria is Mike Brown after x games, then Walton should've been gone a while ago.

Not to mention Fizdale and Kidd were both fired mid-season. Why does Walton get to stay then?
2645692, Definitely. No way Fizdale or Kidd should've been fired
Posted by theeraser, Sun Mar-04-18 04:12 PM
2668736, They did Fizdale a favor, that shit was going down in flames
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Wed Jul-18-18 04:01 PM
NYK is not exactly primed for big things but he gets a young group and a bridge year, basically anything he does will be gravy this year and maybe the following year, too. In Memphis things were deteriorating very quickly and only got worse. Kidd was a weird one. You get the sense he is not a very endearing person, although that isn't really a job qualification. Another way to look at it is that he had high standards and the team wasn't performing to them. I think Budenholzer will do all right there, though the team kind of lacks direction. They seem to be endlessly shuffling the deck around Giannis.
2645694, New management
Posted by justin_scott, Sun Mar-04-18 04:16 PM
I liked Mike Brown over every other coach until Luke. I look at other decisions the old ownership and management made and it makes more sense why they would stupidly let go of Mike Brown 5 games in, and why new ownership and management stick with something they know will work if given time.
2668737, vastly different levels of expectation though
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Wed Jul-18-18 04:06 PM
when brown was there they were thinking championship, even pringles to an extent. with scott they had zero expectations and with walton they had tempered ones at best.
2645697, I mean, obviously.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Sun Mar-04-18 04:28 PM
>I'm not advocating that Walton be fired, but if the criteria
>is Mike Brown after x games, then Walton should've been gone a
>while ago.

Of course, but that's under the assumption that black and
white people are given criteria for success.

>Not to mention Fizdale and Kidd were both fired mid-season.
>Why does Walton get to stay then?

Because he's white. Having a famous name doesn't hurt,
though his dad was a drug using babbling idiot for years,
not exactly a bastion of high IQ.

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
2668519, And of course: Walton get credit for Lebron, right?
Posted by Orbit_Established, Tue Jul-17-18 07:27 AM

But if they don't win, Lebron fault and not Luke's?

2668520, first few replies got me laughing
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Jul-17-18 07:28 AM
2668538, Reply #2 is perfect.
Posted by Frank Longo, Tue Jul-17-18 11:51 AM
2668569, As well as all of the replies to it. LOL.
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2668522, like Luke's still going to be around by 2020
Posted by bshelly, Tue Jul-17-18 08:06 AM
2668731, I dunno. if Lue was allowed to cook....
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Jul-18-18 03:44 PM
have all the reason to believe Luke ain't that far off from him coaching wise. He can handle "LeSystem"
2668524, Top 5 GOAT vs Third Year Head Coach, or Nuanced Perspective vs Agenda Fuckery
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Jul-17-18 09:08 AM
Quite the dichotomy you created there.
2668738, who, anywhere, has given walton credit? this is magic johnson
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Wed Jul-18-18 04:08 PM
pelinka doesn't even seem to be getting much credit. this was magic all the way. you will see a partnership between lebron and magic that extends well beyond the court and lebron's playing career, just watch
2668536, gone by Xmas or shortly thereafter..
Posted by houston_hardhead, Tue Jul-17-18 11:35 AM
2668549, nah, even dave blatt lasted a year
Posted by bshelly, Tue Jul-17-18 12:50 PM
next summer.
2668649, If they did fire him who would they bring in? Fiz is off the table so...
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Jul-18-18 10:41 AM
who's left?

Mark Jackson?

Kidd?

Shaw?
2676590, Walton get any scrutiny for team culture, or naw?
Posted by Orbit_Established, Mon Oct-22-18 09:27 PM
2676606, guess who gon be eating Christmas dinner at home with the fam this year?
Posted by LAbeathustla, Tue Oct-23-18 12:20 AM
2676611, Luke is really not very bright. It's kind of hard to watch.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Tue Oct-23-18 12:43 AM

Lebron will be coaching this team soon, so it'll fly
under the radar to most. But it's pretty jarring to see
someone so stumped all the time
2676629, all he knows is what they did in Golden State, when that doesn't work...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Oct-23-18 08:24 AM
he's lost.

No plan B.

We don't have the same personnel as Golden State.
2676676, That's the thing. He didn't do anything in Golden State.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Tue Oct-23-18 12:11 PM

He knows less about basketball than Draymond, by
miles.

Kerr is a genius for setting a good environment for the
PERSONALITIES, not because of basketball IQ.

Kerr always keeps a smart head assistant:

He's won rings with Alvin Gentry (who build the offense),
and Mike Brown (who built the defense)
2680167, that's not good for the Lakers (or any team for that matter)
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Nov-28-18 02:43 PM
>He knows less about basketball than Draymond, by
>miles.

2676632, He’s Jeannie’s guy. No way he gets canned mid season.
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Oct-23-18 08:35 AM
Brons got a 4 year deal.
2676635, RE: He’s Jeannie’s guy. No way he gets canned mid season.
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Oct-23-18 08:57 AM
>Brons got a 4 year deal.

Is he Bron's guy though?

Jeannie fired her own brother so nobody is safe lol.
2676668, Jeannie PICKED Luke. She had no choice in who her brother was.
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Oct-23-18 11:32 AM
2676681, If Bron wants him gone he's gone.
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Oct-23-18 12:45 PM
2676683, bottom fkng line..does Ryan not know who the GM is now?
Posted by LAbeathustla, Tue Oct-23-18 12:53 PM
it aint Jeannie bro
2676652, pretty much.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Tue Oct-23-18 10:10 AM
2676688, Pop coached circles around Luke last night.
Posted by Vex_id, Tue Oct-23-18 02:18 PM
Spurs down 1 with 14 seconds left: Pop draws up a brilliant two-way action scheme with Aldridge & Mills - and they execute and get a wide open look to win the game.

Lakers down 1 with 7 seconds left: No set at all. Just Bron one on one to shoot a shot he makes only 32% of the time. They had enough time to run a set - should've been running that set in practice/pre-season to test/experiment etc..
-->
2676722, still blatant nepotism ...hes lucky his daddy is Bill
Posted by guru0509, Wed Oct-24-18 08:26 AM
and he got bagels for Kerr for a couple months
2676733, Weird tho because his daddy wasn't known for being smart.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Oct-24-18 09:19 AM
>and he got bagels for Kerr for a couple months

The Waltons are gifted basketball players, but
they are not too bright. Never have been.

Not sure how this even happened.


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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
2676738, Hmmmm....
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Wed Oct-24-18 10:47 AM
https://tinyurl.com/yb4j8e3w
2677665, Magic met with Luke on the team's record... (swipe)
Posted by wallysmith, Fri Nov-02-18 12:34 PM
... which is fair. I've defended Luke as much as anyone here but expectations come with Lebron. That hasn't changed then and I wouldn't expect it to change now.

His rotations were severely questionable last year and they were horrible when Rondo came off suspension. I do like how he played the starters most of the game against Dallas though, last couple minutes notwithstanding.

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1058394511645253637

Sources: After a winless two-game trip, Magic Johnson's meeting with Luke Walton on Tuesday reverberated throughout the Lakers organization. The pressure's on the coach to win sooner than later.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25156914/magic-johnson-admonishes-luke-walton-los-angeles-lakers-slow-start

Sources: Luke Walton takes heat from Magic Johnson for Lakers' start

In a meeting on Tuesday, following a winless two-game trip, Los Angeles Lakers president Magic Johnson admonished coach Luke Walton for the team's sluggish start to the season, league sources told ESPN.

Johnson's cutting appraisal elevated an already acute awareness within the Lakers coaching staff that there are intense and immediate pressures on Walton to deliver the franchise a winner in short order.

Despite Johnson's prior proclamations of needing to allow time for Walton to develop a young roster surrounding four-time MVP LeBron James, evidence is mounting that Walton's job security ultimately depends upon his ability to significantly improve upon a 3-5 record to start the season.

Johnson's aggressive meeting tone circulated to individuals throughout the organization, including to principal owner Jeanie Buss, league sources said. Throughout his tenure with the Lakers, Johnson has earned an internal reputation for an oftentimes volatile management style, including with his handling of Walton and the coaching staff, sources said.

Buss' support for Walton has remained unwavering since Johnson and general manager Rob Pelinka assumed command of basketball operations in 2017.

Walton was hired by her brother, Jim Buss, and ex-general manager Mitch Kupchak less than a year before Johnson and Pelinka took over.

One of the greatest players in the history of the game, Johnson's business interests often lead him to be traveling away from the team. Johnson relies on Pelinka to run the day-to-day of basketball operations and offer reports and analysis up to him.


Luke Walton's Lakers are off to a 3-5 start after revamping their roster in the offseason and dealing with suspensions to two starters. Brad Rempel/USA TODAY Sports
Those invested in Walton's Laker staying power felt a wave of relief once Dallas' frantic comeback fell short in the Lakers' 114-113 victory at Staples on Wednesday. In the wake of Johnson's chiding, the prospect of riding a three-game losing streak into this weekend's games -- away at Portland and then the second of a back-to-back against surging Toronto -- loomed to those on the staff, league sources said.

The Lakers' slow start includes the absences of two starters, forward Brandon Ingram and guard Rajon Rondo, to suspensions of four and three games, respectively. Guard Lonzo Ball began training camp on a minutes restriction following offseason knee surgery.

The free-agent arrival of James has intensified expectations surrounding the roster. James has a history of clashing with coaches upon arriving in free agency, including with Miami's Erik Spoelstra and Cleveland's David Blatt -- but there have been no signs of James' disapproval with Walton. While the Blatt relationship never gained traction, James and Spoelstra built a partnership that led to two NBA titles and four Finals appearances.

So far, James has been publicly and privately supportive of Walton.

In the preseason, Johnson implored patience for his team and coach. While the Lakers have a talented roster of young players surrounding James, a cast of limited veteran role players have struggled defensively.

"As I was talking to Luke , we said, 'Don't worry about if we get out to a bad start,'" Johnson told reporters in September. "We have seen that with LeBron going to Miami, and we have seen that when he came back to Cleveland. He is going to struggle because there are so many new moving parts. But eventually we are going to get it, and we are going to be a really good team."

One area of discontent among some Lakers' veterans is Walton's repeated shuffling of lineups. Nevertheless, James rationalized Walton's approach to the roster in the wake of the victory over Dallas on Wednesday.

"I think Luke's trying to figure out what works best," James said. "We knew it was going to be like that from the summer when 'Zo had the knee surgery. We knew we were going to have a lineup change there. Obviously, we had the unexpected one when we had the suspensions, so we had a lineup change there....

"We'll get to a point where we know how comfortable we need to be with different lineups."

What's more, James is still working himself back into elite playing condition.

Across the first seven games of the regular season, the Lakers have utilized 93 different lineups, behind only the Atlanta Hawks' 122, according to research by ESPN Stats & Info.
2677667, Magic sat there listening to Luke like:
Posted by Castro, Fri Nov-02-18 01:04 PM
https://goo.gl/yRQRDd
2677887, heard Magic told Luke to STFU in the meeting and stop interrupting
Posted by LAbeathustla, Sun Nov-04-18 06:35 PM
yeah he gone
2677909, Luke checkn with Bill at halftime tonite to see whats for Xmas dinner
Posted by LAbeathustla, Sun Nov-04-18 10:11 PM
bcz he wont be coaching the Lakers
2677912, Going for round 2 on this joke I see.
Posted by Ryan M, Sun Nov-04-18 11:43 PM
2680118, Tic Toc goes the clock
Posted by LAbeathustla, Wed Nov-28-18 12:07 AM
2680119, Imagine Doc Rivers coaching this team? Lulz
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Nov-28-18 01:08 AM

It's kind of weird seeing Walton in over his
head this way
2680171, 3.5 weeks to respond with that. Nice.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Nov-28-18 03:48 PM
2680172, He hasn't been good this year.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Nov-28-18 03:49 PM
His rotations have been questionable to be kind. But I still stand by the fact he won't be fired this year.
2680177, LeBron James is reportedly ignoring Luke Walton's play calls(swipe)
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Nov-28-18 05:53 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/lebron-james-reportedly-ignoring-luke-waltons-play-calls-nobodys-surprise-210514450.html

LeBron James is reportedly ignoring Luke Walton's play calls to nobody's surprise

Ben Rohrbach Yahoo Sports Nov 28, 2018, 3:05 PM

Entering LeBron James’ free agency, multiple reports indicated his desire to play off the ball more in his new contract. When he signed with the Los Angeles Lakers, James praised Lonzo Ball and endorsed Rajon Rondo, the two pass-first point guards who would be responsible for his supposed adjustment. Come training camp, James went so far as to say this relinquishment of duties was “key for our team.”

This was all ridiculous, of course, because James is one of the two greatest players in basketball history, primarily as a direct result of his ability to control the game, and there was no way he was ever going to cede that stewardship to Ball or Rondo when it came actually to winning time.

Now, six weeks into his debut season with the Lakers, not only is James serving as the team’s lead facilitator, he is ignoring coach Luke Walton’s offensive direction, according to ESPN’s Brian Windhorst:

The scouts also have noticed that when James is running the point, he rarely looks toward the bench to receive play calls from coach Luke Walton. Even when he has seen them, the scouts say, he ignores them and runs the play he prefers. Walton has adjusted, and now when James is running the show, Walton will typically just let him call the game. This probably shouldn’t be considered a slight — it’s just James being James.

This is par for the course for James, who has usurped his coach’s command at every stop, with the possible exception of the Miami Heat’s Erik Spoelstra (only after Pat Riley ignored calls for his firing). And who can blame him? His ball dominance has produced eight straight NBA Finals appearances and three championship rings. He is one of the game’s great passers, and his encyclopedic knowledge of every defensive tactic ever thrown at him over 16 seasons exceeds most, if not all, active coaches.

James leads all Lakers in usage rate (30.4 percent), time of possession (5.6 minutes per game) and time per touch (4.27 seconds), as it should be for a four-time MVP without another All-Star at his side.

We should point out that the Lakers owned a top-10 offense before Rondo suffered a broken hand on Nov. 14, and the team has dipped to 26th in that regard in six games since the injury. This period of time, which features a 3-3 record, coincides with an uptick in LeBron’s overall control of the offense.

It’s got to be frustrating if you’re Walton, trying to steer a team when the player who all your developing talents are looking to for guidance is straight-up ignoring you. That this falls on the heels of reports that Lakers players are “discontent” with Walton’s lineups and team president Magic Johnson “admonished” the coach for their poor start is not a ringing endorsement of his authority.

This is the reason the Cleveland Cavaliers were left without an offensive system without James, to the point that Tyronn Lue was fired for failing to revamp his offense immediately upon losing LeBron. Such is the deal one makes when he signs on to coach a notoriously controlling superstar, I suppose.
2680178, i mean if you watch the games its blatantly obvious
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Wed Nov-28-18 06:24 PM
youre seeing more and more LeSystem fuckery every game.
2680183, Yeah, it's on Luke to get Lebron to cut that shit out...
Posted by wallysmith, Wed Nov-28-18 07:01 PM
But at least we know a Lebron isothree feet out from the 3pt line then taking a contested jumpshot isn't a playcall from the bench.

The LeFuckYouThree is hilarious to watch, but it's not exactly an offense we want to run.



- No idea why Lonzo was benched for the entire 4th against Orlando
- Hoping to see a starting lineup change tomorrow night, but not because of a Lonzo injury
2680190, Lebron is smart. Luke isn't. What's the issue?
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Nov-28-18 08:47 PM

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
2680288, Gave Luke plenty of time
Posted by justin_scott, Fri Nov-30-18 12:45 AM
but his rotations are easily the worst in the league. Lakers have lost at least 2-5 games simply because of Luke's rotations. Up 20+ on the Pacers, and Bron sits for 6 mins in the 2nd while Indiana comes back? Every single game Luke fucks up the rotations. Maybe Brian Shaw could do better. Maybe not, but Luke is not the coach for this team.
2680289, Rotations are awful. But who is out there who’s better?
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Nov-30-18 12:49 AM
I’d have loved Fizdale...and I’m a Luke supporter, but he’s been bad. I still maintain the coaching carousel has been terrible for the franchise, but obviously with LeBron the stakes have changed. I dunno man. It’s weird.
2680290, I don't know, maybe give Brian Shaw a chance
Posted by justin_scott, Fri Nov-30-18 01:11 AM
at least for the rest of the season, altho maybe behind the scenes they know he isn't any better. i really don't know.

i just know i wanted Luke to succeed, but he's proven to be awful, and the Lakers will not win anything major with him. only thing keeping his job intact still, is the Lakers are playing decently in spite of his obviously bad flaws, but imagine this team with a competent coach....

2680291, Y'all cooked Byron way harder for coaching an awful team.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Fri Nov-30-18 04:00 AM
>I’d have loved Fizdale...and I’m a Luke supporter, but
>he’s been bad. I still maintain the coaching carousel has
>been terrible for the franchise, but obviously with LeBron the
>stakes have changed. I dunno man. It’s weird.

Shame.
2680331, Hmmmmmmm
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Nov-30-18 12:39 PM
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2407863&mesg_id=2407863&listing_type=search

Nah. I’ve got receipts.

Adios.
2680319, Officially switching to Mark Jackson agenda.
Posted by Tw3nty, Fri Nov-30-18 11:06 AM
2681694, Phil Jackson makes surprise visit to Lakers' practice facility(ESPN)
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Dec-12-18 07:15 PM
http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/25519008/phil-jackson-visits-los-angeles-lakers-practice-facility

Phil Jackson makes surprise visit to Lakers' practice facility
4:29 PM CT
Ohm Youngmisuk
ESPN Staff Writer

EL SEGUNDO, Calif. -- Phil Jackson made a surprise visit to the Los Angeles Lakers' practice facility Wednesday.

It was the first time Jackson has been seen by the media at the facility over the past two seasons. The team said the former head coach just stopped by.

Lakers coach Luke Walton, who has kept in touch with Jackson and at times solicits advice from his mentor, said he didn't know his former coach was at the facility until media members pointed at Jackson, who was seated in a balcony above the court.

"I have not talked to Phil today, no, but if that's him, I'll head upstairs," Walton said. "... Even the one year I semi-retired, Phil's someone I like to stay in constant communication with."

Jackson still has several ties to the organization. Lakers controlling owner and governor Jeanie Buss posted a photo of her having dinner with Jackson, Kurt Rambis and his wife, Linda, in Manhattan Beach in early November.

Rambis rejoined the organization in September as a senior basketball adviser to Magic Johnson, president of basketball operations.

It was not known whether Jackson had any interaction with LeBron James.

Jackson once used the word "posse" when talking about James and his business partners in a 2016 interview with ESPN. In response, James said he and his partners were offended and disappointed as African-Americans by the use of the word to describe them.
2681721, So nobody wants to TALK ABOUT IT?
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Dec-13-18 07:08 AM
2687396, I don’t see them bringing in anybody outside during the season...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Feb-11-19 03:35 AM
let Brian Shaw finish out the string and see what he does.
2688843, Whassup y'all.
Posted by Orbit_Established, Sat Feb-23-19 11:16 PM

----------------------------



O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
2688853, beating good teams and losing to bad teams usually points to...
Posted by ThaTruth, Sun Feb-24-19 07:48 AM
coaching
2688894, *slowly crawling to the edge to jump off this ship*
Posted by Ryan M, Sun Feb-24-19 02:01 PM
2688981, When, not if, Luke gets fired, this game will be the tipping point
Posted by Cold Truth, Mon Feb-25-19 10:34 PM
17 turnovers against one the dregs of the league, in what should have been among the more disciplined games of the season after the Pelicans debacle.

2688983, Luke should be fired
Posted by LA2Philly, Mon Feb-25-19 10:42 PM
I’ve never seen a coach this oblivious to which players and lineups are playing well and which aren’t. Tonight with Rondo to start the 4th was the most egregious example I’ve seen in my life.
2688985, And I’m out. Thanks for the lost season, Luke. Jesus.
Posted by Ryan M, Mon Feb-25-19 10:54 PM
2689015, Y'all fried Mike Brown harder. Sorry. n/m
Posted by Orbit_Established, Tue Feb-26-19 08:25 AM
>


----------------------------



O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
2689466, Oh that’s your line now. Funny.
Posted by Ryan M, Sat Mar-02-19 12:54 AM
I don’t need your approval so keep it up I guess.

Is this because I had receipts up above? Lmao.
2689444, Ty Lue?
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Mar-01-19 05:18 PM
https://www.complex.com/sports/2019/03/tyronn-lue-could-replace-luke-walton-lakers-head-coach?
2689447, it'll be him or b shaw.
Posted by dula dibiasi, Fri Mar-01-19 06:23 PM
I'd also put a verrrry small longshot wager on doc, who can get out of his current contract if he so desires.
2689456, I'm hoping for B. Shaw...
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Mar-01-19 10:27 PM
>I'd also put a verrrry small longshot wager on doc, who can
>get out of his current contract if he so desires.

wow didn't know that
2689571, Doc has nothing to gain from being washed up LeBrat's punching bag
Posted by FILF, Sun Mar-03-19 01:49 AM
>I'd also put a verrrry small longshot wager on doc, who can
>get out of his current contract if he so desires.
2689613, Not gonna lie...
Posted by Dstl1, Sun Mar-03-19 07:01 PM
with Ty’s health concerns that final Bron season and how he kinda rode the Escape Goat out of Cleveland...I’d really be surprised if he wanted to go back into that pressure cooker.
2689624, in LA! Can't see this happening.
Posted by Castro, Mon Mar-04-19 02:55 AM
2689468, https://youtu.be/XchwE9zVdnw
Posted by Cold Truth, Sat Mar-02-19 01:05 AM
https://youtu.be/XchwE9zVdnw
2689556, It’s time. Tonight should be his last game as the coach
Posted by LA2Philly, Sat Mar-02-19 11:46 PM
Team is mentally done, Luke keeps making the same bone-headed rotation mistakes. It’s timw
2689563, Yup. He’s gotta go.
Posted by Ryan M, Sun Mar-03-19 12:59 AM
The biggest issue they have is the roster, and I think the front office outright sucks, but Luke is bad. It’s time.
2689574, Not gonna die on this hill for Luke but to be fair
Posted by LegacyNS, Sun Mar-03-19 05:22 AM
he didn't try to trade the whole god damn team... Also, injuries have been apart of the screwed up subbing situation. In the end tho, not crying when he gets the hook.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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2689605, He’s still making the same mistakes. The exact same ones
Posted by LA2Philly, Sun Mar-03-19 05:27 PM
The all bench lineups have been trash all year, he keeps playing them.

All the vets have negative net ratings, they not only play but get more minutes than Bullock and Muscala who have been good.

Refuses to stagger BI and Bron. Look at the team’s net ratings with one of them on vs both off.

It’s the same patterns and mistakes as nauseum. He talks about earning minutes, learning from mistakes yet it’s all just noise. He has some very good qualities but it’s all undermines by not being able to make clear-eyed decisions in-game. That’s such a priority quality for a good head coach.
2689570, How y’all doing on the Jeanie Buss agenda?
Posted by FILF, Sun Mar-03-19 01:45 AM
Shoulda stuck to managing the cheerleaders..........
2689686, everything isnt an agenda.
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Mon Mar-04-19 03:30 PM
2689682, Report: Lakers expected to fire Luke Walton after season
Posted by j0510, Mon Mar-04-19 03:18 PM
https://nba.nbcsports.com/2019/03/04/report-lakers-expected-to-fire-luke-walton-after-season/
2689685, Le-scapegoat (TM)
Posted by bentagain, Mon Mar-04-19 03:28 PM
They're gonna miss the playoffs

Not firing Luke implies the FO fucked up
2689987, The FO has fucked up. A lot.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Mar-07-19 01:25 AM
2689984, Congrats to Bron. Sit him the rest of the game Luke.
Posted by Beezo, Wed Mar-06-19 11:32 PM
2689985, If he’s healthy he’s going to play,
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Mar-06-19 11:39 PM
2690149, Next stop: Arizona
Posted by falafel stand pimpin, Sat Mar-09-19 11:17 PM
2690209, keeps getting worse
Posted by tariqhu, Mon Mar-11-19 12:47 PM
what a trash season.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2825018-lakers-rumors-magic-johnson-ignored-pleas-to-re-sign-brook-lopez-julius-randle


Lakers Rumors: Magic Johnson Ignored Pleas to Re-Sign Brook Lopez, Julius Randle
Scott Polacek
March 11, 2019

Los Angeles Lakers' Julius Randle, left, and Brook Lopez watch the closing moments of the Lakers 113-102 loss to the Sacramento Kings in an NBA basketball game Wednesday, Nov. 22, 2017, in Sacramento, Calif. (AP Photo/Rich Pedroncelli)
Rich Pedroncelli/Associated Press

Brook Lopez and Julius Randle are enjoying productive seasons for the Milwaukee Bucks and New Orleans Pelicans, respectively, but the Los Angeles Lakers' coaching staff reportedly wanted President of Basketball Operations Magic Johnson to keep them in purple and gold.

According to Bill Oram of The Athletic, Johnson "ignored the pleas of the coaching staff that he retain" the two bigs following the signing of LeBron James and instead added JaVale McGee, Michael Beasley and Lance Stephenson.

The report comes amid speculation surrounding the future of head coach Luke Walton, with Oram noting that firing Walton "would cause considerable heartburn for officials within the organization who, according to team sources, continue to advocate for him."

The pair of frontcourt players surely would have helped a Lakers team that is among the league's most disappointing this season. Even with James leading the way, Los Angeles is a mere 30-36 and 7.5 games behind the Los Angeles Clippers for the final playoff spot in the Western Conference with just 16 games remaining.

The playoffs are an absolute long shot at best at this point, but that may not have been the case with Lopez and Randle instead of the journeymen Johnson turned toward.

Lopez is averaging 12.3 points, 4.5 rebounds and 2.2 blocks per game for the Bucks and is shooting a career-best 36.7 percent from deep. He would be an ideal big to play with James because his ability to extend his game beyond the arc would provide floor spacing for the King to either attack the basket or kick out for open looks.

His rim protection would also bolster a Lakers defense that is an ugly 23rd in the league in defensive rating in the last 10 games, per NBA.com.

As for Randle, he is averaging 20.7 points, 8.7 rebounds and 3.0 assists per game for the Pelicans as a constant double-double threat who appears to have a bright future at 24 years old.

Unless Johnson and the Lakers are able to add marquee pieces this offseason before James turns 35 years old in December, they do not share that bright future in the loaded Western Conference.
2690211, I’ll say it again: The Dwight year was more fun.
Posted by Ryan M, Mon Mar-11-19 01:12 PM
2690215, yeah, this is been an ass of a season
Posted by tariqhu, Mon Mar-11-19 02:13 PM
at least they got to the 'offs with the Dwight team. too bad that began the injury prone Kobe trying to get them there.
2690220, Russell and Randle are the two best guys we drafted so far
Posted by DJR, Mon Mar-11-19 02:30 PM
And they’re doing it for someone else. Should’ve took Fox over Ball too.

And why’d we give up on Thomas Bryant so early too?

2690223, Russell needed to move on
Posted by tariqhu, Mon Mar-11-19 02:59 PM
but they need him and Randle. Should've seen that Randle was going do well with his skillset and size.

guess we'll see what happens after the season. even if they make the trade for AD, who will be there with him and Bron?
2690224, Look at you... out here sounding like me.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Mon Mar-11-19 03:02 PM
Got me smiling like Donte Greene
2690225, RE: Russell and Randle are the two best guys we drafted so far
Posted by Beezo, Mon Mar-11-19 03:06 PM
>And they’re doing it for someone else. Should’ve took Fox
>over Ball too.
>
>And why’d we give up on Thomas Bryant so early too?
>
>

2690227, Russell needed a wake up call and Randle has his issues...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Mar-11-19 03:20 PM
sure he's putting up numbers in New Orleans but their record is worse than the Lakers.

Defensively Randle is still a tweener, not quick enough to defend perimeter guys and not long enough to be an effective defender in the post. And offensively he's good but still gets lot of dumb offensive foul calls trying to do too much.


>And they’re doing it for someone else. Should’ve took Fox
>over Ball too.
>
>And why’d we give up on Thomas Bryant so early too?

Fox is good but honestly I think he would be as underutilized as Ball is playing with Bron.

I agree about Thomas Bryant. I don't think Luke liked him for whatever reason.
2690229, Randle brings enough assets
Posted by tariqhu, Mon Mar-11-19 03:24 PM
even with his issues. its not like anybody on the team currently plays shutdown defense.
2690333, I agree but I think Randle and his people wanted a significant long term...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Mar-12-19 10:02 AM
deal and that would've screwed up our cap space to pursue bigger fish. Lebron didn't come to LA to play with Julius Randle.
2690226, I wanna reread that post where vex was celebrating them signings
Posted by Cenario, Mon Mar-11-19 03:18 PM
They was celebrating beasley yo lo olol.
2690230, RE: I wanna reread that post where vex was celebrating them signings
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Mar-11-19 03:25 PM
>They was celebrating beasley yo lo olol.

I wouldn't exactly call it a "celebration": http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2668972&mesg_id=2668972&listing_type=search#2669750
2690232, Welp, looks like RBO won that one
Posted by mrhood75, Mon Mar-11-19 03:31 PM
Whole lot of "They'll be 3 or 4" predictions in there.
2690268, Nah i meant the actual fagency post
Posted by Cenario, Mon Mar-11-19 07:21 PM
When niggas had the audacity to defend these reject signings like they wins
2694062, Female reporter sues Luke Walton for sexual assault(link)
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Apr-22-19 09:10 PM
https://sports.yahoo.com/luke-walton-lawsuit-sexual-assault-kings-lakers-010848563.html
2694065, HAHAA
Posted by isaaaa, Mon Apr-22-19 10:21 PM

Anti-gentrification, cheap alcohol & trying to look pretty in our twilight posting years (c) Big Reg
http://Tupreme.com
2694067, daaaaaamn luke
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Mon Apr-22-19 10:25 PM
2708481, Charges dropped...
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Dec-05-19 12:54 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/sexual-assault-lawsuit-against-kings-coach-luke-walton-has-been-dropped-174018675.html
2694069, Dude can't even sub out his wife correctly
Posted by Cold Truth, Mon Apr-22-19 10:43 PM
Sacto's problem now.
2694084, lol
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Apr-23-19 08:28 AM
2694120, ha
Posted by LegacyNS, Tue Apr-23-19 01:29 PM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

=======================================
2694123, yeah this is good
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Apr-23-19 02:02 PM