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2467725, List your all-time Starting 5 for each NBA Franchise
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:26 PM
You can list it for one squad, five, or all 30 if you are bored at work.

I figure you can start two centers if you want (Hakeem and Moses Malone, Shaq and Kareem) or two PGs, or whatever...but try to keep it realistic and not have like five PGs start.

2467727, another Lakers post? - lol
Posted by LegacyNS, Fri Jul-24-15 01:30 PM

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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2467776, Noooope
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:54 PM
2467728, Atlanta Hawks
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:30 PM
2467979, No one has touched this lol, OK, I'll try
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 08:50 AM
Guards: Wilkens and Maravich in a sick combo backcourt to start. Joe Johnson and Steve Smith off the bench (shout to Mookie!)

Forwards: Nique and Bob Pettit, obviously. Cliff Hagan and Dan Roundfield off the bench. Lovelette is a fine choice but I actually saw Dan Roundfield so ...

Centers: Deke and Moses.

If I had to a third team it would be Blaylock, Lou Hudson, John Drew, Lovelette and either Horford or Kevin Willis.
2468050, RE: Atlanta Hawks
Posted by bnicedh, Sat Jul-25-15 04:49 PM
PG - Mookie Blayock
SG- Steve Smith
SF- Domonique Wilkens
PF - Walt Bellamy
C- Dikembe Mutumbo (is this one far)
2468053, Maravich, Johnson, Wilkins, Pettit, Mutumbo
Posted by DJR, Sat Jul-25-15 05:19 PM
2467729, Boston Celtics
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:30 PM
2467785, Easy
Posted by Lach, Fri Jul-24-15 02:02 PM
Bill Russell
Kevin McHale
Larry Bird
John Havlicek
Paul Pierce
2467955, no point guard tho
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 01:06 AM
2468059, I know but Hondo and Bird could do some Lebroning
Posted by Lach, Sat Jul-25-15 06:14 PM
2468060, Doesn't sound like a very Auerbachian offense to me
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 06:33 PM
2467791, Cousy, Pierce, Bird, McHale, Russell
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 02:07 PM
2467919, Like the hardest possible one lol
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 09:01 PM
Cousy
Hondo
Bird
McHale
Russell

JoJo White
Sam Jones
Pierce
Cowens
Parish

But I mean no KC Jones or DJ there and there are a lot of other potential arguables, too, going way back or even from the big 3. Best franchise ever, period.
2468123, I would try to include the pg who has the highest apg in Celts history
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Sun Jul-26-15 10:17 AM
2468127, admire your dedication. too bad he aint Cousy, JoJo or DJ
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sun Jul-26-15 11:05 AM
Not even their third-team point guard. #SorryNotSorryButRondoSorry
2468183, Hey Dick Diver. We meet again. Funny it will be right under...
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Mon Jul-27-15 12:04 AM
one of my replies or posts again.

My rationale, if I have an all time team of Russell, McHale, Bird and Pierce. Then you need somebody to get them the ball and push the pace. Who's better to do that Rondo. Flying up and down the court with Bill. Getting rebounds. And not looking to score. And killing other pgs on back cuts.

By Dick Diver.

I'll know where to find you.
2468185, Yes, because Bob Cousy was never known for pushing the pace
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Mon Jul-27-15 01:24 AM
Nor JoJo White

Don't flatter yourself I've got like a third of the replies in the thread.

Your rationale is you're a Stan. Byeeeeeeeee.
2468193, Are either faster or better passers than Rondo? Nope.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Mon Jul-27-15 08:51 AM
2468201, Cousy certainly was and White was called upon to score, which he did
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Mon Jul-27-15 09:48 AM
Cousy led the league in assists EIGHT times. He also scored over eighteen points a night for his career.

2468220, I didn't ask you about White scoring.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Mon Jul-27-15 11:04 AM
And you know there is film of Cousy playing right?

And I can watch him play and know he's not a better passer than Rondo with his one hand dribbles looking down at the ball and elementary behind the backs that look straight out of a 8 yr olds hoops mixtape.

So, Nope.

And I love the NYC Point God, but cats evolved.
2468330, Every player plays in his own era
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Mon Jul-27-15 04:38 PM
By that reasoning someone could make some wack argument that Corey Maggette was better than Elgin Baylor. Come on. Even if not Cousy or White, DJ>Rondo and most of us saw him. Whatever, man, I'll let you do your little thing.
2468381, So Rondo IS faster and a better passer. Okay thanks for playing.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Mon Jul-27-15 11:32 PM
2468390, A better passer? No. Faster? Yes. KG is faster than Russell, too. So?
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Mon Jul-27-15 11:56 PM
Does being more athletic make him ipso facto better?

Cousy won six NBA titles. He was first-team All-NBA TEN times.

And way to skirt the DJ argument. Sorry if I don't think a guy who can barely sign a fucking contract at age 29 is better than a long list of hall of famers.
2468424, Well he is a better passer. But that point is moot.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Tue Jul-28-15 07:01 AM
Because you refuse to agree on even the obvious.

And I told you what traits & skills led me to picking Rondo. But once again, pressed Charlie is into shifting the argument about shit nobody is talking about (Cousy's titles or DJ).

And what exactly would make DJ a better fit to point guard this team besides the fact the alternative you have in this scenario is Rajon Rondo and presented by me of course, to where I'm pretty confident you'd argue Dana Barros if I let this back and forth go on for about 20 replies?
2468443, Way to create a strawman. I am talking ALPHAs and HOF'ers
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Jul-28-15 09:46 AM
You're talking a peanut-headed fourth fiddle who can barely get work. Bye.
2468446, Sounds personal. Show me on the doll where Rondo touched you.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Tue Jul-28-15 09:49 AM
Pretty fitting you didn't have a sound basketball argument as a response though.

**Shrugs**

Oh well.

2468477, I like Rondo more than most folks, but just answer this:
Posted by McDeezNuts, Tue Jul-28-15 10:48 AM
Do you honestly believe he is the BEST point guard to ever play for the Boston Celtics?

Yes or no.

I get that you like the guy, I get the Kentucky thing... And he was a great passer, defender, and floor general.

I guess I can see the argument if you're picking him because the other 4 slots can all score - all he has to do is defend and distribute - but personally I think he's a little out of his depth among hall of famers and all-time greats.

Then again, as the original title says, it's "your all-time starting 5," emphasis on "your," so there's that.
2468505, No, he doesn't deserve that honor yet.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Tue Jul-28-15 11:21 AM
There are a few who've had better careers than him (not limiting solely to their Celtics careers) but Cousy, Jones, and Tiny come to mind first.

And yep, I was basing it off of the other guys on the team and Rondo facilitating, defending, and pushing the ball.
2468647, No, I actually kinda like him. What's personal is your passing ...
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Jul-28-15 05:06 PM
homer opinions as legitimate ones.

I dig Rondo, he is an oddball personality and has a funky style of play. I hope he can bounce back (though I have some doubts). But when we start talking about him in this context, wow, that's just insane.
2467730, Brooklyn/New Jersey Nets
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:31 PM
2467908, J. Kidd, V. Carter, J. Erving, B. Williams, D. Coleman
Posted by DJR, Fri Jul-24-15 07:39 PM
Going with 2 power forwards, since their center history is so awful.
2467920, Dr J and who the fuck cares? OK I will try
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 09:05 PM
Kidd
Petrovic
Doc
Buck Williams
Darryl Dawkins

Michael Ray Richardson
Otis Birdsong
Vince Carter
DC
Shawn Bradley, just to cleanse my pallet

Guys like Bernard King and Rick Barry do not strike me as Nets per se.
2467731, Charlotte Bobcats/New Hornets (not the old school Hornets)
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:31 PM
2467982, I have done all the other franchises. I refuse to do this one lmao
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 08:56 AM
2468536, the old Charlotte Hornets history came back with the name too
Posted by jrocc, Tue Jul-28-15 12:42 PM
everything from 1988 to 2002 is included in the Charlotte history books now. so it goes ...

1988 - 2002 Charlotte Hornets
2004 - 2014 Charlotte Bobcats
2014 - Present Charlotte Hornets

http://www.nba.com/hornets/charlotte-hornets-name-returns-carolinas
2468538, Bouges, Curry, Wallace, Johnson, Mourning
Posted by jrocc, Tue Jul-28-15 12:52 PM
2467732, Frazier, Pearl, King, Melo, Ewing
Posted by John Forte, Fri Jul-24-15 01:32 PM
2467733, Charlotte Hornets/New Orleans Pelicans (back to 88, Zo/LJ and them)
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:32 PM
ah
2467757, should be old hornets before the move, new hornets and bobcats
Posted by BrooklynWHAT, Fri Jul-24-15 01:39 PM
thats how the NBA views the franchise i think
2467761, Is it just like the Browns in the NFL? I know it's confusing
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:41 PM
2467772, Charlotte Hornets/Bobcats includes 1989-2002 and 2005-2015
Posted by McDeezNuts, Fri Jul-24-15 01:53 PM
The New Orleans Hornets/Pelicans is the team that's been playing in New Orleans from 2003-2015
2468064, That is confusing and stupid. I refuse to acknowledge it
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 06:38 PM
Honestly until further notice I refuse to acknowledge the very existence of the second Charlotte franchise. Quiet as kept they are on their way to supplanting the Clippers as the league's funniest punchline.
2467771, CP3, Eddie Jones, Glen Rice, AD, Zo
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:51 PM
2467780, We need separate lists for Charlotte Hornets and New Orleans Pelicans
Posted by McDeezNuts, Fri Jul-24-15 01:57 PM
Team 1) The Charlotte Hornets/Bobcats/Hornets (1989-2002, and 2005-present)

Team 2) The New Orleans Hornets/Pelicans (2003-present)


Mourning, Jones and Rice are on team 1. CP3 and AD are on team 2.
2467784, anyone who played in New Orleans is a Pelican
Posted by John Forte, Fri Jul-24-15 02:01 PM
2467790, Damn I can't edit now...the shit is confusing, I forgot how it went
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 02:05 PM
2467793, Charlotte Hornets
Posted by McDeezNuts, Fri Jul-24-15 02:08 PM
PG - Baron Davis
SG - Jason Richardson
SF - Glen Rice (tough call over Mashburn)
PF - Larry Johnson
C - Mourning

Bench:
PG - Kemba Walker, Muggsy Bogues
SG - Eddie Jones, Dell Curry, Kendall Gill
SF - Mashburn, Gerald Wallace, Stephen Jackson
PF - Emeka Okafor, Anthony Mason
C - Al Jefferson
2467798, New Orleans Pelicans
Posted by McDeezNuts, Fri Jul-24-15 02:12 PM
PG - CP3, Baron Davis
SG - Eric Gordon?
SF - Jamal Mashburn
PF - David West
C - Anthony Davis

I'd probably just start Baron at the 2 over Gordon.
2467874, The pickings of N.O. 2 guards is so slim, it's sad.
Posted by Wonderl33t, Fri Jul-24-15 06:03 PM
Gordon is by far the best. The next best two are probably Morris Peterson and Desmond Mason. Yep, it's that bad.

New Orleans
1 CP3
2 EJ
3 Mash
4 Anthony Davis
5 Tyson Chandler

I put Chandler over Magloire because the Hornets were more successful with Chandler, and Chandler's 3 seasons match or exceed Magloire's prime as a Hornet. Ryan Anderson, for me, would replace Mash with one more good season.

Charlotte
1 Baron Davis
2 Dell Curry
3 Glen Rice
4 LJ
5 Zo

A little positional confusion with Rice and LJ creates a small lineup, but there aren't any 4s that really stand out for me that would push LJ to the 3 and force Rice out. Murda Mase is a consideration for the 4 and putting LJ at 3, but he only played three seasons as a Hornet despite being a high impact guy. And IMO Eddie Jones is the only remote competition for Dell Curry's 2 spot. But he has the same deal as Mase - short term as a Hornet (2 seasons).

Let the record also show that a Charlotte team headlined by Mase and Eddie Jones was a 4 seed in 2000. Paul Silas was a hell of a coach.

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2467881, interesting
Posted by McDeezNuts, Fri Jul-24-15 06:22 PM
>Gordon is by far the best. The next best two are probably
>Morris Peterson and Desmond Mason. Yep, it's that bad.

True

>New Orleans
>1 CP3
>2 EJ
>3 Mash
>4 Anthony Davis
>5 Tyson Chandler
>
>I put Chandler over Magloire because the Hornets were more
>successful with Chandler, and Chandler's 3 seasons match or
>exceed Magloire's prime as a Hornet. Ryan Anderson, for me,
>would replace Mash with one more good season.

Why not put West at the 4 and Anthony Davis at the 5? West was better than Chandler or Magliore, and he played 8 seasons in New Orleans.


>Charlotte
>1 Baron Davis
>2 Dell Curry
>3 Glen Rice
>4 LJ
>5 Zo
>
>A little positional confusion with Rice and LJ creates a small
>lineup, but there aren't any 4s that really stand out for me
>that would push LJ to the 3 and force Rice out. Murda Mase is
>a consideration for the 4 and putting LJ at 3, but he only
>played three seasons as a Hornet despite being a high impact
>guy.

LJ played the 4 during his time in Charlotte. He was short for the position, but incredibly strong and explosive. He had no problems playing the PF spot.

I think Glen Rice should be Charlotte's SF, unless you want to give it to Gerald Wallace just for being there 7 years instead of 3.

I was a big fan of Anthony Mason - a really talented guy who could do a lot of different things - but he's got nothing on a healthy Larry Johnson, who was an absolute beast in Charlotte.

>And IMO Eddie Jones is the only remote competition for
>Dell Curry's 2 spot. But he has the same deal as Mase - short
>term as a Hornet (2 seasons).

Did you rule out Richardson because he was only there 2 years? My rule was to ignore 1-year players, but I figure 2 years is enough if they were good enough (e.g., Mashburn only played 2 years in New Orleans).

Curry is the iconic Charlotte SG, but he wasn't the best player. I've got J-Rich at the 2, followed by Eddie Jones, then Curry. Actually, now that I think about it, skill-wise I'd probably put Kendall Gill over Curry too.

>Let the record also show that a Charlotte team headlined by
>Mase and Eddie Jones was a 4 seed in 2000. Paul Silas was a
>hell of a coach.

He was indeed.
2468200, Yeah, how could I forget West
Posted by Wonderl33t, Mon Jul-27-15 09:44 AM
I would put West in there, no doubt. He was my 2nd favorite after CP3. Definitely 4 West and 5 Davis with Chandler out in that case.

You could certainly put Kendall Gill or Eddie Jones above Curry, especially since Curry was more of a sixth man/3-point specialist. I just favored the longer tenure and the icon status. Richardson was a Bobcat, not a Hornet...I had to look that one up.
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2468061, David Wesley in the muthafuckin house! Said no one. Ever.
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 06:33 PM
2468182, I'd have Rice at the 2. Mash at the 3.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Mon Jul-27-15 12:00 AM
2467885, Charlotte Hornets
Posted by DJR, Fri Jul-24-15 06:32 PM
Baron Davis
Eddie Jones
Glen Rice
Larry Johnson
Alonzo Mourning
2467918, CP3-Baron-LJ-Brow-Zo (second team inside)
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 08:58 PM
Muggsy-EJ-Rice-Ant Mase-Vlade
2468392, I guess David West over Mason. Whatever you like.
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Mon Jul-27-15 11:58 PM
2467734, Chicago Bulls
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:32 PM
2467800, Rose, Jorn, Pip, Rodman, Gasol
Posted by John Forte, Fri Jul-24-15 02:12 PM
2468067, way too soon for gasol
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 06:47 PM
2467801, Rose, Jorn, Pip, Rodman, Gilmore
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 02:14 PM
2467923, RE: Rose, Jorn, Pip, Rodman, Gilmore
Posted by murph71, Fri Jul-24-15 09:13 PM



^^^^^^^Correct answer......
2467925, Rose-Jorn-Pip-Rodman-Gilmore; NVL-Sloan-Gervin-Theus-Grant
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 09:17 PM
Kind of a small bench but fuck it.
2468107, Quentin Dailey
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Sun Jul-26-15 03:38 AM
2468119, I wouldn't put him over Sloan or Van Lier, plus fuck him
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sun Jul-26-15 09:34 AM
Dude was greezy, very likely a rapist, played a once-great hoops program plus had the nerve to cry about the shine Jorn was getting. He was nothing special to me, plus he didn't play there that long. I didn't know he died, that's shitty, he would have been in like his early 50s today.
2467735, Cleveland Cavaliers
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:33 PM
2467824, Mark Price, Ky Dogg, Bron, Hot Rod, Brad Dogg
Posted by Dr Claw, Fri Jul-24-15 03:27 PM
and I could switch Nance out for Hot Rod. Cavs had some great forwards over time (same w/guards)

2467945, when Daugherty was calling ACC games for Raycom -
Posted by cgonz00cc, Fri Jul-24-15 10:43 PM
I really hated him as an announcer. I thought he was really terrible. Plus he was a Cav so he was already in the red with me.

Well I was still a student at the time and he was calling a Tech game. During a TV timeout (very quiet, cuz Tech) i felt possessed to yell "YOU SUCK DAUGHERTY!!" at the top of my lungs. Like 4 sections of fans AND Mike Gminski (his broadcast partner) all started cracking up.

Probably my favorite GT sports memory that didnt involve something between the lines
2468066, Mike Gminski is a cool dude, met him a couple times. Agree on BD
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 06:45 PM
He also does NASCAR commentary which I find off-putting but he seems better there than doing basketball, oddly. Maybe it's just because I don't know dick about NASCAR. His voice is also very annoying.
2468099, I miss his calls. i dont get the ACC regional action up here.
Posted by cgonz00cc, Sun Jul-26-15 12:38 AM
He and Mike Hogewood are as good as it gets in college hoops. Hogewood is kind of a goof in that regional color commentator kind of way, but its endearing from him.

Would have liked to have seen him play. He's a god in the mid Atlantic
2468121, Yeah he was before my time at Duke, saw him some in Philly
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sun Jul-26-15 09:55 AM
Those were my earliest memories of the Sixers, the Barkley days with Gminski, Hawkins, Dawkins, Mahorn, et al. Fun teams, not very good but fun characters and on any given night something would make the game worth watching.
2467904, Price, World B Free, Lebron, Nance, Daugherty
Posted by DJR, Fri Jul-24-15 07:23 PM
2467956, LeBron, LeBron, LeBron, LeBron and Ricky Davis (for levity).
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 01:21 AM
Mark Price-Austin Carr-LeBron-Nance-Daugherty
Kyrie-Ron Harper-Free-Kemp-Tyrone Hill

I mean this is extremely pathetic. They don't have a single player in the HOF. Other than LeBron (and maybe Irving if he holds up) they won't have one either.

I had have a small lineup on the second team and put TYRONE HILL on there. What other choices are there? Cliff Robinson? Mike Mitchell? There are guys like Z and Chones but these are not *all-time* anything. I guess maybe Terrell Brandon would work if they didn't already have two real good point guards, same for Andre Miller but again if he is on your "all-time" squad and you're not the Utes? That's a bad look
2468422, Shaq, Kemp, Marion, Harper, Bron
Posted by TokeNegrOntario, Tue Jul-28-15 06:16 AM
2467736, Dallas Mavericks
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:33 PM
2467959, Somewhat sucky, surprisingly
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 01:34 AM
Nash, Harper, Finley, Aguirre, Dirk

Kidd, Blackman, Jamal Mashburn, Sam Perkins, Tarpley

Harper and Blackman could switch places, but I think a tweaked version of the three-guard lineup with the defensive-minded Harper in for Van Exel works. I kept that big three that never quite won together. I was tempted to put Jim Jackson on the second team the same way but no way should he be there over the five guards listed. They haven't had a lot of good big men. You could Chandler on over Tarpley, but then who would supply the booger sugar?
2468341, Mavericks
Posted by McDeezNuts, Mon Jul-27-15 06:28 PM
The weird thing about the Mavs is that 3 of their 4 best players were all primarily small forwards: Aguirre, Finley, and Mashburn (Dirk is the 4th).

I'd want all three of those guys to start. Finley played some 2-guard, so I put him there. It's a tossup whether you put Mash or Aguirre at the 4 - Mashburn was bigger, but Aguirre rebounded better, so I gave him the nod.

Hard to leave Jackson off the 1st team but there's just no room.

PG- Nash
SG- Finley
SF- Mashburn
PF- Aguirre
C- Nowitzki

Bench
PG- Kidd, Harper
SG- Blackman, Terry
SF- Jackson (really more of a SG, but the SFs are all on the 1st team)
PF- Tarpley, Perkins
C- Chandler

Not really many big guys of note.
2468342, Admittedly that 1st team isn't great defensively
Posted by McDeezNuts, Mon Jul-27-15 06:40 PM
No rim protector and Nash at the point...

But with Nash running the offense, and everyone on the team a highly capable scorer (from any range), they could put up a ton of points.
2468507, Wow......good point, I swear they've had good teams since forever
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Jul-28-15 11:28 AM
but their all time team does look heeeeeeeeeeella average. Mainly bc no strong Center and SG's are all blah.
2467738, Denver Nuggets
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:33 PM
2467921, Surprisingly an interesting one
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 09:10 PM
I hate to leave out guys like TR Dunn and Mahmoud Abdul Rauf but here goes:

Iverson
English
Thompson
Issel
Deke

Fat Lever
Bobby Jones
Melo
Dyess
Byron Beck
2468054, Lever, Thompson, English, Melo, Issel
Posted by DJR, Sat Jul-25-15 05:26 PM
2467739, Detroit Pistons
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:33 PM
2467766, RE: Detroit Pistons
Posted by guru0509, Fri Jul-24-15 01:47 PM
pistons tho

pg - zeke
sg - allan houston (only to avoid an all bad boys team)
sf - rodman or grant hill...im having a tough time w this one.
pf - ben wallace
center - shit..laimbeer i guess. we havent really had any elite centers, ever.
2467773, Zeke, Dumars, Hill, Lanier, Wallace
Posted by cgonz00cc, Fri Jul-24-15 01:53 PM
Laimbeer arguments will be genuinely considered
2467779, Zeke, Stackhouse, Grant Hill, Sheed, Ben Wallace
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:56 PM
2467818, Pistons
Posted by McDeezNuts, Fri Jul-24-15 03:15 PM
The first three spots are obvious:

PG - Isiah Thomas
SG - Jerry Stackhouse (I like Dumars, but come on)
SF - Grant Hill

I'm torn over Rodman, Rasheed Wallace, and Ben Wallace for the other two spots.

Given spots 1-3, you don't really need much more scoring, and Rodman and Ben Wallace would be a monstrous rebounding and defending combo...

But it's always nice to have a post scorer and I do love Sheed.

It hurts me to leave out Rodman, but pairing him with Sheed leaves the team a little too small, so I guess I'd have to go with Sheed and Ben.

PF - Rasheed Wallace
C - Ben Wallace

Disclaimer: Lanier and Bing were before my time.
2467833, Stack is no higher than 4th
Posted by cgonz00cc, Fri Jul-24-15 03:48 PM
Behind Dumars, Bing, and Rip
2467871, What's your knock on Stack - low FG%? No titles/deep playoff runs?
Posted by McDeezNuts, Fri Jul-24-15 05:27 PM
>Behind Dumars, Bing, and Rip

I think Stackhouse at his best was a better player than Dumars and Rip. He was less efficient, but there wasn't really anyone else on those Pistons teams besides Stack and Hill. He averaged 30 PPG and was an MVP candidate in 2001.

I could see giving Dumars the nod for his superior defense (while also being a great offensive player), but Stack was a better scorer.

I like Rip - he was a consistent and efficient player, but I don't see putting him above Stackhouse.

For Detroit SGs, I've got:
1) Stackhouse
2) Dumars
3) Hamilton

I have no knock on Bing, he was just before my time.
2467875, i think you actually brought me around over rip at least
Posted by cgonz00cc, Fri Jul-24-15 06:05 PM
No way over Dumars tho

So leaving out bing i got joe, stack, then rip

Joe D's all around game was too good
2467882, Cool
Posted by McDeezNuts, Fri Jul-24-15 06:26 PM
I can see Dumars over Stack - both great players
2467948, his lack of a deep run is a glaring deficit tho
Posted by cgonz00cc, Fri Jul-24-15 10:55 PM
They were good enough to get out of the 1st round in 99 and he was terrible against the hawks

And the 2002 celtics were nothing special either

An ECF run would make.me see him differently
2467974, Dumars over Stack in a laugher, consummate team guy vs 'get mine'
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 08:22 AM
I agree with CGonz that I'd have Dave Bing, Joe Dumars AND Rip ahead of Stack. How could one not put rip ahead of him when the two players were traded for each other, instantly improving the team? Bing was the face of their franchise for years (B-b-b-bennie and the Jets) and Dumars was their defensive stopper as well as a valuable offensive contributor during the Bad Boys years. Players from the NBA's golden age respect the hell out of Dumars. Nobody goes out of their way to tell you how hard Stackhouse was to play against.
2468003, in fairness, looking back Stack was given too much burden
Posted by cgonz00cc, Sat Jul-25-15 11:47 AM
His teammates at the start of the Goin To Work era were extremely offensively challenged

Uncle Cliffy and Big Nasty were the next biggest scoring threats

Still good enough to have beaten the 02 Celtics tho, and thats a black mark.

Now im waffling lol
2468005, Let's face facts, he was kinda wack
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 12:25 PM
That kind of mix of inefficiency and lack of volume is hard to match in his era or anywhere close to it. He had one "real big" scoring season and the rest of his career was high teens/low 20s averages on shitty shooting. He went to two all-star games. His career is pretty forgettable.
2468098, i cant really say that. he carried a division winner offensively.
Posted by cgonz00cc, Sun Jul-26-15 12:23 AM
They may have meekly bowed out in the 2nd round but Detroit Stack was the best Stack, and he made it work with Michael Curry and early Ben Wallace in the starting lineup.

The Rip trade was as much about age as anything else imo. It worked out really well but the Pistons upgraded big time at the point that offseason too.

However, feel free to roast him for 99. He played like shit .
2468100, I dunno I felt like Rip was a more efficient player and a better fit
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sun Jul-26-15 01:03 AM
Stackhouse had a stretch of memorable seasons but overall I am just not feeling his career that much. And here the Pistons have a lot of good shooting guards, the three we both had ahead of him plus Yardley. I never saw him play but he was one of the game's first big stars. Of course on the wing they had good players like Adrian Dantley and Mark Aguirre who I think haven't even been mentioned yet.
2467869, RE: Detroit Pistons
Posted by JBoogs, Fri Jul-24-15 05:22 PM
zeke
j dumars
grant hill
rodman
big ben

***************
I've traveled far and wide through many different times...
2467916, Zeke-Dumars-Bing-Debusschere-Wallace (2nd team inside)
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 08:54 PM
Second team
Billups-Yardley-Hill-Rodman-Lanier
2467944, chauncey is absolutely my 6th man
Posted by cgonz00cc, Fri Jul-24-15 10:38 PM
My other 4 on the bench would be laim, sheed, bing, and rodman

Dont know enough about the old dudes and bing is a 2 in my lineup

I wish i had a spot for microwave
2468055, Isiah, Bing, Hill, B. Wallace, Lanier
Posted by DJR, Sat Jul-25-15 05:31 PM
2467740, Golden State Warriors (and old school Philadelphia Warriors)
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:34 PM
2467762, RE: Golden State Warriors (and old school Philadelphia Warriors)
Posted by mrhood75, Fri Jul-24-15 01:43 PM
C - Wilt Chamberlain
F - Rick Barry
F - Chris Mullin
G - Tim Hardaway
G - Steph Curry
2468106, Nate Thurmond at Center
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Sun Jul-26-15 03:37 AM
2467764, UTEP 2 Step, Steph, Mullin, Webber, Wilt
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:46 PM
2467789, 1. Webber was only the team for a year. 2. Barry has gotta be on there
Posted by mrhood75, Fri Jul-24-15 02:05 PM
2467794, He had a good ass year though! And iite Barry can hop in
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 02:08 PM
2467832, curry/baron/barry/mully/wilt
Posted by sndesai1, Fri Jul-24-15 03:46 PM
2467917, Curry-Sprewell-Barry-Thurmond-Wilt Chamberlain (2nd team inside)
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 08:57 PM
Went real big on the first team so going small on the second team. RUN TMC with Paul Arizin and Tom Gola.
2467741, Houston Rockets
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:34 PM
2467808, Calvin Murphy, Harden, T-Mac, Dream, Moses Malone
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 02:31 PM
(SHIT they got a squad, bench with Yao, Elvin Hayes, Ralph Sampson, Franchise, etc etc)
2467928, Murphy-TMac-Hakeem-Moses-Sampson (second team inside)
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 09:21 PM
Fuck it, TRIPLET TOWERS!

Second team is a hard one I don't know I guess Francis-Pippen-Barkley-Elvin Hayes and Yao. Going big with both lineups.
2467985, 1st team: Moses, Dream, Ralph, Beard, Calvin Murphy
Posted by Binlahab, Sat Jul-25-15 09:14 AM
2nd Team: Yao, Big Elvin Hayes, Rudy T, T-Mac, Kenny Smith


does it really matter?

wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg
2467987, Oh we're doing Beard already? D12?
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 09:21 AM
I dunno I guess Beard over Francis then. We'll see about Howard.
2468111, 3rd string:
Posted by Binlahab, Sun Jul-26-15 07:15 AM
PG: John Lucas
SG: Franchise
SF: mike newlin
PF: big shot rob horry as the prototypical stretch 4
C: DHo



wonder what bin's doing?
http://i.imgur.com/phECCMp.jpg
2467742, Indiana Pacers
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:35 PM
2467807, Mark Jackson, Reggie Miller, Chuck Person, Jermaine O'Neal, Rik Smits
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 02:27 PM
2467924, Astonishingly difficult one
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 09:17 PM
First team:

Mark Jackson
Reggie Miller
Billy Knight
George McGinnis
Rik Smits

Bench: (not exactly a second team because fuck if I am putting Vern Fleming on here over DOCTOR DUNK!).
Paul George
Chuck Person
Mel Daniels
Jermaine O'Neal
Darnell Hillman

I guess Vern Fleming and Detlef Schrempf would be there, too. Maybe Schrempf over Person, I don't know, I am caring less by the second here.
2467743, Los Angeles Clippers/Buffalo Braves
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:35 PM
2467799, CP3, Ron Harper, Danny Manning, Blake, Brand
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 02:12 PM
2467903, CP3, Randy Smith, Griffin, Brand, McAdoo
Posted by DJR, Fri Jul-24-15 07:19 PM
.
2467930, Are they even a real NBA franchise?
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 09:26 PM
OK fine I will play along

CP3-Ron Harper-Randy Smith-McAdoo-Blake

Lloyd Free-Bob Kaufman-Danny Manning-Elton Brand-Bill Walton

If I had to pick a real point guard, fuck it, I choose Ernie D.

What a sorry ass franchise lol.
2467932, CP3, Redick, Barnes, Blake, DJ
Posted by MothershipConnection, Fri Jul-24-15 09:30 PM
OK put prime Brand and prime Ron Harper off the bench and now that's a squad that can get out of the second round.
2468508, In a regular season, yeah. In an all time league....nawllll
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Tue Jul-28-15 11:29 AM
2467744, Los Angeles Lakers (Minneapolis)
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:36 PM
2467796, Magic, Kobe, Baylor, Kareem, Shaq
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 02:10 PM
I think Worthy a better good luck charm than Baylor, though. Jerry West would be sixth man
2467935, Magic-West-Baylor-Cap-Wilt
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 09:38 PM
Goodrich-Kobe-Worthy-Mikan-Shaq
2468211, Magic, Kobe, Jamaal Wilkes, Worthy, and Kareem
Posted by Creole, Mon Jul-27-15 10:22 AM
2467745, Memphis Grizzlies (Vancouver)
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:36 PM
2467806, Bibby, Mayo, Abdur-Rahim, Pau, Marc
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 02:24 PM
2467933, Conley-JWill-Battier-Gasol-Gasol; Bibby-Dickerson-Miller-Reef-ZBO
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 09:31 PM
I guess, I mean honestly I am slightly embarrassed to even be looking at their second team.
2467746, Miami Heat
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:37 PM
2467763, UTEP 2-Step, Wade, Bron, Bosh, and Zo
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:44 PM
(SHIT that's a squad) Rice off the bench!
2467811, Zo over Shaq? Nah.
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Jul-24-15 02:40 PM
2467815, Ehhhh yea, he played 11 years, primin, versus Shaq playing 4
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 02:55 PM
Zo's defense >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Shaq's. Shaq did bring them that first title, but when I think of Shaq, I think Lakers, then Orlando, then Heat. Zo just pops up in my head first as the Heat's Center.
2468063, I think you're overthinking it.
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 06:36 PM
2468648, nah he's right.
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Tue Jul-28-15 05:08 PM
2467931, T Bug-Wade-Bron-Bosh-Diesel; Steve Smith-EJ-Rice-Mason-Zo
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 09:29 PM
You could move Zo to the four and put Seikaly in there. Whatever.
2468199, Hardaway, Wade, LeBron, UD*, Shaq
Posted by placee_22, Mon Jul-27-15 09:32 AM
* Just kidding ...Bosh
2467747, Milwaukee Bucks
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:37 PM
2467898, Oscar, Moncrief, M. Johnson, Cummings, Kareem
Posted by DJR, Fri Jul-24-15 07:09 PM
.
2467937, Oscar-Ray Ray-Bobby Dandridge-Bob Lanier-Jabbar
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 09:44 PM
Second team I guess Alvin Robertson (or Cassell, whatever)-Moncrief-Marques Johnson-Terry Cummings-Jack Sikma.

Shout out to the Big Slob Glenn Robinson.
2467748, Minnesota Timberwolves
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:37 PM
2467777, Healthy Terrell Brandon, Doug West, Googs, KG, Rasho Nesterovic
Posted by Marauder21, Fri Jul-24-15 01:55 PM
Not kidding
2467781, Whoaaa I forgot about Doug West
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:57 PM
2467783, Cassell, JR Rider, Tony Campbell, KG, Love
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 02:00 PM
Wiggins taking Campbell spot soon
2467809, Hmmm, only one I've really got an issue with is JR*
Posted by Marauder21, Fri Jul-24-15 02:36 PM
Because I agree with you on Wiggins eventually taking that position in a few years (though Tom Gugliotta should have a spot, first all star in team history.)

Cassell was only on the team for two seasons, but his first season was probably the best single season by a Wolves PG ever, so it's tough to argue with that. Also thought about putting Love and KG both on there as bigs, but decided to go with an actual center instead (and I legitimately couldn't think of a better true center in franchise history than Nesterovic, unless Al Jefferson counts.)


*Though that '94 dunk contest is still a top 5 moment in Wolves history, so even that's understandable.
2467812, Yea I think JR is just ingrained in my mind when I think of the 90's Wolves
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 02:52 PM
ESPECIALLY pre-KG, he was basically the only reason I would even watch them play.

Cassell lead them further than anyone else did, since KG was there the whole time and never got that far. He definitely made a difference for those years.
2467940, Who knows? Who cares? A stab, I guess
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 09:52 PM
Terrell Brandon
Doug West
Wiggins (c) TOKPR b/w CROWN HIS ASS! (c) Dennis Green
Kevin Garnett
Al Jefferson

Steph
Cassell
Wally's World
Googs
Joe Smith

Shout out to JR Rider and Pooh Richardson tho.

2467953, Forgot about Love, I guess he goes on over Googs or Smith
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 12:59 AM
Take your pick. I loved Smith's defensive intensity.
2467749, New York Knickerbockers
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:38 PM
2467774, Frazier, Pearl, King, Melo, Ewing
Posted by John Forte, Fri Jul-24-15 01:53 PM
2467941, Difficult one
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 09:57 PM
Laser
Pearl
B King
Debusschere
Ewing

Going big with the bench

Michael Ray Richardson
Sprewell
Bellamy
McAdoo
Reed
2467975, Maybe I'd go Melo over McAdoo, didn't realize McAdoo played so little
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 08:25 AM
in NYK. I guess we will see how Melo fares in his return. Shout out to Bill Bradley, Dick Barnett, Allan Houston and John Starks
2468534, Frazier, Monroe, Melo, Reed, Ewing
Posted by jrocc, Tue Jul-28-15 12:35 PM
2467750, Oklahoma City Thunder/Seattle Supersonics
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:38 PM
2467778, Glove, Westbrook, KD, Kemp, Haywood
Posted by John Forte, Fri Jul-24-15 01:55 PM
2467899, That's pretty much locked up
Posted by GOMEZ, Fri Jul-24-15 07:13 PM
i wanted to find a spot for Tom Chambers or Jack Sikma, but couldn't do it.

2 dudes who were close to making the cut - Lenny Wilkens (only 4 seasons but he was 19/9/5) and Dale Ellis (was averaging 25 or 26 a game in his first 4 year run in Seattle).

They're not knocking anyone off that list, though.
2467961, GP/Dennis Johnson/Ray Allen/KD/Haywood (2nd/3rd team inside)
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 01:50 AM
Gus Williams/Lenny Wilkens/Russy/Kemp/Sikma

I think on this one I'd even be clear on a third team of Watts/Ellis/XMan/Chambers/Bob Rule

2468118, I guess I'd have Harden over Watts on the third team
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sun Jul-26-15 09:30 AM
Hard to put him there the way he kinda bounced on them but yeah he was a better player. Would not be first or second team though.
2467751, Orlando Magic
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:38 PM
2467805, Penny, Franchise, T-Mac, Dwight, Shaq
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 02:21 PM
2467957, Easiest one of all: Penny, TMac, Hedo Dwight, Shaq
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 01:24 AM
Who cares about their second team. I think that first team is pretty much indisputable. No disrespect to Lewis or Scott or Miller but Hedo was their best three man and the other four are mortal locks.
2468072, Penny, Anderson, McGrady, Howard, Shaq
Posted by DJR, Sat Jul-25-15 07:30 PM
2468197, Penny, T-Mac, 3-D, Dwight, Shaq
Posted by placee_22, Mon Jul-27-15 09:28 AM
2467752, Philadelphia 76ers
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:38 PM
2467782, Cheeks, GOAT, Doc, Chuck, Moses
Posted by John Forte, Fri Jul-24-15 01:58 PM
2467831, that's some good ol small ball right there
Posted by bezel021, Fri Jul-24-15 03:43 PM
2468202, Meh, no team with Moses is playing small ball.
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Mon Jul-27-15 09:50 AM
Backcourt is a little undersized because if Iverson but Cheeks in the Eric Snow role seems very feasible. Barkley was short but he played huge. Erving was a very good rebounder and defender at the three.
2467837, RE: Cheeks, GOAT, Doc, Chuck, Moses
Posted by Government Name, Fri Jul-24-15 03:55 PM
hard to argue with this. altho Wilt should start somehow too. maybe slide AI to PG and force the Doc to play the 2?
2467868, Weird that I only think of Wilt as a Warrior or Laker?
Posted by John Forte, Fri Jul-24-15 05:14 PM
2467939, Yes. Very. His best seasons were as a Sixer
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 09:47 PM
Yes his 61-62 season with the Warriors was a vulgar display of statistical power but his winningest, most complete and frankly his best seasons were with the Sixers.
2467936, AI-Greer-Dr J-Barkley-Wilt
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 09:40 PM
Mo Cheeks-Bobby Jones-Billy C-Dolph Schayes-Moses Malone

If I had to add two guys for a 12-man roster they would be Chet Walker and George McGinnis. Fifteen then give me Doug Collins, Luke Jackson and Andrew Toney please.
2467753, Phoenix Suns
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:39 PM
2467889, RE: Phoenix Suns
Posted by DJR, Fri Jul-24-15 06:51 PM
Steve Nash
Paul Westphal
Walter Davis
Charles Barkley
Amare Stoudamire

* I like Kidd over Nash as an all time NBA PG, but as a "better Sun" I gotta go Nash. Really torn leaving KJ off too.
2467976, This is another really tough one
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 08:31 AM
Fuck it, I am going small here. ONCE YOU POP, YOU CAN'T STOP. Listed in order (first team and then second):

G Nash, KJ, Steph, Westphal (Kidd can't be on every damn team he played for lol).
F Barkley, Connie Hawkins, Charlie Scott, Walter Davis (shout out to Shawn Marion).
C Amare, Tom Chambers (shout out to Alvan Adams).
2467754, Portland Trailblazers
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:39 PM
2467769, Lillard, The Glide, Lucas, Sheed, Walton
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:48 PM
2467946, lil dawg over porter eh?
Posted by cgonz00cc, Fri Jul-24-15 10:44 PM
2467952, Yupp!!! And I feel Lillard is still getting better
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 11:54 PM
2467958, To me the spot is up for grabs, Porter was a fine player but ...
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 01:25 AM
Lillard has a good opportunity to pass him. Too young for me to list here though.
2467934, Tough one
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 09:36 PM
Terry Porter
Drexler
Sheed
Lucas
Walton

Jim Paxson
Petrie
Natt
Buck Williams
Wicks

How badly do I want to boot someone for SABONIS here. Honestly Steve Smith and Pippen would be upgrade over the two point guards. This team has a lot of great players but really isn't conducive to this exercise. Jerome Kersey vs Calvin Natt is a big toss-up.
2467755, Sacramento Kings
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:39 PM
2467810, Does their KC/Cincy/Rochester history count?
Posted by Marauder21, Fri Jul-24-15 02:38 PM
Because it's the difference between having Oscar Robertson on your squad vs Doug Christie.
2467813, Yep they would all count
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 02:53 PM
2467817, Tiny/Oscar/Mitch/Webb/Boogie
Posted by stankpalmer, Fri Jul-24-15 03:12 PM
2467973, Hard one because of the Royals
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 08:19 AM
Oscar and Tiny in an ILL combo backcourt for sure. I'll go Jack Twyman at the 3 and Jerry Lucas at the four and Maurice Stokes at the five.

Second team I'd go big with Richmond, Peja, CWebb, Sam Lacey and Vlade. Shout out to Rush Street Reggie Theus, Mike Bibby n them.



2467756, San Antonio Spurs
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:39 PM
2467891, Top 5 Tony/ Ice Man/ Kawhi/ Duncan/ Admiral with Ginobli the 6th man
Posted by Mignight Maruder, Fri Jul-24-15 06:55 PM
2467938, T5T-Manu-Iceman-Duncan-Robinson (2nd team inside)
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-24-15 09:46 PM
Johnny Moore-Kawhi-Dave Kenon-Manny Leaks-Artis Gilmore
2467758, Toronto Raptors
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:39 PM
2467981, sigh
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 08:54 AM
First Team: Mighty Mouse, VC, Derozan, Bosh, Valanciunas

Second Team: Kyle Lowry, fetus of TMac, Mo Pete, JYD, Oliver Miller (in case a pancake-eating contest breaks out).
2467759, Utah Jazz
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:40 PM
2467803, Stockton, Pistol Pete, Dantley, Malone, Al Jefferson
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 02:19 PM
2467977, Stockton/Pistol Pete/Dantley/Mailman/Eaton
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 08:44 AM
The second team would basically be their recent good team (Deron, AK47, Booze, Okur) with like Jeff Malone or Hornacek or Darrell Griffith or some other resolution of an irrelevant toss-up. Thank God these guys had Stockton and Malone lol.
2467760, Washington Wizards/Bullets
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:40 PM
2467942, Unseld, Hayes, Gus Johnson, Arenas, Wall
Posted by Call It Anything, Fri Jul-24-15 10:05 PM
Walt Bellamy and Earl Monroe were strongly considered.

Basically, Unseld and Hayes are unimpeachable. After that, I think there is a lot of room for discussion.
2468070, Mang Earl the Pearl spray farts in Hibachi and Wall's dinners.
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 07:04 PM
2468073, But he only had 4 seasons in Baltimore v. 9 as a Knick
Posted by Call It Anything, Sat Jul-25-15 07:39 PM
I dock him significantly for being better remembered on another team. Like you said, the franchise is made up of a lot of guys who had good short runs with the team but are best remembered elsewhere. His tenure with the Bullets is already fewer games than Wall's to date. If you are using "Who was the most talented player", then he's certainly going to get the nod. In making my list, I tried to use guys that I would think of as Bullets/Wizards, rather than necessarily the best players that played for the franchise.

But Wall already has more assists than any guard in franchise history. He's made as many All-Star Games as any PG except Don Ohl. He's won a couple of playoff series. I'm certainly crediting him for some expected future returns, but I think he's defensible within the criteria.
2468101, As an *individual* they were his best and most entertaining seasons tho
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sun Jul-26-15 01:06 AM
Not for nothing but Holzman neutered him. The Knicks were better off for having him for sure but I think the game as a whole would have been better off had he stayed in Baltimore. And his tenure there left an indelible mark, one that remains to be seen from Wall and wasn't seen from Arenas, who was very, very good there and won some games.
2467960, They had some great players who only played there very briefly
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 01:44 AM
Hibachi-Earl Monroe-Bernard King-Hayes-Unseld
Strickland-Jeff Malone-Gus Johnson-CWebb-Ruland


I want to put Gus Williams there but his tenure was short there. Same thing with Bob Dandridge. Same deal with Moses Malone and Walt Bellamy. Ditto for Mitch Richmond even. I tried to go with guys who played four seasons (or parts thereof) or more. It was not super easy. Shout out to Antawn Jamison.
2468080, Jeff Malone is #2 in scoring in franchise history
Posted by grandmasterfletch, Sat Jul-25-15 09:11 PM
has to be included. Unseld, Hayes, Gus Johnson, Gilbert, Jeff Malone
2467765, 5 players...30 teams...50 regular posters = post going diamond
Posted by guru0509, Fri Jul-24-15 01:47 PM
lol
2467767, This might help
Posted by McDeezNuts, Fri Jul-24-15 01:48 PM
http://sportslistoftheday.com/2013/02/23/nba-every-teams-all-time-roster-and-career-statistics/
2467775, I'm already laughing at Sheed playing one game as a Hawk
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Fri Jul-24-15 01:54 PM
2468052, Seattle Supersonics (OKC CAN EAT ALL THE DICKS).
Posted by PROMO, Sat Jul-25-15 05:11 PM
the Sonics should never be combined w/ OKC. two different clubs.

PG - Gary Payton
SG - Dale Ellis
C - Jack Sikma
PF - Shawn Kemp
SF - Detlef Schrempf

2468058, You like Sikma over Haywood? I never saw Haywood play but...
Posted by GOMEZ, Sat Jul-25-15 06:08 PM
Going by the numbers he seems better. Sikma was pretty dope though. Also if do what I could to bump Detlef. Dude just made me mad by the end of his run in Seattle. I'd roll with McKey out of spite.
2468062, Fuck with Bob Rule, son! hahahaha
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 06:35 PM
Nah but dude was pretty ill.

Haywood was the biggest "wow" factor star of the three, Sikma was the steadiest, Rule was kind of between the two. Haywood was also not a center, so there's that, though obviously we are playing guys out of position. The other two guys were true fives.
2468095, Good points... i didn't realize Haywood was a 6'8" PF
Posted by GOMEZ, Sat Jul-25-15 10:59 PM
I just knew he was a big. Sikma was dope in Seattle, and a true Center. Guy was among the league leaders in FT% as a C too, which is pretty useful. I remember yelling for him and Gus Williams, and calling Kareem a baby when i was just a pup.

2468102, Gus Williams was a helluva player, very overlooked/underrated
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sun Jul-26-15 01:07 AM
He was good with the Bullets, too. Tough-ass player.
2468074, Derrick McKey was the most uneven player ever.
Posted by PROMO, Sat Jul-25-15 07:50 PM
I thought it was hilarious when we drafted Jeff Green because I'm like "uh, we USED to have Jeff Green back in the day except they called him Derrick McKey."
2468075, yeah, pretty similar. to me he misses the cut here and in indiana
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jul-25-15 08:07 PM
but i did think about him for a moment putting both teams together
2468105, got to put Gus Williams or DJ at the other guard spot
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Sun Jul-26-15 03:36 AM
you can slide Dale down to the SF
2468178, And if you put 3D at the SF spot, i never have to see Detlef
Posted by GOMEZ, Sun Jul-26-15 10:46 PM
2468186, yeah i dont think detlef belongs on the sonics or mavs teams
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Mon Jul-27-15 01:25 AM
maybe the pacers. i really like schrempf but as all-time great, ehhhh