“I don’t know if I’m cut out for a 4 spot... I don’t know if this is my position. We’ll sit and watch tape and I’m sure I’ll talk with coach (Frank Vogel). I’ll talk with Larry (Bird) as well to get both their inputs on how the first game went, but … I’m still not comfortable with it regardless of the situation. It’s still something I have to adjust to or maybe not. Or maybe it’s something we can go away from.”

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2015/10/03/pacers-debut-small-sloppy-ball/73085538/


That doesn't sound like a guy willing to make sacrifices and do what it takes to help his team. George even explicitly stated his selfish me-first attitude saying that keeping him happy is more important than doing what's in the best interests of the team:

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2015/09/24/pacers-coach-frank-vogel-paul-george-projected-start-power-forward/72627034/

"when asked how much of a say he'll have in the decision while meeting with local reporters, George added: "I hope a lot. I hope my happiness comes first in this whole ordeal but, again, I'm not someone that's going to kill a locker room."


Good thing he's not someone that's going to kill a locker room at least... except for when he threw his teammates under bus by publicly airing their private concerns to deflect criticism from himself:

“We’re playing around with this style now and trying to figure some things out, but it’s not just myself,” George said. “Four other guys out there, it’s an adjustment for them. We all talk. A couple other guys are uncomfortable with how we’re going to run it and things like that. It’s new to everyone.”



Meanwhile Carmelo selflessly puts his team first and is willing to make sacrifices and play out of position at PF to help his team:

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25320577/carmelo-anthony-says-title-window-is-open-will-play-power-forward

"Part of the way to maximize Melo's ability as he starts creeping toward his mid-30's could be using him much more as a power forward.
...That also seems to be something he's open to coming into this season and said he's "pretty sure" we'll see him play the 4."



Paul George: selfish, me-first team cancer

Carmelo Anthony: better teammate, better player

fuck a position

Melo has been playing out of position at the four since the arrived in NYC because Amare was broken down for the most part. In addition, Melo is stockier and has a better post up game than Paul George, so it makes sense Melo is more open to playing the four than Paul George.


I am somewhat surprised Melo is open at this point since I would imagine playing the four is partialy the reason his shoulder got screwed up in the past years, but the roster is trash at this point, so I suppose he doesn't have much of a choice in the matter right now.

than offense.

that's making his skittish. Having to bang and crash for rebounds coming off a major injury like that can't be fun.

“Defensively, it’s rough. It’s rough,” George said, using repetition for emphasis as he often does. “It’s an adjustment because I’m not used to doing some of the things out there and I’m exerting more energy, it feels like — from having to hedge on the ball screen, get back down low to a shot going up and now having to box out. So I don’t know. I don’t know.”

“Playing the 3 spot, I always had the luxury of helping the bigs rebound,” George recalled.

Through his four completed seasons with Indiana, George had grown accustomed to a shot going up and letting the bigs battle and box out. Then with his athleticism and quickness, George would swoop in and grab the rebound. Not so now.

“Can’t do that at the 4 spot,” George said. “These guys are strong, they’re big. It’s almost like I’m just trying to keep them on my back but they got me in size. That’s the toughest part.”

.

It's cool he's being honest and all, but that's not a good look. Even worst he's saying this through the media and not privately to Vogel.

I wonder how much of this is because he's not happy David West and Roy Hibbert aren't on the team this year.


**edit**

Is he basing the 'It's rough' comments from pre-season play? If that's the case, that's an even worse look since the level of play is going to ratchet up once the season truly starts.

to flip it right.

well done.

i dunno i dunno

.

Paul George has no business playing the four.

He will get straight bodied on defense.

Dude's asses will be in this fool's chest and neck.

Not a good luck for him or the Pacers.

Paul "don't say i'm nearly 7ft tall because I want to play guard" is making mountains out of the 6'6-6'10 guys he'll be facing for at least half of every game.

>RE: I want him to be, cuz these are too much
>Paul George has no business playing the four.
>
>He will get straight bodied on defense.
>
>Dude's asses will be in this fool's chest and neck.
>
>Not a good luck for him or the Pacers.
>
>
>

its really dumb all the way around

PG 1
Melo 0

>PG 1
>Melo 0

Children with strippers, you mean


You stink, bro.

https://youtu.be/10WgFK0YQhI?t=149

RIP Patrice.

but, i'm old...whatever. do your thang, dogg.

I am just a contrarian, I guess. *shrug*

No man who gets actual pussy would ever brag about that

That might be the easiest age group on earth to fuck

Pull one older who look 19, one you aren't wowing with your
Basic knowledge of the world or outright buying

That's how you do it

Fly niggas hump smart girls

Charlie old at college sorority parties telling girls tall tales about the
90s

Funny how many ways you're trying to deflect attention from PG, who hustled back from a gnarly ass injury for the slim prospect of making them 'offs, and Melo, who couldn't wait to shut it down for the year. I will revel in Melo's forthcoming and indefinite irrelevance, please believe that.

>Funny how many ways you're trying to deflect attention from
>PG, who hustled back from a gnarly ass injury for the slim
>prospect of making them 'offs, and Melo, who couldn't wait to
>shut it down for the year. I will revel in Melo's forthcoming
>and indefinite irrelevance, please believe that.

and Melo, who couldn't wait to
>shut it down for the year.

Nah. Melo played with that injury for months.

You made that up.

He played through his injury for months, before the Knicks shut him down.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2014/12/29/7460885/carmelo-anthony-injury-knee-rested-knicks

If you're going to be the bullshit police on this one, you better take the week off work.

Meanwhile you guys are like wellllllll ... he played and the team was awful and when he scored a lot he didn't do it in big moments but ... HE WON A SCORING TITLE. Does anyone look impressed?

>PG 1
>Melo 0

PG at 4: scared
Melo at 4: prepared
AI at 4: TGIF happy hour

Melo's career basically dead @ age 30.

http://tinyurl.com/qz5brcu

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Melo was an All-Star at 30 dropping 24 ppg on a bum knee & looks great coming off rehab ready to come back at full strength.

AI fell off a cliff and faded into bolivian after age 32.

>AI at 4: TGIF happy hour

.

>>PG 1
>>Melo 0
>
>PG at 4: scared
>Melo at 4: prepared
>AI at 4: TGIF happy hour

This is damn good. Bout time someone brought it to AI.

And PG snapped his leg during an exhibition game and still came back to play that season. After that and since he is the franchise player he can voice whatever displeasure he wants imo.

Just my unbiased thoughts from the sideline though.

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between the knee and the re-upping with a dead-end franchise, dude's career has been improbably fasttracked to forgettableness.

We been through this.

Hi

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Even if it was my guy's last playoff series.

You're only bringing attention to not making the playoffs.

I'm bringing attention to you showing more support
to the shitty White-tino Sanchez and not the black-tino Carmelo,
the latter a better player, citizen, and reps the culture
harder (pause)

I'm gonna bring this up every single time you hold it
down for your culture, which you have every right to do


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I hope they're good this year. Chances are, they won't be.

Sanchez agenda was because he got shafted by the Jets and he's a Latino QB.

**shrugs**

>Sanchez agenda was because he got shafted by the Jets and he's
>a Latino QB.

He's half Latino, just like Carmelo

Unlike Carmelo, he's not an iconic Latin-American

Hell, Carmelo REPS his shit more than Sanchez do

Please discuss




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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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Sorry, we're not gonna link arms and show a strong front when the Knicks lose to the Pacers and still bring that shit up 3 years later.

Crying is not a very masculine trait. I don't support that.

Example 1:
Jared Dudley pops shit about Melo. I'll quickly say some shit about Dudley.

Example 2:
Somebody say Durant is worlds better than Melo. I'll quickly say, they're wrong and sort of the same thing.

Example 3:
Somebody is talking Jabari vs Wiggins. I'm not interjecting Melo into the convo cuz I'm mad Melo lost 3 years ago to the Pacers.

See?

Melo been unfairly dragged through the mud for a decade
now, most of it having to do with him not being Larry Bird
to Lebron's Magic/Jordan. People resent him for that.

>Example 3:
>Somebody is talking Jabari vs Wiggins. I'm not interjecting
>Melo into the convo cuz I'm mad Melo lost 3 years ago to the
>Pacers.

See, you got your signals crossed: COACH K(!) said Jabari
was like Carmelo Anthony. OKP cried like pussies and said
Jabari was more like Paul Piece, when he is clearly not.
Jabari's max comparison is about 90% of Carmelo, which is
still an All-Star. Nothing to be ashamed of. People are so
sad and petty they've shape shifted and hated on that too

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(C)Keith Murray, "

Nobody has him as an all-time great, that ship sailed a long time ago. So nobody is dragging him through anything.

The way he's treated on the most part is status quo for all superstars in the NBA with no rings.

When discussing Jabari vs Wiggins, Melo is completely irrelevant. Lmao. You stay trying to force that nigga into any conversation. About teenage basketball players. Boxing. Tennis. It is the worst.

Basaglia was destroyed inside by that, and so diverted
everyone's attention to that Pacers series

Y'all just weren't smart enough to pick up on it, and
you sometimey with your support of great Latin American
athletes, representing Carlos Arroyo more than Carmelo
Anthony, and so you hopped on

Disgusting

>Nobody has him as an all-time great, that ship sailed a long
>time ago. So nobody is dragging him through anything.

Iconic Latin American athlete

Discuss

And he played for Puerto Rico.

So, that's that.

I don't care about how much run you trying to get off of a scoring title from 3 years ago in 2015.

and they're like, "yeah, so?"

It's really quite disrespectful of you

And PG is free to voice whatever displeasure he likes. That don't mean it's a good look for him though.

And Rondo still a bum.

Curious.

You then posted an unsolicited response including personal commentary directed at me. Then proceeded to add additional commentary that nobody cares about this post. Yet you keep responding to it. Why? You're not making much sense right now.

There's a lot of other replies you didn't reply to.

Why?

And I responded to several other replies before yours. You talking out the side of your face right now.

You also have more replies in this post than I do.

Why?

Averaged 29 and 7. Did what his team needed out of him on defense by banging down low with David West and holding him under his averages, while playing through a torn labrum.

He did his job that series. The rest of the Knicks didn't come through.

Got it.

It would've been more than enough if anyone else played well.

Smith, Chandler, and Kidd all played horrible and cost the Knicks the series, and Amare was useless that season.

Got it

Got it.

I love how they are like "defended." Technically everyone "defends."

stuffy-head, fever, so you can rest wing man.

yeah, this is kind of the thing that gets Kobe roasted, but even Kobe is moving to a different position.

roy gone, BTW.

david west gone.

curious to see who gets credit when pacers still winning and in playoffs while the knicks are butt funk.

don't worry, already preparing for monta being top 20 player player. it's gonna be SOMEBODY else.

i mean neither are the knicks tho lol

>don't worry, already preparing for monta being top 20 player
>player. it's gonna be SOMEBODY else.

Monta is outstanding. Better than any Knick who is not
an all-time great Latino athlete by miles.

But can we discuss the comments?

I'm serious

I will sabotage every agenda for the rest of this year

All you gotta do is say the nigga sounds like a hoe and
this is unacceptable

Let's sign off on that, and keep it moving

All this because Basa from DC and RBO thinks Mark Sanchez > Melo Latino

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i've gotten used to it. carry on.

LOL @ you guys making a big deal out of a guy not wanting to switch from his natural position to one that makes no damn sense. PG is not LeBron. And Melo did it? Whooptydamndoo, call me when he makes other sacrifices like passing the ball and defending.

Is he saying if we agree with him, he'll Cancel his agendas, or that if we loudly disagree that he'll stop?

Because I'll do whatever to stop the agenda if possible, just want to make the right call.
-----------
Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario
It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious

of him unwilling to make sacrifices for the team when this guy came back during the latter half of the season when it was risky to do so after suffering a severe injury to play for the Pacers when they had a shot at the 8th seed in the playoffs

#agendafailure

And smh at trying to prop up Me(L)o as a team player when this is the same guy who played in the all-star game last season and then shut it down once it was over

And I'm not going to go in on his game - we all know how selfish he plays


>“I don’t know if I’m cut out for a 4 spot... I don’t
>know if this is my position. We’ll sit and watch tape and
>I’m sure I’ll talk with coach (Frank Vogel). I’ll talk
>with Larry (Bird) as well to get both their inputs on how the
>first game went, but … I’m still not comfortable with it
>regardless of the situation. It’s still something I have to
>adjust to or maybe not. Or maybe it’s something we can go
>away from.”
>
>http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2015/10/03/pacers-debut-small-sloppy-ball/73085538/
>
>
>That doesn't sound like a guy willing to make sacrifices and
>do what it takes to help his team. George even explicitly
>stated his selfish me-first attitude saying that keeping him
>happy is more important than doing what's in the best
>interests of the team:
>
>http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2015/09/24/pacers-coach-frank-vogel-paul-george-projected-start-power-forward/72627034/
>
>"when asked how much of a say he'll have in the decision while
>meeting with local reporters, George added: "I hope a lot. I
>hope my happiness comes first in this whole ordeal but, again,
>I'm not someone that's going to kill a locker room."
>
>
>Good thing he's not someone that's going to kill a locker room
>at least... except for when he threw his teammates under bus
>by publicly airing their private concerns to deflect criticism
> from himself:
>
>“We’re playing around with this style now and trying to
>figure some things out, but it’s not just myself,” George
>said. “Four other guys out there, it’s an adjustment for
>them. We all talk. A couple other guys are uncomfortable with
>how we’re going to run it and things like that. It’s new
>to everyone.”
>
>
>
>Meanwhile Carmelo selflessly puts his team first and is
>willing to make sacrifices and play out of position at PF to
>help his team:
>
>http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/25320577/carmelo-anthony-says-title-window-is-open-will-play-power-forward
>
>"Part of the way to maximize Melo's ability as he starts
>creeping toward his mid-30's could be using him much more as a
>power forward.
>...That also seems to be something he's open to coming into
>this season and said he's "pretty sure" we'll see him play the
>4."
>
>
>
>Paul George: selfish, me-first team cancer
>
>Carmelo Anthony: better teammate, better player
>

PG came back from a career-threatening injury when no one expected him to play, tryna push his team into the playoffs.

melo played in the AS game on a bum wheel, THEN sat his ass down when it was clear they were headed for historical ineptitute. he shoulda BEEN sat his ass down.

"I hope my happiness comes first in this whole ordeal"

Pretty clear where his priorities lie.

As for coming back last year, young players coming back from injuries almost always want to get back on the court as soon as possible, even after bad injuries. they just want to get out there and play again. not sure how that makes him some kind of martyr.


>#agendafailure

http://www.hydroworld.com/content/dam/hydroworld/online-articles/2012/10/map-costa-rica.jpg

He "came back for his team"

But refuses to do the things that his team needs to
win

Can we have an honest discussion about it?


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rather than later, regardless of whether their team needs them to or not. because they just want to get back on the court and play. PG is not different or special in that regard.

>"I hope my happiness comes first in this whole ordeal"
>
>Pretty clear where his priorities lie.

Uh yeah...he should be concerned abt his career...and playing PF can put a physical toll on his (frail) body and limit his years in the league over time...and ftr, players before have complained abt being moved to another position (Magic bitched abt playing shooting guard which is why Norm Nixon was traded...was Magic a "bad teammate," too?)...Lamarcus Aldridge specified to ALL teams (even to the Spurs) that were trying to lure him to their team during this past FA signing that HE WAS NOT PLAYING CENTER and nothing was made of it...

#failedagenda
>
>As for coming back last year, young players coming back from
>injuries almost always want to get back on the court as soon
>as possible, even after bad injuries. they just want to get
>out there and play again. not sure how that makes him some
>kind of martyr.

No, not a martyr, but a guy who has shown he's willing to make sacrifices for the good of the team...and he didn't suffer the normal type of injury most "young players" experience, had he opted to sit out the entire season, most ppl would've agreed that was the best decision since that's what they were saying to begin with...

Meanwhile, Melo was threatening to beat up a teammate (Hardaway Jr.) last season because he was telling Melo to quit being lazy and grab a rebound...

Also:

Broussard could not reach Anthony for comment, but he did learn from a source that several Knicks players are at odds with Anthony and do not believe he plays team basketball. Over the weekend, Knicks players told Anthony he shoots too much and plays too little defense, according to Broussard.>
>
>>#agendafailure
>
>http://www.hydroworld.com/content/dam/hydroworld/online-articles/2012/10/map-costa-rica.jpg
>

>Meanwhile, Melo was threatening to beat up a teammate
>(Hardaway Jr.) last season because he was telling Melo to quit
>being lazy and grab a rebound...


2015 rebounds per game:
Melo - 6.6
Hardaway - 2.2

2015 rebounds per 36 minutes:
Melo - 6.7
Hardaway - 3.3

Career rebounds per game:
Melo - 6.6
Hardaway - 1.8

Career rebounds per 36 minutes:
Melo - 6.5
Hardaway - 2.8

Maybe Hardaway should've shut his mouth and grabbed a rebound himself instead of being a 0 dimensional malcontent dumb ass scrub.

is one of the dumber sports takes out there.

Westbrook in regards to terrible shots he takes

Plus, Melo has led the league *2x* in ISOLATION BALL...so there's that

and the movement to cast Melo as "Kobe" is disgusting

jabronis mad that Kobe won 2 sans Shaq, in an era where their chosen hero should have won at least one. with players that were good, but lesser than Shaq. The whole agenda of "Kobe can't win w/o Shaq" was that Shaq carried him and the Lakers. that was blown up when Kobe, Pau and the Misfits of Los Angeles won two titles.

so then the Kobe narrative was that he was "Square Button, Fuck The Others"

which might be true

but you can't use that argument against Melo. Melo is a good, possibly great player on a team that many seasons, is generally bad. he scores, but he isn't chucking.

now Basa stirring the pot years ago over "a more winning game of basketball" might have spurred this post, but if PG really would have played a more winning game of basketball instead of OD'ing on Green Death with the rest of his team we wouldn't have to have heard about the fuckin' 4 years of the Death Star in the NBA

universally recognized as an ALL-TIME great player...Melo, on the other hand, is not


>and the movement to cast Melo as "Kobe" is disgusting

Ya'll make ish up as you go, huh? Who has ever said Melo is Kobe...their only similarity is that they're both inefficient volume shooters...but other than that no one has ever casted Melo as Kobe lolololol
>
>jabronis mad that Kobe won 2 sans Shaq, in an era where their
>chosen hero should have won at least one. with players that
>were good, but lesser than Shaq. The whole agenda of "Kobe
>can't win w/o Shaq" was that Shaq carried him and the Lakers.


>that was blown up when Kobe, Pau and the Misfits of Los
>Angeles won two titles.

Misfits? Oh word...so Artest was a misfit (who pretty much won game 7 in the finals vs Boston when Kobe was misfiring the entire game 6-24)...Bynum, too? (who was arguably the best center in the league at that time)...Odom?!?!? (who was LA's most versatile player and *6th man* of the year)....Fisher (who had championship pedigree and had hit numerous big shots in the postseason/finals for LA)

And then ya'll want to pretend as if its everyone else engaging in hyperbole smh
>
>so then the Kobe narrative was that he was "Square Button,
>Fuck The Others"
>
>which might be true
>
>but you can't use that argument against Melo. Melo is a good,
>possibly great player on a team that many seasons, is
>generally bad. he scores, but he isn't chucking.

He isn't chucking??? So the criticisms abt his shot selection is inaccurate...even Phil told him at the beginning of last season to cut down on his FGAs which he has NEVER shot 50%

Makes me wonder do ya'll actually watch and pay attention to the games

And lets not forget he still holds the dubious distinction of taking the most shot attempts in a 7-game series vs Boston in 2013...but I guess that's not chucking *shrugs*
>
>now Basa stirring the pot years ago over "a more winning game
>of basketball" might have spurred this post, but if PG really
>would have played a more winning game of basketball instead of
>OD'ing on Green Death with the rest of his team we wouldn't
>have to have heard about the fuckin' 4 years of the Death Star
>in the NBA

>
>Misfits? Oh word...so Artest was a misfit (who pretty much won
>game 7 in the finals vs Boston when Kobe was misfiring the
>entire game 6-24)...Bynum, too? (who was arguably the best
>center in the league at that time)...Odom?!?!? (who was LA's
>most versatile player and *6th man* of the year)....Fisher
>(who had championship pedigree and had hit numerous big shots
>in the postseason/finals for LA)

Just a few facts....Kobe had 15 rebounds in game 7.

Bynum averaged 6 and 4 in 17 mpg during the 2009 playoffs, and 9 and 7 in 24 mpg in the 2010 playoffs. He was a good young player, but absolutely nobody was arguing that he was the best center in the league at that time. 2012 was the only year anyone tried to make that claim, which was not a title season and was the end of the line for those Lakers.

Bynum set a new career high in scoring with 42 points to go along with 15 rebounds (8 offensive) and 3 blocked shots on January 21, 2009 against the Los Angeles Clippers. On the next night, January 22, versus the Washington Wizards he scored 23 points to go along with 14 rebounds. On January 27, 2009, in a double overtime loss against the Charlotte Bobcats, Bynum committed a flagrant foul, fracturing the rib and subsequently collapsing the lung of Gerald Wallace of the Bobcats. While playing against the Memphis Grizzlies on January 31, 2009, Kobe Bryant had an off balanced shot, fell and collided with Bynum's right knee, resulting in a right knee sprain. On February 2, 2009 it was revealed that Bynum had suffered a torn MCL in his right knee and would be out 8–12 weeks. This was the second straight year that Bynum had suffered a knee injury against the Memphis Grizzlies. He had averaged 26 points and 14 rebounds in his previous five games, posting five straight double-doubles.

Bynum missed the next 32 games. On April 9, he returned in a home game against the Denver Nuggets. He went 0–2 in the first half, but finished with 7–11 by the end of the game. With the 21 minutes that he played, Bynum scored 16 points and grabbed 7 rebounds. Still recovering from his knee injury, he played in the playoffs wearing an awkward knee brace. He was not the same player, averaging 6.3 points and 3.7 rebounds while often in foul trouble. The Lakers advanced to the 2009 NBA Finals against the Orlando Magic. Although Bynum averaged just 19 minutes against the Magic and their center Dwight Howard, the Lakers won the championship.

2009–10 season
In the 2010 NBA playoffs, Bynum injured his knee in Game 6 against the Oklahoma City Thunder in the first round. It was the third consecutive season his knee injuries impacted the Lakers postseason. However, he kept on playing, and the Lakers won their second championship in a row. Postponing surgery until after the playoffs, Bynum appeared in all 23 of the Lakers' playoff games, averaging 8.6 points and 6.9 rebounds. Teammate Pau Gasol called Bynum's "tenacity remarkable. He gave his best. He sacrificed himself in order to help the team and have a better chance to win the championship."

When healthy he was pretty much the best offensive ctr. in the league as far back as 09...injuries were the only thing holding him back...numbers don't lie

As far as Bean's 15 rebs in game 7, those caroms were almost cancelled out w/his inefficiency (405.% for the series)....luckily Artest was on in that game and don't forget abt Gasol who had 19pts 18rebs in gm 7 and 19/12/4 for the series













>>
>>Misfits? Oh word...so Artest was a misfit (who pretty much
>won
>>game 7 in the finals vs Boston when Kobe was misfiring the
>>entire game 6-24)...Bynum, too? (who was arguably the best
>>center in the league at that time)...Odom?!?!? (who was LA's
>>most versatile player and *6th man* of the year)....Fisher
>>(who had championship pedigree and had hit numerous big
>shots
>>in the postseason/finals for LA)
>
>Just a few facts....Kobe had 15 rebounds in game 7.
>
>Bynum averaged 6 and 4 in 17 mpg during the 2009 playoffs, and
>9 and 7 in 24 mpg in the 2010 playoffs. He was a good young
>player, but absolutely nobody was arguing that he was the best
>center in the league at that time. 2012 was the only year
>anyone tried to make that claim, which was not a title season
>and was the end of the line for those Lakers.
>
>

Like you said, numbers don't lie. 6 and 4 and 9 and 7 during the playoff runs to the title. Gave his all, played hurt, sacrificed, contributed.....no question.

Best C in the league? Nah. Don't make things up and try to support it by posting about a few big games in January.

Artest shot 7-18 in game 7, for the record. Since, you know, positive contributions from players towards a championship are cancelled out by poor shooting in your world.

how Amare's game suffered when Melo first joined the team???

Remember when Phil told him he needed to cut down on his shot attempts?

The narrative has been out there for awhile now

in particular is a selfish player and is a known ball hog...I'm sure his former teammates would co-sign that lolololol

Broussard could not reach Anthony for comment, but he did learn from a source that several Knicks players are at odds with Anthony and do not believe he plays team basketball. Over the weekend, Knicks players told Anthony he shoots too much and plays too little defense, according to Broussard.
>is one of the dumber sports takes out there.

>in particular is a selfish player and is a known ball
>hog...I'm sure his former teammates would co-sign that
>lolololol

You're sure? Cool. I'm not.

>Broussard could not reach Anthony for comment, but he did
>learn from a source that several Knicks players are at odds
>with Anthony and do not believe he plays team basketball. Over
>the weekend, Knicks players told Anthony he shoots too much
>and plays too little defense, according to Broussard.
>>is one of the dumber sports takes out there.
>

Sometimes you've got to consider the source. It was supposedly Tim Hardaway.....a poor defender, with poor shot selection.....he basically sucks at everything.

>>in particular is a selfish player and is a known ball
>>hog...I'm sure his former teammates would co-sign that
>>lolololol
>
>You're sure? Cool. I'm not.

I'm shocked...too bad you're in the minority
>
>>Broussard could not reach Anthony for comment, but he did
>>learn from a source that several Knicks players are at odds
>>with Anthony and do not believe he plays team basketball.
>Over
>>the weekend, Knicks players told Anthony he shoots too much
>>and plays too little defense, according to Broussard.
>>>is one of the dumber sports takes out there.
>>
>
>Sometimes you've got to consider the source. It was
>supposedly Tim Hardaway.....a poor defender, with poor shot
>selection.....he basically sucks at everything.

Smh - typical OKS - instead of addressing the assertion that Melo's teammates thought he shot too much and played no dedense you want to attack Hardaway

>>>in particular is a selfish player and is a known ball
>>>hog...I'm sure his former teammates would co-sign that
>>>lolololol
>>
>>You're sure? Cool. I'm not.
>
>I'm shocked...too bad you're in the minority

Actually, I'm not. Melo regularly makes the all star team, he's made many All NBA teams, and he'll be a hall of famer. You act like he's Ricky Davis.

>>>Broussard could not reach Anthony for comment, but he did
>>>learn from a source that several Knicks players are at odds
>>>with Anthony and do not believe he plays team basketball.
>>Over
>>>the weekend, Knicks players told Anthony he shoots too much
>>>and plays too little defense, according to Broussard.
>>>>is one of the dumber sports takes out there.
>>>
>>
>>Sometimes you've got to consider the source. It was
>>supposedly Tim Hardaway.....a poor defender, with poor shot
>>selection.....he basically sucks at everything.
>
>Smh - typical OKS - instead of addressing the assertion that
>Melo's teammates thought he shot too much and played no
>dedense you want to attack Hardaway

You cited "unnamed sources" and worded it like his entire team(of scrubs) had a problem with him, and aren't happy that I named who I recalled to supposedly be one of the "sources"?

>>>>in particular is a selfish player and is a known ball
>>>>hog...I'm sure his former teammates would co-sign that
>>>>lolololol
>>>
>>>You're sure? Cool. I'm not.
>>
>>I'm shocked...too bad you're in the minority
>
>Actually, I'm not. Melo regularly makes the all star team,
>he's made many All NBA teams, and he'll be a hall of famer.
>You act like he's Ricky Davis.

Yeah you are, sorry...and just because he's made 2nd/3rd team All-NBA teams doesn't mean he's not a ball-hog...Westbrook, for example, is a better player than Melo and almost won MVP last season and everyone knows he's a ball-hog...
>
>>>>Broussard could not reach Anthony for comment, but he did
>>>>learn from a source that several Knicks players are at
>odds
>>>>with Anthony and do not believe he plays team basketball.
>>>Over
>>>>the weekend, Knicks players told Anthony he shoots too
>much
>>>>and plays too little defense, according to Broussard.
>>>>>is one of the dumber sports takes out there.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sometimes you've got to consider the source. It was
>>>supposedly Tim Hardaway.....a poor defender, with poor shot
>>>selection.....he basically sucks at everything.
>>
>>Smh - typical OKS - instead of addressing the assertion that
>>Melo's teammates thought he shot too much and played no
>>dedense you want to attack Hardaway
>
>You cited "unnamed sources" and worded it like his entire
>team(of scrubs) had a problem with him, and aren't happy that
>I named who I recalled to supposedly be one of the "sources"?

Yeah because those criticisms couldn't be true abt Melo despite the knock on him being an ISO player that hinders ball movement

Again, I just find it comical that ya'll act like these things said abt Melo is only on OKS lol
>


>
>

>>>>>in particular is a selfish player and is a known ball
>>>>>hog...I'm sure his former teammates would co-sign that
>>>>>lolololol
>>>>
>>>>You're sure? Cool. I'm not.
>>>
>>>I'm shocked...too bad you're in the minority
>>
>>Actually, I'm not. Melo regularly makes the all star team,
>>he's made many All NBA teams, and he'll be a hall of famer.
>>You act like he's Ricky Davis.
>
>Yeah you are, sorry...and just because he's made 2nd/3rd team
>All-NBA teams doesn't mean he's not a ball-hog...Westbrook,
>for example, is a better player than Melo and almost won MVP
>last season and everyone knows he's a ball-hog...
>>

I remember when some called Jordan a "ball hog". It's a meaningless comment frequently misused by clueless fans who don't like great scorers that take a lot of shots.

>>>>>>in particular is a selfish player and is a known ball
>>>>>>hog...I'm sure his former teammates would co-sign that
>>>>>>lolololol
>>>>>
>>>>>You're sure? Cool. I'm not.
>>>>
>>>>I'm shocked...too bad you're in the minority
>>>
>>>Actually, I'm not. Melo regularly makes the all star team,
>>>he's made many All NBA teams, and he'll be a hall of famer.
>
>>>You act like he's Ricky Davis.
>>
>>Yeah you are, sorry...and just because he's made 2nd/3rd
>team
>>All-NBA teams doesn't mean he's not a ball-hog...Westbrook,
>>for example, is a better player than Melo and almost won MVP
>>last season and everyone knows he's a ball-hog...
>>>
>
>I remember when some called Jordan a "ball hog". It's a
>meaningless comment frequently misused by clueless fans who
>don't like great scorers that take a lot of shots.

Again, lies and more lies lol - Jordan was NEVER EVER thought of as a ball hog...why? Because, unlike Melo and Kobe, he was ALWAYS a highly efficient scorer...Jorn is damn near a 50% shoiter for his career

You're a ball hog when you're shooting and *missing*...ask Phil Jackson

>>>>>>>in particular is a selfish player and is a known ball
>>>>>>>hog...I'm sure his former teammates would co-sign that
>>>>>>>lolololol
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You're sure? Cool. I'm not.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm shocked...too bad you're in the minority
>>>>
>>>>Actually, I'm not. Melo regularly makes the all star
>team,
>>>>he's made many All NBA teams, and he'll be a hall of
>famer.
>>
>>>>You act like he's Ricky Davis.
>>>
>>>Yeah you are, sorry...and just because he's made 2nd/3rd
>>team
>>>All-NBA teams doesn't mean he's not a ball-hog...Westbrook,
>>>for example, is a better player than Melo and almost won
>MVP
>>>last season and everyone knows he's a ball-hog...
>>>>
>>
>>I remember when some called Jordan a "ball hog". It's a
>>meaningless comment frequently misused by clueless fans who
>>don't like great scorers that take a lot of shots.
>
>Again, lies and more lies lol - Jordan was NEVER EVER thought
>of as a ball hog...why? Because, unlike Melo and Kobe, he was
>ALWAYS a highly efficient scorer...Jorn is damn near a 50%
>shoiter for his career
>
>You're a ball hog when you're shooting and *missing*...ask
>Phil Jackson

Just because you don't know/remember doesn't mean it's lies. There was a "Jordan is a ball hog and will never win a championship because he shoots too much" narrative coming from dumb people at one time.

can't call someone a ball hog when they're making most of their shots....MJ was probably not only the best scoring option on his team but also probably the most efficient, definitely so when you consider how many shot attempts he got

That's what you and whoever believes that MJ was a "ball hog" don't get - MJ, unlike Bean, AI, and Melo, was a very efficient scorer and took good shots from the field

The belief was that the league leading scorer couldn't win a championship, particularly Jorn because it was believed he wouldn't trust his teammates enough to win a chip

>>>>>>in particular is a selfish player and is a known ball
>>>>>>>>hog...I'm sure his former teammates would co-sign that
>>>>>>>>lolololol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You're sure? Cool. I'm not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm shocked...too bad you're in the minority
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually, I'm not. Melo regularly makes the all star
>>team,
>>>>>he's made many All NBA teams, and he'll be a hall of
>>famer.
>>>
>>>>>You act like he's Ricky Davis.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah you are, sorry...and just because he's made 2nd/3rd
>>>team
>>>>All-NBA teams doesn't mean he's not a
>ball-hog...Westbrook,
>>>>for example, is a better player than Melo and almost won
>>MVP
>>>>last season and everyone knows he's a ball-hog...
>>>>>
>>>
>>>I remember when some called Jordan a "ball hog". It's a
>>>meaningless comment frequently misused by clueless fans who
>>>don't like great scorers that take a lot of shots.
>>
>>Again, lies and more lies lol - Jordan was NEVER EVER
>thought
>>of as a ball hog...why? Because, unlike Melo and Kobe, he
>was
>>ALWAYS a highly efficient scorer...Jorn is damn near a 50%
>>shoiter for his career
>>
>>You're a ball hog when you're shooting and *missing*...ask
>>Phil Jackson
>
>Just because you don't know/remember doesn't mean it's lies.
>There was a "Jordan is a ball hog and will never win a
>championship because he shoots too much" narrative coming from
>dumb people at one time.

And it was dumb. Here's an example.

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-11-22/sports/8802180834_1_bulls-charles-barkley-pat-riley

Jordan led the league in FG attempts 9 times, including all 6 times that the Bulls won the title. He was the best scorer, so he should've been taking the most shots.

Carmelo has been near the top of the league in shot attempts, as he should....he's been one of the best scorers in the league for a decade and especially in recent years has played with very offensively challenged teammates.

Baseball writer of all ppl does not validate your point lmao

That was a bullshit article and its clear you had to do a google search just to find this piece of fluff LOL - dude talmbout Jordan should average 12apg instead of 5.5apg lol, really? 12apg? Bird never averaged double-digit assists and he wasn't the scorer Jordan was - has CP3 ever averaged 12 dimes ...not once did he mention that Jordan shot .482% from the field which is pretty high for someone who averaged in the high 30s and the following season he averaged 35ppg (.535%) and the season after that 32.5ppg (.538) along w/*8* rebs and *8* apg which demonstrated that MJ was always a great all-around playe which Melo is NOT...



>And it was dumb. Here's an example.
>
>http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1988-11-22/sports/8802180834_1_bulls-charles-barkley-pat-riley
>
>Jordan led the league in FG attempts 9 times, including all 6
>times that the Bulls won the title. He was the best scorer,
>so he should've been taking the most shots.

It wasn't that Jordan was their best scorer because if he was shooting in the low to mid 40s FG% then there would've been a case to make that he should've made an effort to get his teammates involved or that he was a ball hog but the genius of Jordan was that he was simply an offensive juggernaut because he played to his offensive strenghts by taking good and efficient shots - he wasn't just chucking up bad shot after shot like Melo, Bean, or Westbrook

>
>Carmelo has been near the top of the league in shot attempts,
>as he should....he's been one of the best scorers in the
>league for a decade and especially in recent years has played
>with very offensively challenged teammates.

You forgot that he's known around the league as a "ball-stopper" who shoots a low pct. from the floor and who isn't anywhere close to being the facilitator that Jordan was and who no other elite player (see:Jared Dudley) seems to want to play w/him despite being in the media capital - plenty of players wanted to play w/MJ and we now know you could build a team around Jordan's skill set which further makes "your" claim moot that Jordan was a ball hog but we see that's far from the case w/Melo

>Baseball writer of all ppl does not validate your point lmao
>
>That was a bullshit article and its clear you had to do a
>google search just to find this piece of fluff LOL - dude
>talmbout Jordan should average 12apg instead of 5.5apg lol,
>really? 12apg? Bird never averaged double-digit assists and he
>wasn't the scorer Jordan was - has CP3 ever averaged 12 dimes
>...not once did he mention that Jordan shot .482% from the
>field which is pretty high for someone who averaged in the
>high 30s and the following season he averaged 35ppg (.535%)
>and the season after that 32.5ppg (.538) along w/*8* rebs and
>*8* apg which demonstrated that MJ was always a great
>all-around playe which Melo is NOT...

That baseball writer was no different than the average dumb basketball fan.

Yeah, I had to google search.....how else am I gonna find an old ass article? You got a better way? It was pre-internet obviously, so I'm going off memory of what a lot of people were saying because it there's no blogs or old message board posts full of people saying that shit for me to link to. But it happened.

LMAO at you desperately trying to turn this into Jordan vs. Melo, as if that was ever the point.

The best scorers should shoot a lot. Especially when their teammates suck. That's my point.

>>Baseball writer of all ppl does not validate your point
>lmao
>>
>>That was a bullshit article and its clear you had to do a
>>google search just to find this piece of fluff LOL - dude
>>talmbout Jordan should average 12apg instead of 5.5apg lol,
>>really? 12apg? Bird never averaged double-digit assists and
>he
>>wasn't the scorer Jordan was - has CP3 ever averaged 12
>dimes
>>...not once did he mention that Jordan shot .482% from the
>>field which is pretty high for someone who averaged in the
>>high 30s and the following season he averaged 35ppg (.535%)
>>and the season after that 32.5ppg (.538) along w/*8* rebs
>and
>>*8* apg which demonstrated that MJ was always a great
>>all-around playe which Melo is NOT...
>
>That baseball writer was no different than the average dumb
>basketball fan.

But its not just the "average dumb fan" who says Melo is a ball hog, this has been said by sports writers/commentators, former players/coaches/GMs as well as fans
>
>Yeah, I had to google search.....how else am I gonna find an
>old ass article? You got a better way? It was pre-internet
>obviously, so I'm going off memory of what a lot of people
>were saying because it there's no blogs or old message board
>posts full of people saying that shit for me to link to. But
>it happened.

Yeah you did a random google search trying to find an article where someone said Jordan was a ball hog was what I was pointing out - at least find some credible ppl who said Jordan was a ball hog lol...not a guy who didn't even cover the sport which was evident by the non sense he was saying
>
>LMAO at you desperately trying to turn this into Jordan vs.
>Melo, as if that was ever the point.

Wtf!!! YOU brought Jordan in this, not me, I just refuted the lie you tried to advance abt him being a ball hog smh - this is typical of you Melo stans to bring up another player then try and make it like his critics are the ones comparing him to them
>
>The best scorers should shoot a lot. Especially when their
>teammates suck. That's my point.

And your point is incorrect - its not abt shooting a lot, its abt taking good shots and being efficient as well as setting up teammates because even w/bad teammates you can still play TEAM BASKETBALL...

You never answered my question: is Durant considered a ball hog? And if he isn't how in the hell was that the so-called "narrative" abt Jordan

in scoring several times...

The answer is an emphatic NO because unlike his teammate he's not a mindless chucker...he's actually become more efficient through the years because he plays w/a ball hog

And to think: Durant is not the efficient scorer Jordan was...but yet you trying to tell a lie that Jordan was considered a "ball hog"

You're only a ball hog when you're jacking up shots....and missing



>>>>>>>>in particular is a selfish player and is a known ball
>>>>>>>>hog...I'm sure his former teammates would co-sign that
>>>>>>>>lolololol
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You're sure? Cool. I'm not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm shocked...too bad you're in the minority
>>>>>
>>>>>Actually, I'm not. Melo regularly makes the all star
>>team,
>>>>>he's made many All NBA teams, and he'll be a hall of
>>famer.
>>>
>>>>>You act like he's Ricky Davis.
>>>>
>>>>Yeah you are, sorry...and just because he's made 2nd/3rd
>>>team
>>>>All-NBA teams doesn't mean he's not a
>ball-hog...Westbrook,
>>>>for example, is a better player than Melo and almost won
>>MVP
>>>>last season and everyone knows he's a ball-hog...
>>>>>
>>>
>>>I remember when some called Jordan a "ball hog". It's a
>>>meaningless comment frequently misused by clueless fans who
>>>don't like great scorers that take a lot of shots.
>>
>>Again, lies and more lies lol - Jordan was NEVER EVER
>thought
>>of as a ball hog...why? Because, unlike Melo and Kobe, he
>was
>>ALWAYS a highly efficient scorer...Jorn is damn near a 50%
>>shoiter for his career
>>
>>You're a ball hog when you're shooting and *missing*...ask
>>Phil Jackson
>
>Just because you don't know/remember doesn't mean it's lies.
>There was a "Jordan is a ball hog and will never win a
>championship because he shoots too much" narrative coming from
>dumb people at one time.

season and part of his 2nd season but his career playoff assist average is the same as Melo's (2.8)

But the more important stat to look is that PG only averages abt 12 ahots per gm for his career while Melo is right at 20 shots per gm and the best of George is yet to come while Melo has reached his ceiling

none of this would be happening.

If you can't be consistent what's the point in debating you? We always had goalposts on wheels but now mfers are painted them camouflage.

Because I've acted like a hoe on OKS, for years. I was
petty and all that. But there is a limit. When you see
dudes habitually line stepping and then just full on
crossing the line in massive, egregious ways, it's indicative
of someone who is legitimately hoe-like, rather than a regular
dude just poppin shit for humor and snark

That's all it is


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

this from a guy who blames millennia of racism on andy dalton lmao. you have long surpassed basa, money man, et al in terms of shamelessness.

That made you a wee bit sad

You started it, black man


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

more than 3 times a game.

This is a clear indication that the coach is stupid.

Good laughs fellas

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/48/48a3ac381a5470dc09ceac9a90ac381993d66d9af383b020fb94207701dbb01d.jpg

...OJ Mayo scored 13 points in a regular season game.