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2480553, RE: I'm enjoying the backlash
Posted by LA2Philly, Thu Oct-01-15 06:32 PM
>as you mentioned, all the grading is highly subjective but
>due to them assigning number grades, has been interpreted as
>objective fact. my biggest issues:
>1.) they grade the TV broadcast -- now, they say the watch
>all-22 later in the week and make adjustments, but it's hard
>to overcome initial bias. how you grade anybody in pass
>coverage and most quarterbacks without all-22 tape is beyond
>me, because you can't. not to the level of specificity they
>claim. this is actually a near-fatal detriment.

Yeh, this never made any sense to me...it's mind-numblingly stupid to use tv tape to grade a secondary and QBs, as you said.

>2.) grades swing wildly based on plays with unknown
>assignments -- the only people that know what the coverage
>call was are the players and coaches. just because a defensive
>back looks like he should've rotated over, or looks like he
>was in man coverage the entire way, doesn't mean there wasn't
>a bust somewhere else that put him in a bad spot. and if they
>blame the wrong guy for a 40-yard gain, that puts a huge
>negative on his grade, possibly for the entire season. same
>thing goes for quarterbacks who throw to a defender -- was he
>reading the coverage wrong, or did his receiver run the wrong

Yup, more subjective assumptions without any evidence/confirmation to support them.

>3.) the mistakes roll downhill -- even their staff admits that
>a couple bad plays in a few games can turn a decent grade into
>a negative for the whole year. all this subjectivity is piling
>on top of each other for better and worse.


>I really like the idea of scouting every player for every
>game, because football is an extremely hard game to quantify
>(unlike baseball or basketball). but for the past few years
>the media and fans have been spouting off PFF grades like
>absolute truths, when they really are as subjective as your or
>my opinions.

And that's really the problem...the perception of PFF as "definitive" because lets face it, most media and fans don't understand the game enough to make any criticisms of it. Of course PFF, from a pure business perspective, isn't going to bring up these problems.

This latest rating really highlights a serious issue with PFF in how it grades QBs as it is rating QB throws without any understanding of why those throws were made in the first place. The AR throw to Ty was rated higher than either of his quick out throws to Cobb but in reality the throws to Cobb (easy throw to achieve your purpose) which were created on his pre-snap read are the ideal....low-risk, all-reward...and based on the QB preparation. If you're penalizing QBs for knowing coverage and adapting as such in order to make the game easier, that goes against common sense to the point of sheer stupidity.