>i actually said for a long time that those guys belonged in,
>particularly gilmore. but i do think there is some retroactive
>correction now that they are seeing successive generations
>have lower standards.

the standards were always lower than what you are presenting them to be. go back and look at some of the guys from the 50's and 60's who were already in Springfield years ago.


>>1st team All-NBA center the past 3 years has been Marc
>Gasol,
>>Deandre and PF Brow masquerading as a C. Howard in his prime
>>today would be getting the same accolades as he did before.
>
>i am talking about right today. KAT, Cousins, Gobert, Gasol,
>DJ, Brow ... that's a much more formidable crop of centers
>than what D12 was going against in his prime, like heads
>above.

yeah that's what I said - Howard in his prime was better than those guys right today. his accolades wouldn't be any different if he was going against them in his prime.


>>that's not what the HOF criteria is though, and it never
>>really has been.
>
>
>no,

then there's really no argument here.


>but it does speak to him reaching his potential or not,
>and also being able to continue at an all-nba level despite
>not being in his physical prime.

neither of those are HOF criteria. and Dwight was able to continue at an all-nba level after his back injury despite not being in his physical prime (made all-nba in LA & 1st year in houston)


both of those points speak to
>the major you're not addressing is, which is the same issue
>rose has: his prime was too short.

I already addressed his prime being short. what you are not addressing is that his accomplishments in his prime together with his continued production after the decline in his physical prime due to injury merit HOF induction by any historical measure.