Where do you think this year's free agents will go?
Where should they go?
What will they make?
What should they make?

And for some reference, since the higher salary cap is throwing salaries out of whack, some recent signings that could be benchmarks (GMs will probably use the last two; agents will throw all the others in their faces when fighting for more dough.)

Terrence Ross: 3 years, 33 million
Reggie Jackson: 5 years, 80 million
Tristan Thompson: 5 years, 80 million
Iman Shumpert: 4 years, 40 million
Greg Monroe: 3 years, 51 million
Jeremy Lamb: 3 years, 21 million
Jae Crowder: 5 years, 35 million
Draymond: 5 years, 82 million

Realistically, I'd say we're looking at a market in which:

Bonafide Starters (bigs) - 12 - 17 million
Bonafide Starters (perimeter): 11 - 16 million
Solid role players: 7 - 12 million (Maybe a little more for bigs)
End of Rotation guys: 2 - 6 million

2016 Free Agents can be found here (pay attention though because 2017 FAs are also listed.)
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12307054/nba-free-agents-2016-2017

Max Cap Space:
http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/240096/The-Maximum-Available-2016-Cap-Space-For-All-30-NBA-Teams

One thing I would ask is that if you're going to shoot down someone's prediction, you need to come with your own prediction. No heckling from the cheap seats.

Start with the obvious one.

My pick is:

He will: sign with the Thunder for the max.

He should: as much as I want to say sign with the Celtics, I think staying in OK City is probably he best play.

the NBA landscape should be a little more clear by then.

It will be for the max. I don't it will be for the maximum amount of years or a two-year contract with a one-year option. But regardless, he will get paid the maximum amount that he can. And he should.

he just strikes me as that kind of dude.

Nike needs him to be back at the forefront after all that money they gave him. his shoe line is floundering badly. putting him on a superteam and giving his brand a refresh might be the jumpstart they need.

but i expect, and hope he stays with OKC.

and I don't mean that facetiously, either. Anyone's shoe line doing good numbers, right now?

for this past season. Definitely saw a lot of Kyrie 1's last year, not so much with the 2's this year though.

That's about it for the signature models.

That's why nike is dropping the price on his shoes like $40 for the new model this year

Nike is expecting Bron numbers from KD. IIRC he might not even be doing kobe numbers

They look/sound like they're going to be great to play in, and they look a lot better than his last couple models IMO. Plus they're $150, not $180 like the 8's were.

i get that they re-designed the upper and the zoom air unit but the last is the same. they also can't seem to figure out wtf they want to do with the whole regular/elite contrast. line is weird and needs more stability. starting at $85 and going to $200 was also puzzling. needs to establish an identity, or maybe just a better identity.

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And then sign a max contract next year with the new cap....where depends on how the team does.

KAT and Wiggins are on rookie contracts, you've got a pass-first point guard in Rubio, and the #5 pick (flip for a veteran?).

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2532848&mesg_id=2532848#2533379

almost zero chance of actually happening, but man would it be fun. i still think it's his best option by far.

Minny is the conference currently owned by Lebron. How is it the best option?

If Durant wants a longer window, he can sign with Minny while Wiggins and KAT are on rookie deals. Sure Westbrook is a top-level talent, but I don't think OKC with Durant is *that* much better than Minnesota with Durant.

and secondly, if there is a better available situation, for a elite scorer squarely in his prime, than playing with --

21 yr old andrew wiggins (#1 pick, ROTY)
20 yr old karl towns (#1 pick, ROTY)
25 yr old ricky rubio (2nd best passer on the league behind chris paul)
#5 pick TBD on deck
and Thibs 2.0

-- for the next 5-10 yrs, I'd sure like to know what it is.



>Minny is the conference currently owned by Lebron. How is it
>the best option?

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Thunder, Warriors, Spurs, Celtics, Heat and Clippers.

The Clippers are an interesting addition. Not quite sure how they make that work financially. Either Blake is out or KD is taking less money for a year.

Kind of surprised the Heat made the list. But, then again, heading to the East makes sense. Just didn't think that he'd want to follow in LeBron's footsteps. Also, Bosh's health and Whiteside's free agency makes the roster somewhat of an unknown.

Boston's probably a longshot, unless he REALLY wants to play in the Eastern Conference.

I'm happy to see them competitive.

As long as they don't get *too* competitive.

I can live with any of those except GS. Just don't/can't see him going that route. GS was 1 game from winning the Finals. They don't need a player of his caliber to get over the hump, IMO...and for him, it looks like he's jumping on an already built winner, not coming to be the guy to take a team where they wanna go.

said someone on twitter...haha

Or just hanging out with Melo? LOL
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Melo convincing KD into signing the deal at some BK hookah spot at 4am.

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..to stay and okc one more year, then reevaluate all over again next summer.

okc has already given him all the leverage he needs. i still think they'll ultimately loose both durant and westbrook, but at least this give them one last shot @ winning it all for okc.

*as much as i'd love to have durant as a laker, i don't see him starting over just yet. his approach would be similar to the stance mentioned regarding okc (but i doubt the lakers would take that bait again, after the howard fiasco).


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That would be a thing of beauty.

He should reup with OKC then take the $251.7 offer from the Thunder then again he has to live in Oklahoma City and fuck your Cleveland hate. I'd want $251.7 million somewhere like Portland or Washington or Detroit or Atlanta.

If he goes to Golden State then this "decision" is more impactful than anyone else's in league history. Losing to a team that beat your team then joining them as a superstar in this league is a bad look.

I think he should: Sign with the Celtics for a little less than the max to help build a better team, attract other players.

I think he will: sign with Phoenix for the max. Probably dumb to leave the East but Phoenix has a big man in Chandler which will allow Al to play his preferred PF spot. They also have solid guard play and a high pick they could use to acquire another veteran to make a push next year.

>I think he should: Sign with the Celtics for a little less
>than the max to help build a better team, attract other
>players.
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>I think he will: sign with Phoenix for the max. Probably dumb
>to leave the East but Phoenix has a big man in Chandler which
>will allow Al to play his preferred PF spot. They also have
>solid guard play and a high pick they could use to acquire
>another veteran to make a push next year.

If Riley could dump Bosh's contract, he would have ended up in Miami but I except the Rockets to make a run at him since he fits D'Antoni's system.

Cant max him (probably not even close) but apparently he is legit interested im a homecoming

Jackson, KCP, Harris, Horford, Drummond, Morris, Johnson...

I dont want to get my hopes up, but thats a real contender

>Cant max him (probably not even close) but apparently he is
>legit interested im a homecoming
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>Jackson, KCP, Harris, Horford, Drummond, Morris, Johnson...
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>I dont want to get my hopes up, but thats a real contender
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MCW would be nice actually.

As long as we had a shooter at the 4 on the floor with him

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(or resigns with Memphis..I dont see him going to any "big market" team)

I could see Bird trading Hill for Teague.

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on one hand that he might bring to the table is appealing, on the other hand paying him a max deal for it is repugnant. kinda bad timing, you wish he broke out a year earlier so they'd have had more options.

Well, if Barnes leaves the Dubs, then Batum should come here. He'd fit in great. But barring that, he should probably stay in Charlotte, as they've got a lot of upside, and it would keep him in the East. I could see him ending up with the Clippers or Spurs though

Will make: Probably the max.

Should make: Probably a little less.

i agree with filf though that if they have to lose livingston or another good player, it's not worth it.

>Well, if Barnes leaves the Dubs, then Batum should come here.
>He'd fit in great.

It would require freeing up about 5 mills to max out Batum that means dumping Livingston which is not worth it. Otherwise, Bogut is another candidate assuming Ezeli re-signs.

He mentioned that he likes having the ball in his hands & playing point-forward so he probably won't be happy playing the Barnes role which is something he complained about in Portland.

>But barring that, he should probably stay
>in Charlotte, as they've got a lot of upside, and it would
>keep him in the East.

He should probably stay there since he will even get more playmaking duties assuming they lose Jeremy & they can give him a 5 year deal.

>I could see him ending up with the
>Clippers or Spurs though

-Clippers are maxed out & only have the MLE to offer.
-Spurs could do it but he would have to come off the bench & play the Iggy role.

He could sign w/ the Hawks since they need a wing defender but they already have two point guards fighting over the ball.

>Will make: Probably the max.
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>Should make: Probably a little less.

He already has a 5 yr max from the Hornets waiting for him at the table.

I could see someone offering him the max and him taking it but either way, I think Charlotte bites the bullet and keeps him. Next year, their small ball lineup with Batum and Gilly the Kidd at the forward spots could help them improve.

If you're looking at the prospect of facing LeBron, KD, Kawhi and PG and you don't have one of those four guys, Batum is pretty attractive, no? Those power 3s are so big in today's NBA and matching up with them is becoming increasingly coveted. I wouldn't be shocked if he stays in Charlotte but I also think better teams will pursue him. If he takes a patient approach to FAgency, he could become a rich man in a good situation.

Would prefer to see him on a team with veteran leadership but the Lakers seem like they'll be too appealing. Also, if and when they whiff on the bigger names, they'll go all in on Whiteside.

This is not a guy I would want to sink a bunch of money/faith into.

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At least not every game.

Particularly for a team like ours. After KD and Brawn, there are no max players this season though there will be a handful of max deals handed out.

Guys like Horford aren't really max players but will get maxed and would be worth that money for certain teams and he's certainly not coming to a team like the Lakers.

I'm fine with Whiteside considering he fills a need and there simply aren't any great options. The only center I'd like over him is Drummond and he's not going anywhere. Given the circumstances Whiteside is a decent calculated risk with relatively minimal downside.

With the cap jump next year plus the fact that he's on the low end of the max scale at 21.5. After that I'd like to see them load up on veterans on very short term deals. Since we have to spend most of our money anyways I don't care if we give 3-4 guys fat one year deals to give us flexibility in the next two years.

first of all, to have one guy like kd potentially available is like a once in five years thing, if not more. from there, lots more guys are gonna test the market that normally wouldn't because of the number of options out there. i also think a max player is a guy with a max contract, period. there is a lot being made of teams spending up to the floor, but as the sixers proved, you don't have to do that. paying the penalty means nothing, except that you didn't have to commit that money in the future and cut off your options.

so i think it's a pretty good free agent market overall. i agree with you that there are not a lot of options for the lakers, but that'd be true in a weak ass free agent year (e.g. Brand/Davis year) or a real strong one (Bron/Amare year). they are just not in a position to appeal to veteran players and that's fine. they have a good opportunity to build the traditional way.

>first of all, to have one guy like kd potentially available
>is like a once in five years thing, if not more.

One guy for everyone to fight over. That makes it top heavy, not deep.

>I also
>think a max player is a guy with a max contract, period.

Come on, we both know there are definite distinctions there. All max players aren't equal and when people use that phrase they're clearly referring to those discrepancies. I.e, KD and Horford will both get max money but there's a massive gap between the two.

>is a lot being made of teams spending up to the floor, but as
>the sixers proved, you don't have to do that. paying the
>penalty means nothing, except that you didn't have to commit
>that money in the future and cut off your options.

Didn't really factor that option actually, so yeah. I suppose there is that.

>so i think it's a pretty good free agent market overall.

>agree with you that there are not a lot of options for the
>lakers, but that'd be true in a weak ass free agent year (e.g.
>Brand/Davis year) or a real strong one (Bron/Amare year). they
>are just not in a position to appeal to veteran players and
>that's fine. they have a good opportunity to build the
>traditional way.

Ah ok. This was basically my response. There are plenty of quality pieces for good teams. It's just really, really thin for a team like ours. That's why I'm an advocate for simply giving quality veterans a fat check for the short term. We still need some guys to help the youngsters develop, particularly since we don't really know what any of them actually are just yet.

I think Ainge gives him a short term max deal.

Maybe the Bobcats? Or ATL if Horford walks?

He should: Take less money and sign with the Blazers.

He will: either go to Boston of, if the Wiz are as dumb as I think, end up being their big ticket item this offseason. They'll look to deal Gortat for a stretch four or send him to Houston in a sign and trade.

>I think Ainge gives him a short term max deal.

Given Howard's age and history of getting hurt and where Boston is right now with their current roster, I don't see this being a good fit. He won't give them enough of a push for the amount of cash they'll have to give up. Plus him mentally shrinking in Boston like he's done in other spots will not go over so well assuming he'll get max dollars.

>Maybe the Bobcats? Or ATL if Horford walks?

On paper Atlanta makes sense since they seem like a non-frills version of the Magic when he went he took them to the Finals; even better since he'll have Paul Milsap on the roster. Perhaps Milsap will teach him how to operate on the post with some consistency? Scratch that, but that seems like the best fit. And that team will be a great fit since there won't be too much pressure on him.

They want to pull another move of getting one star like Howard, Love, or Horford to help attract the big name - Durant.

Even if they don't land Durant, I think they would prefer to land some vets rather than rookies. And it's not like Isaiah and AB are THAT young.

I could see them signing Howard, using the #3 and Amir to land someone and hoping that's enough to land Durant.

>They want to pull another move of getting one star like
>Howard, Love, or Horford to help attract the big name -
>Durant.

Durant/Dwight beef: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQC13W4QljE

Durant/Love BFFs: http://nypost.com/2012/03/25/love-and-durant-friends-to-end-on-and-off-court/

Kevin Love it is!

Although I'd still rather not have either of them. Horford's probably my #2 FA/trade option after Durant (and maybe Big Cuz, but I like Boogie more than I should.)

REALLY YALL??

For some reason, that one is ingrained in my head. I never liked the name and wanted them to be the Hornets and now I can't stop remembering them as the Bobcats.

ain't nobody checking for name changes of irrelevant franchises, B. people still gonna be calling the coyotes "phoenix" instead of "arizona" ten years from now, too. big whoop, wanna fight about it?

Frank the Skank & Zeller are gonna have to earn their money. The only one getting paid is Batum & maybe Marvin.

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Should go: The Lakers aren't a bad spot for him, but if he wants to have a better chance of winning now, he should go to the Celtics or the Pistons.

Will make: Someone will pay him the max.

Should make: Well, he didn't have that good of a year, though he's looked good these last two games. But given the market, I guess 5 years at $70 million is "fair." Or four years at $60 million. Both will be a pay cut as what the Dubs already offered him.

I struggle to imagine them maxing Barnes if they're drafting Ingram.

that's my tar heel but man i will be ready to jump if we give him a max.

As owners blame the players for owners overspending on players.

He's a basic three and d guy that should be had for a third of the max at most.

It is a fair money offer and we know the fit works but the kid is going to get offered a ton more money so I think he's gone.

The draft could take the Lakers out of the running if they land Ingram. If Batum leaves the Bobcats, I could see them throwing money at Barnes.

A max offer from the Blazers could be interesting with Lillard and CJ as a talented guard duo that would allow Barnes to see an expanded but not altogether different role. I just don't think Olshey will pay him the max.

The worst place would be Washington since he'd spend the next five years being "Not Kevin Durant".

But I'm going to guess a max deal with the Pelicans. His best chance to get paid and be more of The Man on offense while not having to handle the entire spotlight of being the #1 guy on the team.

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

hopefully bringing Ezeli.

I think Gentry will push for this

I like Barnes and Whiteside but those are two max deals that could have AD leaving Nawlins at the end of his contract. Very good but not great and great is what ideally I'd say my max money for.

I don't think Whiteside makes a ton of sense there but I also don't think Demps' tenure has made a ton of sense.

He is OFFICIALLY SouthPhillyMan.

Does someone still pay him the max? The Warriors offer that he turned down seems like something he'd be happy with after his performance.

I still figure all any of this cost him was a max deal with a good team. He can (and probably will) get a max deal with a bad one.

Should have taken the Dubs offer while he could tho...

But the Finals went down almost as badly as possible for him.

He'd been pretty good in games 1, 3, & 4. If he'd played poorly but the Warriors had still won Game 5, he might have had a good shot to sign with a good team for a lot of money.

Pretty clearly the Dray suspension was Barnes' undoing, as well as the Dub's.

"The Sixers plan to be serious suitors for Golden State restricted free agent Harrison Barnes at the start of free agency, league sources say"

Makes some sense. Force the Warriors' hand as they hope Durant signs. I don't think he's worth it but they have money to spend.

HB in that system making what's he making is perfect.

Somewhere else making 3x that money is sketchy.

Doing it here...Nah, son. It'll be all good until 20 games into the season when people realize he's better as a small ball 4, he has no handle or much off the bounce game, and how limited he is when teams don't have to account for steph or klay. There will be no mercy and he'll still have 3yrs to go.

Pass. They're better off signinga bunch of dudes to 1-2 yr overpriced deals.




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I'll say the Nyets, because why not? Lots of bad organizations will line up to make this mistake. If he goes to a good org, I predict it will be Miami, and that's one place he might actually do well.

but I think he'll stay.

Or, push comes to shove, Horford.

So...I doubt he leaves.

at least, so they can compete with next year's re-upped Cleveland team.

He fits with what they are doing in terms of age (he is 23, they want guys like 23-26) and he definitely fills a need for them. If they weren't a little light in the ass, they'd be a real problem. Got great play from the perimeter last year but had to kind of scrape it together inside. They also have the money to make it happen, in fact they could sign him and another big pretty big name FA if they wanted to.

thin market for shooting guards and the Wiz wanting to keep their young back court together means max or near max deal despite injuries and sub-20ppg scoring avg.

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Maybe with a team option on the 5th year.

But I think that's crazy. He should get the Jackson/Draymond 5 years, 80+ million. Again, with a team option on the final year because lord knows if he'll ever stay healthy. Could be another Eric Gordon.

This makes me sad...Juwan Howard situation all over again

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Hard to judge the Nets since they have a new GM but they are desperate for a PG and they can't tank.

I think he'd prefer to go to NY; just not sure how he fits with what Horny wants to do.

>I think he'd prefer to go to NY; just not sure how he fits
>with what Horny wants to do.

Jeremy makes more sense for the Knicks than Rondo who could help the Jazz as a game manager.

Last time Rondo tried to run an offense that HEAVILY relied on PnR/PnP, he ruined what was at that time the #1 ranked offense.

Dude couldn't make it work w/ Dirk but should excel w/ Zings, RIGHT?

He's the PG version of Kevin Love in that way.

I wouldn't be completely stunned if he was one of those guys who was without a team for a while. So many teams are already set at PG and while he was a good soldier in Sacramento, the mayhem probably there didn't help wash enough of the stink from his Dallas stint off.

The thing he has going for him is that it's a weak PG crop this year.

Not sure how he's supposed to run the pick and roll without the ball.

>Not sure how he's supposed to run the pick and roll without
>the ball.

His usage rate was the SAME as his usuage rate in 2009-10.

In any case, I'm pretty sure Melo is going to be standing in the corner w/ a smile on his face while Rondo surveys the ball for 15 seconds until someone is in a scoring position.

In Boston, he ran HIGH pick-and-pops w/ KG & used illegal screens to get into the paint against backpedaling bigs. Otherwise, he held the ball until Ray got free & gave him the ball in his shooting pocket.

Who in the hell was the roll man in Boston? Perkins? LMAO!

Kobe was sitting in the paint daring him to shoot in Gm 7 of the Finals for a reason. Dude's greatest achievement came against the Heat feasting on backpedaling Haslem/Joel Anthony when Bosh out for the majority of the series.

Now, he can't even consistently beat backpedaling bigs b/c he doesn't have the jets. Not to mention teams aren't playing the likes of Joel Anthony at center in 2016.

I'm convinced the 2011 series has a lot of sway for Knicks fans when none other than Amare was the rim protector.

He's best suited for a running team where he can grab the board to initiate fastbreaks & use his court vision to find streaking teammates ala Kidd w/ the Nets. If you put him on OKC, moved Russ to the 2-guard position & turned them into a running team then they might be able to get over the hump.

Dude doesn't have the jets to get into the lane & is basically a game manager at this point as far as half-court offense is concerned. If he played defense like pre-2010 then that would be one thing.

It took PRIME KG/Pierce/Ray to cover up his deficiencies & once they declined 2009-12 happened.

Gm 6 of the 2010 Finals was the worst offensive performance by a Finals team since the Jazz in Gm 3 of the '98 Finals & it came against a Lakers team that wasn't exactly an all-time defense (they gave up 112 pts per 100 poss to Carlos Boozer & the Jazz in the 2nd rd).

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Mainly curious how much scratch Riles will want to give him this go around.

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I'm mainly curious what his contract will look like.

If he's done, which I think he might be with his condition, he needs to retire. If he does, I think that wipes his salary off of the books.

Deng is a FA so unless Wade takes a Dirk-like pay cut, it'll be hard for them to add much to the team.

If Bosh retires and his money is off the books, it's a whole new ball game for Miami.

But, yeah, I'd be pretty stunned if Wade left Miami.

Like I said in the prior responses, I'm mainly curious what his next contract will look like. Will he want max dollars again or will he take a pay cut in the hope he'll free up scratch for the Heat to improve and take a seat next to the Raptors and the second best in the East.

Given how much Bosh wanted to return just for this postseason run, I'd be surprised if he retires. His situation does provide some intrigue; does Riley show allegiance and welcome Bosh with open arms or does he show allegiance to Miami's salary cap?

If Bosh doesn't retire, he's on the book. And I'm not sure there's any way to force him into a medical retirement without his consent. And I doubt anyone is going to trade for him given the uncertainty.

he knows they have to sign Whiteside. Wade ain't hurtin for dough and there's no way he can legit think he's a max guy at this point. Bosh is tricky, because I feel like it's less about allegiance and more about "can this guy play professional basketball anymore"....and by WHO POWER.

was that Whiteside is somewhat of a headcase. Also, although he puts up good defensive numbers, I've read that he gambles off his man to get his gaudy shot blocking numbers and he isn't a great one-on-one defensive player.

I'm not all that certain Riley will want to give him a long term, max contract. I'm sure another team will since on paper he's a young big man with good upside and he already has great stats.

He could easily be the next Andrew Bynum and go off the rails completely, but he's still a tantalizing prospect on the right team.

or maybe Brad Stevens

I expect that he'll come to LA, be inconsistent while showing tantalizing flashes and make headlines for all the wrong reasons.

All in all I'm OK with him though I'd feel much better about it if we had a more veteran team.

and Wade is looking at other places, supposedly.

I'd still be stunned if he left Miami though.

Trying to think of a team he'd put over the top that needs better two-guards; San Antonio? Would be stunning if he went to OKC to totally screw things up. Are him and CP3 boys? Him on the Clippers would be interesting to say the least and I'm sure Gabrielle Union wouldn't mind being in LA.

Interesting to see Riley want to play hardball with Wade, but with the health concerns, I somewhat understand. Wade is still the Heat's best player though.

He's not good/healthy enough to carry an offense as a 2 guard any more and he's not a good enough shooter to be a complimentary piece.

Lotta places he could do that if he's tryna win but he'd have to be willing to sacrifice.

With Bosh status up in the air, probably best to let wade walk unless he'll take a salary cuut.

assuming Chris Paul and Blake Griffin are healthy for the majority of the regular season. Not sure they'd beat the Warriors, Spurs, or Thunder in a post-season series, but he'd be a nice fit for Doc and Co. And I think he's be a starter, at least for one more season.

unless you put him at the 3 which he can't really guard 3s. Their offense is better with redick at the 2.

Don't get me wrong, wade is a starting caliber guard, but that team probably won't do much. I think the 6th man transition or hell, even be more of a pg/facilitator is his best way to use him at this point.

>Don't get me wrong, wade is a starting caliber guard, but that
>team probably won't do much. I think the 6th man transition or
>hell, even be more of a pg/facilitator is his best way to use
>him at this point.
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Strictly from an ego standpoint, I see Wade going that route within two or three years. By then, I think he'll be hobbled and slowed down enough to get humbled to want to defer in the fashion you're mentioning.

If you can't make it alongside Anthony Davis, where won't you be exposed? And I don't think the Kevin Love situation in Cleveland right now is helping him either.

He'll get paid but I'm not sure he's seeing that Rashard Lewis money. Someone will be dumb enough to give him 14 - 16 million but doubt he's breaking the 20s.

The only contender that could give him a starting spot are the Spurs if Tim retires but dude was talking about how it's a good year to be a free-agent aka "I want to get paid".

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I think the Clippers could use him but he'd have to come off the bench, though he would play a lot of minutes.

12 per...at least.

*I chuckled*

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The Grizzlies declined his team option, making him a free agent. There's some interest from both sides on a return but there could be offers from other squads.

I'm kind of surprised that they turned down the 9.4 million dollar option since he played well for them but perhaps they're making room for a monster offer to Conley.

The Magic aren't extending a qualifying offer to him, making him a free agent.

He's nothing special but I feel like he's a solid backup who could be had for cheap. I wouldn't be mad if the Celtics made him an offer.

I wouldn't be stunned if the Celtics just let him walk. I feel like he could be a solid backup for a team that wants to use him as a center or work more in the post as opposed to out on the perimeter where the Celtics had him.

He was definitely disappointing this year but I feel like he's a guy who could go to a place dying for frontcourt help and really put up some nice numbers. Portland might not be a bad fit.

"Sources: Brooklyn shopping Jarrett Jack w/ buyout date looming Thursday. Without trade, Nets plan to waive PG; would clear nearly $6M on cap"

So either Brooklyn thinks they can sign some people to build a legit team or the Celtics are getting the #1 pick in the league next year. (Not that Jack is that good but they're unloading all of their vets.)

I feel like Jack could give a contender some solid backup PG minutes. Barbosa-esque. But I've always been a fan of his.

d12...on a like 3 year 50-55mil. I'd rather give him that much than Noah. If Noah would take 10-12 per, get noah.

For SG get another Aaron Afflalo type dude like Courtney Lee who plays good d and can hit the 3.

I'm getting close to seeing it too. I can't front. If everything falls right...and I mean everything. And they get Noah or D12 and that falls right.

Meaning everyone is healthy and Zingis improves.

**gulp**

That's gonna be a tough out and an exciting squad. MVP angry/money driven Rose, Mad and last chance Melo, and Happy Dwight or at home Noah. That's tough.

as everyone else, but i feel like you get him, you have to be committed to using him on offense. His presence alone would free melo up soooo much and if melo was willing to pass to the likes of Rolo and Calderoff, he gonna keep it going with these new guys.

Keeping updated with the injury report will not be fun tho...if you can get 65 games outta Rose and Howard on 30-32 mpg and 70 from Melo i'd consider that a Win. Just having 3 out of Zingis, Howard, Melo, Rose is an improvement on anything Melo has had in NY

I'm disgusted even saying this but I would be upset if the Bulls didn't offer him a deal. I'm not trying to see Jose fucking Calderon play 30 minutes a night.

Such a mess this entire situation is.

to have Calderon on their roster by the time the season starts. I have to imagine he'll get package with another of your bench players and get shipped to another team before the dust settles.

This league is too point guard driven to have Calderon as a starter, especially when Derrick Rose was the option at one point.

noah is going to get his 8-10 shots per. so whether you think staps gets his shots depends on whether you think Melo and Rose are going to defer some to a 2nd year Euro. if you do, i have a bridge i'd like to sell you.v

from noah is alot.

and even if we gave melo and rose 20 shots a piece(which they won't) plus noah's 10 is 50. Who is taking the other 30??

he doesn't shoot the ball anymore. like, ever.

if he averages 10 fgapg i'll eat this laptop.

cheerfully withdrawn, L accepted.

I doubt he'll be looking for plays to run through him.

but i think you already took your on L on that statement anyway

if he wanna play with rose so badly and he wanna come back to ny 18 mill feel like an overpay like crazy...especially when there are other Centers on the market.

That being said, noah is probably the center that fits the triangle the best.

**no contract is official yet so we are just speculating.

But you think 18 is too much, in this new tv money deal? What kind of $$ would you dish out?

Kent Bazemore asking 16 mil... that's nuts lol.

hasn't shot over 50% in the last 4 seasons.

Pau is better, Dwight is better, Whiteside (who I'm not sure i'd want to max out) is better, Al Jeff is equal to better.

There are so many options out there i'm not sure jumping to 18 million for assumed 3-4 years for noah is the smart choice.

I'd love him at 12 million and would understand 15 million for 3 years if the other options didn't work out.

>yeah, Noah is 31 coming off injury and 2 bad seasons"
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hasn't shot over 50% in the last 4 seasons.

*smiles*

what the chance Rose leaves Noah high and dry in a Knick uniform?

regardless so it wouldn't be "high and dry".

If it's a 2 year deal, I can understand taking the risk bc it's not a bad per year rate.

its pretty much the Lopez deal. (forecasting the new cap of course)

>Remember last summer when the #Knicks were criticized for overpaying for Robin Lopez? Now he's a "value". Catch up, kids.


And robin lopez contract is NOT a value lolol

Heard it on Hahn and Humpty.

we going after Al...I'm ok with that.

yeah that would be a nasty ass lineup in OKC though, whew.

look back at the Spurs series and WCF posts...I was living and dying nightly during them shits. Probably the only person who made regular season OKC game posts, too.

says Dallas is gonna give him the MAX and Pat Riley has the last meeting on Sunday with KD, so he's not addressing Whiteside til he gets his pitch in with Kev.

So is he banking on Bosh not returning in terms of this mad dash to get Durant? I think it's reasonable to think he's towards the end of his career given the multiple health scares, but if I'm not mistaken, he's still on the roster.

In addition, seems so odd to see him play Whiteside and Wade to an extent to the curb for what is a sliver of a chance to sign Durant.

guy. Miami will always be a fagent destination. If they don't get a big fish this year, they can tank, get a high draft pick and will be back in the fagent mix next year.

and leaked to Windhorst by Wade and Bron. He was like...why did this just happen to get leaked to Windhorst at the same time that Wade, Bron and their wives are vacationing in Spain.

and leaked to Windhorst by Wade and Bron. He was like...why did this just happen to get leaked to Windhorst at the same time that Wade, Bron and their wives are vacationing in Spain.

with that one. I'd hope LeBron would have moved on from wanting to meddle around with Pat Riley. Wade leaking that by himself makes sense though and doesn't seem all the wrong if it helps give him leverage.

situations? I mean, not saying Lebron is trying to get Wade to Cleveland...but if Wade wants the word out that he's "available"...who better to get that word out to than Windy...and who has greater access to Windy than Lebron? And the fact that this info happened to leak while Wade and Bron are vacationing together means something to me.

LeBetard is still scorned over the fact LeBron left the Heat, so keep that in mind.

LeBron and Wade discussing their business is one thing; LeBron involving himself with what goes own between Wade and Pat Riley is an entirely different matter. Dude just won a ring and is on vacation; I'm guessing he's on cool out mode and doesn't want to put himself in the head space to meddle with Pat Riley.

I am not a big fan of Whiteside's but he has upside where Howard does not, though I think an adjustment in his role would bode well for Howard. Either way, Cuban is looking to repeat that Tyson Chandler magic and will get someone.

so he ain't trying to wait til Sunday when Riley's dog and pony show for KD is done.

like in the NFL or the NHL where there is a hard cap and the money flies fast, sure. the NBA is more measured and this year there are more options. whiteside on that gimme the loot, gimme the loot, hoping teams don't come to their senses as time passes.

dude did earn under a mil last year, so I would imagine his agent want to eat as soon as possible as well.

It is bad business from Whiteside's perspective to be so quick to sign though.

The Heat can offer an extra year but they've made it pretty clear that they aren't offering the max, so the fifth year might not matter.

playing for the Mavericks for 3-4 years doesn't seem like something I'd want to rush into before seeing if better teams would want to throw money at me. That is unless he's perfectly content to get paid and will stomach playing for a mediocre team, which there's nothing wrong with, but I'd still want to completely see what my options are besides Dallas or Miami.

Dallas will pay him the max and he could be a bigger part of the offense than in other places. Whiteside is already 27 so he needs to get as much money as he can right now; I would assume that's the priority.

LA would make the most sense if they are willing to max him out, because he could get some more big endorsements there but Texas's lack of state income tax makes it appealing.

And I think Whiteside does have to worry that if his main suitors find other options while they wait for him, that he could lose millions.

paid. I doubt playing for a winner is a top priority.

And dallas isn't a terrible city in general or basketball wise...its not like we talking bout indiana or minnesota or something

I'll wait until then before judging.

Accountants will be working around the clock lol

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Portland might make the most sense though. But I think he could be a nice reclamation project for the right team.

http://blacksportsonline.com/home/2016/06/details-on-lakers-offering-4-year-65-million-to-mozgov/