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2462096, FAGENCY 15...Part Deux...for my posting from my mobile dudes
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Jul-02-15 06:44 AM
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2462097, Ramona Shelbourne saying Afflalo to the Knicks
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Jul-02-15 06:48 AM
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2462098, 2/16 with player option year 2
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Thu Jul-02-15 06:51 AM
not a bad value for AA at all.
2462099, someone besides Melo...
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Jul-02-15 06:53 AM
who can "score the basketball" (c)Hubie Brown
2462100, RE: 2/16 with player option year 2
Posted by murph71, Thu Jul-02-15 06:59 AM
>not a bad value for AA at all.

Yep....That's a good financial deal for the Knicks....
2462123, that's not bad at all. a smart move from the Knicks
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Jul-02-15 08:33 AM
2462128, That's one of the best value moves I remember the Knicks in making in yrs
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Thu Jul-02-15 08:42 AM
2462131, 8 million for only two years. I am happy.
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jul-02-15 08:52 AM
A good way to start my morning. Now I'm curious how the Knicks will spend the rest of their money.
2462135, Great value
Posted by LA2Philly, Thu Jul-02-15 09:02 AM
Established 3 and D player for only 8 mill and only 2 years? Tremendous
2462104, Good signing....
Posted by gmltheone, Thu Jul-02-15 07:31 AM
Not bad. Lock up Monroe, and they could be in the 7-9 mix in the east.


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Same as it ever was!
2462112, damn, so adding Aflallo and Monroe MIGHT...
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Jul-02-15 08:09 AM
get you a first round exit at the hands of Cleveland?
2462145, It's sellable though...
Posted by gmltheone, Thu Jul-02-15 09:23 AM
>get you a first round exit at the hands of Cleveland?

You can sell that and the NYC glitz to the 2016 FA class. As long as Melo is on the roster that is what it is.


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Same as it ever was!
2462149, sheeeit, they'd still have a lot of parts to fill out but who in the east
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 09:26 AM
boasts a better 1,2 than Melo/Monroe besides Cleveland?

If the knicks do land Monroe and fill out the rest of the lineup decently with defenders/rebounders, a squeak into the playoffs season would be a huge disappointment.
2462121, nice, much better than the 3yrs 39 milly.
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 08:32 AM
i'm shocked he didnt get a better deal...unless he really wanted to rejoin melo.
2462169, LMAO!!!!
Posted by Basaglia, Thu Jul-02-15 09:57 AM
2462101, Singler staying with the Thunder...5/25
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Jul-02-15 07:11 AM
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2462102, Milsap staying with Atlanta, 3/$59
Posted by B9, Thu Jul-02-15 07:22 AM
Player option third year.
2462103, The process has been trusted. Asset lyfe.
Posted by bshelly, Thu Jul-02-15 07:23 AM
http://nba.derekbodner.com/2015/07/02/sixers-acquire-nik-stauskas-1st-round-pick-from-kings/
2462106, Holy shit!!!
Posted by gmltheone, Thu Jul-02-15 07:58 AM
Sixers Get

- Nik Stauskas
- Carl Landry
- Jason Thompson
- 2018 1st round pick (top-10 protected)
- Right to swap 1st rd pick w/Kings in '16
- Right to swap 1st rd pick w/Kings in '17

Kings Get

- Rights to Arturas Gudaitis (47th pick in 2015)
- Rights to Luka Mitrovic (60th pick in 2015)

For an opportunity to add Wes Matthews or Monta Ellis. Both of whom might sign somewhere else.

I can imagine the offers they'll get for boogie now. LOL Bag of doritos for Boogie and all your first round picks.
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Same as it ever was!
2462109, and not even Spicy Nacho or Cool Ranch or no shit like that...
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Jul-02-15 08:00 AM
STRAIGHT NACHO FLAVOR, BITCH.
2462111, Wait...how does that work?
Posted by auragin_boi, Thu Jul-02-15 08:05 AM
Per RealGM:

2016 first round draft pick from Sacramento
Sacramento's 1st round pick to Chicago (via Cleveland) protected for selections 1-10 in 2016 and 1-10 in 2017; if Sacramento has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Chicago by 2017, then Sacramento will instead convey its 2017 2nd round pick to Chicago protected for selections 56-60 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Sacramento's obligation to Chicago will be extinguished)

Soooo...if Sac ends up top 10, Philly can swap if they somehow do better than the Kings (LOL) next season? But if it's outside the top 10, it goes to the Bulls, so unless the Sixers land late lottery or make the playoffs...that 2016 pick swap is crap.
2462115, if they win the lottery, WE win the lottery.
Posted by bshelly, Thu Jul-02-15 08:20 AM
If they're ahead of us, we swap.

So if they end up in the top three and we don't, we take their pick.

HINKIE BITCH
2462120, When was the last time the sixers did better than the kings
Posted by auragin_boi, Thu Jul-02-15 08:29 AM
in the regular season?

And if Sac is clearing cap to sign Rondo and Wesley (or a combo of upgrades) what makes you think Wroten, Jalil, Noel and Embiid(?) gonna perform better?

Hinkie is netting assets for a major trade and/or for the picks to pop off. He don't care about winning THIS season. Maybe next year.

Rondo
B-Mac/Wesley
Gay (ugh)
WCS
Cousins

^^^That team would out pace the sixers and probably end up late lottery if they didn't make the lower tier seeds in the West (Portland is gonna fall off, Dal might if they don't get at least 2 significant FA's to replace Tyson and Monta so a couple of slots might open up).
2462129, Shhhhh....don't spoil #TheProphecy
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Thu Jul-02-15 08:42 AM
2462130, Of course they're likely to be better this year. Not the point is.
Posted by bshelly, Thu Jul-02-15 08:48 AM
The point is, they no longer even have the chance of getting lucky from, say, the mid to late lottery. Because if they jump up into the top 3, we will likely take their pick.

Let alone that in two years, we'll be better than them.

Let alone, they also threw in a first round pick.

Let alone, they also threw in last year's number 8 pick.

#process
2462138, Oh I see it...and I was all aboard until he traded MCW
Posted by auragin_boi, Thu Jul-02-15 09:08 AM
And in the long run, that might work out better for them but I'm just saying...the Kings are trying to get OUT of the top 10. I think next year they have a good shot at it.

After 2016 though...not sure what they'll be/look like.

Personally, I think the Bulls will get their pick next summer and it'll be 10-16 range.

You guys can drain them after that.
2462148, N/M
Posted by gmltheone, Thu Jul-02-15 09:25 AM
You got it. LOL
2462124, whoa... Hinkie went from 'eating da poo poo' to 'poo poo eats you'
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Jul-02-15 08:33 AM
>Sixers Get
>
>- Nik Stauskas
>- Carl Landry
>- Jason Thompson
>- 2018 1st round pick (top-10 protected)
>- Right to swap 1st rd pick w/Kings in '16
>- Right to swap 1st rd pick w/Kings in '17
>
>Kings Get
>
>- Rights to Arturas Gudaitis (47th pick in 2015)
>- Rights to Luka Mitrovic (60th pick in 2015)
>
>For an opportunity to add Wes Matthews or Monta Ellis. Both
>of whom might sign somewhere else.
>
>I can imagine the offers they'll get for boogie now. LOL Bag
>of doritos for Boogie and all your first round picks.
>----------------------------
>Same as it ever was!
2462246, So by the time Nerlens leaves, Philly can draft a replacement
Posted by ErnestLee, Thu Jul-02-15 11:31 AM
#theneverendingtank
2462107, Wait, Philly has the right to swap two first rounders?
Posted by Marauder21, Thu Jul-02-15 07:59 AM
This could really bite Sacto in the ass.
2462116, *sips Venti*
Posted by bshelly, Thu Jul-02-15 08:21 AM
2462132, This is especially dumb of Vlade when looking at how stacked the west is
Posted by rjc27, Thu Jul-02-15 08:52 AM
Monta/Rondo can both sign and they'd still probably end up in the lotto
2462162, vlade's a dummy
Posted by sndesai1, Thu Jul-02-15 09:48 AM
wasn't there some article about how other teams are getting frustrated talking to him because he doesn't have any understanding of contracts, salary caps, and what is allowed in trades...lol
2462133, 3yrs 32 million is what's going around for Monta?
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 08:54 AM
please feel do this...assuming we have enough left for Monroe's max of around 15-16 mill.

He'd be great in the triangle...makes Calderon bum ass even more expendable.
2462134, Plus it keeps him away from the Pacers.
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jul-02-15 09:00 AM
$12 mil for him and $7+ locked up in Calderon is a lot at the point guard position, but I'd go for it. He'd definitely take a ton of pressure off Carmelo in terms of scoring, triangle or no triangle.
2462142, yeah i was never a fan of Calderon in the 1`st place.
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 09:14 AM
Especially seeing Chandler get the contract he just did, there def was a bigger market for trading chandler than getting calderon wack ass and his contract. If it wasn't for calderon, i think feel would put together a more attractive offer for Monta.

I think he's worth 12-13 a year, especially in an offense that doesn't need a traditional pg.

2462137, Basically
Posted by RexLongfellow, Thu Jul-02-15 09:04 AM
If Matthews costs MORE than that, just take Monta, put him with Monroe and Afflalo.

That's at the least a RESPECTABLE starting core.
2462140, Wait sooo....
Posted by auragin_boi, Thu Jul-02-15 09:13 AM
Calderon
Monta (or Wesley)
Melo
Dat Zingis
Monroe

^^^???

Ya'll will score 102 every game and give up 115 every other night.

Yeesh.

I guess 41-41 would get ya'll in the playoffs.

*shrug*
2462143, for starters, i don't think Zingis will be starting. You still have the exceptions
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 09:20 AM
exceptions to add an inside banger and rebounder which would be essential. As for moves right now, I'd say get Monta knowing that you still have to make some moves as the year goes on.

If there's a way to get rid of Calderon, do it. lol.

So it'd be more like a lineup of

Monta
Afflalo
Melo
Ed Davis/koufus/Bass for example
Monroe
2462146, Do you think that's a playoff team?
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Thu Jul-02-15 09:24 AM
2462150, It's a competitive team, at least
Posted by Mack, Thu Jul-02-15 09:28 AM
gives the Knicks something to build on, shows forward progress. If I were a Knicks fan, I'd be encouraged with those moves.
2462152, that starting 5 with a respectable bench and healthy melo?
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 09:30 AM
I would expect a 45-50 win season.

I really like Monroe (maybe i'm overselling him) and i'm going under the assumption that Fisher is at least a decent coach lol
2462161, You're right about the bench being key.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Thu Jul-02-15 09:48 AM
I like Monroe a lot. Not sure how they match up defensively though, but they'll be dynamic on offense.
2462165, lol i was ready for you to call me crazy at the 45-50 number
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 09:52 AM
like AB said, they'll score alot but they'll need to be committed and locked in on defense and have some lunchpail dudes off the bench.

2462178, I'm saying, lets say they win 40 and get the 8th seed.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Thu Jul-02-15 10:03 AM
That's a plus and something to build off of. But they'll need some dogs off the bench.

Might wanna keep that black gnome.
2462153, RE: Do you think that's a playoff team?
Posted by murph71, Thu Jul-02-15 09:34 AM


In the East with Atlanta losing keys guys and Indiana starting over on the fly? Yeah...that's a playoff team....
2462154, damn, dwest really just wants a ring
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 09:36 AM
no wonder he sad the knicks talks were ludicrous.

David West is hoping to join a contender and reportedly has serious interest in joining the Spurs or Warriors.

West declined his $12.2 million player option with the Pacers for 2015-16 and would likely have to sign for close to the veteran's minimum ($1.49 million) to play for the Spurs or Warriors. The 34-year-old said on Wednesday that he just wants to win, so we'll monitor his situation closely to see if he puts his money where his mouth is.
2462163, I read that he was also upset that he felt Bird...
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Jul-02-15 09:50 AM
threw Hibbert under the bus.
2462166, makes sense.
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 09:53 AM
2462159, I've heard many people mention this about Matthews about achillies
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 09:46 AM
injuries in general that they doubt the player will come back the same. Where are ya'll getting this from?

Everything that i've read and experienced(ruptured mine 4 years ago) is that your achillies is stronger post surgery and that you are able to do everything you did before. Incidents of re-injury aren't likely either.

I understand if a guy is 32,33 years old or older having to rehab for a year and come back is a struggle but for a dude that hasn't hit 30 yet, it really shouldn't be an issue going forward.

Paging LA2Philly
2462171, yup. I recall you had yours before mine. he'll be fine, its all mental
Posted by Ralo13, Thu Jul-02-15 10:00 AM
my cuz was a weird case

tore hers at 17 cheerleading. Still got
her scholly to U of L and hits crazy flips
and shit like nothing to this day. She's 25 now.

if he can get over the mental hurdle and especially
rehab that non existent calf you get while sitting
he should be fine
2462181, yup, plus all the medical stuff they have available to them now
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 10:05 AM
and you now they rehabbing, stretching every day like they are supposed to be lol
2462361, The Strain of the travel + 82 games schedule
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Thu Jul-02-15 01:20 PM
A lot of these are old injuries but history isnt kind

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/fantasy-basketball-today/25095586/history-not-kind-for-ruptured-achilles
2462170, Por asst said Lamarcus not coming back b4 fagency started
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 09:58 AM
well, damn.

No wonder they were all pissed.


Trail Blazers assistant coach Kim Hughes said LaMarcus Aldridge isn't coming back to Portland.

In a surprisingly open statement that his bosses likely won't be happy about, Hughes said that Aldridge won't be re-signing with the Trail Blazers. "Well, people don't realize we just went young," Hughes said while speaking about a bigger role for Meyes Leonard. "We didn't publicize it, but we lost LaMarcus Aldridge. It hasn't been declared yet, but I'm sure he won't come back. We will go young." Hughes isn't believed to have any personnel power within the Blazers organization, but he may have even less power after spilling the beans on this one.
2462195, WRONG PLACE
Posted by Marauder21, Thu Jul-02-15 10:24 AM
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2462172, Monroe to the Bucks.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jul-02-15 10:01 AM
2462174, Whoa!!!!
Posted by gmltheone, Thu Jul-02-15 10:02 AM
that's huge.
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Same as it ever was!
2462176, welp....that's all folks.
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 10:03 AM
2462177, RE: Monroe to the Bucks.
Posted by murph71, Thu Jul-02-15 10:03 AM


Strange signing...very strange....


Damn.....the Knicks r sucking air....
2462182, WOW! thats a GOOD fucking pick up for them
Posted by LAbeathustla, Thu Jul-02-15 10:07 AM
2462183, lol knicks
Posted by sndesai1, Thu Jul-02-15 10:09 AM
2462188, You could tell by the Grievis signing-- they're making moves now.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jul-02-15 10:14 AM
They aren't waiting around. That core in Milwaukee is young and terrific.
2462190, Awesome
Posted by Marauder21, Thu Jul-02-15 10:16 AM
Bucks are my east of the Mississippi, touching a Great Lake team, so I'm pumped.

Hope they can keep the team.
2462194, First Jason Kidd screwed over Brooklyn
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jul-02-15 10:24 AM
by pretty much leaving the Nets in the middle of the night and now he presumably under cut the Knicks. Excellent job on his behalf.
2462198, nope first he screwed the knicks by shooting 0% against indiana
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 10:26 AM
then the nets and now the knicks again lol
2462218, you mean 0% in the second half of the season
Posted by themaddfapper, Thu Jul-02-15 10:53 AM
he went from player to coach in the same season, just kept his uniform on.
2462203, RE: First Jason Kidd screwed over Brooklyn
Posted by obsidianchrysalis, Thu Jul-02-15 10:34 AM
Next up: Cuban and the Mavs...
2462196, 3 years/ 50 mil. Good deal.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jul-02-15 10:25 AM
2462223, I'm gonna hate them next season.
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Jul-02-15 11:01 AM
#2 to the Celtics on 2015-16 HATE list
2462249, fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Jul-02-15 11:37 AM
Should be really fun watching him eat Drummond's lunch 6 times a year

:(
2462267, Whoa!!! We're gonna be good again!!!
Posted by Deebot, Thu Jul-02-15 11:53 AM
2462515, They came up, more than Indiana IMO
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-03-15 04:04 AM
2462180, the lakers need to focus squarely on making sure bean has no ideas
Posted by LAbeathustla, Thu Jul-02-15 10:04 AM
of resigning some "reduced" contract bcz he stilll thinks hes able to contribute ERRRR chase jordan...
2462184, eff that feeeeel...go get monta.
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 10:10 AM
Then get a defensive center(not deandre)

then get some vets.

Melo/Monta >>>>>>>> Melo/JR
2462205, Go get Robin and work a deal or make an offer for Henson.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Thu Jul-02-15 10:37 AM
Get Ed Davis too. **shrugs**
2462187, *rolls dice* Come on Robin Lopez!
Posted by ThaAnthology, Thu Jul-02-15 10:13 AM
*sigh*
2462200, Now I'm curious
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jul-02-15 10:28 AM
and almost worried how Phil is going to spend the remaining money now.
2462197, Fear the Dear....thats a damn squad
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 10:25 AM
Lmao...can't even be mad at Monroe for that.

MCW
Middleton
Giannis
Jabari
Monroe

Vasquez
Mayo
Henson
Dudley
Plumlee


2nd best team in the east right today
2462199, The talk on the Monroe signing....(according to Wenny)
Posted by murph71, Thu Jul-02-15 10:27 AM

is FEEL didn't offer him that NEW max that is being thrown around right now .....Monroe was ready to sign with the Knicks but he got lowballed and took offense to the number he was being shown....

If this is the case, FEEL needs to be chased out of the village with pitchforks....
2462202, man if that is true? and the deal he got was 3yrs 50 milly?
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 10:30 AM
man that's a very team friendly contract
2462206, LMAO!!!! y'all bout to be sorry as FUCK!!! LMAO!!!!
Posted by Basaglia, Thu Jul-02-15 10:37 AM
2462215, sure looks that way. Still better than any deal that hampers
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 10:45 AM
us for years.

Stay flexible and try again next season.
2462224, you can stay sorry "for year" hampered and no...it's all perspective
Posted by Basaglia, Thu Jul-02-15 11:02 AM
LMAO!!!

2462231, huh?
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 11:10 AM
2462446, i mean to say you can say that every year, like you have been
Posted by Basaglia, Thu Jul-02-15 04:50 PM
and at some point, it becomes meaningless bullshit.

you not "saving" money with a shitty team, because no one wants to come there.
2462207, Ehh... is he worth max though?
Posted by ThaAnthology, Thu Jul-02-15 10:37 AM
2462209, Who cares? Cap's going up.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jul-02-15 10:39 AM
5 years, 70 mil would be equivalent to paying him like 12 per 2 years from now.
2462212, RE: Ehh... is he worth max though?
Posted by murph71, Thu Jul-02-15 10:40 AM


Of course Monroe is worth the max when Damarre Carroll is getting $60 mil.....Plus that money is no longer viewed as crazy considering that TV deal is about to kick in....
2462213, hell yes.
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 10:44 AM
2462220, I thought teams could only offer the new max as an extension to their own players
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Jul-02-15 10:55 AM
Anyone that gets signed right now gets signed under current cap numbers.

If he thinks he's worth the max under the new cap, he's fucking delusional. Either way I don't think Feel could have offered that kind of money just yet.
2462221, RE: I thought teams could only offer the new max as an extension to their own players
Posted by murph71, Thu Jul-02-15 10:57 AM
>Anyone that gets signed right now gets signed under current
>cap numbers.
>
>If he thinks he's worth the max under the new cap, he's
>fucking delusional. Either way I don't think Feel could have
>offered that kind of money just yet.


Nah...Feel fucked up.....If true....In the NBA a double double guy is worth the max....This is not our father's or even brother's max....
2462232, Feel can't offer him the new max. unless you can clear that up, that report is false.
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Jul-02-15 11:10 AM
2462248, RE: Feel can't offer him the new max. unless you can clear that up, that report is false.
Posted by murph71, Thu Jul-02-15 11:33 AM



I going by what Wenny said....Dude is usually on the money with these things...
2462279, Phil can't offer the new max. He probably didn't offer the current max.
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Jul-02-15 12:06 PM
I've read b the Lakers didn't offer the current max either, which I am very pleased to hear.
2462244, Sigh...smh
Posted by RexLongfellow, Thu Jul-02-15 11:28 AM
FEEL barely landing 2nd tier FA's?

This summer sucks so far
2462438, Listening to sports talk radio via a podcast now
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jul-02-15 04:02 PM
and it was revealed that David Faulk is Greg Monroe's agent. How in the world is Phil Jackson trying to play games with old school David Faulk?

Now I'm going to have to read more stuff online and see if Phil Jackson honestly tried to talk David Faulk down. Dude's been a top tier agent since the 90's, if not the 80's.
2462210, Remember when Curry signed a 4 year, $44 mil deal?
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jul-02-15 10:40 AM
2462214, GS got so lucky Curry ankles was jacked up early on.
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 10:44 AM
Biggest non0rookie discount deal in the league.
2462305, We're eventually going to end giving him like $30 mill plus a year
Posted by mrhood75, Thu Jul-02-15 12:27 PM
Especially with the cap going up. The owners are going to opt out of the CBA in 2017 tho, right? Curry might want to get his reps to start pushing for that extension soon.
2462222, Soooo...how long before Phil trades Melo/errr Melo asks for a trade?
Posted by auragin_boi, Thu Jul-02-15 10:59 AM
We'll gladly send over Taj (their new starting PF), Kirk (back up PG), a pick & Dougie McBucketts (SF replacement) for Melo lol

Bring a 3rd team to cover the salary gap (expiring deal).

I'm dreaming my a** off but so what dammit lol

Rose/Vet back up PG
Jimmy/Snell
Melo/Dunny
Pau/Niko
Noah/Portis

:)
2462225, RE: Soooo...how long before Phil trades Melo/errr Melo asks for a trade?
Posted by murph71, Thu Jul-02-15 11:02 AM
>We'll gladly send over Taj (their new starting PF), Kirk
>(back up PG), a pick & Dougie McBucketts (SF replacement) for
>Melo lol
>
>Bring a 3rd team to cover the salary gap (expiring deal).
>
>I'm dreaming my a** off but so what dammit lol
>
>Rose/Vet back up PG
>Jimmy/Snell
>Melo/Dunny
>Pau/Niko
>Noah/Portis



That's no dream....That can happen.....But u already know they want Niko....I'd sell them on Dougie....But if it came down to it I'm dealing them Niko in any such deal to land Melo.....
2462234, i'm fine with a melo trade but we gotta be able to get more than that.
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 11:11 AM
2462235, on board
Posted by ThaAnthology, Thu Jul-02-15 11:12 AM
2462239, you ain't getting shit.
Posted by bshelly, Thu Jul-02-15 11:19 AM
a perpetually out of shape 31 year old ball stopper coming off missing a season due to injury?

within 2 years melo will be considered to have the worst contract in the league.
2462236, real talk, i would not want melo on my books for the length of the contract
Posted by bshelly, Thu Jul-02-15 11:15 AM
in the exact right situation, where you just need a scorer to become a title contender and you have the right roster, ok, maybe.

but y'all? y'all got people who can score the ball, and (sorry) you're not a melo away from being a serious title contender. you'd just be locking yourself into 50-55 wins and cleveland fodder for years
2462245, RE: real talk, i would not want melo on my books for the length of the contract
Posted by murph71, Thu Jul-02-15 11:29 AM
>in the exact right situation, where you just need a scorer to
>become a title contender and you have the right roster, ok,
>maybe.
>
>but y'all? y'all got people who can score the ball, and
>(sorry) you're not a melo away from being a serious title
>contender. you'd just be locking yourself into 50-55 wins and
>cleveland fodder for years


Either u letting that hate out or u r being intellectually dishonest....lol

The Bulls' issue has been an unimaginative offense and the inability to score the ball in a consistent manner...As great as Thibs was at rallying the troops on D, his actual O plays were pretty Vanilla.....

Melo is the answer to the Bulls prayers on that front....

U mentioned the "exact right situation"? That's the Bulls.....Both the Bulls and Cavs got guys with injury histories (Chi--Rose, Clev--Kyrie, Love, Shump...)....I will take my chances with a dude who can knock down 25 in his sleep when teamed up with a team that plays better than average D and a SG who can guard the best guy on the floor...
2462258, LMAO...shells did you watch the playoffs?
Posted by auragin_boi, Thu Jul-02-15 11:47 AM
We went on extreme SCORING droughts. Basa was taking bets on which quarter it'd happen in.

Melo kills ALL of that for us.

And LMAO even harder at Clev fodder...like that ain't what we've been and are.

With Melo, we have a better shot IMO as he seems to play really well against Bron.

The top portion of the east and west has become an arms race and the pending cap expansion has made that race volatile.

Teams are legit GAINING ON US. Bucks, Indy (maybe), Det, Philly (eventually), ATL, Orl (maybe), Mia (got better off winslow alone).

And we not gonna even talk about the West (Aldridge on the spurs? really? Minny locked and loaded with Nukes? G-state being champs? Utah brewing, Phx trying, Hou trying to build a dream team?)...NOPE.

We need to push our chips to the center of the table for a good 2-3 season run at it. Otherwise, start over, blow up the core and keep the best pieces (Rose, Jimmy, Niko) and build around that for a second go round 3-4 seasons from now.
2462278, i'd go the tear down root
Posted by bshelly, Thu Jul-02-15 12:05 PM
i'm not arguing melo wouldn't make you better. i'm arguing that he would not make you better enough in the next 2-3 years to sniff a title. even if noah reverses his decline and rose turns back into a 20ppg, efficient player (neither of which is likely to happen), you're not going to be good enough to get out of the East absent multiple* Cleveland injuries, let alone deal with the West. going all in for melo now isn't going to work, and it means you're going to be saddled with another awful contract once melo's decline starts...or continues, given that, you know, he didn't play last year.

*=a hypothetical Bron injury counts as "multiple injuries" alone

the play for you guys is to not take on any contracts longer than 2 years besides jimmy and maaaaaybe big nik. i don't think you have to flip guys for assets or anything, but just ride out with what you got for two years. enjoy your 50 wins and second round exits. meanwhile, keep drafting smart. if you play this right, as soon as rose contract expires you can go big into free agency.

i'm not motivated by Bulls hate in this one. i'm probably motivated by Melo hate a little. mostly, though, i'm motivated by common sense. every statistical model we have says melo won't age particularly well, and he's signed forever. he's not the play.
2462289, lol so no one in the east should try to improve now as long as Bron
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 12:16 PM
is in cleveland?

that's basically what you are saying lol
2462313, no, what i'm saying is be smart about how you do it
Posted by bshelly, Thu Jul-02-15 12:31 PM
going for melo is an all-in move. when you do it, you say, we know this gives us a real title chance in the next two years, and after that, melo's contract is going to bite us in the ass. he's a 31 year old coming off a missed season who's making max money for four more years.
2462326, so you are saying that it gives them a real title chance for 2 years but then
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 12:45 PM
they'd have 2 years of a bad contract.

why is that a bade trade off?
2462331, no, i'm saying it does not give them a real title chance, so don't do it
Posted by bshelly, Thu Jul-02-15 12:51 PM
if it did give them a real title chance, sure, go ahead and try to get melo. they do not have the players that, plus melo, would be a title contender.

as they stand, all a healthy melo means to them is 3-4 more wins this year, a decrease from that in succeeding years, and a shitty contract.
2462293, RE: i'd go the tear down root
Posted by murph71, Thu Jul-02-15 12:19 PM


I don't think u get it homie....With Melo there the pressure would be OFF of Rose....He would no longer have to be a 20ppg plus, MVP caliber talent...He wouldn't have to play the role of savior...But more importantly the Bulls could possibly extend Rose's career (less minutes, less wear and tear)with such a move...


>*=a hypothetical Bron injury counts as "multiple injuries"
>alone

Forget Bron....Injuries have hit Kyrie and Love and Shump. It's the same issues the Bulls have had....U gotta be in it to win it...The Bulls have nothing to lose....


>the play for you guys is to not take on any contracts longer
>than 2 years besides jimmy and maaaaaybe big nik. i don't
>think you have to flip guys for assets or anything, but just
>ride out with what you got for two years. enjoy your 50 wins
>and second round exits. meanwhile, keep drafting smart. if you
>play this right, as soon as rose contract expires you can go
>big into free agency.

With the new TV deal kicking in, all of a sudden Melo's contract doesn't look that crazy....And who says we gotta wait for Rose's contract to expire? I've said it again and again....The Bulls could def. trade Rose (who is my dog) after the next season....In fact, I think they should see what they could get back for him...Just being realistic here...


>i'm not motivated by Bulls hate in this one.


Yeah...u r....lol

>i'm probably>motivated by Melo hate a little. mostly, though, i'm motivatedby common sense. every statistical model we have says melo
>won't age particularly well, and he's signed forever. he's not
>the play.

I think your Melo hate is def. bigger than your Bulls hate....

Bottom line: Bulls r missing another consistent scorer that can get his own shot...Melo is a lot of things....But no one would ever confuse him with being offensively challenged....
2462309, you know what? cool, i was wrong, go get melo
Posted by bshelly, Thu Jul-02-15 12:28 PM
and we'll see who's right.
2462329, RE: you know what? cool, i was wrong, go get melo
Posted by murph71, Thu Jul-02-15 12:49 PM
>and we'll see who's right.


Come on Shells...lol....don't take your ball and go home, dog...lol....Not that serious. We just happening a spirited debate here....

Who knows what will happen....I'm just using logic...Bulls suffered from a lack of scoring in the playoffs....Melo is a scorer....It's not rocket science is it?

Don't let that Melo hate blind u my brother....Word to LaLa....
2462341, oh it would make you better.
Posted by bshelly, Thu Jul-02-15 12:56 PM
i'm not that crazy. even i think melo will deserve to be on the all star team this coming season. you probably win 55 games with melo this year, maybe even 60 if drose and noah can find dat hot tub time machine.

it just won't make you good enough, AND it will fuck you over for years to come. that's the most basic statement of what i feel, plus one more thing: the only reason to play is to win a title.

if you disagree with any of that statement, cool, but we disagree and there's really not much more to say about it.
2462568, YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME (c) Herm
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Fri Jul-03-15 12:25 PM
>i'm not arguing melo wouldn't make you better. i'm arguing
>that he would not make you better enough in the next 2-3 years
>to sniff a title. even if noah reverses his decline and rose
>turns back into a 20ppg, efficient player (neither of which is
>likely to happen), you're not going to be good enough to get
>out of the East absent multiple* Cleveland injuries, let alone
>deal with the West.

why not? with Melo as the #1 option Rose wouldn't need to return to being a 20+ppg scorer, he could be an 18-19 ppg scorer with improved efficiency + add maybe 7-8 apg running the offense without having to worrry about carrying the scoring load; add a healthy Noah into the mix and i'm not sure why that's not good enough.

As for Cleveland, Kyrie gets hurt every year, we still don't really know how Love fits in with this team & he remains an unknown quantity as a playoff performer, and as much of an indestructible cyborg Lebron seems to be, he's been carrying an insane load for a hell of a long time esp. the past 2 years, so he's bound to start slowing down at some point.

Of course as long as Lebron is still in his prime (even if he's entering the back-end of it) Cleveland will be the favorite, but it wouldn't be as impossible for Chicago to compete with them as you're making it out to be.
2462261, You'd realistically need to come off of Niko, Portis, Taj, Doug, and picks.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jul-02-15 11:49 AM
Which, honestly, for a core of Rose, Butler, Melo, Pau, and Noah, is absolutely worth it. That's a win now squad for a win now scenario. And the Knicks desperately need young assets.

There's zero chance they'd deal for Taj, Kirk, and Doug. Niko and picks bare minimum would need to be added, and I strongly suspect they'd need more. They need to sell to the NY fans where the future is-- Taj, Kirk, and Doug for a franchise player would be laughed out of the state. Throw in picks and another two young assets? That'd be a lot tougher to turn down.
2462276, RE: You'd realistically need to come off of Niko, Portis, Taj, Doug, and picks.
Posted by murph71, Thu Jul-02-15 12:04 PM


Nah...31 years old coming off a knee injury? Melo will get a decent haul back....But Niko AND Portis AND Doug plus picks, and vets?

That ain't happening....

If the Bulls make such a deal we will give the Knicks either Niko OR Portis OR McBuckets with some combination of draft picks and vets, ect....
2462297, Then you won't get him. It's simple.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jul-02-15 12:21 PM
Phil isn't just gonna hand 25+ PPG to the Bulls. He would ask for all reasonable long-term assets in exchange for the win-now asset. Taj, Kirk, and Niko isn't enough, so you just won't get him.

They can *easily* get more for Melo from a different team. You either want to win now, or you don't. None of the guys I named are win-now difference makers. You could deal them all, replace the depth with vet min guys, and be an immediate contender in the East.

Noah's window is closing. Pau's window is closing. Phil wouldn't facilitate that process for Taj (a role player), Kirk (an old role player), and Niko (a potential guy).
2462323, RE: Then you won't get him. It's simple.
Posted by murph71, Thu Jul-02-15 12:41 PM
>Phil isn't just gonna hand 25+ PPG to the Bulls. He would ask
>for all reasonable long-term assets in exchange for the
>win-now asset. Taj, Kirk, and Niko isn't enough, so you just
>won't get him.

Melo controls his destiny....He has first trade refusal.....So let's put it all together. The only other teams that would be willing to trade for Melo r teams rebuilding (think the Sixers and the like....)...With Melo in control of his trade rights the Knicks HAVE to play ball to get from under his enormous contract....Melo is only going to a team that can win it all now....And we all know at this point the Knicks want him gone....


>Noah's window is closing. Pau's window is closing. Phil
>wouldn't facilitate that process for Taj (a role player), Kirk
>(an old role player), and Niko (a potential guy).

At this moment, the Knicks are about getting expiring contracts, picks and a young talented piece....Dat Zingis pick tells u all u need to know....FEEL IS ABOUT TO GO FULL BLOWN REBUILD...Hell, I would give u Portis and McBuckets, or Niko somewhere in there with VETS, a quality draft pick, Taj, and an expiring contract....

But if this trade goes down (which is a dream at this point...lol) I'm not handing over Portis, McBuckets, AND Niko together, a draft pick and a vet for a 31 year old coming off a knee injury....
2462344, What could he get though? There's some balance there as well.
Posted by auragin_boi, Thu Jul-02-15 12:59 PM
Melo ain't going to a rebuilding team (what's the point in trading him then, he could just stay with the knicks) so it'd have to be a fringe contender or contender.

Those teams aren't ripe with young assets that they'd trade for Melo. The BEST Phil would get (knowing he can't actively send Melo to a wack team) is a combo of picks, young talent and expiring deals.

Taj + Kirk = off the books within 2 seasons, Kirk next summer, Taj after that (and he's a serviceable vet that can help their younger players)
Doug = #11 pick in the 2014 draft
Draft pick

^^^Satisfies all 3. If he doesn't want Taj for 2 years, a 3rd team could be pulled in to take him, that could move a few young assets NY's way (though phil might have to eat a bad contract to make it work, but not one as big as Melos). Boston, Phx, Orl, Utah, Minny are all viable options.

>Phil isn't just gonna hand 25+ PPG to the Bulls. He would ask
>for all reasonable long-term assets in exchange for the
>win-now asset. Taj, Kirk, and Niko isn't enough, so you just
>won't get him.

1. Suck with Melo - 31 yr old, 22 mil player or
2. Suck rebuilding - couple expiring deals (as soon as cap expands), couple young assets and maybe a few more

^^^Option 2 makes more sense

>They can *easily* get more for Melo from a different team. You
>either want to win now, or you don't. None of the guys I named
>are win-now difference makers. You could deal them all,
>replace the depth with vet min guys, and be an immediate
>contender in the East.

From who? Where Melo wouldn't have the same issue he's having now with NY? You think he really gonna be happy playing for the Kings? Wolves? Magic? Lakers (maybe only because of the $/business opportunities but what would LA have/be willing to give up)?

Melo could realistically only go to a handful of teams:

Bulls - Already expressed interest and we were his runner up choice...and we have some assets to pass out.
Clippers - Perfect need, CP3 too...but again...assets for the Knicks?
Wizards - Would be the perfect transition from Pierce...but who/what do they sacrifice to get him?
Heat - He'd get them 'close' but Wade's knees would cripple them and what do they give up for him?
Grizz - Could work, not sure they are interested though
Rockets - Could work but would there be enough shots to go around and what do they give up...D-mo and Terrence Jones?
Mavs - Wouldn't be strong enough to win WITH him
Spurs - Don't need him
Warriors - Don't want him

>Noah's window is closing. Pau's window is closing. Phil
>wouldn't facilitate that process for Taj (a role player), Kirk
>(an old role player), and Niko (a potential guy).

^^^Starting caliber vet/Cap, Cap and young asset

He's not getting much more than that for Melo.

Sorry.
2462359, Good grief, that's a ton of typing.
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jul-02-15 01:18 PM
You expended a lot of brain power over your desire for Carmelo Anthony in a Bulls uniform. I almost wonder what Chicago sports radio sounded like this time last year when Melo decided to re-sign with the Knicks.
2462393, We were saying..."he'll regret that decision in a yr"
Posted by auragin_boi, Thu Jul-02-15 02:41 PM
and here we are. lol
2462456, They'll trade him to whoever offers the most.
Posted by Frank Longo, Thu Jul-02-15 05:22 PM
Bulls fans have overvalued Taj from day one. He's not a perennial starter on a good team. Kirk is the ghost of himself, and Doug is still a big question mark.

That and a low first rounder won't get it done at all. Other teams will offer more.
2462480, smfh. lulz.
Posted by dula dibiasi, Thu Jul-02-15 07:51 PM
2462228, am I the only Lakers fan not terribly bothered by missing out on these guys?
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Jul-02-15 11:07 AM
For starters, I'm on record saying I wasn't thrilled with this crop for various reasons so anyone saying I'm trying to spin this is buggin.

The only guy I really wanted was Butler, but that always hinged on the long shot of an extremely creative poison pill type deal.

After that, I saw Aldridge and Love as guys who could keep pressure off the kids as they develop. DJ too, to a lesser extent. Those three can help draw free agents next year. Problem is, After Durant? Not exactly a great FA class.

After that? Look, I've come around on Tobias and I'm willing to overpay him a bit because he's a 3D guy who is still young enough that he can grow with this crop.

Sign him, try to keep Hill for another year, and hope Bean gets injured early enough that the kids can play without the old man barking at them. We are what we are and I'd rather watch the kids develop.
2462247, This is a good perspective
Posted by DJ Wade-O, Thu Jul-02-15 11:31 AM
I was telling one of my homies this last night. We need to embrace the youth movement. Look what Milwaukee is doing. They are letting those kids develop and they may be top 4 in the East next year.

Build the young core and KIM

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2462251, RE: This is a good perspective
Posted by murph71, Thu Jul-02-15 11:38 AM
>I was telling one of my homies this last night. We need to
>embrace the youth movement. Look what Milwaukee is doing.
>They are letting those kids develop and they may be top 4 in
>the East next year.
>
>Build the young core and KIM

The Lakers just need to get Kobe out of the door....Once he is gone (And Buss Jr. hands it over to his sister) the FA's will flock...But at least they got a good base of youngsters....
2462291, Partial truth to that
Posted by DJ Wade-O, Thu Jul-02-15 12:17 PM
The young kids have to develop. Veteran guys like Lamarcus want to play for chips. We have to get to a point where guys feel like if I come there, we can win a chip there.

The fact that its LA and Holywood isn't enough anymore. Lebron and Kevin Durant are probably the two highest endorsement guys and they live in Cleveland and OKC respectively.

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2462263, Pretty much this. Except no Hill.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jul-02-15 11:50 AM
Gimme Ed Davis. He might not wanna come back but he should.

I would have loved LMA on this team, but knew it was a longshot at best. I'm totally good with a full rebuild, and all I want is Mitch to not panic. Kobe's almost done.
2462268, Nope. You're not.
Posted by Creole, Thu Jul-02-15 11:55 AM
RE: am I the only Lakers fan not terribly bothered by missing out on these guys?

2462274, I basically said the same thing in the Aldridge post, dude wasn't going...
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Jul-02-15 12:02 PM
to be a savior, he made it out of the 1st round only once in Portland and they had some decent squads
2462288, I'm definitely ok with it
Posted by LA2Philly, Thu Jul-02-15 12:15 PM
I did want LMA bc thought he would allow more space for the kids to develop (as you said) and I think his game will age very well if he has a 5 beside him...but as it stands, keep building the core, get Kobe's contract off the books, and show real on court potential in addition the franchise clout and location to attract FA's.
2462302, My real issue is the comically inept pitch we reportedly gave.
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Jul-02-15 12:26 PM
Especially Kobe. If he can't tell a guy like LA "hey, you can take the reigns and I'll fall back" after three years of injuries while entering his 20th s3ason on a team starving for another star, he's delusional.

And the rumored over emphasis on outside opportunities?

Yeah. I'm good on that. If our management and aged star can't even present a solid pitch to make these guys at least consider us, we're in some serious trouble.
2462312, This!
Posted by Mack, Thu Jul-02-15 12:30 PM
>If our management and aged star can't
>even present a solid pitch to make these guys at least
>consider us, we're in some serious trouble.

The Lakers haven't landed a top free agent the past 3 off seasons. Getting endorsement deals, movie cameos, record deals, etc. is a given if you play in L.A. It doesn't even need to be mentioned.
2462325, What else are they gonna say though?
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jul-02-15 12:43 PM
We haven't landed a FA in 3 years because we're really, really bad and didn't have any potential. Now we've got 3 very young players with some potential. If they pan out at all, and Kobe retires, we've got something to talk to FA's about.

Until then, gotta sell the LA lifestyle cause there's literally nothing else.
2462337, RE: What else are they gonna say though?
Posted by Mack, Thu Jul-02-15 12:53 PM
>Now we've got 3 very
>young players with some potential. If they pan out at all, and
>Kobe retires, we've got something to talk to FA's about.

That's what you need to sell them on. Convince them that they are the man that's going to lead this potential to greatness. Everyone knows what the L.A. lifestyle is. Yeah, you're going to have to put up with Kobe's b.s. in the short term but he's on his way out. You...you're the guy who's going to start the next great Lakers dynasty. And being a champion in L.A. is a whole hell of a lot of fun.
2462338, We've seen exactly ONE of those players play.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jul-02-15 12:54 PM
Can't sell them on something that isn't there. It's exciting to have a young core, but it's also unknown.
2462296, The fact that no one wants to go to L.A. is concerning
Posted by Mack, Thu Jul-02-15 12:20 PM
As stated elsewhere, the combo of Spaulding Buss and Kobe seems to be pretty unattractive to free agents. Yes, wanting to win is part of a player's decision, but becoming the next great Laker has lost its aura. That's troubling. Hopefully, once Kobe retires and Junior Buss goes and hides somewhere, things will improve.
2462300, i thnk they'll be fine once kobe is gone.
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 12:23 PM
2462304, Not If we keep selling Hollywood bullshit
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Jul-02-15 12:27 PM
2462346, That should concern Lakers fans more than anything
Posted by Marauder21, Thu Jul-02-15 01:00 PM
That "think of the marketing opportunities/Hollywood parties" shit matters to fans and talking heads. Most players aren't going to care about any of that unless they know they'll win, too.

If that's really their approach, they're thinking more like sports radio hosts.
2462628, right.. I'm worried about the FO
Posted by LegacyNS, Fri Jul-03-15 07:03 PM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

=======================================
2462310, Look at how compettive the West is.
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jul-02-15 12:29 PM
A masked balling out of his mind almost averaging a triple double for a month Westbrook missed going to the playoffs because Anthony Davis hit a toss-up three pointer last year.

A primetime player for the most part doesn't want to spend their years rebuilding in the West, and for good reason.
2462379, fwiw, im kind of perturbed
Posted by guru0509, Thu Jul-02-15 01:59 PM
and worried for my guy under the tutelage of someone who has scared off every big time FA this offseason.






2462395, Not sure it's Kobe's fault.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jul-02-15 02:42 PM
It's a bad team.

Dloading and Randle do what they should this year, and suddenly this is an attractive spot once Kobe's contract comes off the books. No established FA wants to come to the unknown when they're trying to win titles.
2462399, And even assuming Kobe is the problem.
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jul-02-15 02:53 PM
He's going to be gone in a season or two, so it's not as if he'll torpedo a youngster's career for too long assuming the Kobe Scarecrow is keeping free agents away.

Has a Kobe Scarecrow meme cropped up yet?
2462481, unless we landed 2 FAs it wasn't gonna matter so....
Posted by LegacyNS, Thu Jul-02-15 07:52 PM
It's all good..
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

=======================================
2462578, How do you figure?
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-03-15 01:33 PM
They could have landed one now and one next summer with Kobe's money coming off the books.
2462629, I meant for being competitive this year..
Posted by LegacyNS, Fri Jul-03-15 07:04 PM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

=======================================
2462507, IMO it's less the players in particular than the attitudes/trends shown
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-03-15 02:09 AM
I mean like I said several seasons ago, the NBA marketing is national/international now. We saw Durant as its most visible player from Oklahoma fucking City. Today we see Monroe spurn the Lakers and Knicks for the MILWAUKEE.

Aldridge is coming back to the table but both his and DJ's meetings were tepid to disastrous for the Lakers.

So I mean while none of these guys are LeBron, all three of them and Love are all better than any free agent available in a given year. You look at the Bron/Bosh year, after that it was Amare and Boozer. One year Elton Brand and Josh Smith were the choice options in the FA market.

Basically what I am saying is that while none of these guys are like "WOOOOOOOOOOOW" Shaq-type FAs, they definitely ARE better than what's available in a given year and they are not very risky contracts given their terms and the players' respective ages.

So, in short, IT'S ALL BAD! (c) W.C.
2462237, Carmelo Anthony has to lobby Andrew Cuomo to grant him
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jul-02-15 11:16 AM
a medical marijuana license so he can deal with the pain and torture of having to play with another crap Knicks squad next season.

I think Andrew Cuomo will understand.
2462238, Knicks gonna offer Enes. Smh.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Thu Jul-02-15 11:19 AM
Don't.

I love my guy. But he plays negative defense. If Greg is a 1 on defense out of 10. Enes is -2.
2462240, Phil giving the Knicks an identity
Posted by bshelly, Thu Jul-02-15 11:20 AM
that identity is turnstile.

I'm sure Kanter will work harder on D once he gets paid, though.
2462257, and the Thunder will match...
Posted by gmltheone, Thu Jul-02-15 11:43 AM

----------------------------
Same as it ever was!
2462266, Well as long as it ups his price & get UK's players closer to a billion..
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Thu Jul-02-15 11:53 AM
dollars in total contracts. I'm for it.
2462282, I want him in camp (c)Dick Vermeil
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Jul-02-15 12:06 PM
.
2462441, rather them get back dlee for cheap for 1 year
Posted by gusto, Thu Jul-02-15 04:24 PM
no one else wants him. maybe the lakers.
2462286, Monta Ellis to the Pacers - 4 years/$44 million
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jul-02-15 12:14 PM
No link, saw an alert on my phone.
2462290, Nice deal for them
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Jul-02-15 12:17 PM
2462294, They need to attend to their frontline
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jul-02-15 12:19 PM
now that it appears David West and Hibbert are gone. But Ellis and George are a good tandem, assuming Paul George returns to form.

**edit**

I'd probably be more comfortable with a two or three year deal rather than a four year one with Ellis, but that's nitpicking on my part.
2462307, They'll be fine.
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Jul-02-15 12:28 PM
>now that it appears David West and Hibbert are gone. But
>Ellis and George are a good tandem, assuming Paul George
>returns to form.
>
>**edit**
>
>I'd probably be more comfortable with a two or three year deal
>rather than a four year one with Ellis, but that's nitpicking
>on my part.
2462292, damn, good deal.
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 12:18 PM
2462521, How the fuck this guy keep getting lowballed?!?!
Posted by Orbit_Established, Fri Jul-03-15 06:13 AM

Best discount ever
2462321, Report: What Kobe said to LMA in Lakers Pitch Meeting
Posted by DJ Wade-O, Thu Jul-02-15 12:41 PM
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2512763-kobes-pitch-to-lamarcus-aldridge-reveals-why-free-agents-are-rebuffing-lakers

Kobe Bryant could only say what he knew.

He had lost faith in the Los Angeles Lakers, Bryant told LaMarcus Aldridge.

Bryant did not believe the franchise could help him win again. Until, much to his awe and delight, Bryant said, the Lakers turned it all around in 2008, getting him Pau Gasol and two more titles.

Bryant didn't stop there: He brought up the blocked Chris Paul trade to Aldridge as even greater proof of Mitch Kupchak's team-building brilliance.

Bryant suggested to Aldridge that attempting to land Paul wasn't just paving the way for even more championships; the Lakers were set to save a ton of money in that deal in an even more extraordinary victory. Although the Paul trade wasn't allowed to go down, Bryant said, it just goes to show that you can count on Kupchak and the Lakers to find a way to get you the help you need.

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2462327, WHAT AN ASSHOLE
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jul-02-15 12:48 PM
2462328, I'm not a fan of Kobe in the least
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jul-02-15 12:48 PM
but it's unfortunate how the press is making Kobe the scapegoat only because he's injury ridden at this point of his career and hasn't done much as of late. Such lazy journalism.
2462333, The media knows what drives clicks
Posted by LA2Philly, Thu Jul-02-15 12:52 PM
Anything about Kobe or the Lakers is gonna generate a lot of traffic...hence the lazy journalism, as you put it.
2462340, It bothers me
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jul-02-15 12:55 PM
because I'm sure the writers themselves don't believe Kobe is the sole reason Aldridge didn't sign up to join the Lakers. It's lazy and reeks of intellectual dishonesty to push such BS out there.
2462350, Intellectual honesty doesn't mean squat anymore
Posted by LA2Philly, Thu Jul-02-15 01:01 PM
Traffic and ad revenues are the name of the game...and that's why you see so much garbage regarding any polarizing team, player, etc...people are dumb enough to click on and then believe it's true.
2462330, Yeh, tough to sell any established stars on a maybe...
Posted by LA2Philly, Thu Jul-02-15 12:51 PM
when they can be on a sure-fire contender right now.
2462332, Cool...All facts.
Posted by gmltheone, Thu Jul-02-15 12:52 PM
I didn't think this was a repeat of the D12 debacle.

But I do see why LMA wasn't biting. He's 30 and there are better situations out there for the same money.


----------------------------
Same as it ever was!
2462342, Right?
Posted by Marauder21, Thu Jul-02-15 12:57 PM
Kobe didn't necessarily bungle this, but if you're Aldridge, would that really inspire you to turn down the Spurs or Rockets?
2462345, Of course not.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jul-02-15 12:59 PM
I obviously get it from LMA's perspective, but Kobe gave him all facts. I trust in Mitch.
2462335, pretty plausible, and good on him
Posted by bshelly, Thu Jul-02-15 12:52 PM
2462348, I've been saying that Chris Paul veto set our franchise back years
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Jul-02-15 01:00 PM
2462353, That's a new take I haven't heard yet.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jul-02-15 01:04 PM
2462363, LOL
Posted by rjc27, Thu Jul-02-15 01:32 PM
2462482, no real issue with that..
Posted by LegacyNS, Thu Jul-02-15 07:56 PM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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2462364, Ed Davis to Portland as the new Aldridge
Posted by Marauder21, Thu Jul-02-15 01:39 PM
Per Woj
2462367, Good for Ed. I wanted him back, but oh well.3 year
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jul-02-15 01:42 PM
3 years, 20 mil? That's a goddamn steal. He averaged almost 8 rebounds and 1.2 blocks in like 26 minutes last season.
2462369, Blazers are quietly doing some good things
Posted by Marauder21, Thu Jul-02-15 01:43 PM
People are going to focus on Aldridge and Batum going away, but they're going to be in good shape next year.
2462370, Dunno about GOOD shape.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jul-02-15 01:46 PM
They're losing 3 of their 4 best players.

But they're making some smart signings and trades.
2462373, They're one of the two teams in a two team division
Posted by Marauder21, Thu Jul-02-15 01:49 PM
Wolves are a year away, Denver's a big question mark, Utah's mediocre. Depending on what else they do, Portland could still be a playoff team.
2462377, the division don't mean squat unless you win it.
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 01:52 PM
2462378, right, they won ONE game in the first round WITH Little Marcus, lol
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Jul-02-15 01:53 PM
2462451, I'll say it -- Mike Conley > Damian Lillard
Posted by celery77, Thu Jul-02-15 04:59 PM
let's not pretend like the Grizz were some Eastern Conference 1st round fodder, that could have easily been a Finals team.
2462470, RE: I'll say it -- Mike Conley > Damian Lillard
Posted by guru0509, Thu Jul-02-15 06:15 PM
My man...(c)
2462500, Yup, he is too.
Posted by BlassFemur, Fri Jul-03-15 12:11 AM
2462508, I agree but Conley is in his prime, Lillard isn't there yet.
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-03-15 02:10 AM
Right now Conley can do more things but Lillard is a better scorer with the opportunity to round out his game.
2462528, 27 yrs old vs 24 yrs old. We ain't talking Chris Paul vs MCW.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Fri Jul-03-15 07:40 AM
2462609, 5 more years of exp is a lot
Posted by cgonz00cc, Fri Jul-03-15 04:28 PM
2462376, is good shape a competetive team that misses the playoffs?
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 01:51 PM
then i agree.
2462396, They could be starting back from the bottom, and they're not
Posted by Marauder21, Thu Jul-02-15 02:44 PM
2462381, Good Jack Lalanne shape for the lottery.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Thu Jul-02-15 02:10 PM
2462448, sub-40 win team as is, never near a playoff spot
Posted by celery77, Thu Jul-02-15 04:57 PM
they're signing bench guys for a team that has no starting unit.
2462501, I'm fine with LMA walking, just wish Portland would grabbed Monroe.
Posted by BlassFemur, Fri Jul-03-15 12:15 AM
it's gonna be crazy how different that team looks next season.
2462509, IMHO the best *value* signing yet, very fair terms
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-03-15 02:11 AM
He is gonna do well up there, whenever I watched the Lakers live, this dude balled. He is getting better, too. I like his game.
2462365, So should I worry now that my Celtics are getting jack squat?
Posted by Lach, Thu Jul-02-15 01:42 PM
and just accept that we're in that 8th seed purgatory for next season and possibly years to come? At least yall Lakers got some potential young stars in the last 2 drafts.
2462368, 2008 this is not. :(
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jul-02-15 01:43 PM
2462510, I wouldnt sweat it, they are piling up assets, trade flexibility, etc
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-03-15 02:14 AM
I dont think Ainge is Joe Dumars Jr, I think he is actually good enough to put together another good team. They made a good coaching hire, they have a little talent and they have a lot of futures in hand.

I don't think UFAs are Ainge's style, he was never a fiend for cap space (even though they have some at the moment, right?) and he knows most guys on the market are damaged goods or damaged goods to be. There were some decent guys in this market but I didn't see Boston in a position to make a great pitch to anyone.
2462390, Trade
Posted by Ceej, Thu Jul-02-15 02:33 PM
Phoenix has traded Marcus Morris, Reggie Bullock and Danny Granger to Detroit for future picks, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
2462391, Fuck is going on with these auto videos fuckiing up these posts?
Posted by Ceej, Thu Jul-02-15 02:33 PM
2462437, I thought it was just me
Posted by DJ Wade-O, Thu Jul-02-15 04:01 PM
Think I am going to make a post in GD about this.

Download my new mixtape featuring Lecrae, Andy Mineo, Christon Gray and more. Positive Hip Hop: http://www.noisetrade.com/wadeoradio
2462392, Suns are making some room....LMA?
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jul-02-15 02:35 PM
Looks like they just cleared enough room to sign LMA without needing a sign and trade.

Tyson Chandler
Lamarcus Aldridge
PJ Tucker
Eric Bledsoe
Brandon Knight

That's a nice squad, but like 6-8th in the West.
2462398, That looks like a lateral move at best
Posted by Numba_33, Thu Jul-02-15 02:47 PM
compared to last year's Blazers squad. Dude would be insane to turn down San Antonio. At least if Aldridge turns them down, the Suns can use those picks in other ways, so that move doesn't hurt them too much assuming Aldridge spurns them for the Spurs.
2462394, Are we sure they're allowed to do this?
Posted by Marauder21, Thu Jul-02-15 02:41 PM
Split up the Morris twins, I mean
2462404, lol first thing i thought.
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 03:06 PM
don't them boys got some pending legal issue anyway?
2462462, bitch move by the Suns...they signed at a discount to stay together
Posted by guru0509, Thu Jul-02-15 05:41 PM


never ever trust NBA GMs

2462463, nah I dont think it was really a discount
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Thu Jul-02-15 05:43 PM
I think they just gave them 2 unequal amounts that the brothers considered to be basically good cause it was like if 1 gets paid we both get paid.

Just cause theyre in a different city doesnt mean they cant split their money.


But yea dont trust NBA Gms
2462405, kief is the good one right?
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 03:06 PM
2462407, yeah. shit. shit. shit.
Posted by Rjcc, Thu Jul-02-15 03:07 PM

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at
2462465, make that *one* future pick. a 2020 2nd lol
Posted by cgonz00cc, Thu Jul-02-15 05:50 PM
2462511, They split up the twins? Lame shit. Ah well.
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-03-15 02:14 AM
2462413, Lakers and LaMarcus to meet again
Posted by Creole, Thu Jul-02-15 03:13 PM
https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/616698127882391552

Got that from off of Bleacher Report
2462415, Da hell is going on
Posted by LA2Philly, Thu Jul-02-15 03:16 PM
2462417, RE: Da hell is going on
Posted by Creole, Thu Jul-02-15 03:17 PM
That's what I said when it flashed across my phone.
2462419, Intriguing but I expect very little to come of that
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Jul-02-15 03:18 PM
I think this is the Lakers saving face and little else.
2462422, True. However, what if...
Posted by Creole, Thu Jul-02-15 03:21 PM
Really... What if LaMarcus (and/or agent) leaked the earlier stuff to drive up his price for the Lakers?
2462434, price? besides the lolknickslol, who woudn't offer the max.
Posted by Cenario, Thu Jul-02-15 03:45 PM
2462443, You realize the NBA has max contracts, right?
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Jul-02-15 04:25 PM
He can't dri up his price.
2462429, Or he really could want to play there
Posted by gmltheone, Thu Jul-02-15 03:35 PM
Had his people leak the botched first meeting. Hoped they make another pitch. Not about money. But them actually laying out a plan beyond he's Kobe, we're the Lakers, and this is Hollywood.
----------------------------
Same as it ever was!
2462420, Sounds like he's going to take his time picking a team
Posted by Marauder21, Thu Jul-02-15 03:18 PM
But DAT CLOAK fits iffy on him anyway, so
2462423, Yup...
Posted by Creole, Thu Jul-02-15 03:22 PM
2462426, unless we half assed our first meeting
Posted by las raises, Thu Jul-02-15 03:25 PM
And let everyone show their best and now we somehow lay something else that wasn't presented and he is sold, it's doubtful just wishful thinking
2462430, I guess this will focus more on on-court stuff and less on "BUT IT'S LOS ANGELES"
Posted by Marauder21, Thu Jul-02-15 03:36 PM
Smart by the Lakers, but I don't think it will work for them. Good for them for at least getting another shot, though.
2462445, Kobe got his briefcase and is at Big Baby's front door puzzled right now
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Thu Jul-02-15 04:43 PM
"Ummm...what are you doing at Larmarcus's crib?"
2462452, you think Pop has LMA gathering intel on other organizations?
Posted by celery77, Thu Jul-02-15 05:00 PM
dude was ex-CIA
2462457, I wouldn't even be mad. That's amazing.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jul-02-15 05:22 PM
2462469, "Enough lifestyle talk, Mitch. Show me your playbook."
Posted by celery77, Thu Jul-02-15 06:10 PM
"Let me hear your free agent plans. Do you mind if I set my little case here down on the table?"
2462464, That would make him GOAT NBA coach
Posted by Marauder21, Thu Jul-02-15 05:48 PM
2462466, He's really gotta find out Robert Sacre's practice habits if he wants #6
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Thu Jul-02-15 05:52 PM
2462467, He's meeting with the Lakers to gather intel on the Clippers
Posted by Marauder21, Thu Jul-02-15 05:54 PM
That's how fucking devious Pop is. Chess moves.
2462471, "so lamarcus, let me introduce you to our vice president of analytics..."
Posted by dula dibiasi, Thu Jul-02-15 06:18 PM
http://i.imgur.com/JUTZnFt.gif
2462478, RE: "so lamarcus, let me introduce you to our vice president of analytics..."
Posted by bshelly, Thu Jul-02-15 07:32 PM
http://a3.mzstatic.com/us/r30/Purple6/v4/35/46/b6/3546b614-a2de-c57d-4b24-426b118d63ba/icon175x175.jpeg
2462479, http://i.imgur.com/23mEya0.jpg
Posted by dula dibiasi, Thu Jul-02-15 07:45 PM
http://i.imgur.com/23mEya0.jpg
2462519, #actually
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Fri Jul-03-15 06:03 AM
@ramonashelburne
Lakers mtg with LaMarcus today lasted 90 mins. Basketball talk from Kupchak, Byron &Mark Madsen (who handles analytics for coaching staff)
http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view5/1936518/mark-madsen-dancing-o.gif
2462487, whoa...
Posted by LegacyNS, Thu Jul-02-15 08:07 PM

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

=======================================
2462453, Wade back to Heat.... 1 year 20 million
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Jul-02-15 05:08 PM
.
2462468, 3 Marquette guys signed for a total of $145mm so far
Posted by HowieDooem, Thu Jul-02-15 05:55 PM
With Wes Matthews still out there. We don't turn out a ton of NBA players, but when it happens, damn.

Just saying.
2462512, Fair deal for both sides IMHO
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-03-15 02:14 AM
2462495, Rolo Knicks over Lakers
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Thu Jul-02-15 10:23 PM
2462497, Yeh, he chose 12 mill per over 8 mill per
Posted by LA2Philly, Thu Jul-02-15 11:34 PM
Considering it will the biggest contract of his career, it's the sensible choice.
2462498, That's a dodged bullet.
Posted by Ryan M, Thu Jul-02-15 11:36 PM
I like him but he's not worth 8 figures.
2462513, Corny ass signing lol lol lol. This is what it came down to?
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-03-15 02:15 AM
For these "proud franchises?"
2462518, Mavs/Parsons got one: Wes matthews
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Fri Jul-03-15 05:45 AM
4 years at 13-15 million per will be flexible depending on Deandre.

He turned down the bigger Sac deal. So now Sac traded cap space for nothing cause all he big guys they wanted turned them down
2462522, How does Wes 16 per and Monta get 11?
Posted by Orbit_Established, Fri Jul-03-15 06:14 AM

How?

Monta is better

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
2462524, RE: How does Wes 16 per and Monta get 11?
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Fri Jul-03-15 06:48 AM
>
>How?
>
>Monta is better

On offense, sure. Monta is a much better playmaker, Wes is a much better 3 point shooter.
Defesively Wes is much better, and supposedly a phenomenal locker room guy.


I just dont understand giving Wes that money off the achilles like Ive said a bunch of times already






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>----------------------------
>
>
>
>O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"
>
>
>
>
>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>
>(C)Keith Murray, "
2462526, That's why I was glad he didn't take that Kings offer. Sheesh.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Fri Jul-03-15 07:37 AM
Rather watch B-Mac grow and fall somewhere between budget Ray Allen and Kerry Kittles.
2462527, Bro, Monta been underpaid his whole damn life.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Fri Jul-03-15 07:38 AM
Shit Khris Middleton got paid. Fucking Monta making a lil bit more than Iman.

This makes no damn sense.
2462530, ALL MY LIFE I HAS TO FIGHT...NIGGA!!! (c)Kendrick/Monta
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Jul-03-15 07:51 AM
.
2462532, It tells you something when him and his camp
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Fri Jul-03-15 08:03 AM
just easily roll over and accept these deals though, no?
2462534, True. I don't know if he has shitty management or just doesn't...
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Fri Jul-03-15 08:05 AM
understand.

Is his cousin his agent or some shit?
2462541, I think it's dan fegan who is a big time guy
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Fri Jul-03-15 09:09 AM
lastbtime he fired his agent cause he didn't get "lucrative offers"
2462544, or he's an undersized gunner who does nothing else
Posted by bshelly, Fri Jul-03-15 09:18 AM
2462545, hey, hey hey hey hey....aren't you an Iverson fan?
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Fri Jul-03-15 09:19 AM
2462553, Monta can't play D like Wes + Wes scores without needing the ball*
Posted by celery77, Fri Jul-03-15 10:03 AM
if I had to take either Monta or Wes to lead a bench unit? yeah, I'd take Monta. He can stir the drink on offense, Wesley can't do that. If I had most of my starting lineup locked in and was looking for a SG to help us win playoff games? I'd take Wesley, each and every time.



*this is all pre-injury, mind you
2462579, I'm glad you said it. I've been thinking it since he signed to the Pacers.
Posted by B.J.S.301, Fri Jul-03-15 01:43 PM
He's better than role player money.
2462535, Rboooooo come out to playyyyyyy
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Fri Jul-03-15 08:50 AM
lol dude if nothing else this team would give you great comedy material

Jake Fischer
Jake Fischer – ‏@JakeLFischer

The Sacramento Kings will begin discussions with free agents Josh Smith and Lou Williams today, according to league sources.
6:28 AM - 3 Jul 2015
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2462542, I don't wanna jinx it...but
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Fri Jul-03-15 09:14 AM
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8d/27/70/8d27707ce92e5238501453f6a8e7dd1c.jpg

I'm ready for the Bad Guys
2462546, Yea that's what I was thinking
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Fri Jul-03-15 09:19 AM
in this case you go fullretard and hope the bad news bears figure it out and play with a chip on their shoulders.
2462547, That's the only way to go. And I love it.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Fri Jul-03-15 09:33 AM
I've been hoping Rondo and Boogie could play together for years.

I think Rondo can make WCS look good. And B-Mac better.

His best friend is Josh. Friends with Rudy.

C-Webb hated on WCS this year too.

This shit is a perfect Mad Making Vortex of Asshole'dom.
2462549, Management's way to get George Karl to quit?
Posted by Mack, Fri Jul-03-15 09:42 AM
if so, I like it.
2462551, Hell yeah. I hope so.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Fri Jul-03-15 09:51 AM
2462543, LOL...wow...they really are just flailing at this point....
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Jul-03-15 09:18 AM
I imagine the Kings "war room" looking like this:
http://cdn.firstwefeast.com/assets/2013/09/always-21.gif
2462563, LOL
Posted by JBoogs, Fri Jul-03-15 11:32 AM

***************
I've traveled far and wide through many different times...
2462561, d morey bein real quiet right now
Posted by LAbeathustla, Fri Jul-03-15 11:11 AM
be scared
2462572, Seems if lma doesn't go to sa, they end up with west
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Fri Jul-03-15 12:31 PM
washibgton is supposedly in the hunt but I think only if lma signs with sa that's his fallback
2462575, Robin Lopez officially signs with NEW YORK, 4 yrs for $54 mill
Posted by Starks dunked on Bulls, Fri Jul-03-15 01:14 PM
2462580, Sacto signs Bellinelli 3 years/19 mil
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Jul-03-15 01:52 PM
.
2462594, aka the older version of Stauskas...lol smh.
Posted by guru0509, Fri Jul-03-15 03:05 PM
2462585, Wiz: Gary Neal. 1yr 2.1
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Fri Jul-03-15 02:26 PM
2462590, Deandre on the verge of accepting mavs offer according to stein.
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Fri Jul-03-15 02:49 PM
parsons calipari
2462591, aaaaand zee clipps are "proper fucked", as they say.
Posted by dula dibiasi, Fri Jul-03-15 02:53 PM
2462592, As fucked as the Clippers will be
Posted by Numba_33, Fri Jul-03-15 02:56 PM
they'll still be better than the Mavericks will be even if DeAndre signs with them. That is a gaping hole in the middle for the Clippers though.
2462596, i can't even call it.
Posted by dula dibiasi, Fri Jul-03-15 03:07 PM
i don't think most realize exactly how important DAJ was to that team. and they literally have no means whatsoever of replacing him.

i have no clue what that team's gonna look like next season. if they win 55, wouldn't surprise me. if they miss the playoffs, wouldn't surprise me. no idea.
2462598, Outside of the gaping hole in the middle
Posted by Numba_33, Fri Jul-03-15 03:13 PM
There's also the fact both Chris Paul and Blake have been injury riddled in prior years. Not that he's as good, but the Clippers easily could have signed Robin Lopez. He's miles better than the alternatives on the market now.

Watching Lance Stephenson navigate this debacle next year should be some fun.
2462601, with what?
Posted by dula dibiasi, Fri Jul-03-15 03:19 PM
>Not that he's as good, but the
>Clippers easily could have signed Robin Lopez.

they're capped, dude. they can't sign ANYBODY. that's my point, that's what i'm saying. they own DAJ's bird rights so they could've gone over the cap to resign him, but they can't sign any outside free agents.

they literally can't replace him.
2462593, https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/cp3bugginatdj.gif?w=650
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Jul-03-15 02:57 PM
https://uproxx.files.wordpress.com/2015/03/cp3bugginatdj.gif?w=650
2462595, Deal is done....4/80
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Jul-03-15 03:05 PM
https://twitter.com/ESefko/status/617060727753277440

Woooooow.
2462597, #CPPlea bad leader.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Fri Jul-03-15 03:12 PM
2462604, https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJBDNC9XAAA6eYe.jpg:large
Posted by dula dibiasi, Fri Jul-03-15 03:29 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJBDNC9XAAA6eYe.jpg:large
2462611, archive
Posted by cgonz00cc, Fri Jul-03-15 04:30 PM
2462618, lol
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Jul-03-15 06:07 PM
.
2462599, RE: it's interesting cause mavs don't get better just kinda younger
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Fri Jul-03-15 03:15 PM
They still need pieces.
2462638, RE: it's interesting cause mavs don't get better just kinda younger
Posted by murph71, Fri Jul-03-15 07:48 PM


The only way DJ works is if Dallas somehow lands Ty Lawson....If they don't get a "good" PG dude is going to be a glorified garbage man...
2462605, Never wanted Jordan, I'm straight
Posted by Starks dunked on Bulls, Fri Jul-03-15 03:32 PM
>parsons calipari
2462630, good now send Blake & CP3 across the street
Posted by LegacyNS, Fri Jul-03-15 07:06 PM
and Clippers can assume their role of ass crack butter.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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2462658, Send Blake over. Paul can stay.
Posted by Cold Truth, Fri Jul-03-15 09:39 PM
2462607, What could the clippers get for cp3 if they wanted a full rebuild
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Fri Jul-03-15 04:07 PM
around Blake?

Who says no first in a kyrie for cp3 swap?
2462612, i dont think either side says no
Posted by cgonz00cc, Fri Jul-03-15 04:31 PM
Altho both would want a 1st from the other
2462613, i know they are friends but I don't see CP3 deferring to Lebron...
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Jul-03-15 04:42 PM
and playing off the ball

>around Blake?
>
>Who says no first in a kyrie for cp3 swap?
2462617, I think bron happily defers if its cp3
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Fri Jul-03-15 05:42 PM
2462622, without question.
Posted by dula dibiasi, Fri Jul-03-15 06:28 PM
paul's his best friend in the league, even more so than d wade and melo. he respects that guy as much as he does anyone. he'd gladly defer.

it's not like lebron _wants_ to be the primary playmaker at this point in his career. he does it out of necessity.
2462731, RE: What could the clippers get for cp3 if they wanted a full rebuild
Posted by murph71, Sat Jul-04-15 08:22 AM


That trade makes too much sense....That's why it's never going to happen....
2462894, as a fan of both, HELL THE FUCK NAW
Posted by Dr Claw, Sat Jul-04-15 03:00 PM
this party is going to go for as long as it needs to be

2462616, C. Brewer - Rox 3/24
Posted by LAbeathustla, Fri Jul-03-15 05:06 PM
https://twitter.com/WojYahooNBA/status/617091574443327488

Free agent Corey Brewer has agreed to a three-year, $24 million deal to return to the Houston Rockets, league sources tell Yahoo Sports.
2462620, Rondo to the Kings. 1 year, 9.5 mil.
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Jul-03-15 06:14 PM
RBO...you were right.

EDIT: 9.5, not 10.
2462621, LOL...they trying to make Karl's head pop off
Posted by Dstl1, Fri Jul-03-15 06:18 PM
.
2462623, And now it is complete
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Fri Jul-03-15 06:32 PM
2462632, LOL at Vivek trying to get Karl to quit.
Posted by Kira, Fri Jul-03-15 07:10 PM
Who else is watching Kings games for the Rondo/George Karl dynamic. Shit is going to make first-year Spo/Kang look like Family Matters.

Rondo and Boogie Cuban B'ing the shit out of everything Karl says. This is the year we see real tension between coach and player.

If Rondo was going to accept that deal then why not come to another team. $9.5 mill is damn near backup money.
2462646, Sorry LABEathustla. Bev back 4/25
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Fri Jul-03-15 08:43 PM
ojnarowski] Patrick Beverley has agreed to a four-year, $25M deal to return to Houston, agent Kevin Bradbury tells Yahoo Sports. (twitter.com)

WOulda made a nice compliment to the Sac Bad Boys team too though
2462733, morey is a g. That's a GREAT contract
Posted by bshelly, Sat Jul-04-15 08:24 AM
2462657, Derrick Williams 2/10 Knicks
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Fri Jul-03-15 09:37 PM
2462659, Tobias back to orlando
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Fri Jul-03-15 09:40 PM
2462660, 4/64
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Fri Jul-03-15 09:45 PM
2462689, Now this I'm upset about.
Posted by Ryan M, Sat Jul-04-15 12:33 AM
22. Perfect guy to play with the rooks. Ah well.
2462736, Millsap choosing ATL meant Orl was matching all offers for Harris
Posted by LA2Philly, Sat Jul-04-15 08:29 AM
No surprise here
2462748, magic 3/15 cj watson
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Sat Jul-04-15 08:56 AM
good backup pg for them
2462805, LMA SPURS
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Sat Jul-04-15 11:15 AM
2462811, Welp, no point in watching the NBA next season. It's a wrap
Posted by Lach, Sat Jul-04-15 11:26 AM
If the Spurs don't win 62 games and the chip I'd be more shocked than when the Mavs got bounced in the 1st round by the Warriors in '07.
2462813, Gotta keep Tony upright still.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Sat Jul-04-15 11:33 AM
If he's not good to go in the playoffs, they'll lose.
2462817, And like I mentioned in the other thread pertaining to Aldridge
Posted by Numba_33, Sat Jul-04-15 11:40 AM
He's going to be the starting center, assuming Duncan doesn't come off the bench next year, which is different form the role he assuming in Portland. Regardless if this doesn't result in short terms success, this is a great long term W in terms of having Aldridge and Kawhi to build around in the future.
2462823, They'll both start. Tim will play Center. They will win a lot.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Sat Jul-04-15 11:48 AM
2462828, Seems like it would be more prudent
Posted by Numba_33, Sat Jul-04-15 11:56 AM
to put Aldridge at the 5 to save Duncan the wear and tear of having to guard and box out bigs in the paint for 82 games, but I suppose time will tell. I wonder what kind of discount Duncan is going to take to accommodate Aldridge's salary.
2462895, Aldridge didn't even meet with NYK cuz they wanted him at C
Posted by celery77, Sat Jul-04-15 03:02 PM
LaMarcus will play 4 in San Antonio, because that's his position. He doesn't play C.
2462831, they're #1 with a bullet healthy...
Posted by LegacyNS, Sat Jul-04-15 12:01 PM

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2462835, I have to disagree, sir.
Posted by Numba_33, Sat Jul-04-15 12:05 PM
I don't see Parker or Ginobli having the legs after the end of an 82 game season to match-up defensively with Golden State, even with Kawhi being a presence for the Spurs on the defensive end. This is still a hell of a movie for the long term though to have Kawhi and Aldridge to build a franchise around, but I still think the Warriors beat them in a seven game series.
2462845, if GS is good enough to win beat SA in a series they repeat.
Posted by LegacyNS, Sat Jul-04-15 12:19 PM

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2462818, goddammit
Posted by Dr Claw, Sat Jul-04-15 11:41 AM
very well. Gauntlet down.
2462838, man I am starting to believe y'all cursed now..
Posted by LegacyNS, Sat Jul-04-15 12:09 PM
I mean, y'all can still win but got damn y'all gotta climb a tall ass mountain..


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2462855, not scared of that team. too many old niggas.
Posted by Basaglia, Sat Jul-04-15 01:03 PM
2462890, they were old when they beat the hell outta the Heat too.. lol
Posted by LegacyNS, Sat Jul-04-15 02:24 PM

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2462892, yeah...heat had old niggas too.
Posted by Basaglia, Sat Jul-04-15 02:56 PM
2462896, Just means they absolutely need to retain as much
Posted by Dr Claw, Sat Jul-04-15 03:02 PM
of last year's team as possible and hit a home run on that backup guard.

Kyrie is the salvo to the "Kawhi Problem" as demonstrated earlier

I just don't like them getting another offensive option esp. a younger one

It's really a good thing that their oldest non-Duncan players are the guards.

2462913, k - lol
Posted by LegacyNS, Sat Jul-04-15 04:28 PM

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2462826, *cup of water rumbles*
Posted by Ryan M, Sat Jul-04-15 11:53 AM
2462829, hahaha - they pissing all over Bron's homecoming...
Posted by LegacyNS, Sat Jul-04-15 12:00 PM

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2462901, He made the right choice
Posted by LA2Philly, Sat Jul-04-15 03:20 PM
I think the Suns youth definitely had him thinking about going there and being with that core for all 3-4 years....but in the end, Pop and SA's success, culture, honest team identity is the smart choice. Best run organization in all of sports, their sustained longevity in today's age of free agency is the ultimate testament to Buford and Pop.
2462912, sidenote...has anyone here ever been to San Antonio?
Posted by guru0509, Sat Jul-04-15 04:25 PM
what is that city even like?

2462816, Cuban says DeAndre can be "Shaq-like". I hope they make the offs now
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Sat Jul-04-15 11:39 AM
So the Kings can play them in the 1st round
2462824, they gassed him up good
Posted by Kungset, Sat Jul-04-15 11:50 AM
2462832, That's strictly for the fans and no one else.
Posted by Numba_33, Sat Jul-04-15 12:02 PM
I'm almost certain DeAndre himself doesn't think he's the next coming of Shaq or 'Shaq-like'.

I'd like to see Mark Cuban present the idea of DeAndre being "Shaq-like" to the panel on his Shark Tank show to see their reactions.
2462836, https://media4.giphy.com/media/W4U8gUbK5G2go/200_s.gif
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Sat Jul-04-15 12:05 PM
https://media4.giphy.com/media/W4U8gUbK5G2go/200_s.gif
2462908, Lol. That's a very liberal use of the "-like" suffix
Posted by LA2Philly, Sat Jul-04-15 03:58 PM
2462842, Is it me or has Feel quietly done better than expected?
Posted by Kira, Sat Jul-04-15 12:16 PM
Dat Zingis
Jerian Grant
Arron Afflalo
Robin Lopez
Derrick Williams

^^ That's not exactly tanking.

All they have to do now is hire Thibs in some capacity and they'll have something to look forward to besides Melo's ball stopping/gunning.
2462847, that team some shit
Posted by Basaglia, Sat Jul-04-15 12:21 PM
2462848, It's just you
Posted by Starks dunked on Bulls, Sat Jul-04-15 12:21 PM
>Dat Zingis
>Jerian Grant
>Arron Afflalo
>Robin Lopez
>Derrick Williams
>
>^^ That's not exactly tanking.
>
>All they have to do now is hire Thibs in some capacity and
>they'll have something to look forward to besides Melo's ball
>stopping/gunning.

Derrick Williams is awful.
2462891, You musta had some extremely low expectations
Posted by Cenario, Sat Jul-04-15 02:41 PM
2462893, no, it doesn't reach expectations IMO
Posted by Dr Claw, Sat Jul-04-15 02:58 PM
but absent Dat Zingis (I need to see him actually play in the NBA) that's not TOO bad considering

2462911, its just you
Posted by guru0509, Sat Jul-04-15 04:19 PM
2462934, Their best pickup was Kyle O'Quinn.
Posted by Frank Longo, Sat Jul-04-15 06:24 PM
Not a joke.
2462951, ur right...he has actually done ok
Posted by sndesai1, Sat Jul-04-15 07:26 PM
nothing spectacular but better than flailing around like the fucking kings
2462977, He's trying to kill melo.
Posted by gmltheone, Sat Jul-04-15 10:01 PM
>Dat Zingis
>Jerian Grant
>Arron Afflalo
>Robin Lopez
>Derrick Williams
>
>^^ That's not exactly tanking.
>
>All they have to do now is hire Thibs in some capacity and
>they'll have something to look forward to besides Melo's ball
>stopping/gunning.


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Same as it ever was!
2462863, Oh btw. Spurs still pursuing David West
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Sat Jul-04-15 01:20 PM
Theyre going heads up vs the Cavs there. Should be fun
2462914, Lakers pursuing Hibbert
Posted by Kira, Sat Jul-04-15 04:40 PM
http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/07/04/report-lakers-actively-discussing-trade-for-roy-hibbert-with-pacers/
2462916, Done. Hibbert mask and gunning LA
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Sat Jul-04-15 04:42 PM
@JaredZwerling: Hearing the Lakers-Pacers deal is done involving Roy Hibbert. Just a matter of the assets involved now.
2462922, I'm good with this. Esp if we get another asset somehow.
Posted by Ryan M, Sat Jul-04-15 05:37 PM
Hibbert was a very good C just 2 years ago.
2462923, Nope. You guys have up cash and 2nd rd pick
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Sat Jul-04-15 05:39 PM
but I agree Hubert is good defensively- won't have the defense look embarrassingly bad but not good enough to win you games: if you guys get your shit together soon he's a good defensive anchor at c
2462924, Bummer on giving up more but...
Posted by Ryan M, Sat Jul-04-15 05:51 PM
This dude had a down year but is a very good defensive presence. I'm hopeful.
2462936, The key is you dont want to get embarrassed
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Sat Jul-04-15 06:27 PM
but you dont want to win more cause it jeapardizes that bottom 3 pick
2462944, Lakers don't have a pick next year
Posted by MothershipConnection, Sat Jul-04-15 06:49 PM
So they might as well be as good as they can be.
2462948, They do
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Sat Jul-04-15 06:55 PM
But its only top 3 protected.

http://www.prosportstransactions.com/basketball/DraftTrades/Future/Lakers.htm
2462949, Oh OK didn't realize it was top 3 protected
Posted by MothershipConnection, Sat Jul-04-15 07:04 PM
I think they'll be better than a bottom 3 team though, they were worse this year and they still didn't finish that bad.
2462943, shut up shawn..hibbert sux bawls and you know it
Posted by LAbeathustla, Sat Jul-04-15 06:45 PM
2462947, hes no dwight howard :)
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Sat Jul-04-15 06:53 PM
but hes better than Jordan hill
2462974, is he tho???
Posted by LAbeathustla, Sat Jul-04-15 09:45 PM
>but hes better than Jordan hill
2462989, 1000000%
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Sat Jul-04-15 10:43 PM