did you know that John Calipari has not beaten Tennessee on the road in three years? and he needed Karl-Anthony Towns to do it?

I just started this thread to point out that Tennessee is rolling. Auburn loss was embarrassing and they should've beat UNC and Arkansas, but they're a balanced offense that plays defense. easy to root for as a fan.

Michigan State had a bad week. stomped by Ohio State and just dropped one to Michigan.

UM looks like they can contend, for the conference and beyond

Young team still too.

Auburn has stunned me. *Never* would've expected them to be at one loss, even with their schedule, without Purefoy and Wiley. Three Tier A road wins and a double-digit home win over Arkansas.

People keep saying Florida will be better when Egbunu gets back, but (a) no one knows how effective he'll be, and (b) their problems aren't *really* Stone/Hayes. Their problem is style dictated by the height of their backcourt/wings-- they want to speed up and turn you over, but that style will give up a lot of open 3s-- teams shoot 40%+ from 3 in conference. They also can't dribble drive effectively for the same reason-- they are more jump-shot reliant/draw fewer fouls than anyone else in conference. Egbunu would help grab offensive boards... but he ain't solving those problems.

Can't believe how hard A&M is imploding. They have *so* much talent. Robert Williams, Miles Bridges, Bruce Brown, Allonzo Trier-- should've left last year.

Chris Holtmann is squeezing water out of rocks with the talent on this team. Just wait until Luther Muhammad and co. arrive on campus this fall.


AHHH, back to running shit on the hardwood and gridiron.


Things are back to their natural order in the conference.




>Michigan State had a bad week. stomped by Ohio State and just
>dropped one to Michigan.

yall got lucky on the schedule draw with 1 maryland and 1 purdue (tho that one is a road game)

conference is bad enough that your 2 game lead looks huge already

hilarious that after not even offering Zavier Simpson, you now have a walk-on grad transfer from Michigan playing 20 mpg.

Simspon outscored and outassisted OSUs entire backcourt, and only lost in rebounding by 1

OSU is going nowhere in the tournament with that backcourt

On the way back to Brooklyn, I stopped by the Naismith basketball hall of Fame in Springfield, Massachusetts (very very cool, I highly recommend it..they had extremely flattering write ups about joe dumars, zeke, dave bing and chuck daly)

but congrats on now being 7-15 vs Ohio State, lol.

Any past recruiting whiffs are all on Thad Matta. New coach. New Regime. Same continued dominance. I was keeping up with the score for most of the game, looks like you guys pulled away late. Penn State beat the fuck out of us on Wednesday, too.

So I doubt we win the B10 now. It's out of our hands. Still, though, this season was all house money and I am optimistic about the future. I think this team can win one game in the tournament. Anything else would be amazing.

We'll beat Rutgers at home, and then probably lose to IU in Bloomington. Anything can happen in B10 conference tournament play.

edit, and its in Madison Square Garden...YES

>hilarious that after not even offering Zavier Simpson, you
>now have a walk-on grad transfer from Michigan playing 20 mpg.
>
>
>Simspon outscored and outassisted OSUs entire backcourt, and
>only lost in rebounding by 1
>
>OSU is going nowhere in the tournament with that backcourt
>

i feel like i would enjoy basketball the most, since its sport centered, and not league centered

Bates-Diop is a player, and Jaesean Tate plays really hard even tho he's undersized

but beyond that...sheesh. Holtmann is easily COY squeezing 22 wins and counting out of those guards

but never thought he'd get things turned around this quickly. Sounds like he also wants to get an Ohio version of the Crossroads Classic started some day, which I'd like to see happen.

...ok (c) jay z

>Things are back to their natural order in the conference.
>

>>Michigan State had a bad week. stomped by Ohio State and
>just
>>dropped one to Michigan.
>

go play somewhere, im busy (c) Hov

your "best xs and os coach in the country"

2-16 vs Wisconsin
6-11 vs MSU
7-14 vs Ohio State

but plz. tell me more.

beilein road record vs big ten teams (courtesy of mgoblog)


Maryland 0-2
Ohio State 1-8
Wisconsin 1-7
Indiana 1-6 **
Michigan State 2-6
Purdue 3-5
Iowa 3-5
Illinois 4-5
Northwestern 4-3 **
Penn State 5-3
Minnesota 6-1 **
Rutgers 1-0 **
Nebraska 3-0 **


One lucky trey Burke heave vs Kansas and you ppl think he's coach K. Typical mich delusion

>

most recent chip
osu 1960
um 1989

most recent runner up
osu 2007
um 2013

most recent final 4
osu 2012
um 2013

most recent elite 8
osu 2013
um 2014

most recent sweet 16
osu 2013
um 2017

most recent appearance
osu 2015
um 2017

most recent B1G tournament win
osu 2013
um 2017

most recent B1G season title
osu 2012 (shared with UM)
um 2014

1st rd draft picks since 2013
osu 1 (lol)
um 6


imma need some of these to get flipped around for osu basketball to mean something to me lol

bring up beileins head to head records vs your supposed rivals and this hilariously pathetic deflection is what you come up with?

i cant believe you're bragging about who lost more recently in sweet 16s and runner-up banners...

#themichigandifference


congrats on the 1989 championship though. 4 year old me is incredibly jealous.

>Chris Holtmann is squeezing water out of rocks with the
>talent on this team. Just wait until Luther Muhammad and co.
>arrive on campus this fall.
>
>
>AHHH, back to running shit on the hardwood and gridiron.
>
>
>Things are back to their natural order in the conference.
>
>
>
>
>>Michigan State had a bad week. stomped by Ohio State and
>just
>>dropped one to Michigan.
>


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>did you know that John Calipari has not beaten Tennessee on
>the road in three years? and he needed Karl-Anthony Towns to
>do it?

sweep

The conference is just too strong right now.

Everybody is catching landmines.

i knew fsu and uva were Ls going in. surprised we pulled out that ND game

literally 92 years without a road win. how does that even happen?

obviously the programs are worlds apart, but it's NCAA basketball. it's amazing they never had one night at Carolina where it worked out for them, even with Sweet 16 and Elite Eight caliber teams.

that includes the ACC tournament as well.
even when we went 8-20 they couldnt do it. in fact, we SWEPT them.

As good as any team in the country. Obviously if Duke get their act together it's a different story. But right today...

But this is not good for my nerves. Last time everything was this Rosy, Feb 2010, our 2nd ranked team went to MN, blew them out, and Hummel blew out his knee (first time) in the last three minutes.

As fast as conference, will be a major let down is we don't win it.

4 team league, but all four are good, S16 caliber

Also lovingg TN continuing to do well. Makes that loss look better every week

I was high on them coming into the season and they've more than lived up to expectations-- really surpassed even my higher-than-most expectations. Two things that could trip you up:

1. In most of the games against Tier A opponents/opponents with notable size, Purdue is getting outrebounded. Outside of a flailing Arizona, every other team with respectable rebounding/size has outrebounded you.

2. Purdue's increasing reliance on jumpshooting. In conference play, their FTA/FGA ratio is 29.3-- which would rank around 300th in the nation over the course of a season.

If a team has an off shooting night, three things are required to counter that: a lack of turnovers, strong offensive rebounding, and a high rate of free throw attempts. That way, even with bad shooting, you can win by sheer volume of point opportunities. Purdue has been pretty good with turnovers so far this season, but the offensive rebounding isn't strong against good opponents, and they are getting to the line at an increasingly low rate. (Their percentage of points that come from 3s also continues to rise.)

So the nightmare scenario for Purdue is easy to see: the 3s don't fall one night in a single-elimination tournament, they're falling well enough for the opponent, and Purdue doesn't have the shot volume to survive the night.

That's a long term "sky is falling" concern, of course. Short term, they've got insane balance on both ends, a strong PG, strong wing, strong set of bigs. They shoot lights out, move the ball beautifully. They have two Big 10 POY candidates (which probably means they'll cancel each other out, but it's a good problem to have). They should win the Big 10, as no team in the conference has their combination of talent, balance, and consistency, and the Big 10 is weak enough this season that a 4-loss season for Purdue is totally within the realm of possibility-- which would give them a real shot at a 1 seed.

I would probably just want to see Purdue have a couple of off shooting nights against good Big 10 opponents to have them realize the solution to that problem isn't "keep taking jumpers." We've seen many an elite shooting team face early elimination because they assumed the shots would keep falling. If the free throw rate or rebounding improved notably, then I'd be a lot more confident putting them in my Final Four.

Will be what could derail is in tournament.

Outside shooting reliance is not a big concern. We have five high volume Shooters that are in the deep 40%+. We are also really unselfish and a smart team, odds all of them go cold is low. It could happen. And offense usually does thru Haas, so we are usually taken fairly open threes. That said, If it's a football stadium with bad sightlines...

Matchups will matter though, but I'm just enjoying the ride

>Outside shooting reliance is not a big concern. We have five
>high volume Shooters that are in the deep 40%+. We are also
>really unselfish and a smart team, odds all of them go cold is
>low. It could happen. And offense usually does thru Haas, so
>we are usually taken fairly open threes. That said, If it's a
>football stadium with bad sightlines...
>
>Matchups will matter though

Neutral courts are a wild card, non-conf brings lack of familiarity with scheme, and it's just a matter of shot volume ultimately. If they play a team that lets say makes two players go 1-5 shooting that night-- if they aren't offensive rebounding, that's 10 empty possessions where they'd normally have 7 or 8. Those four-to-six point swings are all it takes sometimes-- they don't need everyone to go ice cold to lose, just a couple of guys who keep shooting and assuming they'll find the bottom of the net before the game is out.

Purdue is a legit title contender tho. In the same way that Villanova tends to be. And just like Villanova, Purdue is one of those teams that could either win it all or lose in the second round to a mid-major team that crashes the O-glass and defends the perimeter decently. Would I bank on the former over the latter? Sure. That correlation-- 3PA volume and mediocre offensive rebounding-- just tends to yield very uneven results.

But as last. Ight showed. If you chose not to double team him. We will keep going inside untill you do. Another variable

The fact we were terrible from behind the arc & still won is the most impressive aspect of this.

If we can get anything from egbunu when he returns, to where we’re at least mediocre interiorly, we can go deep in the tournament

He's had gaudier numbers, but he's never been as in control of his game as he was tonight.

They probably earned a split these two games. Glad we got the sweep

We are a good defensive team except against them.

Love the depth of this squad. Vince is so good and he gets third billing on this team. Went for 30 tonight. Haas was dominant, no showed in the last three blowouts, but landed up when we need him.

I'm done with UM, would rather not see them in B1G tourney.

That MSU game at the molester-enabelers will be a tough one. Although OSU on Saturday will be interesting on Saturday too. Outside of that... I will be pissed if we lose any other game.

we're probably gonna lose a few more games now..(purdue, @ michigan, indiana)...if we get one of out of those 3 and win the rest ill be happy as fuck.

a team that couldnt even sniff the NIT is now on pace for a 3 seed in the tournament. unbelievable.


>did you know that John Calipari has not beaten Tennessee on
>the road in three years? and he needed Karl-Anthony Towns to
>do it?
>
>I just started this thread to point out that Tennessee is
>rolling. Auburn loss was embarrassing and they should've beat
>UNC and Arkansas, but they're a balanced offense that plays
>defense. easy to root for as a fan.
>
>Michigan State had a bad week. stomped by Ohio State and just
>dropped one to Michigan.

>a team that couldnt even sniff the NIT is now on pace for a 3
>seed in the tournament. unbelievable.

and actually utilizes 8 to 10 players, not just the starting 5

>
>>a team that couldnt even sniff the NIT is now on pace for a
>3
>>seed in the tournament. unbelievable.
>

SEC went 6-4 against the Big 12 today. most of the favorites held, but Kentucky and Bama made big statements.

You would think as down as IU is these big ten officials wouldn't be so scared to call a game down there.

Good win anyway. Haas the last two games, a man!

First game where the threes werent falling. Gutted it out.

just gave up 93 points in a loss at Iowa State. now lost 5 of their last 6.

first time they've allowed 90 points in a game since 2013.

Too much offense depends on Carter, but more than that, their defense has struggled compared to the last few years. Their turnover rate tends to be around 25% in conference play but this year it's closer to 20%-- Kansas State is turning teams over more than they are. They also need to get to the line a LOT more-- they're a great FT shooting team per normal, but they're jump shooting way more and getting to the line way less.

if anyone saw the game they would understand

Nah. Precedent has been set. That is never called on a buzzer beater

It was legit one of the worst games I've ever seen reffed. The calls were so frequent and so inconsistent and so often incorrect.
They missed so so much. And they called so so much more.

Nothing compares to March Madness.

Maybe I’m negatively biased because Syracuse on the offensive end is just a horrific watch this year, but then as bad as I think they are this year they’ve got 15 wins and most of the teams they have lost to looked terrible too. Even Virginia, #2 in the country, barely beat Syracuse at home and didn’t look all that good IMO. Going off eye test and what I’m used to the top teams looking like in past years, they looked like a basic 6-7 seed, 24-10 record or something, borderline top 25 type team. But nope, they’re one of the best teams out there.

I haven’t been impressed with anybody really.

other than trae young and maybe sexton there's really no must see tv players/teams. just a bunch of slightly above average teams at best.

Villanova is fucking boringly fantastic as always. Same with Xavier, really-- no one pays attention because they're always on Fox Sports 1, but they're both balanced and talented.

Duke, despite the defensive issues, scores 80+ every game and is a pleasure to watch. Four first round draft picks on a single team.

Purdue is a goddamn JOY to watch, because they play hard on both ends, shoot lights out, and have one of the most unique and efficient big men I've seen the last couple of years in Isaac Haas.

AUBURN, a team I feel like everyone *should* be talking about, plays a fast-tempo, high-octane offense where they play four athletes 6'5 and under who all can shoot and a 6'7 center who is the most efficient shot blocker since Hassan Whiteside was at Marshall. Arizona State is similar, minus the defense-- just a ton of fast-paced efficient small ball, which is always tremendously fun to watch.

Tennessee is another wonderfully balanced team-- 40% 3-point shooting, top 10 assist rate, top 10 defense. They shoot, they pass, they defend. And they have a star in Grant Williams.

Kentucky can be immensely frustrating, obviously (TRBO will attest), but when they're locked in, you see a team with a very high ceiling. Wichita State is adjusting to having McDuffie back, but they're always one of the most fun teams to watch annually.

Oklahoma is fun to watch, as mentioned, as is Alabama. (Goddamn the SEC is sneaky good this year.)

Virginia and Cincinnati aren't fun to watch, per se, but their defenses are *historically* great-- Cinci is tied for the previous best defense in the KenPom era (since 2002) and Virginia is *shattering* the previous best's defensive efficiency. They're playing their pack line per usual but also turning teams over at a higher rate than West Virginia. So if you like defenses, those teams are your sweet spot.

Then you've got your usual suspects on the mid-major front: Gonzaga, St. Mary's, Nevada. Potential pro prospects on all three. All top 10 offenses in the country. All under the radar.

So yeah, the top teams are pretty locked in at this point-- Villanova, Virginia, Purdue, Kansas, and Duke will fight for the 1 seeds, with Xavier, Auburn, MSU, and Cincinnati right behind. None of the top teams are obvious Final Four locks at the moment, as Villanova and Kansas are very 3 point reliant, Duke's defense is spotty, Virginia's style has yielded inconsistent tournament results, and Purdue can get a little jumper-happy (that's the worst I can say about them-- they're honestly the only team I'd consider locking in without glancing at the bracket first imo). Still, a lot of really good teams that are a lot of fun to watch.

(Finally, to DJR's point, Syracuse had literally the best offensive efficiency of any ACC team and the second best all year against Virginia, which I'd chalk up to their double-digit rebound advantage-- that's definitely one of Virginia's biggest areas of weakness, and Chukwu exploited it in a way that few other teams really have this year.)

shoulda been 4th but we let UCLA slip away.

Mike Hopkins is the Pac-12 Coach of The Year.

No one remembers Romar.

We're 16-6 and 6-3 in conference. Romar would have us 6-16.

When the next bracketology drops, we should be in.

We were picked 10th in the league.

IF we can SOMEHOW beat Zona this weekend...(Ayton prolly gonna body us)...man.

Hoping Washington makes the tournament so I have someone to root for this March.

cuz, Zo got them playing hard as shit.

St. John's had lost a million games in a row but there was some hidden competitiveness against good teams

Coach K seems like he's going to use this as his rallying point for March

Johnnies took Nova and Xavier to single digits, and it’s the game before UNC, which usually sinks our quality of play annually.

Honestly, considering the nearly-20 turnovers and getting out rebounded in the second half (largely due to a number of 50-50 balls and fumbled tips going their way, but still), I’m surprised Duke still had a chance to win. Took a highly contested 3 and missed FTs for SJU to win despite all that.

Grayson needs to wake the fuck up for this team to win in March. Hopefully he shows up Thursday.

Get his mojo back

>
>Grayson needs to wake the fuck up for this team to win in
>March. Hopefully he shows up Thursday.

Worst loss in program history

far as I can remember, Vols haven't won at Rupp since Chris Lofton annihilated them 12 years ago.

Wildcats are going to be in full-on desperation mode after getting handled by Mizzou. Tennessee has blown out their last three opponents. should be good.

Quite possibly going to be Vegas dogs for five of their final eight games. If they lost all five (unlikely, as they'll all be close, but for the sake of argument), they're at 20-11, 9-9 in conference. And the Alabama and Mizzou games at Rupp will likely come down to a possession or two as well. Outside of Ole Miss at home, no gimmes left on the schedule. They're gonna have to grow up fast if they want a halfway decent seed. They could end up on that 8/9 line pretty quickly. They've got good top wins so they're in no danger of falling out, but still. Pretty crazy considering what this team plays like at their peak.

>still. Pretty crazy considering what this team plays like at
>their peak.

Cuonzo's teams make you look ugly with the way he coaches defense, but Kentucky was throwing up shots like Drake today.

regardless, I expect nothing less than their best on Tuesday. they will be motivated and Cal will probably treat practice like two-a-days tomorrow and Monday.

Maybe that same Lofton squad?

It'll be same recipe as last time. Attack the interior. Win the battle of the glass. Dictate tempo. Good ball movement. Force turnovers. Kentucky's turnover rate has been bad this year, their rebounding uncharacteristically average, and their interior defense is nearly the worst in the SEC. In short, it's a bad matchup.

I'm sure they'll be ready, especially at home. They'll look to draw fouls, make 3s, and not beat themselves. I think starting strong will be especially important for them.

his length was killing Grant Williams and he was scoring whenever he wanted to from the low block

also Knox probably had his worst game of the season in Knoxville; he gets the whole team clicking

Tennessee just needs to keep em shooting. Knox is deadliest when going to the rim, especially in transition-- he's just shifty as shit. Keep him out chucking 3s, make him beat you from there.

I think UK has a very good shot for many of the reasons stated-- I'm just still surprised that the ride has been *this* rocky for them (and I say this as someone whose team is hitting some rocks itself). Been a down year for basically all of the blue bloods to some extent.

*Tips Cap* to the Vols.

Great win. Great composure. And Rick Barnes out coached Cal. He totally sat on a timeout and left the kids out there on an island.

bad shooter (can't hit an open three...like nearly their entire roster), bad at the stripe (can't hit 63 percent of his freebies) and a ball-stopper (more turnovers than assists).

he'll get a little hot streak every now and again but UK is better with him on the bench. he's the plus-minus killer.

And a large part of that falls on the coaching staff. The shit they have him doing in games does not yield positive results or makes him useful. He shouldn’t be spitting up for corner 3s for example.

The coaches need to simplify the game for him. Get it on the wing in the half court and do 1 or 2 dribbles either get to the basket or shoot an uncontested pull up. Utilize his first step and leaping ability. Instead he’s doing stuff for scouts. And then after it doesn’t work he gets down and is uninterested in the rest of the game.

The same can be said for Knox and PJ and Richards. Play to your strengths and keep it simple.

Simplify the game and put him in positions to be effective.

he's too talented to be so invisible for games at a time.

ugly, defensive struggle (surprisingly I thought the whistles were biased against UK) but the Vols made one more play. Cal definitely should've taken that last timeout as you said; SGA went for the same ball-screen like five trips in a row and Tennessee finally figured it out at the end.

There's no reason for him to not try to drive on defenders more frequently than he does.

Cal left Shai out to dry on some go figure it out young fella shit. And he tried to do the same thing over again and turned it over.

I zero pleas for this game. Some fans want to blame the players b-ball iqs on it. Nope they’re young. Some bad plays were made, but that didn’t cost us.

Some are blaming recruiting. I’m like if you don’t get the fuck out of here with that. The Vols got mostly sophs who beat us last year and they ain’t all top recruits. They just were outplayed and are lacking or unwilling to share the ball. And they seem confused on offense. Poor spacing.

Every game I only know of 4 constants. Wenyen & Vando gonna play hard. Shai & Quade are bring it.

So it’s on the coaches to get on them or put them in better situations.

It’s like y’all were missing shots to keep us in it and we still blew it. Smh

COACH HOPKINS DA BESSSSSS. ROMAR EATS ALL THE PEEN.

The only (reg season) game I'll get to attend in person.

Not sure why I was surprised, but I literally played in 5 HS arenas, in the 90s that were more impressive and bigger than Rutgers RAC. IN HS basketball is its own thing but Gotdamn! Sad.

I actually think a loss might not be a bad thing for this team, last 4 games our defense has slipped dramatically. At least we are finding ways to win. More concerning, I am seeing signs of Fatigue. I think all the WUG/team USA stuff this summer might be catching up.

Big week, beat OSU WEDNESDAY and we basically clinch the big ten title. Regardless of MSU road game result.

Chris Holtmann has to be COY and Keita Bates Diop a wooden candidate.

This team plays defense, is resilient and doesn't back down. All traits missing from Matta's teams the last 4 seasons. Idec about this one to be honest. That game in Ann Arbor next week...that's the key matchup.


>The only (reg season) game I'll get to attend in person.
>
>Not sure why I was surprised, but I literally played in 5 HS
>arenas, in the 90s that were more impressive and bigger than
>Rutgers RAC. IN HS basketball is its own thing but Gotdamn!
>Sad.
>
>I actually think a loss might not be a bad thing for this
>team, last 4 games our defense has slipped dramatically. At
>least we are finding ways to win. More concerning, I am
>seeing signs of Fatigue. I think all the WUG/team USA stuff
>this summer might be catching up.
>
>Big week, beat OSU WEDNESDAY and we basically clinch the big
>ten title. Regardless of MSU road game result.

As long as they maintain their intensity, work the offense inside-out, and avoid the shaky shooting that's happened in a couple recent games, they have the advantages on both teams. OSU is a team that I believe can fuck with Purdue if they look ahead to Sparty, but I doubt that'll happen.

In regards to Sparty, even on the road: Jaren Jackson Jr is their biggest advantage but he can't stay on the floor. Edwards is better than Winston. V Edwards is honestly better than Bridges (or he has been this season, at least). Haas is better than Ward. Purdue has the personnel advantage at every position when JJJ isn't out there. Get him in foul trouble (should be doable), keep attacking their interior (Ward CANNOT defend the PNR to save his life, so keep him active), and Purdue can come out of Lansing with a win.

ahahahaha

KNUCK IF YOU BUCK


WE BACK TO RUNNING THIS CONFERENCE ON THE HARDWOOD TOO.


BE MAD.


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

POY and COY. No question in my mind. Even if they lose and Purdue wins the conference.

I can’t believe this team is 16-8 and has a chance at the tournament. They have 6 healthy scholarship players at this point. How do you even get a good look in practice with a bunch of walkons being the only ones available to run your offense/defense against?

Louisville is a team tailor made to lose to the zone. They can't shoot for shit and don't have creative enough passing to offset the zone. I would've bet on Cuse, even on the road. (FUCK I hope K has figured out we need to zone by the time Louisville comes to town.)

Tourney still seems like a longshot, but as you said, season seemed lost. Their first KenPom Tier A win of the season-- but they have five more as their last five games of the season, so anything's possible. I think they need 20 wins to have a realistic shot at the tournament. That'd put them at .500 in the ACC. Depending on the wins and losses-- especially if they get one more big win-- that could do it.

crazy how you can be super competitive in all your losses to ranked teams, have an 11-game losing streak, then beat two of the top four teams in the country to snap it

Duke gets a break in the 1 seed race

.

Sucks that he won't make the tournament this year, but he'll stick around and be incredible for at least another season. Gonna be a nightmare for big-name teams.

>Duke gets a break in the 1 seed race

I don't think Duke'll get a 1 seed, fwiw. Schedule's too tough. Even if we sweep Carolina, I expect a loss at Virginia Tech and a loss at either Clemson or Georgia Tech. I'm also not going to sleep on Louisville (assuming that K is fucking stubborn and doesn't zone them) or Syracuse (who always plays us tough and this is the worst year possible for their zone to be good, as our distance shooting is okay at best-- luckily it's been way better at home than on the road).

I think they finish with, best-case scenario, 6 losses and a season sweep of Carolina. More realistically 7 losses, 6 in conference, which may still be good enough for second place in the ACC-- but I don't expect Purdue to lose another game, and Nova's dropping two more at absolute most. So I think they're both in pending some big-time choke. If the Big 12 winner finishes with the same amount of losses as us, it'd take them losing their conference tourney and Duke winning theirs to get that 1 seed imo.

Auburn losing helps tho. They'll still likely finish with 5-6 losses, but their OOC win slate doesn't match up with Duke's. Neither does Tennessee's, really (though their best win is better than Duke's, obviously), but they don't have a single bad loss yet-- I'd be more scared if they won the SEC with, say, only 5 losses (in a scenario where Duke has 6-7) that the committee would consider choosing them.

I still think they are one of the top 4 teams in the country, but Wright says Paschall will be out at least a week, which doesn't help a team with an already thin bench. They got Butler this weekend, who always plays them tough. Then go on the road to Providence and Xavier. Still got road games at Creighton and Seton Hall as well. I'm with you and don't think they'll lose more than 2 games, but it's not quite as inconceivable as it seemed just 24 hours ago.

I think even with their health issues they should pull that off. They'll be Vegas favorites by 4 points or more for every game left.

I said it was a best-case scenario to get us a 1 seed. As I said at the beginning, I didn't think we'd get one.

"I think they finish with, best-case scenario, 6 losses and a season sweep of Carolina."

You THOUGHT their best case would be sweeping us. That's Not Their Best Case As They Won't Be Sweeping Us. Need A New Best Case, So Your Original Assessment Was WRONG!

*82-78 smirk*

cant relate.


*looks down on the rest of the big 10*


lmaooooo


you all are so fucked once Holtmann gets this ship going.

I know this is an instance in which you're overjoyed to have been wrong, but goddamn, I told you this fucker can coach. I expected the turnaround to take 2 years, maybe 3 in a worst-case scenario, but holy shit.

(This also just goes to show how bad Matta's health had gotten-- the same team that was projected a basement dweller based on how these same players played under Matta is NUMBER ONE with a new coach. Incredible.)

i know you rep hoops year in year out so this has to feel good

And recruits are finally starting to notice us again.. I have no idea Thad landed D'Angelo Russell.



>i know you rep hoops year in year out so this has to feel
>good

It's sorta sad that it's even something to get pumped about, but I think it's been a few years since more than one team made it in.
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We couldn't turn them over all game and we couldn't keep them off the offensive glass in the second half. Shot volume wins games. Would've taken a miracle.

Really disappointing way to lose. Can't give up rebounds to a fucking smaller team. And if K doesn't get off his ass and INSIST that Duke play the zone routinely... that's a conversation for a future date.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/22384030/missouri-tigers-freshman-michael-porter-jr-hopeful-returning-season

what 2 seed wants to see mizzou with porter on the 10 line?

https://tinyurl.com/ybhe5bfe

You know firsthand through your team that they'll tinker with the seeds and the regions to set up sexy media stories in hopes of drawing more eyeballs. If Mizzou ends up as a 10 and Duke ends up as a 2 (neither a sure thing, obviously), I'd be really surprised if they aren't in the--

-- you know what? Fuck, hold up. Kansas could be a 2 seed. Kansas vs. Mizzou in Wichita. Second Round Border War. That'd be the move. Never mind, I'm wrong.

(And yes, I literally realized in the middle of writing this that this would happen, lol.)

Lots of Q1 and Q2 wins, bad losses mostly avoided, low loss count.

Xavier in great shape for the fourth right now. Not really sure who on the 2 line could step in and snatch it. Maybe Auburn. Cincinnati if they win out. Kansas has a *ton* of Q1 wins, so that could play a role long term.

he wouldn't be surprised...I felt like he had to be close, because why would a coach put that out there if he didn't expect there was a strong chance?

clear it with pops and such

That'd be a great game to watch.

Kansas down, Oklahoma down, West Virginia down. Purdue down. Tennessee down. Virginia down. Miami down to BC. Seton Hall down to Georgetown. Providence got smoked at home by fucking DEPAUL.

And plenty of great basketball to go.

33 & 17. 15/22
only player besides bagley to have multiple 30/10 games

Tennessee got ran.

went from #1 overall seed contender to third in the Big 10

but only scored 11 points in the second half and lost. that is pretty spectacular.

His performance this year has been really bad. Makes last year look quite fluky.

>His performance this year has been really bad. Makes last
>year look quite fluky.

Onwards to the B1G Tourney...

https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2018/02/23/michigan-state-basketball-miles-bridges-fbi-probe-investigation/366336002/

>https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/michigan-state/spartans/2018/02/23/michigan-state-basketball-miles-bridges-fbi-probe-investigation/366336002/

LOL

Like, I said last week: Onward. New season.
Take this medicine and do better in the upcoming weeks.

Dropped 40! Tonight. With two in traffic dunks that are as good as you'll see in cbb.

Such a beast. 40+ three pt shooter too.

Needed all of it without Vince


Edit: Vern knows:

https://twitter.com/bigtennetwork/status/966853195585613824

Abdur-Rakhman with 22-5-4 at the half

Pitt is 1-22 from the field.

man i knew Pitt was bad this year but jesus.

Sure they had plateaued, but you’re Pitt. Should’ve been happy with being at the level they were at.

I’m loving it, they were the team I least liked to play for like 15 years.

We played a bunch of bums and then got marked in the ACC.

We just hired the worst coach in college basketball. The AD who hired him isn’t even at Pitt anymore.

And Pitt was still a NCAA tournament type team in the ACC under Dixon.

But yeah, Stallings was a terrible hire. I saw something about he’s got a $10 million buyout clause?

I hate Kansas but I like that kid

Bargain basement price for a talent like that

and none of the forwards can play any guard on either end of the court. Both guards basically can’t come out of the game. F probation.

Miss St. was 18-1 at home. probably heard this before, but Vols were picked to finish 13th in the conference back in November.

I’m all for them and especially Auburn coming up and Arkansas coming back a bit. Shake that league up a bit.

although I'm guessing you caught a little bit of the Bruce Pearl era since then.

SEC was super competitive this season. before today there were only two games separating the 3rd and 12th place teams.

that said, it's good to see y'all back.

it's even more bizarre to see Pearl doing well with Auburn this quickly. I really shouldn't be surprised, because he's clearly talented.

>it's even more bizarre to see Pearl doing well with Auburn
>this quickly. I really shouldn't be surprised, because he's
>clearly talented.

and scores a D- at getting away with dirt

>>it's even more bizarre to see Pearl doing well with Auburn
>>this quickly. I really shouldn't be surprised, because he's
>>clearly talented.
>
>and scores a D- at getting away with dirt

That's the only relevant story as it relates to Auburn's "feel good" resurection

>That's the only relevant story as it relates to Auburn's
>"feel good" resurection

>Vols were picked to finish 13th in the conference back in
>November.

I had them 7th and thought I was picking them too low. Most media just doesn't watch most non-tourney teams year in and year out. Anyone who saw them enough last year saw the very obvious potential.

The thing I think is even *crazier* is that Auburn, who I picked around the same range as Tennessee when I thought Purifoy and Wiley would both be active, lost both players, lost McLemore a few games ago, had the Alabama game without Heron-- and is *still going to win the SEC.* If Pearl wasn't a sleazy guy being investigated by the FBI, he'd be a stone cold lock for COY-- and may still win despite all that (if not, then obviously and rightly it'll be Barnes).

great ending

smh at the official with the authoritative whistle review party right after...ball was out with an entire second left

since February started, Trae Young is shooting 34 percent from the field, 24 percent from three, and averaging 5.5 turnovers a game

OU has now lost 10 of their last 13

Every single game on the network would break out into an update whenever Trae would score a bucket. Shit was ridiculous

Dead serious post

Oklahoma sliding out. Baylor working their way in. Texas holding on for dear life

lots of parity, no elites

this team is so fun to watch lol

and I mean that in the worst way

turnover on the in-bounds pass for traveling, then you give up the game-winning three with literally less than a second left

that is a haunting night for Deng Adel

They did everything they could possibly do to lose the game in less than a second. Crazy.

And then Jerome, a 90+% shooter, missed one of his. And they fucked up the missed FT with a lane violation.

It's like UVA really wanted to blow the comeback and then Louisville said "hold my prostitute-sized beer."

maybe Northern Iowa against a&m in the tourney a few years back? Anyway, unbelievable how it went down.

The missed free throws.
Inexplicably even defending that 3 point shot when they were up 4.
Traveling on the inbounds.
Adel looking lost and completely leaving the UVA player wide open for the game winner.

Amazing.

so I'm glad they won, hopefully, Purdue will as well.

anything else would have felt like missing out

LMAO

and give them priority to play in Detroit

My understanding is that Xavier, Purdue, and Cincy all place closest to Detroit— though that’s not my own research so I’m open to be wrong.

Michigan was a low 4/high 5 on BracketMatrix before this game— I imagine to feel realistically safe about passing MSU, they’d need to win tomorrow, minimum.

I think X probably goes Detroit, but Nashville is possible. Pittsburgh isn't much father from Cincy than Detroit & Nashville either. Also if UC loses today and loses in the AAC tourney, I could see them getting shipped out to Wichita, Boise, or Dallas.

and 26 miles closer to Detroit than Pittsburgh

maybe they would prefer one of those places 🤞

... that could choose Detroit: Xavier, Purdue, and Cincy. I'm not convinced that a loss today would sink Purdue below Michigan-- if Michign wins, both teams would have 7 Q1 wins, but Purdue has two more Q2 wins and Michigan has that Q3 loss to Northwestern.

So yeah, you have to win today and hope for mercy from the regional choices.

I've heard from a pretty reliable source that Xavier has informed the committee that Nashville is their preference.

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Painter outcoached

I still think they may be destined to 4 seed status, just because of (a) who the teams are in front of them, and (b) the dreadful non-conference SOS ranking they have (282!). Even though their two best OOC wins (@ Texas and UCLA) may be better than other teams', that 282, combined with only 11 combined Q1/Q2 wins and a Q3 loss, is going to be tough to overcome.

But holy fucking shit, if I'm a 1 seed, they are literally the *last* team I'd want as a 4 seed.

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Realistic one-seed contenders:

Team A: 9 Q1 wins, 14 Q1/Q2 wins. 1 Q2 loss, 0 Q3 losses. 2 total losses. NCSOS: 51.
Team B: 8 Q1 wins, 15 Q1/Q2 wins. 0 Q2 losses, 1 Q3 loss. 4 total losses. NCSOS: 41.
Team C: 6 Q1 wins, 14 Q1/Q2 wins. 1 Q2 loss, 0 Q3 losses. 4 total losses. NCSOS: 42.
Team D: 10 Q1 wins, 18 Q1/Q2 wins. 3 Q2 losses, 1 Q3 loss. 7 total losses. NCSOS: 23.
Team E: 6 Q1 wins, 13 Q1/Q2 wins. 2 Q2 losses, 0 Q3 losses. 6 total losses. NCSOS: 19.

I think Teams A through C feel pretty safe. Teams D and E will each have 2-3 Q1 games left-- Team D has the obvious inside track imo unless they lose early and Team E makes a deep run.

Realistic two-seed contenders:

Team E: 6 Q1 wins, 13 Q1/Q2 wins. 2 Q2 losses, 0 Q3 losses. 6 total losses. NCSOS: 19.
Team F: 6 Q1 wins, 11 Q1/Q2 wins. 2 Q2 losses, 0 Q3 losses. 5 total losses. NCSOS: 89.
Team G: 7 Q1 wins, 11 Q1/Q2 wins. 2 Q2 losses, 0 Q3 losses. 6 total losses. NCSOS: 68.
Team H: 10 Q1 wins, 13 Q1/Q2 wins. 1 Q2 loss, 1 Q3 loss. 9 total losses. NCSOS: 9.
Team I: 5 Q1 wins, 13 Q1/Q2 wins. 0 Q2 or Q3 losses. 4 total losses. NCSOS: 156.
Team J: 3 Q1 wins, 8 Q1/Q2 wins. 0 Q2 or Q3 losses. 4 total losses. NCSOS: 249.

Team E is a lock even with an early loss imo. G feels like they have an inside track. H is a very interesting case, but I like their odds unless they drop a game early in their conference tournament. F is an interesting case, but I obviously like their odds above Teams I or J. Team I has games left to play and the far superior NCSOS, so I definitely like them above J. Lots of room for movement here (save for E and G, who I feel are both fairly safe).

Realistic three-seed and four-seed contenders:

Team F: 6 Q1 wins, 11 Q1/Q2 wins. 2 Q2 losses, 0 Q3 losses. 5 total losses. NCSOS: 89.
Team G: 7 Q1 wins, 11 Q1/Q2 wins. 2 Q2 losses, 0 Q3 losses. 6 total losses. NCSOS: 68.
Team H: 10 Q1 wins, 13 Q1/Q2 wins. 1 Q2 loss, 1 Q3 loss. 9 total losses. NCSOS: 9.
Team I: 5 Q1 wins, 13 Q1/Q2 wins. 0 Q2 or Q3 losses. 4 total losses. NCSOS: 156.
Team J: 3 Q1 wins, 8 Q1/Q2 wins. 0 Q2 or Q3 losses. 4 total losses. NCSOS: 249.
Team K: 5 Q1 wins, 11 Q1/Q2 wins. 1 Q2 loss, 0 Q3 losses. 7 total losses. NCSOS: 29.
Team L: 4 Q1 wins, 14 Q1/Q2 wins. 2 Q2 losses, 1 Q3 loss. 5 total losses. NCSOS: 73.
Team M: 5 Q1 wins, 11 Q1/Q2 wins. 2 Q2 losses, 0 Q3 losses. 8 total losses. NCSOS: 258.
Team N: 7 Q1 wins, 14 Q1/Q2 wins. 1 Q2 loss, 1 Q3 loss. 9 total losses. NCSOS: 271.
Team O: 6 Q1 wins, 11 Q1/Q2 wins. 1 Q2 loss, 1 Q3 loss. 7 total losses. NCSOS: 282.
Team P: 4 Q1 wins, 10 Q1/Q2 wins. 1 Q2 loss, 0 Q3 losses. 8 total losses. NCSOS: 62.
Team Q: 3 Q1 wins, 11 Q1/Q2 wins. 3 Q2 losses, 1 Q3 loss. 7 total losses. NCSOS: 94.
Team R: 5 Q1 wins, 8 Q1/Q2 wins. 2 Q2 losses, 0 Q3 losses. 4 total losses. NCSOS: 121.
Team S: 3 Q1 wins, 12 Q1/Q2 wins. 2 Q2 losses, 0 Q3 losses. 10 total losses. NCSOS: 6.

A lot of interesting shit here. Let's assume F, G, and H got two seeds, because why not.

My picks for three seeds, blind:

Team I. Second most Q1/Q2 wins, tied for least losses, zero bad losses. NCSOS isn't great, but isn't sub-200.

Team K. That NCSOS is sexy-- best of the teams left who lost < 7. Only 1 sub-Q1 loss, best of any team left that isn't Team J.

Team L: The losses could hold them back, but only five total, and the most Q1/Q2 wins of teams left (and if you saw this team's conference slate, you'd be *really* impressed by this fact). Decent NCSOS always helps, and there are also some injury considerations with this team, which helps with seeding.

I think Teams J, N, O, and R have the most interesting arguments for the fourth, as they presently stand. J and O are done, and I'd give O the inside track over J by a nose. M and N have ripe opportunities left (and M has injury considerations themselves), R... doesn't as much but could still get the Q1/Q2 win total to double digits.

I'd say O right today for the fourth, but I'd be most optimistic for M's chances by next weekend. The RPI seems to favor Team P over all of these teams-- second most Q1 wins, one of the better NCSOS rankings left, only one sub-Q1 loss, some injury considerations, and some very ripe opportunities heading forward-- but I haven't loved how Team P has closed the season, so I'm not as optimistic.

If you ask me for Bracketology RIGHT TODAY:

East:
1: B
2: E
3: L
4: M

South:
1: A
2: G
3: K
4: N

Midwest:
1: C
2: F
3: I
4: J

West:
1: D
2: H
3: O
4: P

tell me they didn't adopt the quirky ass system college soccer uses for determining win quality.

It’s a big improvement, albeit still quite imperfect.

im in favor of narrowing Q1

neutral top 10 win = neutral top 50 win is booboo

although yeah im in favor of giving road/neutral wins slightly more weight over home wins.

Maybe some sort of bonus tier with Top 10 games neutral and Top 25 games road. Or something. That could win.

I think creating wider tiers on neutral and road games in the quadrant system absolutely encourages major conference teams to play more neutral and road games OOC, which is tremendously important for the fall months of the sport imo.

To use Duke as an example, they played very good Utah Valley and South Dakota teams at Cameron, but in the previous system, they'd *never* travel to either place to play them. In the new Quadrant system, a game at Utah Valley is a Q1 game, while at South Dakota is a Q2. Mid-majors have been screaming for years for a system to incentivize major conference teams to play them at home, and while I imagine most of them will still likely avoid those scenarios (I still can't see Duke traveling to South Dakota regardless of the system), this certainly makes those situations far more likely in the future for most teams.

Also, end of the day, if the 10th ranked team played the 50th ranked team on a neutral court, the spread would still likely be only two possessions or slightly below. So while there's clearly a difference in caliber, it's not overly egregious imo.

Happy for him finally getting his shot and making the most of it. Good coach, good guy.

Never thought for a second they'd have a real shot at the NCAA Tournament this year.

I didn't even get to see the game but the consensus on Twitter was that the Pac 12 refs did their thing and cost UW, especially fouling out Dickerson and Nowell (the number 1 and number 2 offensive options) on complete bullshit calls (again, per Twitter).

I'm not gonna belly ache though. This team won 8 games last year w/ the exact same roster MINUS the #1 pick in the NBA draft plus Jaylen Nowell and a couple freshmen who got spot minutes.

Coach Hop did an incredible job this year, and we're keeping all of our juniors as far as I know and adding a NICE recruiting class (no All Americans but some players that will be really fitting, especially in his zone).

Hopefully we can get an NIT bid (we should...I think) which is really more than I would have expected. To even been flirting with the field of 68 was straight house money.

State still gonna State. They fought hard to catch up tho.

I don't want to see that shit in the big dance

They have no business making it at this point

>They have no business making it at this point


Agreed

Highest assist *rate* in the country while playing the highest amount of minutes in the country. His shooting splits went down drastically due to necessity, yet he *still* finished near 50% from 2 and over 36% from 3. One of the highest fouls drawn rates in the country too. He's legit. The hype got out of control, but it *is* easy to see why people are so in love with him.

Also, Oklahoma is safely in. 6 wins against Q1, no losses sub-Q2. Has two strong OOC wins. Has an RPI of 38. A lot of *weird* shit would have to happen for Oklahoma to miss the tournament. They'll be a 9 seed, maybe high 10 at lowest.

>They have no business making it at this point

i've never seen a kid more unfairly hated on.

At minimum, they're going to be waiting with about six-ish teams still playing that could pass them with a win. Going to be a long couple of days.

So if we do, it’ll be a pleasant surprise.

And getting UNC in the 2nd round of the ACC tourney was a ridiculously bad draw. Cuse could’ve beaten any of the other teams that played yesterday. How the hell is UNC a 6 seed in the ACC Tournament? SMH.

early bounce imo

Veteran, experienced team that attacks our zone very effectively and has a guard that can effectively pressure Howard. Anyone that has a guard that can get after Howard(which sometimes requires the refs to allow all the bumping and handchecking) will shut Cuse down.