Comeback tour lasted less than a minute.

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.....then got KOTFO by a kick-boxer. Women's MMA was in the stone-ages & was NEVER on the level of other blood sports.

that was worse than my worst expectation

>that was worse than my worst expectation
>

And even that fight was lopsided

I'm speechless at how easy that was.

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Good lord.

>Comeback tour lasted less than a minute.

>>Comeback tour lasted less than a minute.
>

you cant sell her after that.

she dont want it

did she not learn anything from her last fight about standing there eating punches? jeez that was ugly.

https://streamable.com/vcdm6

Almost feel bad for her.

>https://streamable.com/vcdm6

http://tinyurl.com/glw9xcd

For those that missed it, this is video footage of the fight mixed with audio of Ronda's coach advising her as the fight goes on. Wonder how long this link will last for.

I do respect the sportsmanship at the end. She seemed genuinely concerned that she was ok. SMH @ the trainer yelling "Clench!!" as Ronda was getting her face punched off.

I think there's two or so archived threads about her where I complimented her; her grappling skills with respect to her judo are top notch. It appears the stand up striking is starting to evolve for the women compared to when she had her reign with the title and she hasn't gotten better in that regard. Evolve or get left behind.

and the debate was her weak ass competition at the time.

That wasn't even the discussion but let's not bring that nonsense up again.

Check this shit out: http://tinyurl.com/ju5hk93

I just remembered the thread being made and folks in general actually arguing Rousey had a chance against Floyd.

A fight between a mma fighter and a boxer who knows zero grappling. Take the names and genders out of it and the MMA fighter wins every time. That is all.

i stand with my statement. otherwise they all gonna end up like James Toney (who at least had the balls to try).

She's a judoka but for some reason the last couple fights she's been out to prove that she's got hands. She never has had any real striking ability beyond setting up a throw or takedown. Her normal tactic was bull rush to hip throw and then groundwork to an armbar. Stick with what you know. She's gotten punched more in these last two fights than in her whole career.

But there's a big difference between training and actually executing. Once she got struck, Ronda fell right back into the same patterns as the last fight...it's pretty obvious imo she was not mentally recovered from that loss.

>But there's a big difference between training and actually
>executing. Once she got struck, Ronda fell right back into the
>same patterns as the last fight...it's pretty obvious imo she
>was not mentally recovered from that loss.

It's also possible 1) Ronda might have a weaker chin after that massive headkick KO from Holm and 2) Amanda Nunez punches extremely fucking hard. Nunez also made very very quick work for Meisha Tate when she won the belt, similar straight jabs and right hands took Meisha down.

Not saying you aren't wrong in what you said, but you have to also factor in what I said as well. I also think that Edmund Tarvedian dude is a shit show of an MMA coach and that has to be mentioned as well.

I knew it was gonna be a problem when Meisha said that Amanda was the hardest punch she's ever felt.

>I knew it was gonna be a problem when Meisha said that Amanda
>was the hardest punch she's ever felt.

This. The game was clearly changing. She needed to get a win before going in with someone who was ready to go toe to toe. If that meant fighting a tomato can, eff it. The backlash for doing that is less than the backlash she's gonna eat for this shell-shocked showing. Now, they probably won't be able to throw her into any fight and make it 'the thing to see' on a card. So she's basically done as a fighter..probably.

No one is interested in seeing her fight tomato cans and real talk, the game has changed and the chances of her getting mopped up by a lesser opponent is high as shit.

Might as well get a title fight while her name was still hot

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/fe/54/5b/fe545bd256c5355a853605a42251f7db.jpg

Floyd wouldn't beat Holly Holm, Meisha Tate, Amanda Nunes or Ronda in a real fight in the octagon. not sure why anyone would believe otherwise.

>Floyd wouldn't beat Holly Holm, Meisha Tate, Amanda Nunes or
>Ronda in a real fight in the octagon. not sure why anyone
>would believe otherwise.

If she gets in Floyd's range, he would tattoo her face & we all know she can't even take a jab from a girl that's Floyd's size.

Floyd isn't going to clench with her so she would have to walk him down which means she is going to eat punches from a guy who knocked out Ricky Hatton w/ a left hook (weaker hand) when he was trying to walk him down without head movement like Ronda.

Besides, he can just use his brute strength to disengage a clench (not that difficult without a judogi) if he ever get into that situation before she can set up her judo throws. It's not like Floyd doesn't have experience disengaging clenches as he actually initiates them in the ring.

first of all Amanda caught her before she ever tried to clinch with her, but that's beside the point. what makes you think a boxing clinch and an MMA clinch is the same thing? how would a boxer know how to defend a clinch where the intent was to throw them down? a clinch in boxing is used to stop the action whereas it's only the beginning in MMA. what's a boxer going to do when someone gets them in a Muay Thai clinch? what about a shoot to the lower body or legs for a takedown? come on man.

>first of all Amanda caught her before she ever tried to
>clinch with her, but that's beside the point.

She tried grabbing her shoulder but Amanda shrugged her off & kept blasting.

>what makes you
>think a boxing clinch and an MMA clinch is the same thing?
>how would a boxer know how to defend a clinch where the intent
>was to throw them down? a clinch in boxing is used to stop
>the action whereas it's only the beginning in MMA.

You have to disengage clenches against inside fighters & Floyd has experience w/ that against the likes of Hatton who was a world class fighter.

>what's a
>boxer going to do when someone gets them in a Muay Thai
>clinch? what about a shoot to the lower body or legs for a
>takedown? come on man.

Ronda isn't known for her Muay Thai clench, she's known for her judo throws.

i truly feel like the majority of the Ronda hate is based on this ridiculous debate.

>i truly feel like the majority of the Ronda hate is based on
>this ridiculous debate.

Ronda is a one trick pony who didn't even wrestle in high-school & doesn't have high level BJJ/Muay Thai/kick-boxing training. She can grapple but she has to take her opponent down with her judo throws instead of level changes like a wrestler. Holly was also able to stop a take down attempt while pinned against the fence & then arm bar attempt after Holly actually took her down b/c of her brute strength. Do you think Holly is stronger than a world-class professional male boxer her own size?

Misha was able to keep Holly on her heels b/c of the level changes which wasn't an issue w/ Ronda who had opponents running to her lap or was able to walk them down since they didn't know how to control their range.

If you think greatest defensive fighter of his era is going to be hit by Ronda's overhand right or knees which she has used to finish fights then watch how Holly made her looks like a bull chasing a matador w/ her footwork & she isn't even known for her defense as a kick-boxer. Ronda also got lit up b/c she squares up while standing flat footed which gives her opponent a huge stationary target especially w/ the lack of head movement.

>Ronda is a one trick pony who didn't even wrestle in
>high-school & doesn't have high level BJJ/Muay
>Thai/kick-boxing training.

you know that describes a lot of MMA fighters right? there's a lot of grapplers who aren't strong on their feet and vice versa. there's an elite few who can put it all together equally. the great majority are very strong in their base discipline and know the other basics.

She can grapple but she has to take
>her opponent down with her judo throws instead of level
>changes like a wrestler. Holly was also able to stop a take
>down attempt while pinned against the fence & then arm bar
>attempt after Holly actually took her down b/c of her brute
>strength. Do you think Holly is stronger than a world-class
>professional male boxer her own size?

Holly did not stop her with brute strength. Holly stopped her with technique. she said herself that they specifically trained on avoiding Ronda's standing throws and submission attempts on the ground. i don't know any boxer that trains grappling/takedown/submission defense so their strength won't have much to do with stopping from being thrown and then armbar'd. Ronda picked Michael Strahan up off his feet with minimal effort. do you really think she couldn't throw Floyd?


>Misha was able to keep Holly on her heels b/c of the level
>changes which wasn't an issue w/ Ronda who had opponents
>running to her lap or was able to wal
k them down since they
>didn't know how to control their range.


Holly hasn't won a fight since she beat Ronda. Ronda beat Meisha twice. Ronda also beat 2 women that beat Amanda Nunes before. i'm not saying Ronda can't be beat cuz clearly we've seen that she can. i'm just saying she deserves more credit than she's being given. she started believing her hype and started trying to be something she wasn't and paid the price for it. i do agree that she needs to learn some wrestling and start shooting for the legs instead of just going for the high clinch and throw. she's clearly been figured out and she needs to change things up and for goodness sakes stop trying to box with these girls.

>If you think greatest defensive fighter of his era is going to
>be hit by Ronda's overhand right or knees which she has used
>to finish fights then watch how Holly made her looks like a
>bull chasing a matador w/ her footwork & she isn't even known
>for her defense as a kick-boxer. Ronda also got lit up b/c she
>squares up while standing flat footed which gives her opponent
>a huge stationary target especially w/ the lack of head
>movement.

Floyd is the greatest defensive BOXER which would only help him in the octagon if someone dared to stand and strike with him. Ronda or any other MMA fighter wouldn't even have to connect on a punch to be effective. unless he can pull off a one-punch knockout he'd be done in a matter of seconds regardless who he's fighting. i don't see it any other way.

i swear this is the dumbest argument ever.

>you know that describes a lot of MMA fighters right? there's
>a lot of grapplers who aren't strong on their feet and vice
>versa. there's an elite few who can put it all together
>equally. the great majority are very strong in their base
>discipline and know the other basics.

Which is why female's MMA is in the stone ages.

>Holly did not stop her with brute strength. Holly stopped her
>with technique. she said herself that they specifically
>trained on avoiding Ronda's standing throws and submission
>attempts on the ground. i don't know any boxer that trains
>grappling/takedown/submission defense so their strength won't
>have much to do with stopping from being thrown and then
>armbar'd. Ronda picked Michael Strahan up off his feet with
>minimal effort. do you really think she couldn't throw
>Floyd?

Her picking up Strahan while he provides ZERO resistance is the equivalent of her picking up a 250lb punching bag which means nothing in the octagon. Holly had NEVER been taken down until the Misha fight & she was a freakin' kick-boxer. Give Floyd a 3 month training camp & he would be fine.
>
>Holly hasn't won a fight since she beat Ronda. Ronda beat
>Meisha twice. Ronda also beat 2 women that beat Amanda Nunes
>before. i'm not saying Ronda can't be beat cuz clearly we've
>seen that she can. i'm just saying she deserves more credit
>than she's being given.

Misha got out-grappled by Ronda & Davis/Cat rushed Ronda when the bell rang digging their own grave in the process. Amanda also lost those fights b/c she got gassed after the 1st rd. Ronda basically never had to stand-up & fight until the Holly fight.

>she started believing her hype and
>started trying to be something she wasn't and paid the price
>for it. i do agree that she needs to learn some wrestling and
>start shooting for the legs instead of just going for the high
>clinch and throw. she's clearly been figured out and she
>needs to change things up and for goodness sakes stop trying
>to box with these girls.

Floyd would get on his bicycle & make it a boxing fight just like Holly. If Ronda wants to rush in w/ her flat-footed & no head movement style then she is going to pay for it severely.

>Floyd is the greatest defensive BOXER which would only help
>him in the octagon if someone dared to stand and strike with
>him.

It's called freaking footwork. Floyd is hard to hit even when he's cornered & slip out of range before his opponents even have a chance to counter.

>Ronda or any other MMA fighter wouldn't even have to
>connect on a punch to be effective. unless he can pull off a
>one-punch knockout he'd be done in a matter of seconds
>regardless who he's fighting. i don't see it any other way.

This is how the fight would end: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_SIc-fQb3I

And I say clinch because, clearly, that's all she can do

did she know she was washed when she stepped in the ring or when that first punch connected?

also *rolls eyes* at suddenly this being the only fight in her career that counts.




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for the sport. I'll never disparage anyone in fighting sports because it's a tough and lonely process, even with a supportive team.

Takedown/ground based fighters that don't have any stand up are dinosaurs in MMA now(and God help you in real fights if you think going to the ground is ever a good idea), it took some better competition in the women's division to find out what we know to be true in men's MMA.

which...I can understand.

her face tonight was my face in the lone sparring session I ever went to.

nope nope nope. I can't get psyched up to get in the ring and get punched in the face, even if it means I can punch the other person.

whatever skills she did or didn't have before, she does not appear to have whatever drive you need to be a fighter right now

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For better or for worse. In this case, it's evident Ronda never recovered from a mental standpoint as she so quickly reverted back to the same form once she took a few punches.

just flat footed, easy target, no counters, no aggression -- she was scared to be hurt, and had no confidence she could hurt her opponent.

it was a live case study of an athlete that was not there mentally. like a pitcher who can't find home plate or running back trying to avoid all hits to his reconstructed knee. you can only compete at this level at one speed, and that's gone for her. very sad to watch unfold.

Once that creeps in, it changes your entire approach/purpose and therefore performance. As you said, this was a live case study in that regard.

There's so much grey area when it comes to return to sport whether that be after injury or loss or any other trauma. That reality is a major reason why I always have a 3 stage process for return to play:
1) Objective physical criteria including movement quality
2) sport and position specific movements
3) I will either attend the first few games or have them video'd for me so I can assess quality and confidence of movement within a game setting.

You'd be shocked at how many so called "return to sport protocols" don't even assess #1 effectively, let alone 2 or 3. It's pretty embarrassing.

Do you do this for third string division 2 defensive
backs?

No.

She's not an elite athlete. Never has been.

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SHe got gassed up beating women of even lesser skill than her. As soon as she ran into women who could actually, ya know, fight well she was cooked. Naturally that leads to a mind fuck.

either you don't know MMA at all, or you're just a Ronda hater who's enjoying her demise. some of the all-time great HOF UFC fighters have taken some colossal beatings on their resumes. believe it or not Ronda could make a comeback but she's got to make some major changes top to bottom.

She hadn't earned shit.

she's got 10 submissions in her victories, mostly by armbar. she should be sticking to what she knows and not trying to stand up and box when she has no business doing that. she's not the first submission artist with little to no standup game. just like there's a bunch of fighters with good standup and little to no ground game.

https://twitter.com/hungarianjordan/status/814945291111632897

>

I don't think any other race has the charisma fo' this pimpin' (c) Bradley

.

She carried herself so poorly when she was on top - shitting on her competition mercilessly while also trying to be some female sports icon. But this exposes her to be a fraud, a mental midget who never deserved to speak so flagrantly as she did when she was on top.

see also: hillary clinton

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/clinton-couldnt-win-over-white-women/

Those who were though? No amount of evidence would have ever shake their faith in her.

I think 2020 is the centennial

White women gonna be partying in their white outfits

Celebrating all them Elizabeth Cady Stantons and nem

Umm pretty much all them white suffragists was racist, openly
courted white supremacists to push they cause

White women about to party, black women about to crash
that shit SOOOOO good

SOOOO good.

White women not good about their place in the patriarchy

LMAO @ the Trump vote

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that is on her trainer. She obviously don't have anyone around her to tell her that this dude is fugazi.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmZRNRFgsyE

>they should retire.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnOWPl-nSI8

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/columnist/martin-rogers/2016/12/31/ronda-rousey-coach-edmond-tarverdyan-ufc-207-amanda-nunes/96031676/

I'm surprised at the MMA knowledge from that USA Today writer; dude pretty much covered all the bases on Ronda's shit show of a coach.

Women are highly intelligent and skilled

We didn't do that when Chuck Ledell got fucked up

He just got fucked up

Rousey got fucked up

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under his tutelage, Jake Ellenberger and Travis Browne that got worse when they switched from their prior training camps to him as well. They fell for the hype of Ronda dominating her early matches with her superior Judo skills into thinking he was a good overall MMA coach.

against Derrick Lewis, Travis Browne trained at Black House instead of going with Tarvedian. I don't know when he made the switch and if it's was before or after Rousey's latest loss.

Did yall see what she did to tate?

she should have done. She hit a stationary target...repeatedly...until the target fell.

Her power and accuracy were what made it such a short fight, but I would like to see her fight better prepared competition. Then we will see her best. She didn't have to have her A game to knock Rousey out.

Even when was winning she would eat a punch or two to get in for the clinch. That obviously won't work against strong bovers.


It was a terrible fight to take unless she did it for the payday, which would explain her media avoidance pre fight

she gets her ass kicked win or lose lol

Including "Ronda has been part of the USADA drug testing since she was 16 years old, never failed a drug test, always paid her taxes, never been arrested, never been to rehab, has zero divorces, zero DUIs and zero children."

http://drannmaria.blogspot.com/2016/12/i-have-this-to-say-about-my-daughter.html

LMAO. Ronda Rousey is white feminism.

>

It's damn near THE bit for this period of time. Folks stay wanting cookies for what was once considered 'basic' stuff.

That song came on in the shuttle from the parking lot to the aiport yesterday, and i thought of this post and started lol'ing.

“Yeah because she thinks she’s a boxer. He like put this in her head and make the girl believe in that,” Nunes told FOX Sports about Tarverdyan at the UFC 207 post fight press conference. “I don’t know why he did that. She has great judo and then she can go more forward in this division but he put some crazy thing about her boxing and then her career started like going down.”

http://www.foxsports.com/ufc/story/amanda-nunes-rips-ronda-rouseys-head-coach-ruining-career-123116

Rousey is an adult. She can take the credit and the blame
for her own ass whoopings.

She was overrated.

She's blonde and had a good marketing team. That's what
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Yes, it is Ronda's fault she lost to Holm and Nunes. Not saying she is without blame, but her terrible MMA coach isn't doing her any favors as well. He isn't giving her to proper coaching to success given her already stellar Judo skills. Nunes is effectively correct in that Ronda shouldn't try to outstrike women fighters that already have years upon years of stand-up striking skills under their belt already. Use some rudimentary stand-up skills to setup her takedown attempt, not to out-strike or ever worse try to knockout someone with better hands and feet than you.

What are we basing this on? We didn't see her go 2 or 3 rounds in her last fight. We literally saw her try for 48 seconds to stop someone from jabbing the fuck outta her. She prolly wanted to do all the clenching and grabbing but ole girl tagged her.

Maybe it's coaching... but more than likely we just watched an overhyped fighter against some good strikers. I'm not too familiar with Rousey besides seeing her end fights in 20 seconds with an arm bar.

She won a lot of hearts with that wack ass pose and mean mug but the reality is Rousey hasn't been invested like these other fighters. One foot in the ring and one on the red carpet doesn't cut it.

She needs to learn how to duck.

We don't do this when men are overhyped and get fucked
up.

We blame the adult men who got fucked up.

She doesn't need that level of analysis, because she's
a grown adult who is good at her job. She's just a better
marketer than she is fighter.


>Yes, it is Ronda's fault she lost to Holm and Nunes. Not
>saying she is without blame, but her terrible MMA coach isn't
>doing her any favors as well. He isn't giving her to proper
>coaching to success given her already stellar Judo skills.

She isn't "stellar" at shit. She got fucked up twice in a
row. When that happens to dudes, we don't make that excuse.

You're being sexist and aren't giving her credit.

>Nunes is effectively correct in that Ronda shouldn't try to
>outstrike women fighters that already have years upon years of
>stand-up striking skills under their belt already. Use some
>rudimentary stand-up skills to setup her takedown attempt, not
>to out-strike or ever worse try to knockout someone with
>better hands and feet than you.

Or maybe she should better at fighting than she is at
marketing.

She marketed her way well, milked it for everything it was
worth.


But she got fucked up.


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I'd take the time to find posts talking about pacquiao and mayweather's trainers, but I'd rather do worthwhile things with my life.


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>I'd take the time to find posts talking about pacquiao and
>mayweather's trainers, but I'd rather do worthwhile things
>with my life.

When Pacquiao got fucked up, he got fucked up. He
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I appreciate your accuracy in regards to how she was thrust into superstardom because of her white girlness and whatnot, but when her Momma, a decorated champion martial artist, is the one leading the charge sounding the alarm, and you see the same thing happening to MALE fighters out of the same camp, there is a problem.


Don't waste your time on this, because you are wrong.

Y'all really bought the hype.

Maybe she isn't that good? Not bad, just not THAT good and also has a glass jaw?

She won a gold medal.

>She won a gold medal.

At the world championships

Anything else to add to this thread that hasn't been said?

>Anything else to add to this thread that hasn't been said?
I knew what kind of show it would be when the post went up.

From what I have read and stuff going on in media I think a couple things.

Ronda didn't improve, but skill wise I don't think she's done.
Mentally she may be checked out and financially she has no reason to keep fighting but I think she still beats most women in the division.

But...She can retire at a decent age and settle off into the sunset with Travis and have some big ass athletic kids.

Her striking is still so rudimentary but she does have an elite skill set. Despite the trolling here she is an elite athlete. She won a lot of her early fights because she was able to overwhelm her opponents athletically. Erase her mma accolades and she still has a Olympic medal in judo. That alone is a feat that most people here won't understand how hard it is to get to.

The criticism is the Tarvedyan camp have been around since before Ronda lost and I think they're justified for the reasons noted.

Lack of improvement
Lack of elite fighters to train with
Lack of development for any fighter who has joined the camp

I was really shocked Ronda didn't leave after the holm fight.

That said the criticism the camp has gotten for the snapshot of their coaching during the 40 second fight is so stupid. That was a snapshot of the fight in an emotional moment. There is no better advice you can give there and even if you do it's not like your fighter will hear you. Lol at someone using that to criticize them. That's like when people cherry pick one gif to analyze a whole players career in basketball. The things I stated above are more telling.

Getting a good striker to the ground is hard work. Even in men's mma it's hard as fuck to get someone down if you can't throw hands and feet-- which is why early Damian Maia would get shut the fuck down against elite strikers. He's spend the past few years perfecting his grappling for mma with wonderful results. He's had the luxury of not having high expectations like Ronda.

People said she's been training the past year but she really hasn't. She took lot she of the year off and had ballooned to almost 200 pounds. So it wasn't like she was just in the dungeon working all year.

I'd love to see Ronda come back but she's gonna have to build herself back up over time. Would love to seee her at a place like jacksons, but plenty of great camps in LA.
She can get to Kings and cordeiro that would be wonderful...

Unfortunately I don't k ow if she's in a position where she needs that grind unless her ego/competitive spirit push her to do so. The scary part about taking on that challenge is what if you do all the work and you push yourself that hard and at the end of the day you lose again. Can you live with that heartache and be okay with yourself?

If you just ride into the sunset now you can still justify the 3 million payday as a W and not deal with the mental strain of all that.

>>Anything else to add to this thread that hasn't been said?
>I knew what kind of show it would be when the post went up.
>
>From what I have read and stuff going on in media I think a
>couple things.
>
>Ronda didn't improve, but skill wise I don't think she's
>done.
>Mentally she may be checked out and financially she has no
>reason to keep fighting but I think she still beats most women
>in the division.
>
>But...She can retire at a decent age and settle off into the
>sunset with Travis and have some big ass athletic kids.
>
>Her striking is still so rudimentary but she does have an
>elite skill set. Despite the trolling here she is an elite
>athlete. She won a lot of her early fights because she was
>able to overwhelm her opponents athletically. Erase her mma
>accolades and she still has a Olympic medal in judo. That
>alone is a feat that most people here won't understand how
>hard it is to get to.
>
>The criticism is the Tarvedyan camp have been around since
>before Ronda lost and I think they're justified for the
>reasons noted.
>
>Lack of improvement
>Lack of elite fighters to train with
>Lack of development for any fighter who has joined the camp
>
>I was really shocked Ronda didn't leave after the holm fight.
>
>That said the criticism the camp has gotten for the snapshot
>of their coaching during the 40 second fight is so stupid.
>That was a snapshot of the fight in an emotional moment. There
>is no better advice you can give there and even if you do it's
>not like your fighter will hear you. Lol at someone using that
>to criticize them. That's like when people cherry pick one gif
>to analyze a whole players career in basketball. The things I
>stated above are more telling.
>
>Getting a good striker to the ground is hard work. Even in
>men's mma it's hard as fuck to get someone down if you can't
>throw hands and feet-- which is why early Damian Maia would
>get shut the fuck down against elite strikers. He's spend the
>past few years perfecting his grappling for mma with wonderful
>results. He's had the luxury of not having high expectations
>like Ronda.
>
>People said she's been training the past year but she really
>hasn't. She took lot she of the year off and had ballooned to
>almost 200 pounds. So it wasn't like she was just in the
>dungeon working all year.
>
>I'd love to see Ronda come back but she's gonna have to build
>herself back up over time. Would love to seee her at a place
>like jacksons, but plenty of great camps in LA.
>She can get to Kings and cordeiro that would be wonderful...
>
>Unfortunately I don't k ow if she's in a position where she
>needs that grind unless her ego/competitive spirit push her to
>do so. The scary part about taking on that challenge is what
>if you do all the work and you push yourself that hard and at
>the end of the day you lose again. Can you live with that
>heartache and be okay with yourself?
>
>If you just ride into the sunset now you can still justify the
>3 million payday as a W and not deal with the mental strain of
>all that.


Excellent analysis there. Thank you for taking the time and energy for typing that out. That Damian Maia comparison is spot on and like you said, dude didn't have to operate under anything near the attention and hype Ronda got, both deserved and undeserved. I'd love to see Ronda drill, drill, drill, drill, and then drill some wrestling so her double and single leg takedowns are next to pitch perfect. Supplement her top level judo takedowns with wrestling takedowns and learn defensive stand-up skills so her head movement and footwork will allow her to take the fight to the ground. The training from Edmond Tarverdian (I don't care that I'm misspelling his name) to make her into a stand-up knockout artist was a complete waste to time and seems to have inflated her very shallow ego.

Even if she does comeback, with or without leaving Edmund Tarverdian, I think her chin is severely compromised given how she suffered two brutal KO losses in a row. Luckily for her, I think only two or three women have the stand-up skills that can give her problems at the moment, but I wonder if she'll be cautious because of the head trauma she suffered.

that woulda been RIP

got popped AGAIN for taking suspicious substances, Ronda may have had a point in trying to force her to drop to 135 since in theory that would force Cyborg to lose some size and bulk. I think part of the motivation for Rousey wanting to get the 135 belt was to use that as leverage in case Cyborg wanted to fight Rousey.

You are correct though that Cyborg would have brained her something serious; she's lethal with both her hands and feet.

Who hears "gold medal" and thinks "at worlds"

they award gold in all kinds of sports like BJJ, Judo, Sambo, Kickboxing, Muay Thai, etc. a lot of UFC fighters come to the octagon with credentials like that.

not sure what a gold medal has to do with getting her ass kicked. You win some, you lose some.

it's like some of these okp's refuse to believe she may not be as good as advertised.

she was marketed as being unstoppable. so when she gets stopped in remarkable fashion it looks to the general public that she must suck when that's not exactly the case. i can show you a whole bunch of fantastic MMA fighters getting knocked out cold and a bunch more getting choked out and submitted when no one thought it possible. Fedor lost 3 straight (2 knockouts and a choke) and some people still say he's the greatest of all time. MMA fighters lose fights. Jon Jones is about the only one i can think of that really hasn't taken an L in his career (one DQ on his record).

dude is nice but he looks like garbage in most playoff games

I think y'all are trying to have it both ways. Yall want people to view her as unstoppable or one of the greatest but she hasn't shown she is one of the greats.

She had a nice run and some incredible marketing hype but she has yet to live up to it.

she will be viewed as overrated until she shows she can compete with today's fighters.

Rousey got fucked up.

Not listening to shit else about trainers or what
laxative she uses.

She earned the victories. She earns the losses.

Just like men.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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I'm sure that while your having your cup of joe this morning your were musing over the Audre Lorde you were perusing last night (*rolls eyes*). You are so much more fun when you aren't trying to be Fauxtep Bags. I agree this is certainly about gender politics and such, but she is definitely not the first fighter to dutifully follow instructions and get their ass kicked.

Her biggest mistake which clearly falls on her...was staying with that Gym.

I think based on how hard she trains and her competitive nature that she could come back and beat Nunes.


While dudes on here were hyping her up, worried about whether or not they could beat her, I sat on the sidelines because her stardom was what Dana White and UFC wanted...their target demographic (in their minds) by and large is white. So white stars always get fast tracked. She wasn't the first.

But these two losses and finding out that the egotistical, sexist wimp is actually her trainer, has peaked my curiosity to see if this white girl can fight through her privilege (and the low ceiling of expectations set by the men around her) and ego and embarrassment to humble herself and build herself up. Its a great sports story.

I honestly don't see how Dana White doesn't see the dollar signs in rescuing her from that Gym and getting her with some real boxers (or Anderson Silva) and having her come back next year.

Open and shut case man. She got straight slaughtered. This happens all the time in MMA, these sea change fights where an icon of a certain era abruptly runs into the future of his/her division. See; Rich Franklin vs Anderson Silva, Matt Hughes vs GSP, Brock Lesnar vs Cain Velasquez. That's all this is - an icon suddenly becoming a relic.

She got her ass kicked. She's done as champion material, but if she wants to stick around for a few more bouts she will still draw well (but I don't know why she'd stick around)

Of course she got her ass kicked...and I can see the parallels with Franklin/Silva, except Franklin isn't as young as Rousey. Therein lies the difference...she could actually upgrade her skills if she was coached properly. Instead, she was coached terribly, and as a result, regressed, and got her ass kicked.

Evander Holyfield, moving from Light heavy to Cruiser to Heavyweight is an example...those of us who saw this remember him as a light heavyweight, where he was HUGE for that weight class, and absolutely dominated his opponents because of his reach and strength, in addition to his jaw dropping boxing skills....once he arrived as a heavyweight, he struggled initially because he was fighting at 205 against guys who were walking in at 220-240. It also meant his boxing style had to adjust. He could no longer impose his will just through power...and his boxing skills became even more refined. He will probably go down as a good champ, but his adjustment to that weight class in my mind makes him and all time great.


Rousey doesn't have to climb that steep a mountain. Her issue is skills, not talent or jaw for that matter. And those skills can be acquired. that is my whole point in this.

no one at the time said that Franklin or any of those other guys sucked and couldn't fight anymore after their respective beat downs (Franklin basically got worked the exact same way twice). losing two fights in a row is not the end of a career in MMA, especially for a former champion. the only difference with Ronda was her being marketed as "unbeatable" which was a mistake to begin with. it's up to Ronda if she has the psyche to keep going with this or not.

until then she is going to be the great white hype.

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