And we have a trade!

https://twitter.com/ESPNSteinLine/status/827234781666693121

Miles Plumlee for Roy Hibbert and Spencer Hawes!

Most likely a salary dump for Milwaukee, who just gave Plumlee 4 years, 52 million. Hibbert is gone after this season; Hawes has a 6 million dollar player option for next year.

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Same as it ever was!

The weird minutes and rotations had led to a massive drop in Miles's efficiency. Hopefully a change of scenery is exactly what he required.

I was worried that we did something like we did with Aaron Mckie for Pau, only to do it for a branch of the Plum tree.

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BmW6unjCQAAzo55.jpg

But I figured he could be a valuable take-up-space guy on defense for a long time.

If this happens this board is going to explode.

Same

Hoiberg: "Hey, I want to play an uptempo offense, reliant on quick possessions, ball movement, and three-point shooting."

GarPax: "Let's get you a slow big man who can't shoot and moves the ball poorly."

The one upside is that I'd hope that Jah's passing and/or hustle would improve under Hoi. Odds are Hoi wouldn't look to feed the post at all, he'd just tell Jah "put all your energy into rebounds and kick-outs." Wouldn't be a bad lesson for him to learn, although it'd be a huge pill for Jah's pride to try to swallow to be essentially relegated to role player.

Still, young talent that can carve out a role stays on the court, and the only way to improve your standing in the league is to stay on the court.

But I'm betting this wouldn't happen. Unless Hoi gets canned. Which would be another bad move, imo. But that's a different post.

Really, any team could use a guy with his body-- he just has a few important skills to develop still, so if any team wants to get some immediate production from him, it should be a team that plays more half-court ball than transition ball, and a team with legit shooters that could spread the court. One of the things that made him such a stud at Duke was the shooting around him-- kept defenses from just flooding the interior when he'd catch-- and that was definitely a problem his rookie year (among other individually-induced problems, obviously). Caused his FG% to go down, his TO% to go up.

The obvious *best case* scenario is to get him to San Antonio somehow, to let Pop coach him up. Christ, I'd murder a puppy to get him there. Other places I'd like: Toronto, Boston, Milwaukee, Utah. I also wouldn't mind him being part of the Dallas rebuild. I'm less concerned about him immediately developing on his potential, as that's simply not realistic with how this season in particular has gone (it'd be nice, but I'm more concerned with him getting better than living up to the hype at this moment). I want a place that plays a pace that would suit his skills, and a place with some shooting/coaching around him.

Brook basically did that in 1 summer once the new team and offense were put in place.

The more Ive watched Brook, I realize how special he is offensively, and I dont think Jah is that good. But he's certainly young, and doesnt have terrible mechanics.

RIP

Is is fair to compare Okafor to Eddy Curry? I'm bored at work, so I'm not putting to much thought into that comparison.

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Nah man...Nah....

GarPax need to be shown the door...Like right now....

and a bag of butt plugs

I'd say we could offer the dildos but we'll need those to unload LuozGov

Playoffs or not.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/basketball/bulls/ct-forman-paxson-jobs-safe-bulls-spt-0208-20170207-story.html

Sam Amick says Philly is pushing for NO's first rounder. Can't imagine Okafor's value is that high. Maybe a lotto protected first.

Chatter I read said that Philly would have to take Ajinca or Asik to wrestle the protected first from N.O.
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Same as it ever was!

Especially if the Sixers relieve them of that albatross (pun?) of a contract that Asik has.

dude with visible flaws that limits the way you can play on both ends of the court.

Check the tape.

That being said. What is Brow gonna do with a big who needs touches in the wings, doesn't rebound or play D?

Absolutely nothing.

Party line is Jah will blossom in a new environment and Brow covers his warts. If you can't say that, say nothing.

That's a waste of 1st round pick.

#FreeNerlens

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2017/2/6/14526362/jahlil-okafor-trade-sixers-pelicans-rumors-nba

How good is he? I see his point totals are high. It would be great to have a 5 who can score to complement Brow.
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Pros:
- yes, he can score down low. Great feet, great hands. Especially if the court can be spread with shooters, and if Brow plays facing the basket, you could do far worse in terms of fit.
- loads of potential-- been a winner at every level until the pros, where things soured quickly, but it's easy to see how he could contribute if properly developed.

Cons:
- he won't help you win now, as he needs to do some serious work, particularly in terms of defense and defensive rebounding.
- he has physical limitations in terms of how the game is played today-- he's not laterally quick, so he can't defend the wing or stretch bigs on the perimeter AT ALL, and won't ever be able to. He also still gets burned on PnR, which is, y'know, bad. In a game that is increasingly fast-paced, shoot often, run often-- he isn't a shooter and he's not fast. He's an old school big in a world that has increasingly little use for an old school big. Even if he does improve his defense and defensive rebounding and plays to his potential, one could see him becoming a dinosaur.

I think for a New Orleans team that isn't in "win now" mode, picking up a 21-year-old who was an elite prospect two years ago really can't hurt at all. He has more potential than Asik or Ajinca, that's for sure, and he's got another three years on his rookie deal, so if he *does* start meeting his potential, you'd have a bargain. He just comes with risk that he can't adapt to this game, that he'll never play acceptable defense, and you'll have wasted a draft pick in trading for him. So take all of that for what it's worth.

The speculation can end. General managers around the NBA can stop wondering if they have the goods or the nerve to deal for DeMarcus Cousins.

Kings GM Vlade Divac emphatically tells Marc Stein of ESPN that there is no way that the 26-year-old All-Star center will be traded by Sacramento.

"We're not trading DeMarcus," Divac said to ESPN. "We hope he's here for a long time.”


Sources told ESPN that Divac recently met face to face with Cousins and his representatives to make it clear that the 26-year-old is not being made available to interested teams and encouraged them to ignore any media speculation leading up to the trade deadline.

ESPN reported in early January that the Kings already have begun planning to offer Cousins one of the league's new maximum Designated Player contract extensions -- estimated to be in the $219 million range over five seasons -- once the league's new collective bargaining agreement takes effect in July.

Asked by ESPN on Monday about their intentions, Divac said: "We are going in that direction."


Cousins and the Kings have never reached the playoffs in his first six NBA seasons. Going into Monday night’s home game against Chicago, the Kings were 20-31 and 2.5 games out of the final playoff spot in the Western Conference.

It's great.

Even if you don't trade cousins do you really lose any leverage you had?


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Same as it ever was!

If everyone is lowballing him than this makes sense.

-A guy like Cuz doesn't fall from the sky
-Sacto isn't a FA attraction on any level
-Coaching and FO have been a mess for a while now
-They lack both quality young, 1st contract players and attractive veterans under long term old CBA deals to use as trade chips.

They're stuck in a buyers market where everyone knows they're a dumpster fire and they'd be trading for a known headache.

It does make some sense to try to just try to ride out that storm and hope he gets his head out of his.... but I still think Vlade needs to burn the whole thing down and start over.

Frankly I'd try to ship him to any team with a top five pick this season and fill in the blanks but that's me. Without some research I'm not sure if that's a deal better to strike on draft day or what but they'd be better off trying to find someone to take him for a draft pick.

for one they had IT, who for all intents and purposes played well for them. Well enough to not get traded for nothing.

lol they drafted Whiteside and Biyombo

Trob, Mclemore, and Stauskus didnt pan out. They had some other hindsight options they couldve taken.

Got Rudy Gay...

WCS and Marqueese Chriss. Just seems like they need to come up with a fuckin plan. Geez.

Maybe all the bigs they've drafted was in hopes one of them would pan out enough for them to get Cousins.

it won't happen because Ainge will overvalue his players and no rival GMs want to be Ainge's next victim so there will be a lot of talk and no action.

And in the end, we'll give up something small for Tyson Chandler or something.

Ainge sitting on a supposed wealth of assets and looking to deal?

DAMMIT, Mason fit so well in Portland. Was looking really great. Dammit dammit dammit.

He's good in WS but for Portland he hasn't been doing it for themnoffensively and definitely not defensively. Nurkic can at least give them the post presence


I think he can be a perfect backup big for Denver

It's Memphis's so it'll be a mid-first but I'm surprised they had to add that to make the deal.

Nurkic will be a good fit for Portland. Should add some low post offense for them. Plumlee is an interesting fit for the Blazers. I wonder if they finally move Faried now that they have Plumlee or if Plumdogg's just going to be their big off the bench.

Nurkic, I just hope he's not another jump shooter. Blazers need someone to get them some easy baskets.

Plumlee helped the Blazers get open shots and set greats screens, he was really playing well this season. I'm surprised they dealt him.

If they were going to re-sign him, I highly doubt they would have sent Plum to a team competing with them for the 8th slot. Rather, Portland now gets a cost controlled replacement C and another 1st rounder in a deep draft...great move.

Lose no bodies in their rotation either.

Chris Andersen - F/C - Hornets
The Cavaliers have traded Chris Andersen (knee) to the Hornets in exchange for cash and a second-round pick.
Anderson will not play this season due to a torn right ACL and the Cavs needed to move him to open up another roster spot -- expect them to pursue a backup PG or center. This also increases the likelihood of Derrick Williams sticking with the Cavaliers. Andersen is hoping to play one more season in the NBA, but he's going to be 39 years old when he hits free agency this summer.

I think Yogi's run is fine but dont know what long term projections are. Who nows he could be the next IT3, but from what I saw so far from him he wasnt better than any of the guards the Nets kept.

Dinwiddie was probably the one dude I wouldnt have signed and just rocked with Yogi, Kil, Lin, and Whitehead


But if its between Whitehead adn Yogi, Id take Whitehead

>I think Yogi's run is fine but dont know what long term
>projections are. Who nows he could be the next IT3, but from
>what I saw so far from him he wasnt better than any of the
>guards the Nets kept.

okay

These gms bending over to help cleveland lol. They tryna get a ring vicariously or something?

whatever the Sixers get for him..... the drop in value from where he was drafted, to what they got for him in a trade...hopefully that puts to rest the ridiculous idea of teams drafting best player available for positions they already have guys for...rather than drafting for positions they actually need...

whatever the Sixers get for Okafor.... that value is the value of a "lottery pick" and they obviously won't get that value...

draft picks are far more valuable as draft picks...rather than guys who have played and everyone sees their shortcomings...

drafting for value / BPA rather than position is fine. they just waited too long to move him.

this one situation isn't some referendum on the philosophy as a general concept.

As for the philosphy...

We could've had aaron gordon or marcus smart instead of Embiid.

I'm good with it.
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Same as it ever was!

>drafting for value / BPA rather than position is fine. they just waited too long to move him

and nobody was offering what the Sixers viewed as enough...

now they'll get even less than that...

so if they had the #1, they should have taken russell over towns? just because they already had a center? how would that have worked out?

if okafor was the highest rated player on their board then it made sense to take him where they did. they could have traded him the summer after his rookie season. or the February of his rookie season. or the day they drafted him.

they just waited too long to trade him.

it doesn't make any sense to say, hey we need a point guard, let's take the best one available, even though we have 10 players at other positions ranked higher than him.

>so if they had the #1, they should have taken russell over
>towns? just because they already had a center? how would that
>have worked out?
>
>if okafor was the highest rated player on their board then it
>made sense to take him where they did. they could have traded
>him the summer after his rookie season. or the February of his
>rookie season. or the day they drafted him.
>
>they just waited too long to trade him.
>
>it doesn't make any sense to say, hey we need a point guard,
>let's take the best one available, even though we have 10
>players at other positions ranked higher than him.


they have drafted too many 4s and 5s ...with the idea that they could make a trade..... but the value they will get back in the trade is far far below the value of where they drafted the guy in the first place....

Okafor has been available for a trade since after his rookie season..the fact that he wasn't traded was not because the Sixers were not willing to trade him....they didn't feel like what they would get in return was enough...

again..now they'll get even less...

They were offered solid value for Okafor and turned it down. They overvalued him and misplayed their hand. And then Okafor's gone out and made it worse with his play this season.

None of this really affects the Best Player Available approach. Things wouldn't be better if Robert Covington was outplaying Mario Hezonja right now.

His value would have been highest on draft day, yes, but the ownership was committed to him. Some speculate Hink Dogg wanted Dat Zingis and the ownership overruled him. If that were the case--they didn't even want the very next player taken--they certainly were not open to trading down/out either.

If some of the reports flying around now are true, his trade value is every bit as high as it was during the offseason if not higher given the lack of available pieces on the market.

And it's not like Mudiay, Hezonja, and Winslow are exactly lighting up the NBA. Booker's really the only guard available at that point who they'd rather take and nobody was taking Booker #3.

It's also tough to fault the pick since Hinkie made it but then Colangelo was the one who refused to deal Okafor this past offseason. I think Hinkie probably would have jumped at the C's deal of the #3 for Okafor (if that was a legit rumor.)

We would've already drafted Elfrid Payton instead of Dario Saric.

And this year we would be drafting no one because our guards would be Payton and MCW, plus we would owe our pick to Orlando for the Andrew Bynum debacle.

Sixers fans keep saying it, but we were fucked up before. Not just the talent level, but we owed 1st round picks to like 3 teams and all we had to show for it was arnette moultrie and jason richardson.


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Same as it ever was!

or trade for a guy who plays a position you need..

instead of ending up with 4 guys who play the same position...and trying to make trades to get far less than a lottery pick value in return.

Only to trade down to fill positional needs.

Bruh...stop typing today.


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Same as it ever was!

trying to justify drafting the same guy like 4 years in a row...

a strategy that not only no other team has implemented...but one that has obviously failed the sixers...

>trying to justify drafting the same guy like 4 years in a
>row...
>
>a strategy that not only no other team has implemented...but
>one that has obviously failed the sixers...
>
>


We didn't draft the same guy and you know that. And it hasn't failed us because we have Embiid, Simmons, and Saric. You can keep harping all you want about draft slots and positions. But some teams believe that the point of the draft is to get the most talented players. Period.

Imagine GSW had passed on steph because of his ankles and they already had Monta Ellis.


Once again. Nothing to apologize for. We're better than the Lakers RIGHT NOW and set up better for the future. And that's after giving you a 9-10 win head start. With no ben simmons and Embiid missing 20 games. LOL Be my guest and root for some more lakers wins. I want that pick this season so I can act a fool and troll TF out of you.





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Same as it ever was!

and stop arguing for now

>>trying to justify drafting the same guy like 4 years in a
>>row...
>>
>>a strategy that not only no other team has implemented...but
>>one that has obviously failed the sixers...
>>
>>
>
>
>We didn't draft the same guy and you know that. And it
>hasn't failed us because we have Embiid, Simmons, and Saric.
>You can keep harping all you want about draft slots and
>positions. But some teams believe that the point of the draft
>is to get the most talented players. Period.


but you also have Nerlins and Okafor....using lottery picks. Whatever you get with trades of those guys is going to be compared to the position they where Nerlins and Okafor were drafted...

and there are teams that are always in the lottery...there are some that are in it for a few years and end up improving over time to NOT be in the lottery.

the goal is to put a team on the court that is going to get better and win...


>Imagine GSW had passed on steph because of his ankles and they
>already had Monta Ellis.

but see Monta Ellis is a proven player in the NBA.... you know you're going to be able to trade him for some value because teams have seen him be successful in the league...

unlike drafting guys who haven't been proven hoping to trade them


>
>Once again. Nothing to apologize for. We're better than the
>Lakers RIGHT NOW and set up better for the future. And that's
>after giving you a 9-10 win head start. With no ben simmons
>and Embiid missing 20 games. LOL Be my guest and root for
>some more lakers wins. I want that pick this season so I can
>act a fool and troll TF out of you.


yeah...the Sixers aren't better than the Lakers...they have a better record by a couple of games and we've played more games on the road....in a tougher conference..... the Lakers are in a solid position moving forward.... we got a Center for our future...drafted in the 2nd round...any trade we make aren't to fix any log jams at any position...


nobody is trolling the Sixers...they've been sorry for quite a number of years are on another tank mission...

so lets see what if anything they get back for Okafor and/or Nerlins....

See post 97
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Same as it ever was!

They couldn't get the Lakers to bite on a deal so trading up was out. They were a rebuilding team so they wouldn't want a veteran for #3 and if a young player was worth that pick, odds are that they team wasn't going to deal them for Okafor.

And if they had picked 'Zingis, none of this would be an issue. It's not that they went for the best man available, it's that they were wrong on who the best man available was.

Again, the problem isn't that they drafted Okafor, it's that they didn't trade him this past offseason. Hinkie should have pulled the trigger when the C's offered the Nets pick at the deadline. Colangelo should have made the deal before the draft.

Don't forget, it wasn't like Embiid and Noel were sure things at the time either.

Think the Lakers could get more for Russell right now? Bwahahahaha. Also at the time the Lakers needed a center.

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Orlando has agreed to trade Serge Ibaka to Toronto for Terrence Ross and a 2017 first-round pick, league sources tell @TheVertical.National Writer (twitter.com)
submitted 7 minutes ago by NuggetsPotRoastBoobs


Gotdamn they got a 1st round this year for an expiring contract? Thats pretty solid. Tross about to put up some good numbers on bad team

They turned Oladipo and the 11th pick into Terrance Ross and a pick in the 20's. LOL

I like Ross tho. They need to flip henzonja at some point.


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Same as it ever was!

They need to flip henzonja at some point.
>
>
>

Someone will bite

It takes some time to acclimate to the NBA, let alone for a 19 year old (now 21) who has been yanked around minutes-wise for an organization with seemingly no direction. His confidence has to be at zero.

I would love to buy-low on a kid with his talent and place him into a team and development first atmosphere.

He's been an absolute embarrassment. Couldn't even put him on the floor type of embarrassment.

And we're talking 5 or 6 series worth of sample size. Dude does NOT care about basketball or is just really, really shy and scared. He'll shoot well in low-intensity games during the season though. He'll drop 20 or 25 in an empty arena or quiet game a few times a season.

It's a risk but TRoss hasn't really proven himself to be a tough commodity to replace and a late first isn't worth THAT much. The Raptors have to try to win now and there isn't a better deal out there for what they had to offer.

The Magic went win now and didn't. Nice of them to get something for Ibaka but it really makes you wonder how much longer Rob Henigan has left there. As noted, a bad return on the investment they made on Ibaka. It's better than getting nothing back for Tobias Harris but Henigan's managed his assets into the ground. Not sure any of his picks have a higher value than they did a year ago.

>It's a risk but TRoss hasn't really proven himself to be a
>tough commodity to replace and a late first isn't worth THAT
>much. The Raptors have to try to win now and there isn't a
>better deal out there for what they had to offer.
>
>The Magic went win now and didn't. Nice of them to get
>something for Ibaka but it really makes you wonder how much
>longer Rob Henigan has left there. As noted, a bad return on
>the investment they made on Ibaka. It's better than getting
>nothing back for Tobias Harris but Henigan's managed his
>assets into the ground. Not sure any of his picks have a
>higher value than they did a year ago.

Hennigan not so much. This is a good deal only in the sense that you got something for a guy you were definitely going to lose. The bigger question is how you even got there.

He's giving away all these assets for less value.


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Too many GMs don't acknowledge the bad situation and end up watching the guy walk.

I've said for a few years now that the Magic should be packaging their assets for vets. Now they're mired in NBA purgatory and basically need a miracle lotto win to get them out since none of their guys have value. They'll have money to spend this offseason but not sure who would want to go there right now.

Oh, and LOL at 17 million a year for Biyombo. He and Fournier eating up 34 million of the owner's money might be the biggest sin of all.

>Oh, and LOL at 17 million a year for Biyombo. He and Fournier
>eating up 34 million of the owner's money might be the biggest
>sin of all.

When you have Parson making 22mill per, Fournier making 17mill isn't much to complain about.

He's a better offensive player than Oladipo who's on the books for 21mill per & Clarkson got every dime under the "Arenas provision" but is getting badly outplayed by Lou/Swaggy. Fournier on the Spurs would be the best guard on the team & worth every dime of his 17mill contract.

Orlando's offseason was what I hate - people overpaying to get their 4th or 5th starters when they don't have any of their top three stars set. Adding another 10 million on Terrence Ross probably isn't getting the books headed in the right direction IMO.

I get they had to pay Fournier so they didn't lose him for nothing but after four years of rebuilding Henigan now has Fournier, Biyombo, and Ross eating up nearly half of his payroll. That's not a recipe for future employment.

>Orlando's offseason was what I hate - people overpaying to
>get their 4th or 5th starters when they don't have any of
>their top three stars set. Adding another 10 million on
>Terrence Ross probably isn't getting the books headed in the
>right direction IMO.

They should have gone after Barnes & moved Gordon to the 4 then tried to run teams off the floor instead of signing Vogel (responsible for the Biyombo/Ibaka moves) who is a shitty offensive coach that had George Hill spotting up for 5 years as if he was Mario Chalmers. (Now he has Hezonja rotting on the bench)

Hornacek was the coach they should have gone after & Vogel would also have been a better fit for the Knicks.

i'm the biggest masai fan here, but they waited way too long on this.

it was an obvious hole in their roster construction that they tried to paper over with half-measures, and by waiting until they were in a state of desperation it ended up costing them a guy in ross that they really didn't want to relinquish.

that said, ibaka's a massive upgrade at the 4 who is playing well and will help them a lot. they still probably can't beat cleveland but it's a far more interesting series now.

>i'm the biggest masai fan here, but they waited way too long
>on this.
>
>it was an obvious hole in their roster construction that they
>tried to paper over with half-measures, and by waiting until
>they were in a state of desperation it ended up costing them a
>guy in ross that they really didn't want to relinquish.
>
>that said, ibaka's a massive upgrade at the 4 who is playing
>well and will help them a lot. they still probably can't beat
>cleveland but it's a far more interesting series now.


Not sure they didnt want to relinquish Ross. They have a capable replacement in Powell.

Masai is good still not great. Im interested to see what happens to Casey. Word is Lowry wants him out too.

from all i've heard, they really didn't want to give up ross, and just changed their thinking on that in the last day or two.

but this is a good move for them. they're a better team than they've shown over the last 14 games. this is the type of aggressive move they needed to make to right the ship.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the day after Atlanta says that Millsap isn't going anywhere that Toronto makes the Ibaka happen.

I think the "We want to keep Ross" talk was a bit of a smokescreen. He was always going to be a part of a deal; he's their only real movable asset and he's not THAT great to be untouchable.
I'm mostly bummed that a so-so wing and a late first is what it took to get the deal done and the Celtics are still sitting on the sidelines. Ibaka would have been an interesting option alongside Horford. Danny probably offered James Young and a 2nd

aka "the danny special"

>probably offered James Young and a 2nd

*snigger*

gotta love danny.

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The Raptors acquired forward Serge Ibaka from the Magic, but the Celtics passed on a potential Ibaka deal because of a reluctance to part with second-year guard Terry Rozier, according to CelticsBlog.

http://www.celticsblog.com/2017/2/14/14611328/source-celtics-orlando-magic-trade-talks-over-serge-ibaka-stalled-out-terry-rozier-toronto-raptors

Orlando sent Ibaka to Toronto for Terrence Ross and a 2017 first-round pick. The Raptors (32-23) have fallen to the fifth spot in the East, four games behind the No. 2 Celtics (36-19), who trail the East-leading Cavaliers (37-16) by two games.

The knee injury to the Cavaliers' Kevin Love, who'll be out at least six weeks after surgery, has convinced Toronto to go all in, according to the CelticsBlog report.

Sources: Toronto became motivated to go all in with Love injury news. Some around the NBA believe he may not make it back this year.
— Keith Smith (@KeithSmithNBA)
February 14, 2017

The Celtics, according to the report, are not interested in giving up assets, including first-round picks and prospects such as Rozier (averaging 5.6 points, 1.7 assist, 3.1 rebounds and 18.0 minutes per game), for short-term acquisitions (the 6-foot-10 Ibaka is a potential free agent) that do not clearly put them over the top for title contention.

I like Rozier and he's improved a ton since last season but we already have Zeke, AB, and Smart and are going to have a top 3 pick in a point guard heavy draft, we can afford to move him to help win this season. Isaiah and Horford aren't getting any younger.

Ibaka is a worse rebounder than Amir Johnson right now (rebounding rate), and is not quite killing it as a shot blocker anymore. You don't give up assets for marginal improvement.

but with regards to Ibaka...if you're looking for a banger, rebounder, rim protector...that's just now who he is anymore. Can he get back to that? I dunno. He's basically gonna float out on the wing and around the 3pt line on offense and play some weak side defense.

Not sure why you'd expect more than marginal improvement. You're not getting a home run trade with Zeller, Rozier, and a 2018 late first.

EDIT: My guess is that if Ibaka had another year on his contract, Danny would have pulled the trigger on the deal. But Danny's not someone who's going to risk trading a prospect for half a season.

Rozier is insurance in the event that Danny pulls a major trigger and ends up parting with Smart or Bradley. Flexibility for the big move.

a significant positional upgrade (ibaka is currently 9th among PFs in overall player efficiency, while johnson is 33rd) and a much better chance at winning the conference this year certainly isn't worth giving up your 10th man.

then holding on to Rozier makes sense.

Terribly constructed team with poor drafting...and now you waste two of your best bullets in exchange for Ross and a late 20's pick.

It's not like Oladipo was a bust and they just drafted Sabonis.

More wheel-spinning from Orlando but yeah given the situation right now they salvaged a suspect decision by getting good return for Ibaka.

I like the move for Toronto not so much from an asset management standpoint but in terms of making a push.

but the Ibaka of old is washed.

Hes basically reduced to floating around the perimeter, being a mediocre rebounder, and sometimey rim weakside rim protector.


Sure he's solid and better than anything the raptors were running out at 4, but he also isnt gonna move the needle.

.

hahha

Is this going to get them past the Cavs? No. Might it make the difference against an earlier round opponent like Boston? Sure. The Raptors would like to win two series, get experience and sell tickets. This move helps them do that at a not-so-high cost. I don't think they were satisfied with what they had. This takes their pressure off their main guys. I doubt another player will move who 1) would help them more and 2) was attainable for them.

Id actually love brook to stay in Brooklyn with Lin for another year as they start to put more puzzle piueces together, but some contender could really use him --even if its more as a specialist center.

You get him for this season + 1, and he seems like the type of guy that would stay loyal and re-sign afterwards if it was the right fit.


I think Boston could really use him actually. Definitely not at the cost of giving Brooklyn the pick back, but there could be a mutually beneficial deal there.


He'd also help the Wiz and him and Gortat could work 24 mpg. I know the wiz wouldnt trade Otto, but thats supposed to be the nets big FA target this summer. They will max him out and let the Wiz match.

He'd make a nice Spur but dont really see a trade that makes sense there.

The Rockets could use his size. Theyve been getting killed by big teams like Mia and Utah. Brook has dominated Whiteside this year h2h offensively.

I think he'd help Portland into the playoffs and could split with Nurkic. But I doubt Portland trades for another C even though they have the picks the Nets covet.

Hell, I think for all the fringe west teams besides Sac:
NO
DAl
Minn
He would make them the co-favorite with Den for the 8th seed.

and Brook is more valuable than both those guys IMO

But at 28 and an offensive asset...BK ain't giving him up for peanuts.

BOS should send a few young pieces (Smart or Rozier + jaylen), LA+Clev+Min 2017 second rounders, Memphis' 2019 1st rounder and maybe a few of their younger C's (olynyk and zeller).

That might get it done...though Brooklyn will likely want their 2018 1st back. If BOS agreed to that, I would protect for anything above top 2. So if BK isn't 1 or 2 in the draft, we still get the pick.

NO just doesn't have the assets. What, this years 1st, Tyreke and Tim Frazier?

Jaylen/Smart are more valuable than 'Reke and Frazier. Add in that Evans is an expiring deal and it isn't close IMO.

I think the best option is likely reuniting the Lopez Bros in the United Center - Rondo (for salary reasons), Dougie McBuckets, Denzel Valentine, and/or Bobby Portis for Lopez

Demps is fighting for his job so he might have extra reason to make a deal for a potential half year rental to get the 8th seed but the Pelicans would have to give up Evans, Frazier, and Galloway to make the money work, plus a likely pick. Betting on AD, Brook, and Jrue to make it through the second half unscathed with a thin bench is tough and then you have to re-sign Brook and Jrue.

Ainge is going to see Evans and Frazier as the lead assets in the New Orleans rumor and take any top asset off of the table. On top of that, to make the money work, we'd have to throw in another body like Jerebko which I'm sure Ainge will see as reason to lesser the key assets going forward. Ainge would probably want Brook to pick up his option and still only offer Amir, Rozier, Jerebko and the C's 2018 first.

On a different front, might OKC look at dealing Kanter for Brook and maybe Bogdanovich? BK gets a younger big who is locked up for a couple of years. OKC replaces the injured Kanter with a vet and gets help at the SF spot.

I think that NO deal that was being floated around was trash.
Tyreke while talented isnt the type of culture fit the Nets are building with and they have a lot of young 1/2s theyre trying to develop that would suffer.Frazier, same...they dont really need another mediocre pg. Galloway, again...The value is the 1st round pick, but if its not this year, to me, who cares too.


I think realistically from Boston Id ask for some combo or one of these guys
Zeller
Jonas
Smart
Rozier
Jaylen

and some pick. I dont think they should give this years 1st obviously, and maybe next year's 1st from Brooklyn is too much too. Just send them the 2018 Boston 1st if its still available.

>Jaylen/Smart are more valuable than 'Reke and Frazier. Add in
>that Evans is an expiring deal and it isn't close IMO.
>
>I think the best option is likely reuniting the Lopez Bros in
>the United Center - Rondo (for salary reasons), Dougie
>McBuckets, Denzel Valentine, and/or Bobby Portis for Lopez
>
>Demps is fighting for his job so he might have extra reason to
>make a deal for a potential half year rental to get the 8th
>seed but the Pelicans would have to give up Evans, Frazier,
>and Galloway to make the money work, plus a likely pick.
>Betting on AD, Brook, and Jrue to make it through the second
>half unscathed with a thin bench is tough and then you have to
>re-sign Brook and Jrue.
>
>Ainge is going to see Evans and Frazier as the lead assets in
>the New Orleans rumor and take any top asset off of the table.
>On top of that, to make the money work, we'd have to throw in
>another body like Jerebko which I'm sure Ainge will see as
>reason to lesser the key assets going forward. Ainge would
>probably want Brook to pick up his option and still only offer
>Amir, Rozier, Jerebko and the C's 2018 first.
>
>On a different front, might OKC look at dealing Kanter for
>Brook and maybe Bogdanovich? BK gets a younger big who is
>locked up for a couple of years. OKC replaces the injured
>Kanter with a vet and gets help at the SF spot.

I think they wouldnt do that unless they get a pick back too.
They may be able to move Bogdanovich separately, and I think hes the Net most likely to get moved

I'm sure Ainge is hoping for a younger superstar in return for a package including Smart or Brown. Jaylen is a wild card at this point so tough to give up on him. Smart is kind of a rich man's Tony Allen to me. Defensive menace, offensively has potential that will probably never reach the point of where you want to have to actually depend upon him but he can put up some points.

>I'm sure Ainge is hoping for a younger superstar in return
>for a package including Smart or Brown. Jaylen is a wild card
>at this point so tough to give up on him. Smart is kind of a
>rich man's Tony Allen to me. Defensive menace, offensively has
>potential that will probably never reach the point of where
>you want to have to actually depend upon him but he can put up
>some points.
>
>
Unless you believe Rozier has a high ceiling. Zeller and Jerebko fit the culture of the Nets but they have guys like that. Both those guys I think youd agree are pretty much maxed out ceiling wise.

Zeller for example isnt necessarily better than Booker. Its another body and if you give up Brook you definitely need another guy that can play C since Justin Hamilton is meh.

I think they want a #1 plus a guy with the potential to be decent.
Not even superstar level, but someone with the upside of potential upside of Caris Levert even if he never gets there.

Again I think Boston fans would argue that Rozier is in that class of player, but then there's redundancy with him and Levert.

I thought he was supposed to be a good shooter but he's barely above 30% from three. I really like Levert but I'd put Rozier in the same level, maybe a little higher. If Levert can get his shot back, he and Rozier might be a decent backcourt duo. Or, at least, one could start and the other could be sixth man when they get a better guard.

Smart and Brown are just better prospects than Caris and Brook doesn't help Boston's defense or rebounding enough for them to really be in the discussion.

>I thought he was supposed to be a good shooter but he's
>barely above 30% from three. I really like Levert but I'd put
>Rozier in the same level, maybe a little higher. If Levert can
>get his shot back, he and Rozier might be a decent backcourt
>duo. Or, at least, one could start and the other could be
>sixth man when they get a better guard.
>
>Smart and Brown are just better prospects than Caris and Brook
>doesn't help Boston's defense or rebounding enough for them to
>really be in the discussion.


But honestly I'm getting more and more skeptical of how shooting percentages in college translate to NBA. It's a different game in terms of spacing and distance and I don't think you can easily say a 38% shooter there will be one in the NBA.


Keep in mind he was out for a long time with the injury and didn't have a long offseason to work in the NBA shot.


I think his best asset is his versatility. At his best I don't know he's a superstar but hopefully becomes the kind of player Otto porter is

>Jaylen/Smart are more valuable than 'Reke and Frazier. Add in
>that Evans is an expiring deal and it isn't close IMO.

I said NO doesn't have the assets.

>I think the best option is likely reuniting the Lopez Bros in
>the United Center - Rondo (for salary reasons), Dougie
>McBuckets, Denzel Valentine, and/or Bobby Portis for Lopez

We not sending Denzel. Maybe Taj. I'd be ok with this but we'd need another (or 2) 3pt shooters. And probably need to fire Hoiberg as he wouldn't be able to do anything with this roster lol

>Ainge is going to see Evans and Frazier as the lead assets in
>the New Orleans rumor and take any top asset off of the table.
>On top of that, to make the money work, we'd have to throw in
>another body like Jerebko which I'm sure Ainge will see as
>reason to lesser the key assets going forward. Ainge would
>probably want Brook to pick up his option and still only offer
>Amir, Rozier, Jerebko and the C's 2018 first.

The reason I went with my deal was:

1) To keep Bk from asking for the 2017 swap and 2018 #1 back.
2) They still have Zizic and Yabeusele (sp?) in the tank so they can spare Zeller/Olynyk (and may need to).
3) Clear some of that 2nd round pick clutter. The C's should be contending for the next 7 years if they do this right. Young high lotto talent and a top tier playoff team happening at the same time.

Ainge has worked wonders but he has to be looking at the future too.

He might have Fultz or Ball this year. Another top 3 pick next year. And depending on if the Clippers blow things up or not, could have another lotto pick in 2019. Add those picks to the current overseas stashes and the guys currently in their primes pushing the top of the East and there's a monster to be made.

Adding Brook to Horford, IT3 and Bradley gives them a super solid core for 2-3 years (assuming they reup Brook). Then your young high lotto talent and overseas stashes fill out the roster around bargain vets. You got a shot at winning today AND in the near future.

I just don't think Brook's worth that much to the Celtics.

I think I might max out on Zeller, AB, and lotto protected C's 2018 pick. If Marks wants (as rumored) two firsts, see if a third team wouldn't ship a first for Bradley. C's haven't skipped a beat since AB's been out so I might be willing to part with him and promote Smart to full-time starter.

I'd just prefer a defensive monster over Brook if we're giving up one of our core guys.

And given his health, it would be dumb of him to agree to pick it up. He's another foot injury away from losing millions of dollars.

>And given his health, it would be dumb of him to agree to
>pick it up. He's another foot injury away from losing millions
>of dollars.

http://hoopshype.com/player/brook-lopez/salary/

What player option? Wouldnt it be blue if it were?

I saw another site that didnt list it as an option.


Also, I dont think his injury issues will ever be free and clear but the last 3 seasons he's missed under 10 games-- some of that is just due to rest.

Nets are doing a good job managing his minutes and resting on back to backs. Dont know if his new team would do that, but it seems like he's moving towards Ilgauskus levels of health after a terrible career start. (Knock on wood)

http://en.hispanosnba.com/salaries/teams/brooklyn-nets

But Howard Beck tweeted at the time that there was no player option. https://twitter.com/HowardBeck/status/616275449400963072

My bad.

That definitely helps what the Nets could ask for but I still wouldn't offer Smart or Jaylen for him. And I'm not a huge fan of either guy.

I think the Nets want picks more than anything & they could do Demps dirty just like Ainge did em dirty by offering Brook/Bogdan & taking Asiks contract for multiple 1st rd picks.

I'm not sure the Pelicans could do better than this line-up:

Brook
AD
Bogdan
Buddy
Jrue

Reporting that Pistons and Magic discussed Reggie Jackson for Jeff Green and DJ Augustin.

I'm not fan of Reggie but that seems like an awful return for him. I just read a lengthy article about how Reggie's struggled to return from injury but Detroit is still in no rush to move him and also, if this is all they are looking for, how has nobody made an offer to make the deal happen?

I could see this being Orlando's offer but you'd think one of their disappointing young guys would be going to Detroit in return, at least.

>Reporting that Pistons and Magic discussed Reggie Jackson for
>Jeff Green and DJ Augustin.
>
>I'm not fan of Reggie but that seems like an awful return for
>him. I just read a lengthy article about how Reggie's
>struggled to return from injury but Detroit is still in no
>rush to move him and also, if this is all they are looking
>for, how has nobody made an offer to make the deal happen?
>
>I could see this being Orlando's offer but you'd think one of
>their disappointing young guys would be going to Detroit in
>return, at least.

.

http://tinyurl.com/z2nu392

I feel like that dude could all of a sudden change his mind again and say Boogie is off the table. That being said, all of the rumblings say it is close to done.

Kind of surprised that the Pelicans' offer is the best they can do. Buddy Hield and two picks? I wonder if Vivek saw the Rookie Game and was impressed.

https://twitter.com/WojVerticalNBA/status/833537296007823361

.

https://twitter.com/Rachel__Nichols/status/833536379770462210/photo/1

But he forgot Hield in his first tweet so who knows.

We needed that pick to fall outside of 10 to get it.

LOL, you guys won't get it until like 2022

If that Kings pick is top ten this year we get a protected 2nd round pick. What a joke.

Hope that protest game makes some waves and the arena keeps looking empty and quiet.

(/^O^)/ PICK SWAP FOR BALL OR FULTZ, OVER HERE OVER HERE!!! \(^O^\)

I could be mistaken but I think the super-max is only available to people who are still on the team that drafted them so he's losing money. But might be worth it to get out of Sacramento. Pels aren't the best organization but they are better than Sac-town. Boogie and AD will be fun to watch.

Confusing all around
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5 guys in the paint.

I'm way lower on Boogie than most, but his and AD don't fit in today's NBA.


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Jrue hitting 39% this year. Moore at 38%. Hell, Boogie shooting 35% this year. AD's jumper is good enough to feed off of Boogie in the paint.

Asset-wise, it's a win for NO. They didn't give up much to get a bona-fide All-Star. And they could have a fired up Boogie for the 2nd half of the season.

They'd need 3 dead eye shooters for this to work. And Boogie to get better
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They're 2.5 games out of the playoffs. I think this deal should get them in.

It's not a deal without issues but I think Cousins fits with AD better than Asik does. And I think Alvin Gentry is a good enough offensive mind to figure out how to play these guys together.

But in the West? How does this help them against the Warriors or Spurs?
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The Pelicans want to make the playoffs. This helps them. Maybe they don't fit but if they don't, the Pels can probably get back a similar return this offseason.

The Pelicans were a team with limited assets and were going nowhere. They're now going to be one of the most intriguing teams in the 2nd half of the season. They've become relevant beyond the "Should they trade AD?" rumors that were starting.

No one trade was turning the Pelicans into the Spurs or Warriors. But they turned Hield and a mid-first rounder into an All-Star which is too good to pass up.

Worst case scenario: Amare/Shaq circa '08-'09

Best case scenario: Z-Bo/Marc

Realistically: Amare/Melo circa '10-'11

and spacing.

Like soul honky says, both guys arent traditional old school bigs. They can bothe play the high post and boogie can hit the 3.

My bigger question is how Gentry will make them work. Both are playmaking bigs who have the ball a lot for modern bigs, and theres only one ball. But both are above average passers.

I imagine a lot of high low looks. Defensively AD will be able to help Cuz a lot.

Boogie is a shit defender
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>Boogie is a shit defender
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><================== Learn the name now before everyone gets
>dunked on

he's actually pretty good. when he tries.

>Like soul honky says, both guys arent traditional old school
>bigs. They can bothe play the high post and boogie can hit the
>3.

When Jrue has been healthy, the Pelicans were at their best running PnRs but I feel like Boogie might turn the offense into a bunch of isolation sets (especially w/ the lack of shooters) ala the Knicks after the Melo trade.


>My bigger question is how Gentry will make them work. Both are
>playmaking bigs who have the ball a lot for modern bigs, and
>theres only one ball. But both are above average passers.

If you look at what he did w/ the Shaq/Amare Suns, he fed the ball to Shaq & had Amare playing at the elbow or running PnPs w/ Nash. In this case, they could run their offense through Boogie in the post & have AD play at the elbow or run PnPs w/ Jrue. Basically, no more AD/Jrue PnRs b/c Boogie is going to be camping in the paint.

>I imagine a lot of high low looks. Defensively AD will be able
>to help Cuz a lot.

If Gentry is smart they should, Marc/Z-Bo who used to feast off high/lows when Z-Bo used to duck in every time down the floor. The difference is that AD would be the one playing at the high post instead of Boogie who's the superior passer.

AD isn't a better passer than Z-Bo who is actually one of the best interior passers in the league which is why double teams don't fluster him.

Defensively, AD is much been better at the 5 b/c his PnR coverage is underwhelming for a mobile big. The Asik/AD frontline used to get murdered by PnRs.

Easily. He's been doing it.

with the chance to pair up with Booker.....but then again, could be Sarver

Bizarre that there appeared to be a bidding war and that's all they got.

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Then get him for free *and* have Ingram.

But that said, we've been burned by a center in the past so...I get the hesitation.

Id want to keep Ingram and DLo - anyone else can go, but I hope we're right.

... that any deal that would've sent Ingram would've included Deng and Mozgov or something like this, in order to allow Cousins to be signed long-term? I guess?

I just understand why, if Cousins either (a) couldn't be immediately signed for a long contract or (b) wasn't a guarantee to sign with another team why LA would hold onto assets and wait instead.

We're sitting at right under 30 million this year, and that's including Lou + Tarik who come off the books after next season (the former probably this season considering his value is at an all time high).

Even w the Moz and Deng deals, we set ourselves up to have a near max slot. Push comes to shove, cut Moz and use the extend provision to space out his salary cap hit over more years.

Regardless, the dude I want is PG14. We have to show steady improvement next year as well to have a chance at him.

he ain't never made the playoffs. he 27. he shoot 45% from the field. he needs the ball.

Talent is undeniable but that attitude and childishness is unbearable.

I'm surprised NO ONE else's offer in the league didn't compare....I don't get it....

The Kings fell for Buddy Hield so they went with the lesser offer to get him.

Weirdest explanation of a trade ever?


http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18727486/kings-gm-vlade-divac-says-received-better-demarcus-cousins-trade-offer-2-days-ago


Asked why he didn't wait until closer to Thursday's trade deadline to make a move, he said, "Most likely we would get less, because I had a better deal two days ago."

As to why those talks didn't result in a trade, Divac said to "talk to those agents, what do they say? I don't want to go into details. I don't want to discuss the process."

In the trade announced Monday, the Pelicans received Cousins and swingman Omri Casspi while sending Buddy Hield, Tyreke Evans, Langston Galloway, a 2017 first-round pick and a 2017 second-rounder to the Kings.

A front-office source familiar with the Kings' thinking said owner Vivek Ranadive's adoration of Hield was a key driver in the deal. "Vivek thinks Buddy has Steph Curry potential," the source told ESPN's Baxter Holmes.

"He's talented guy,'' Divac said of Hield. "His work ethic is exactly what we want here.''


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..its really stupid that the situation went on as long as it has, but i'm just happy its over.

cousins & davis could be an interesting foundation.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

https://twitter.com/Andrew_Rogers_/status/833548155077722116

per kevin o'connor:

There were objectively better deals available for the Kings, but since they think so highly of Buddy Hield, that's the direction they went.

Kings view Buddy Hield as a top 5 pick, per source. In their eyes they received a top 5 talent and a top 10 pick, if Pelicans stay mediocre.

It's a late lotto pick at best. Deep draft but they're basically all-in on Hield.

I like Buddy just fine... as a PIECE. He's the guy you pick if you need a shooter to support your main two stars or something.

Garbage return. Only fitting for Sac.

>per kevin o'connor:
>
>There were objectively better deals available for the Kings,
>but since they think so highly of Buddy Hield, that's the
>direction they went.
>
>Kings view Buddy Hield as a top 5 pick, per source. In their
>eyes they received a top 5 talent and a top 10 pick, if
>Pelicans stay mediocre.


This^^^^is why the Kings r shit....

whatever they can get in the next couple of drafts. They're literally right back to where they were before they drafted Cousins.

He's an expiring deal.

It's all-in on Hield.

But a team finally topped that disastrous Sixers Suns trade for Barkley.

Holy shit.. how did that phone call work?

Hey Dell heard your looking at Reke, 2017 protected pick for Jah. Throw in Buddy and a 2nd and we'll give you Boogie.

Milliseconds later - DEAL!

Lol
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Two stars on their last legs for 3 unprotected 1st rounders. Unfuckingheard of.

This and the Barkley deal certainly nestle in right under but nothing tops that Nets trade.

>Two stars on their last legs for 3 unprotected 1st rounders.
>Unfuckingheard of.
>
>This and the Barkley deal certainly nestle in right under but
>nothing tops that Nets trade.


He really doesn't have to do any real work until 2020 lol

Always get the feeling that deal feels incomplete because everyone keeps talking about what ainge is going to do with those picks.

THIS was supposed to be the deal to make with some of those assets. Guess it's Jimmy Butler or bust now.

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Guess he's an authority on bad trades. LOL

Still talking that McGrady deal that ALMOST happened.


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they got an all-star in his prime for 50¢ on the dollar, and can still flip him this summer if it doesn't work.

masterful job by their FO.

>they got an all-star in his prime for 50¢ on the dollar, and
>can still flip him this summer if it doesn't work.
>
>masterful job by their FO.


This is pennies on a dollar. Embarrassing. I'm surprised the NBA hasn't stepped in to dead this shit. If someone told me the Kings FO was all drunk when they signed off I wouldn't be suprised.

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a player asset like buddy hield and a mid 1st rounder is about half of what you'd expect to get for a guy like cousins.

his value is depressed somewhat by his awful attitude, loserness, and known status as a crazy person, and the team trading him is run by incompetent bozos, so this is the type of return you get.

nobody was giving up a ton for that guy. kings got what they could. should've moved him aeons ago.

>nobody was giving up a ton for that guy. kings got what they
>could. should've moved him aeons ago.


But they didn't have to get fleeced either....

but the market is the market. I think ppl are dramatically overestimating the guy's value.

personally I tend to err on the side of "the ppl actually involved have way more information than I do", and if this is all they got, that alone tells you what kind of offers they were looking at.

guys like mitch kupchak and danny ainge weren't about to empty their coffers and give up a ton of assets for this crazy bastard, man. lol. even as talented as he is.

I'm sure they got some offers that were comparable or even a little better overall, but I guess they viewed hield as the best individual asset of all the packages and decided to go in that direction. I'm not defending the sac FO, they're clearly incompetent. i'm just pushing back on this idea that there were these far greater offers out there to be had.

the league has spoken loud and clear on what they think of this guy.

Divac just came out and said he had better offers on the table.....

Nah....it's ridiculous....

Speaking to the offers for DMC getting progressively worse and why he felt the need to pull the trigger on Sunday rather than wait any longer.

Vlade also hinted at the agent's meddling...and now we're getting reports of how the agent was informing teams that DMC very well may leave in FA.

It was a judgement call by Vlade...do I get what I can now in a fizzling market and be done with this headcase or hold out hope that someone makes a better offer as the trade deadline looms ever closer? They took the former obv.

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18725359
https://art19.com/shows/vertical/episodes/23d1837c-ec2c-486b-88b0-ad50527c0168

woj, windhorst, bobby marks, zach lowe, all saying the same thing: talked to multiple team execs since sunday night, and the market was severely depressed. no one was interested in taking on this guy and his prince akeemian quantity of baggage unless it was for absolute rock-bottom dirt cheap, i.e. one pick and 1 young player.

literally every team in the league could've topped that NO offer if they esteemed him highly enough to be worth it. clearly they didn't.

there's definitely a disconnect between fans' perception of his value and what actual nba FO ppl (who've seen behind the curtain and heard all the years of boogie horror stories) were willing to give up. especially with his agent explicitly telling teams he wouldn't extend.


>Speaking to the offers for DMC getting progressively worse
>and why he felt the need to pull the trigger on Sunday rather
>than wait any longer.
>
>Vlade also hinted at the agent's meddling...and now we're
>getting reports of how the agent was informing teams that DMC
>very well may leave in FA.
>
>It was a judgement call by Vlade...do I get what I can now in
>a fizzling market and be done with this headcase or hold out
>hope that someone makes a better offer as the trade deadline
>looms ever closer? They took the former obv.

>http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=18725359
>https://art19.com/shows/vertical/episodes/23d1837c-ec2c-486b-88b0-ad50527c0168
>
>woj, windhorst, bobby marks, zach lowe, all saying the same
>thing: talked to multiple team execs since sunday night, and
>the market was severely depressed. no one was interested in
>taking on this guy and his prince akeemian quantity of baggage
>unless it was for absolute rock-bottom dirt cheap, i.e. one
>pick and 1 young player.
>
>literally every team in the league could've topped that NO
>offer if they esteemed him highly enough to be worth it.
>clearly they didn't.
>
>there's definitely a disconnect between fans' perception of
>his value and what actual nba FO ppl (who've seen behind the
>curtain and heard all the years of boogie horror stories) were
>willing to give up. especially with his agent explicitly
>telling teams he wouldn't extend.
>
>
>>Speaking to the offers for DMC getting progressively worse
>>and why he felt the need to pull the trigger on Sunday
>rather
>>than wait any longer.
>>
>>Vlade also hinted at the agent's meddling...and now we're
>>getting reports of how the agent was informing teams that
>DMC
>>very well may leave in FA.
>>
>>It was a judgement call by Vlade...do I get what I can now
>in
>>a fizzling market and be done with this headcase or hold out
>>hope that someone makes a better offer as the trade deadline
>>looms ever closer? They took the former obv.
>

Like another day or two he could've changed his mind again.


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They have a ton of assets that contenders could want. Could they package them?

This trade could mean Brooklyn holds onto Brook cause it took a potential partner away and it deflated the possibility of what they want in return

says he talked to an unnamed exec who told him there's a zero % chance that brook moves for 2 firsts, and prolly not even 1 first.

there's just a ton of that type of player available right now via trade, so there's no real market.

every team now is trying to move these "all low-post O, no D, no 3, no rim protection, can't switch PnR" big guys, or make them 20 mpg bench guys.

>says he talked to an unnamed exec who told him there's a zero
>% chance that brook moves for 2 firsts, and prolly not even 1
>first.
>
>there's just a ton of that type of player available right now
>via trade, so there's no real market.
>
>every team now is trying to move these "all low-post O, no D,
>no 3, no rim protection, can't switch PnR" big guys, or make
>them 20 mpg bench guys.


Im not saying there is a market for brook, but it was lazy for a guy with zachs "knowledge" to lump brook in as a no 3 guy and a no rim protection guy. Especially given his penchant for advanced stats. Brook surprisngly to most is an above average rim defender statistically if nothing else because his size ... the old ytao ming rim protection

>Im not saying there is a market for brook, but it was lazy for
>a guy with zachs "knowledge" to lump brook in as a no 3 guy
>and a no rim protection guy. Especially given his penchant for
>advanced stats. Brook surprisngly to most is an above average
>rim defender statistically if nothing else because his size
>... the old ytao ming rim protection

The Blazers offered Pau (who is a terrible PnR defender & not a better rim protector than Brook) a 2yr/40 mill contract before giving Leonard (who can't protect the rim & isn't a better PnR defender/shooter than Brook) a 40mill contract.

They can offer he Nets Leonard/Vonleh(who is now expendable after the Nurkic trade) + Ezeli's expiring contract (team option) to match salary then throw in a 1st rd pick from the Nurkic trade (they have THREE 1st rd picks in 2017): http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=grotv9f

But how much incentive does por have to get 2 C only guys?
It's good if you have brook to have a competent backup so you can limit his minutes and rest him, but does por need to do that for nurkic? When he's in shape he can be a 30 mpg guy.


If I'm the nets I'd take that deal u were talking or look at ed Davis to replace one of them.

Maybe look at harmless, stay away from crabbe.

>But how much incentive does por have to get 2 C only guys?

Ed Davis can eat the backup 4 minutes & Aminu/Harkless also play at the 4.

>It's good if you have brook to have a competent backup so you
>can limit his minutes and rest him, but does por need to do
>that for nurkic? When he's in shape he can be a 30 mpg guy.

Nurkic hasn't been able to finish at the rim since his knee injury & he is going to be asked to finish on PnRs like Plumlee. He's best served as a backup who can give you 15-20 minutes like Aron Baynes until he proves otherwise.

I feel like Casspi's better than he was utilized in Sacramento. Nothing special but he'll help space the floor for Cousins and AD.

clipps could've gotten him for a song and he would've really helped them at the 3.

And also, he was never good in any one game against the Doc-coached Celtics eight years ago, so how good could he really be?

>I feel like Casspi's better than he was utilized in
>Sacramento. Nothing special but he'll help space the floor for
>Cousins and AD.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/tiny.cgi?id=CLQJ2#advanced::22

Pels have a glut of bigs now, might sell low on Jones. I'll do a James Young for TJones deal.

>Pels have a glut of bigs now, might sell low on Jones. I'll
>do a James Young for TJones deal.

Probably can get WCS and future picks.


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>Probably can get WCS and future picks.

He's done nothing for the C's from what I've gathered.

Maybe it's just a log jam there that can't get him on the court.
Or he just hasn't gotten any better since joining the league.


think he can blossom a bit in other situation?

Everyone could have had him for cheap and he had to take a nothing deal with the Pels. Young's improved of late but he's a bench player.

>Everyone could have had him for cheap and he had to take a
>nothing deal with the Pels. Young's improved of late but he's
>a bench player.


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to taking being a pro seriously.

Last time he did it, we announced Horford signed.

Asst. GM laughed that 2017 is the year when a player randomly tweets an eye emoji and he gets 20 calls about what trade is happening.

Isaiah started following 'Melo on Twitter. C's followed him on Instagram. Doubt that is happening since Phil hates the C's and I don't think Ainge would give up much for 'Melo.

Part of me feels like C's will stand pat and hold out for signing Gordon Hayward. Although that doesn't help our defense or rebounding.

http://nesn.com/2017/02/andre-drummond-fuels-celtics-trade-rumors-by-using-isaiah-thomas-tweet/

So...Smart is prolly gone if this is true. Seems like the type of player SVG loves and he's trying to move Jackson so he'd need a replacement. Maybe one of their C's (Zeller/Amir/Olynyk?) or the stashes (Zizic & Yabusele) plus the Nets pick?

Smart+Zizic+Zeller+Nets 2017 or 2018 would be a good haul for the Pistons.

Celtics post trade:
IT3
Avery
Crowder
Horford (where he REALLY wants to play)
Drummond

Maaaaaaaaaan and they still keep the Nets pick next year.

lol every former thibs player is rumored to be wanted by the wolves

The deal would be something like: Rose and O'Quinn for Rubio, Pekovic, and Shabazz.

Minnesota clears Rubio and Pek's contracts, gets a backup big man for cheap.

If Rose wants to agree to become a backup; he can re-sign with Thibs. If not, he heads elsewhere.

Knicks land Rubio and get a young guy in Muhammed for eating last year of Pek's contract.

last night I was brainstorming some kind of


Knicks get Rubio, Crowder, Pekovic's likely write-off and Zeller plus a Nets pick (likely 2018's)

Celtics get Melo and O'Quinn

Wolves get Rose and Amir Johnson

I think this trade works pretty well for every team for a variety of reasons I went into detail about and then decided not to post because A) it probably won't happen and B) it all hinged on Rose being fine coming in behind Kris Dunn which I realized isn't likely.

Basically, Celtics get more balance on offense throughout the game (the Thomas 4Q story is great, but kinda ignores the Celtics play a LOT of close games) and a sneaky good player ready to break out in regular rotation, Wolves get cap flexibility and a team completely composed of young bodies ala 76ers and Knicks get some sneaky fun players to play with while refocusing on Billy and Zinger and hopefully still being bad enough while having an alright time to get good draft position.


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up the nets picks tho unless its for a star in their prime.

Replace that 1st rounder with jaylen brown tho

Getting just under 20 minutes per game on the third best team in the East at 20 years old and he's still on his rookie contract when Melo's contract ends. He's playing better than Butler and about as well as Giannis at the same point in their careers. With Thomas, Melo, O'Quinn, Horford, Smart, Bradley, Brown and Olynyk the Cs don't need that 2018 pick IMO.


but this trade won't happen, I don't see Stevens wanting Melo.\


on that note, I WOULD trade Brown for Butler or George, but you don't put him in a deal for Melo IMO. Melo is too old to give up a young player who's already learning to contribute at a high level.


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The Knicks have zero leverage right now and 'Melo doesn't solve Boston's biggest issues (rebounding and defense). If the C's are going after him, it's because they think Phil will sell him for pennies on the dollar.

>The Knicks have zero leverage right now and 'Melo doesn't
>solve Boston's biggest issues (rebounding and defense). If the
>C's are going after him, it's because they think Phil will
>sell him for pennies on the dollar.

my argument is O'Quinn does and would be a sneakily huge upgrade over Johnson. but I like O'Quinn a lot despite his never showing/having the opportunity to show much consistency. I think he's ready. His minutes haven't changed at all from the beginning of his career but all his advanced stats indicate he's ready for a bigger role than he can possibly have in NY.


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I don't think we should give the pick up for 'Melo and Kyle O'Quinn does not move the needle enough to change that. Especially with next year's class looking like it could be top heavy with big men (Ayton, Bamba, Carter, Robinson, McCoy.)

Minny wants no part of Reggie Jackson.

Thibs has been rumored to acquire every former Bulls player starting from the offseason. So far he signed none.

that much that he'd want desperation contract mode Rose on that roster? That sounds like a complete disaster.

The trade doesn't make sense unless Thibs thinks Rose would be a step up to help them compete for the #8 seed.

And as much as I think the pick is more valuable, getting these kids into a playoff race might mean more to their growth than tanking yet again.

Also, weird because I thought reports were that things didn't end all that well for Thibs and Rose.

>Also, weird because I thought reports were that things didn't
>end all that well for Thibs and Rose.


Nah...Thibs loves Rose.....

.

-

huge move for them imo.

He can shoot and he can create for himself.

another guy for Harden.

.

I knew they would do something.

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Brewer's contract expires the same time as Lou's, after next season...the max slot is still intact.

Williams is now their... third-string shooting guard? He's tiny and doesn't play much defense, and they gave up one of their better defensive players and a draft pick to get him. Just seems odd and I'm not sure it makes the Rockets better.

They could move Gordon back to the starting lineup now as well and have Lou Willz handle the scoring in the 2nd unit.

Brewer wasn't doing much of anything so it's good to have a 4th guard in the rotation that you can rely on.

harden/EG and bev/willz pairings for the most part, regardless of who the nominal starter is.

Seems like a move made to out-gun the rest of the league, but I don't think this squad is going to be able to out-gun that top tier teams regardless. It's just... weird.

Seems like one of the only possible strategies of beating them, other than crushing them inside (the tack the Pelicans seem to have taken).

However, the only real loss in this deal is the pick; Brewer's plus/minus might say he's a decent defender for the Rockets this season, but he's one of the worse heavy-minute rotation players league-wide. He's a horrific long-range shooter, can't create a good shot for himself almost ever, has lost several steps defensively and takes so many chances on that end that he will inevitably be a defensive liability against better teams in the playoffs, and has even gotten significantly worse at his one once-elite skill, finishing in transition. Replacing his shots and touches with Williams's can only lead to higher offensive efficiency. And the Rockets have the league's second-best offense already, so, yeah.

Williams will obviously not be the force in Houston that he was in LA, but his shooting and creative abilities against a defense likely sloped away from him because of Harden or Gordon's creation on the other side of the floor will make him fit fine.

...is the right strategy. But I guess you've got to roll the dice on something given the personnel available. And it very much is in D'Antoni's wheelhouse.

>Seems like one of the only possible strategies of beating
>them, other than crushing them inside (the tack the Pelicans
>seem to have taken).

And that's what I imagine Memphis will do as well.

>However, the only real loss in this deal is the pick; Brewer's
>plus/minus might say he's a decent defender for the Rockets
>this season, but he's one of the worse heavy-minute rotation
>players league-wide. He's a horrific long-range shooter, can't
>create a good shot for himself almost ever, has lost several
>steps defensively and takes so many chances on that end that
>he will inevitably be a defensive liability against better
>teams in the playoffs, and has even gotten significantly worse
>at his one once-elite skill, finishing in transition.
>Replacing his shots and touches with Williams's can only lead
>to higher offensive efficiency. And the Rockets have the
>league's second-best offense already, so, yeah.

Fair enough. I figured the real loss was the pick, but even in a deep draft it won't be THAT huge of a loss. It might have been nice for the team to have though rather than a few months of Williams.

>Williams will obviously not be the force in Houston that he
>was in LA, but his shooting and creative abilities against a
>defense likely sloped away from him because of Harden or
>Gordon's creation on the other side of the floor will make him
>fit fine.

I guess I see it as a move that will help them solidify where they are right now, rather than make them appreciably better.

The market for Lou is a late first rounder, and the Rockets get a great scorer to bolster the bench....plus they dump Brewer. Good trade.

They have so much inside knowledge of clients and talks around the League. Almost like insider trading in some ways. You can't really regulate that cause there's all different tiers of agents.


Just saying I know pelinka isn't even hot in the seat yet, but he's giving his employees the company with no stake? That's some straight trump shit lmao.
Then we're expected to believe the agents who used to work for him whose company he gave wontbsxratch his back, ever?

Not surprising the lakers made a deal with the rockets where pelinka has what? 3 clients? Who knows how involved rob is, but you gotta say hmmmm.


It's always been an interesting gray area for me. That and shoe companies being able to offer incentives for a player to play in x city

Maybe a top 55 protected pick in 2036.

Will throw in Marcus Smart if we included Ben Simmons and the Lakers pick.


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And he probably loses a few nights' sleep before agreeing to include Rozier.

Our shot at Nerlens was before the season. His play and the fact that he gets along with Embiid probably doomed that. As did Embiid's latest injury. Going to need a quality backup to limit his minutes.

I love Smart, but the top of this draft is all guards, so the logjam would have to be alleviated somehow.

or maybe Lakers?

https://twitter.com/AdamMKaufman/status/834142929119764481

https://twitter.com/incarceratedbob/status/834259054583222273


www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

I like Myles Turner but I'm not seeing how the Pacers are going to be able to add the missing piece they need to become contenders in the season and a half before George can opt out.

Although, at this point, waiting until the offseason seems to make more sense. Also, if PG-13 was really available, you'd think you'd hear more rumblings about Teague and Thad being on the block as well.

>I like Myles Turner but I'm not seeing how the Pacers are
>going to be able to add the missing piece they need to become
>contenders in the season and a half before George can opt out.
>
>
>Although, at this point, waiting until the offseason seems to
>make more sense. Also, if PG-13 was really available, you'd
>think you'd hear more rumblings about Teague and Thad being on
>the block as well.

Not for scraps anyway. He's not Vlade.

So Celt and lakers fans..any deal will hurt.


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Per a couple rumors

If Jae is the sticking point they just need to pull the trigger already.

Not that I'd like to see Boston get that much better, but that's easy.



http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/nba-trade-rumors-jimmy-butler-to-celtics-getting-real-crowder-the-sticking-point/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
NBA Trade Rumors: Jimmy Butler to Celtics getting real; Crowder the sticking point

That article makes it sound like Danny is offering Jaylen, the Nets pick, probably another pick or two, and filler like Amir or Zeller. Not sure you can expect to land Butler without giving up one of Smart, Bradley, or Jae.

And I wouldn't be surprised if Bulls ownership preferred Jae's cheap contract to having to overpay to keep Marcus Smart in a year or so.

Ultimately, if we can get Butler for Jae, the Nets pick, and Amir, it's a done deal but we'd need to make another move to land another forward who could match up against LeBron.

Your essentially bringing the same team back next year, you don't pass on Butler because you won't have all the pieces now this year.

Even with Jae yall still likely lose to the Cavs.

My point is get Butler if you can, Crowder isn't that good to kill the deal.

Ultimately, if the Bulls don't blink, Ainge needs to fold his bluff and send Jae along. And hopefully have a plan B going for this year rather waiting on next year.

>Ultimately, if we can get Butler for Jae, the Nets pick, and
>Amir, it's a done deal but we'd need to make another move to
>land another forward who could match up against LeBron.

Does Crowder match up well against LeBron?

It would likely fall onto Butler to be the main initial defender against LeBron. The C's threw Jae and Evan Turner in LeBron's way in the past but they'd have Butler and then Smart might be next in line and he's undersized. There's also Jerebko and Amir but I can't see them keeping up for long. It'll be like when we were trying to guard him with Brandon Bass.

>It would likely fall onto Butler to be the main initial
>defender against LeBron. The C's threw Jae and Evan Turner in
>LeBron's way in the past but they'd have Butler and then Smart
>might be next in line and he's undersized. There's also
>Jerebko and Amir but I can't see them keeping up for long.
>It'll be like when we were trying to guard him with Brandon
>Bass.

https://twitter.com/APBullsHoops/status/834616287695355904

"OK, so Gar, no #1 and no Jae. Let's talk.

Gar? Anyone there?"

if the bklyn '17 and crowder are both out of play.

that's just silly to me.

if i'm chicago, i'm asking for those two, plus one of brown/smart/bradley, or there's nothing to even talk about.

that's essentially what they wanted at last yr's draft, and i don't think much has changed since then.

shit, if anything, butler's value has *risen* since.

Rose held outta practice
Rubio following KP and deleted Minny from his Bio lolol

Wishful hoping.
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the entire basketball universe chattering about danny's team while he's running around offering jaylen brown, rozier, amir and the #26 pick for your superstar. he's gotta have the largest erection in recorded human history right now.

https://twitter.com/Melanism/status/834494458569883648

holding court, signing someone in the offseason and then unloading his assets for veteran depth or a fourth star.

I could be missing something since I don't follow Boston that closely but it appears to me that he's in an ideal position to play hardball.

with it.

another shooter for Wall to find

2017 1st and Nicholson.

Nice for BK.




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Bog + Mccullough (whose had moments in dleague but been meh in callups


For the 1st, Nicholson and Marcus Thornton

It's a relatively small deal (6 million) but it's got three more years after this one.

thyll kick the tires on him first, supposedly.


I dont think hes a franchise changing talent by any means but I like his offensive game (orlando version). Tricky and crafty in the post with an ability to hit 3s


His defense and rebounding suck though

I like the trade tho.
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We needed a player coming off the books after next season.

Not sure if this indicates an Okafor deal is imminent (Detroit reportedly balked at Philly trying to package Okafor in a trade for KCP) bc Splitter's health is still a question mark.

I imagine splitter gets waived or bought out

He'll fit well down there. Wondering if we'll use these 2nd rounders as extra pieces to move a certain someone

Feel bad for the dude. Signed to bucks and had been traded like 5 times in 2yrs. Family still in Milwaukee.

But he served his purpose here. It's all about Dario and soon enough Ben at that spot.



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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources-76ers-trade-ersan-ilyasova-to-hawks-010647441.html

the guy just gets it, he understands the right way to play basketball in 2017 (frees and 3's) and doesn't completely kill you on defense and the boards like the stereotypical euro

just seems like one of those dudes who's destined to be a great bench cog for the spurs or rox at some point down the line

Dude needs to have some shooters around him. Worst place to put him is somewhere where he needs to vacate the paint for Wade and Butler can.

And he doesn't mesh with Hoiball at ALL.

Maybe Hoi can teach him some new things, though? Maybe? Trying to see the bright side.

>http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources-76ers-trade-ersan-ilyasova-to-hawks-010647441.html


Bulls---Gar/Pax.....The Gang That Couldn't Shoot Straight......

Dumb ass trade scenario....But I can't say I'm surprised.....