hired James Worthy as a special assistant Coach for the bigs.... and Tracy Murray as a shooting coach....

be back later to speak on the roster

All I want is for this team to show promise and for the rookies to stay healthy and develop. The FAs will come if that happens. If not...were in for a long year. Obviously no playoffs but I think this team can win 30-40 games if all goes well.

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haven't had the opportunity in the league yet...then have guys who have been in the league for a second, but have seemingly reached their ceiling... We had guys like Wes....Xavier...Hill....Davis...Ellington...they was cool..but they pretty much are who they are....you not going to build ground up with those kind of guys..

Now with Clarkson, Russell, Randle, Nance, Brown, Black, Upshaw...now you got minutes for young players who are fresh...and hungry to show what they can do.

You build your team with other teams flame outs...a hopelessness is always going to be under the surface with your team. There's no upside..these guys are who they are.


Now you got a young core...you have some vets like Bass, Lou, Hibbard, Swag, who have actually contributed in the league during times... Whatever Kobe can give you ..you know how he gets down..

I'm just excited to see a nice young core of players...

***
I'm tryna be better off, not better than...

D'Angelo running screen-roll, Julius playing off of that and hopefully cementing a mid-range game to complement his face-up ability, Clarkson continuing to attack and developing his jumper + defensive consistency, seeing how Kobe mixes in, Hibbert's ability to wall the paint...will be nice to finally have some young, athletic blood on this team and I'm hoping it particularly shows up on the defensive end.

lots of missed shots..

but a couple of nice pick and rolls.... but B Scott be killin them dudes legs in his training camps... main thing is to keep guys healthy..

he's making things happen...

Exciting team this season for sure

https://www.facebook.com/losangeleslakers/videos/10156216703135341/

best play I've seen a Duke player make in a game in a minute..


but man I like our team right now...

I'm ready..

..almost gave up the game being careless.

hopefully they'll continue to mature and learn from the veteran leadership of kobe & metta.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

not sure they will..

but I'd like to keep both of them around on the D-league...

can get back on the team. dude has lots of potential.

Kobe on D'Angelo being the primary ball-handler: "that's what we brought him here to do and he's phenomenal at it"...."that's what he does best is organize the offense".

Lo and behold, guess who was the primary ball-handler at practice today?

fukk a stretch 4....

if he's not making shots he's worthless.... Tarik Black can defend and rebound..hell...suit up Nance Jr. to get to the rack on em..

but damn.... when the shit was getting out of hand...he wouldn't sub the starters back..and then when he did...he kept Kelly out there damn near as a defensive sub before putting Randle back in..

I don't get that...

suit up Ron-Ron.....fukk that...

if Kelly don't make some 3s early sit his ass back on the bench and put in someone who can fukkin do something..

Kelly's value is as a shooter...he got to some good spots last night but he was throwing up some bricks. You can't continue to trot him out there if he's not shooting well.

The sub pattern made absolutely no sense either....you have to put some of the starters back into the game if the 2nd unit has that prolonged of a bad stretch.

but I'm sorry... we were getting scored upon like crazy on that run..you can't tell me Black wouldn't have made a difference on the defensive end if you wanted to buy more time for Randle..

we looked great though for most of the game..I just really wanted to go to bed on an opening win after last year..

The kelly/Base front-court when you're giving up 37 points in a quarter...and then you play them for 5 more minutes into the 4th, just a real head-scratcher. The dude I really wanna see is Brown...our best perimeter defender and he can stroke it. 3 and D, let this kid get some burn and develop.

Man, I'm so with you on getting that first win to open the season...I couldn't sleep that night afterwards, woke up in a bad mood.

one of Mitch's guys

russell's got to play to get comfortable and byron wont do it.

There's NO FUCKING REASON D'Angelo should not see the floor for 13 straight minutes after the best stretch of his young career....and further, you can see his defensive activity level has increased particularly when he's fighting through screens.

This fucking idiot rationalized Lou's minutes last game by saying he was playing too well (even though is chucking and black hole behavior is what got us into a hole in the first place) to take out for DRuss...so what exactly was the excuse today? Not only did he not put him in when Lou was playing poorly and the offense was stagnating, he puts him back on the floor before yanking him after 2 minutes even though it was Kobe and Randle forcing on the offensive end.

What the fuck kind of message is this to your #2 pick who has already been feeling so much scrutiny. He responds with his best overall game and you still don't change a damn thing. I hate this shit.

Guys, dumb half-asaed commentary like this...I can't
take it.

I can't.

You're mad because hedidn't coddle D'Angelo on a road
game where Scott's coaching helped to secure the team's
first win of the season?

Are you joking?

This just in: Your team fucking sucks. Is awful. You're
going to have to experiment with all kinds of combinations
to see how people respond to different situations.

The only player with any kind of benefit of the
doubt other than Clarkson is Lou Will, because he was NBA 6th
Man of the Year, on an excellent team, and played in the playoffs. There are NO other players on that team who demonstrated
anything with any kind of consistency last year, to warrant
anything resembling a benefit of the doubt.

And your biggest problem is Kobe Bryant. Unless you can
tell Scott how to handle that situation, you have nothing
to say.

>There's NO FUCKING REASON D'Angelo should not see the floor
>for 13 straight minutes after the best stretch of his young
>career....and further, you can see his defensive activity
>level has increased particularly when he's fighting through
>screens.

It's an 82 game season and he's 19 years old. He's going
to be beat up and exhausted by game 57.

Plus, it's not Byron Scott's job to coddle him.

Especially in a competitive game where they can get their
first win.

Getting the first win for the TEAM is infinitely more important
than any sub-agenda to coddle Russell.

>This fucking idiot rationalized Lou's minutes last game by
>saying he was playing too well (even though is chucking and
>black hole behavior is what got us into a hole in the first
>place)

Lou Will was the 6th Man of the Year on an excellent basketball
team last year, and has earned that type of leeway, especially
on this team of injured guys and kids.

to take out for DRuss...so what exactly was the excuse
>today? Not only did he not put him in when Lou was playing
>poorly and the offense was stagnating, he puts him back on the
>floor before yanking him after 2 minutes even though it was
>Kobe and Randle forcing on the offensive end.

The team won on the road.

>What the fuck kind of message is this to your #2 pick who has
>already been feeling so much scrutiny.


The message is: come out of the game, because I said so.

AND he learned to how to win on the road.

He responds with his
>best overall game and you still don't change a damn thing. I
>hate this shit.

You act like D'Angelo went for 40 points.

It's a long season.

And Byron orchestrated the first win, which was huge for
the entire team's development and psyche.

i dont think they truly understand how BAD that team is...when they actually begin to win the team wont look anything like it does now....ery night they lose by a hunned ..kobe fault...

AFTER a road win because he didn't play a 19 YEAR OLD
ROOKIE enough minutes!!!?!?

What the fuck is wrong with you guys?!?!?

Are you the dumbest, most delusional motherfuckers in
the galaxy or what?!?!

Three Laker fans saying Kobe is done, kindly stfu and KIM. Kobe being a serious problem doesn't mean that Byron also isn't a problem, those things aren't mutually exclusive. Obviously I wouldn't expect you or Troll_OE to understand or admit to that.

Ya'll dudes so pressed you're in a team post that has nothing to do with you.

EVERY night...byron cant be the problem given the hand hes been dealt...get fkng real...either you rebuilding and experimenting or you trying to win...you cant have both at this point having bean makes it worse...

As in playing your #2 draft pick minutes, which is completely controlled by Byron, and allowing him to build experience, especially when he's having his best game of the year...as in me literally above saying "win or lose" implying I don't care if we win and am mad Byron isn't playing a rookie..as in me and 2 other Laker fans asking for Kobe to hang them up?

Would you consider those things to be re-building statements? There are direct comments in this post and the Friday post contradicting your lying. KIM and stop lying.

Bwahahahahahahaahahhahahhahahhahahhahahahahhahhahhahahaha

What a piece of shit you are

He has an obligation to the ENTIRE roster

He has OTHER young guys to develop and think about

He has an OBLIGATION to do the best for EVERYONE

It is a LONG season...Russell has PLENTY of opportunities

You gonna give him CREDIT for how's dealt with Randle?
Coming off a devastating injury, he's allowed Randle to
find his place.....Byron get credit for that?
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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

Nobody is blaming Byron for losing. It's how and how he holds people back. Just like when D'Antoni was bringing Pau off the bench.

>Nobody is blaming Byron for losing. It's how and how he holds
>people back.

Who has he held back!?!?





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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

dude is a shit coach.

Guys, dumb half-asaed commentary like this...I can't
take it.

I can't.

You're mad because hedidn't coddle D'Angelo on a road
game where Scott's coaching helped to secure the team's
first win of the season?

Are you joking?

This just in: Your team fucking sucks. Is awful. You're
going to have to experiment with all kinds of combinations
to see how people respond to different situations.

The only player with any kind of benefit of the
doubt other than Clarkson is Lou Will, because he was NBA 6th
Man of the Year, on an excellent team, and played in the playoffs. There are NO other players on that team who demonstrated
anything with any kind of consistency last year, to warrant
anything resembling a benefit of the doubt.

And your biggest problem is Kobe Bryant. Unless you can
tell Scott how to handle that situation, you have nothing
to say.

>There's NO FUCKING REASON D'Angelo should not see the floor
>for 13 straight minutes after the best stretch of his young
>career....and further, you can see his defensive activity
>level has increased particularly when he's fighting through
>screens.

It's an 82 game season and he's 19 years old. He's going
to be beat up and exhausted by game 57.

Plus, it's not Byron Scott's job to coddle him.

Especially in a competitive game where they can get their
first win.

Getting the first win for the TEAM is infinitely more important
than any sub-agenda to coddle Russell.

>This fucking idiot rationalized Lou's minutes last game by
>saying he was playing too well (even though is chucking and
>black hole behavior is what got us into a hole in the first
>place)

Lou Will was the 6th Man of the Year on an excellent basketball
team last year, and has earned that type of leeway, especially
on this team of injured guys and kids.

to take out for DRuss...so what exactly was the excuse
>today? Not only did he not put him in when Lou was playing
>poorly and the offense was stagnating, he puts him back on the
>floor before yanking him after 2 minutes even though it was
>Kobe and Randle forcing on the offensive end.

The team won on the road.

>What the fuck kind of message is this to your #2 pick who has
>already been feeling so much scrutiny.


The message is: come out of the game, because I said so.

AND he learned to how to win on the road.

He responds with his
>best overall game and you still don't change a damn thing. I
>hate this shit.

You act like D'Angelo went for 40 points.

It's a long season.

And Byron orchestrated the first win, which was huge for
the entire team's development and psyche.

"Kobe's preventing this team from becoming good." - Michael Cooper on the postgame show.

i seen arash markazi tweet out about kobe getting a chance to retire a winner--as if he DESERVES that!--and play meaningful games. why take minutes away from a deserving, able-bodied player? do people forget this guy is a total scumbag who sucked every cent and every accolade he could out of his career? don't let the door knob hit ya where the good lord split ya, get the fuck out and see you in five years for the awkward-ass speech.

Total scumbag who maximized his money and accolades...Lol, ya'll philly dudes and the Kobe emotion crack me up.

I mean, Kobe brought a TON to this city...and while it's hampered my team and I'd prefer he take a Dirk-like paycut, he really SHOULDN'T. Charlie's just being lame here.

it's OK, no one will take your laker fan card for telling the truth about 100-year-old kobe. dude chose money over winning in his later years and that's how his should career should end. and of course he has no business being on a team that supposedly represents the best 12 players in the world or very close to it, when he is one of the worst starters in the entire league.

Agreeing that he shouldn't be on the team and agreeing that you're being extra with the "total scumbag who sucked money" comment aren't mutually exclusive things.

people confuse him with the likes of ali and clemente all the time, right?

Nothing in between Ali, Clemente and total scumbag, how could I be so dense. I know you're trying to pile on while you can but it's just making you look silly fam.

he wanted it to be his team when he was at his peak, k, i understand, kinda. he wants it to be his team now, when he's half-dead and three-quarters buried? nah. if he wanted to "go out a winner," he could have done what dirk did, he could have looked for an opportunity to play a reduced role elsewhere, etc.

we are not talking about a guy who comported himself with class or who put winning above all else. he deserves to go out exactly how he is going out.

>he wanted it to be his team when he was at his peak, k, i
>understand, kinda. he wants it to be his team now, when he's
>half-dead and three-quarters buried? nah.

Um, I've said multiple times he should retire.

>if he wanted to "go
>out a winner," he could have done what dirk did, he could have
>looked for an opportunity to play a reduced role elsewhere,
>etc.

Always easy for the person not being offered the money to say that. Fact is the organization offered him the deal and he accepted it...financially we've already been over why it was a great deal for the team and he has said it himself, he's not going to be paid below what he is worth...that's a slippery slope precedent to set. I wish he would have taken the pay-cut but I also understand his financial leverage and that he always felt he could still be a top player in the league (obviously not true but his stubbornness made him great, now it's hurting us)

>we are not talking about a guy who comported himself with
>class or who put winning above all else. he deserves to go out
>exactly how he is going out.

And I said he shouldn't be on the team...so clearly I couldn't care less about if he goes out winning or not. There's a difference between saying that and the extra emo stuff you decided to throw in there as well.

tom brady, martin brodeur ... the list goes on and on. other guys who have won like him liked the winning more than the money for the most part.



>And I said he shouldn't be on the team...so clearly I couldn't
>care less about if he goes out winning or not. There's a
>difference between saying that and the extra emo stuff you
>decided to throw in there as well.


you guys are just nitpicking now. we all agree he made his bed, now he should lay in it.

Byron's dumbass just makes it even worse...never calls him on it (and Kobe's usage rate has gone up while the Randle, Russell's and JC's have decreased) and then says just completely dumb shit like he did today in that "our two best defensive players are also the oldest (MWP and Kobe)"....this dude has gone full retard.

But I know why he wants to be, of course. He wants to go out a champion. There's always a token member of that team so I wouldnt count it out.

Also...kinda rad to go out as a 3x gold medal winner at his age.

But agreed, he'd be taking a spot from a better player for sure. Dude is just (seemingly) not willing to listen to what his body is telling him.

....also, anyone who's accomplished what he does deserves to suck all they can out of the NBA and their team. He's worth 5x what his contract is, even right today...in terms of $$$$.

symbolic selection or whatever. it's not like all 12 guys play. but i do think it would be a snub for a guy who deserves it.

the money thing, like i said, i'd have given if i were the lakers. to say he deserves five times that much? lol, now who's being emo? he got paid plenty in his career, one of the few stars who, in a relative way at least, didn't get screwed.

It's 5x Kobe's contract and then some every year. You think people are paying that to see any other player on the roster? Let alone the ancillary income from having Kobe on the roster? He's overpaid from a contributing standpoint, that's obvious. But as a business decision? They made the right move.

a couple years lebron cashed a $22M check, he generated $200M for nike. but that doesnt mean he's entitled to all the $200M.

yes, stars should make more as a whole but kobe is a poor example of that because he got in on a favorable pay scale (hence why he made over $30M recently), and talking about the TWC deal, he's been garbage since they have been broadcasting the games. i get that the argument is that he got them there but we are not talking about jordan here, the lakers had a brand and stars and success before him and frankly could have had it without him. i dont mean to discredit what he did do, i am just saying he isn't the whole show.

We're saying the same thing which is Kobe's contract was a business decision and not a basketball one. The jury is out on Jimmy Buss, but I totally understand what was done here - and realistically, that money wasn't going to be spent on quality players elsewhere.

First and foremost - I'm not saying DLo is a bust. He's not as far along as I hoped, but I knew Okafor would look better out of the gate (not THIS good, but better). I'm just wondering if Clarkson makes DLo redundant.

Would we be better off with Okafor/Randle/Clarkson (or for that matter rolling with Hibbert/Randle/Zingis/Kobe/Clarkson)?

I'm not overreacting...but the biggest question mark to me is whether or not we can actually get a good big in FAgency, which Byron admitted played into picking Russell.

>First and foremost - I'm not saying DLo is a bust. He's not
>as far along as I hoped, but I knew Okafor would look better
>out of the gate (not THIS good, but better). I'm just
>wondering if Clarkson makes DLo redundant.

No he doesn't. Clarkson's explosiveness and improved set-shot are complemented extremely well by Russell. Clarkson is a very good on the ball player but his ability is amplified against a rotating defense. DRuss is the type of guard who can take a good team to a great team because he links the entire floor, especially as he gets his legs underneath him which will result in a high % jumper.

>Would we be better off with Okafor/Randle/Clarkson (or for
>that matter rolling with Hibbert/Randle/Zingis/Kobe/Clarkson)?

Okafor doesn't fit with Randle at the 4 and how exactly do you expect Zingis to guard the 3...which also takes him away from the basket so his defensive length and rebounding are nullified.

>I'm not overreacting...but the biggest question mark to me is
>whether or not we can actually get a good big in FAgency,
>which Byron admitted played into picking Russell.

Seems like you are. Not only is Russell is 6 games into his rookie season but none of these guys have played together before. What you need alongside Randle is a defensive big who can lock the paint defensively and finish around the rim...there are some FA's who fit that mold (Whiteside, Drummond, even Hibbs at a reasonable rate).

That said...I'm just jealous the other top 6 picks are performing well. That's all.

Due to Kobe, Byron, and being the Lakers...he's stuck in this stupid transition time period of trying to win while rebuilding. He's the type of player who willingly gives the ball up but on this team, never gets it back (we are dead last in total passes even with the 7th highest pace...so many ball-stoppers on this team and when you're trying to run a Princeton variant, that's a terrible mix)...the team movement is so limited. I watched the Nuggets game last night and Mike Malone has Mudiay involved in so many screen-rolls from different parts of the floor, Zingis is being used to pop on screen-roll, Okafor has a huge usage rate and mostly on the block.

https://twitter.com/Arjun5_/status/663501257580023808




>Due to Kobe, Byron, and being the Lakers...he's stuck in this
>stupid transition time period of trying to win while
>rebuilding. He's the type of player who willingly gives the
>ball up but on this team, never gets it back (we are dead last
>in total passes even with the 7th highest pace...so many
>ball-stoppers on this team and when you're trying to run a
>Princeton variant, that's a terrible mix)...the team movement
>is so limited. I watched the Nuggets game last night and Mike
>Malone has Mudiay involved in so many screen-rolls from
>different parts of the floor, Zingis is being used to pop on
>screen-roll, Okafor has a huge usage rate and mostly on the
>block.

The Knicks game was the first time you could see DRuss being vocal (esp with Julius) and he was controlling the setup offensively before initiating...can't even imagine the frustration of having to watch Kobe chuck shots when it's clear he doesn't have it.

No 'genda here, I said that before either player was taken where they were taken. But the deal is sealed so they have a couple pieces in place with Russell and Randle and you hope for the best.

His defensive issues are over-blown but those 2 in combination are never going to be a plus defensive pair....that's why KAT was a no-brainer and that's why getting a center who can control the paint is so important going forward.

if you had em both and it didnt work out, cool, dump randle's ass. he had done nothing to that point to prove he was worth basing a decision that important on. when you have a pick in the top 5, you don't sweat fit. you're a shitty team or you wouldnt have the pick, and you take the best talent that gives a chance at being relevant.

All the reports coming out from his scrimmages and development were glowing...and he's shown why this season, albeit with the usual growing pains of a rookie. Knowing that, I think it's silly to not pro-actively find players who fit together especially when there's a player like Russell who not only has the on-court skills but many of the intangibles you look for from a leader. Russell's work-outs and interviews with the Lakers were by far the most impressive...he's the type of player who makes the sum greater than the parts, but it will take Kobe leaving, and a staff who understands the team's strengths/weaknesses. Okafor certainly has a great skillset but D'Angelo has a unique mindset of always sharing the ball to go along with his skillset, you don't find that often.

who are these multiples?

He's a stubborn hypocrite with no objective insight. What a joke.

this must be a favor to barcelona in exchange for something

“I feel like we play through the offense. Then it breaks down and we go away from it,” Russell told Los Angeles News Group. “Then we don’t move at all. We get an early shot or a shot deep into the possession. We have to figure out how to balance off good shots and timing. Everybody starts to feel like they can play hero ball. We know we can’t do it by ourselves. But we still manage not to trust each other and get it going.”

Kid is only 19 but already gets it...and he's the only dude who doesn't get the side-eye for saying this because he actually practices what he preaches. Watching last night's game, he's the only dude on our roster who would fit into the W's team bc he believes in and plays team ball.

..the frustration is completely understandable, but the outrage is premature.





*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...