..let's get it.


*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

All this talk about Boogie has me geekin. I'd hate for my squad to give up Randle, Clarkson, and that 2nd pick for him. Fuggit though especially if LaMarcus done sent word through back channels that he wants to join Boogie in LA.

Would be nice if the squad could give up Randle, Clarkson, and that 20-something pick for Boogie. Keep the 2nd pick and draft Russell to partner with Boogster and Sir Nose for the future.

And if that trade don't go down, I still want Russell instead of Okafor.

give em whatever they want for boogie.

A worse fate than death.

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>All this talk about Boogie has me geekin. I'd hate for my
>squad to give up Randle, Clarkson, and that 2nd pick for him.
>Fuggit though especially if LaMarcus done sent word through
>back channels that he wants to join Boogie in LA.
>
>Would be nice if the squad could give up Randle, Clarkson, and
>that 20-something pick for Boogie. Keep the 2nd pick and draft
>Russell to partner with Boogster and Sir Nose for the future.
>
>And if that trade don't go down, I still want Russell instead
>of Okafor.

You want to give up #27, Randle, and Clarkson for Boogie? That's all you want to give up. For 24 yr old all-star big on a friendly 3yr deal. Any deal for him starts with that #2 pick and you're probably going to have to eat a dead deal too.
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>You want to give up #27, Randle, and Clarkson for Boogie?
>That's all you want to give up. For 24 yr old all-star big on
>a friendly 3yr deal. Any deal for him starts with that #2
>pick and you're probably going to have to eat a dead deal too.
>

for a temperamental "24 year old all-star big on a friendly 3yr deal."

LOL

Man, I can dream! Right?

From all the reports over The last 24 hours leads me to believe this won't happen and if it does, it would require at least that much and possibly taking back Landry bloated contract.

I'm cool with hanging on to our assets and generally prefer to bide our time, but Boogie is the one guy that's available who I'd mortgage those assets for, especially since we'd still have cap space to flesh out a roster this year and enough to go after a max guy, maybe two, next year, because there's nobody available right now that I care to spend big money on.

>From all the reports over The last 24 hours leads me to
>believe this won't happen and if it does, it would require at
>least that much and possibly taking back Landry bloated
>contract.
>
>I'm cool with hanging on to our assets and generally prefer to
>bide our time, but Boogie is the one guy that's available who
>I'd mortgage those assets for, especially since we'd still
>have cap space to flesh out a roster this year and enough to
>go after a max guy, maybe two, next year, because there's
>nobody available right now that I care to spend big money on.
>
>

Over two completely unknown quantities and one with intriguing potential. Boogie is a beast and might well prove to be the closest thing to Shaw we'll see for a decade.

You get him and we'll a guy to make guys like Durant and Westbrook seriously consider coming over. Can you imagine how much MORE of a terror Westbrook would be with a guy like Cuz in the paint? Or Durant? Yeah, a top flight center on The Lakers of all places would be a serious draw to the great guards and wings who might be available.

I like the chances of creating another great guard/center tandem if we have Boogie and I'll happily roll the dice on that one.


they can keep the #6.

but you're potentially giving up, and i think i'm being conservative, 20/9 and 15/7, and then Clarkson on top of that?

Has a considerable "maybe" that he hasn't even reached his ceiling.

Yep, I'd swap three kids with potential for a grown ass man who just entered the very beginning of his prime at a time when cap space is in abundance and will increase dramatically a year from now.

If we didn't have the financial flexibility to surround him with superstar talent so quickly, I'd be less willing to give up so much.

In terms of timing, now is the perfect time for such a bold move.

20/9 players don't grow on trees, man.

15/7 is being very generous to Clarkson, too. Hell, there's only 10 players averaging 7 assists per game or more right now.

We know what we're getting in Cuz and it's an awful lot.

What we could be getting with the kids is also an awful lot and I love that potential.

Both paths appwar to have a solid floor with an impressive ceiling, but for me the deciding factor is the known quantity of Cuz over the unknown quantity of the kids.

>20/9 players don't grow on trees, man.

but that's exactly my point with Okafor. his problems are on the defensive end, 20 points for him is pretty much what i expect

if they want Randle on top of the 2nd pick, they gotta give us the 6th

boogie is already a beast and he's only gonna be 25 going into this season.

I just don't want to make any trades, not even for Boogie. He's a good player, but I just don't feel desperate enough to get him for giving up the #2 AND Randle and/or Clarkson...that's just way too much of our young nucleus gone.

I don't care for having Lamarcus and Demarcus together, either. Them fools names rhyme, that's wild. But having them two just seems a bit redundant...I'd rather have a fast, legit guard to pair with them. So if we can just draft Russell, then sign Lamarcus, I'm happy.

>I don't care for having Lamarcus and Demarcus together,
>either. Them fools names rhyme, that's wild.

lol

>
>I don't care for having Lamarcus and Demarcus together,
>either. Them fools names rhyme, that's wild.

1. Russell
2. Okafor
3. Boogie and #6 for #2, Randle, Clarkson
4. Boogie for #2, Randle OR Clarkson




109. Dat Zingis


Whatever, today's gonna be fun as fuck

assuming they can draft Winslow there.

He'd be a decent pick in later rounds. Who's really tryna teach a lottery pick to shoot and dribble?

If the Lakers took him that high, I'd be pissed and consider trading in my lifelong Lakers fandom for a ride on the GSW bus.

get a strong point guard and if Aldridge signs, that's a solid lineup.

What can he do, catch alleyoops only???

I read somewhere the other day that he is essentially a guy with a bunch of energy (STRENGTH) but no discernible skill (WEAKNESS). Below is a new piece where he is compared to Michale Kidd Gilchrist.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/small-giants-justise-winslow-stanley-johnson-rondae-hollis-jefferson-and-the-changing-shape-of-the-nba/


Would i like him on the squad one day? Yes. Just not now and definitely not as a lottery pick.

>I read somewhere the other day that he is essentially a guy
>with a bunch of energy (STRENGTH) but no discernible skill
>(WEAKNESS).

Literally *no one* who watched Winslow this year can possibly think this.

The dude can turn out to be awesome. I don't believe he is a lottery player. Lottery players, especially those taken in the top half of the lottery, are the guys I believe SHOULD BE franchise players at some point. I don't see Winslow as one.

>Lottery players, especially those taken in the
>top half of the lottery, are the guys I believe SHOULD BE
>franchise players at some point. I don't see Winslow as one.

I want to transition to the notion that every lottery player-- even every lottery player in the top 8 picks-- is supposed to be a franchise player. Because there aren't 16 players with franchise potential in *any* draft.

>>Lottery players, especially those taken in the
>>top half of the lottery, are the guys I believe SHOULD BE
>>franchise players at some point. I don't see Winslow as one.
>
>
>I want to transition to the notion that every lottery player--
>even every lottery player in the top 8 picks-- is supposed to
>be a franchise player. Because there aren't 16 players with
>franchise potential in *any* draft.

should be in taken in the top 8. At worst, a future #2 option or sidekick is to be taken in the first 8. I see Winslow being a high energy guy with a motor that doesn't stop as Kiper would say. LOL

Seriously, I see Winslow as a guy who will defend well and play excellent Draymond Green type ball. Is that worth a top 6 pick when more skilled players are "ranked" below that point?

Granted, you're going nearly exclusively off of what you've read instead of seen, but I am curious as to what you're reading.

Booker and Lyles are more "skilled," but neither have the strength, athleticism, speed, defense, or height of overall ceiling of Winslow.

Some of the post-lottery guards have more "skill," but same thing as above.

Stanley Johnson and Kelly Oubre are worse shooters, worse ballhandlers, and can't finish at the cup. Also worse rebounders. Also worse defenders.

WCS can't play offense. Myles Turner can't move his hips.

I'm struggling to see who should fill out the top 8, much less the LOTTERY as you originally said, ahead of Winslow.

If the Lakers could trade back and get him between 12 - 16, I'd be cool with it. At 6, if we had to stay there, I'd take a flyer on the potential of the Zingis cat since he supposedly has an all around game and can put in work down in the paint as well as on the perimeter.

I don't believe that there is a player, in the lottery, that can really help the Lakers next year outside of the consensus top 3 players: Towns, Russell, and Okafor.

So you're naming players who won't be there to take at 6 instead of Winslow. Just so you know.

... but I thought his fundamentals aren't as strong as some are making them out to be. Granted, it's easy to play with a little less effort when surrounded by Hollis-Jefferson, Ashley, and Tarczewski instead of Jones, Cook, and Okafor, but I thought Winslow's effort was more consistent, less likely to get lost on screens, etc.

It's nitpicky at the end of the day, because the difference in defense is minimal. The other things are why I'd draft him first.

>The dude can turn out to be awesome. I don't believe he is a
>lottery player. Lottery players, especially those taken in the
>top half of the lottery, are the guys I believe SHOULD BE
>franchise players at some point. I don't see Winslow as one.

It's different every year. Some years there's 8 top level guys, some years there's 2. A guy taken with a top pick should be someone that can help your team win, he doesn't have to be the star.

>It's different every year. Some years there's 8 top level
>guys, some years there's 2. A guy taken with a top pick should
>be someone that can help your team win, he doesn't have to be
>the star.

Should be!

However, I believe that anyone in the lottery should become the best or second best player on a team within a few years of being drafted. I don't see Winslow in that way. Can he be a really good player? Yes! Is he going to be the best or second best player on a team? No! For that reason alone, I can't see and wouldn't like my beloved Lakers taking him at #6.

I don't see Winslow in that way. Can he be a
>really good player? Yes! Is he going to be the best or second
>best player on a team? No! For that reason alone, I can't see
>and wouldn't like my beloved Lakers taking him at #6.

Your "alone" reason is based on barely watching him at all! You're basing it on reasons that are patently false. Which is your right, mind you, but it should be stated for the record.

He is *easily* good enough to be the second best player on a team.

Lottery pick, and his ceiling is to be the 2nd or 3rd best guy on a championship team. Trying to build a team with him as the star was a failure, he's just not that guy. I think if you draft a guy with the 10th pick (Winslow) and he turns out to have the career of Iggy (9th pick), the team that took him would be happy with that. They can't all be all-stars.

He stills needs work shooting off the dribble, but he has decent enough moves with his handles to get to the cup, and he can catch and shoot 3s at a high clip. He's far from someone who needs to be taught how to shoot and dribble, lol.

Maybe you're thinking of someone else.

to Duke fans. But what I saw of him wasn't tremendously impressive outside of his defensive and rebounding abilities which he had on full displayin the Tournament.

For him, I am relying more so on what I've read. In the end, I will own it if I am wrong but, for now, I'm sticking to the Afro'd bamma not being able to dribble.

Matter of fact, he reminded me of Nique and Drexler when I saw him dribbling the rock.

All he need to do is get an edge on you and he's real good at that.

>RE: i mean he aint breaking nobody ankles but he dont need to
>All he need to do is get an edge on you and he's real good at
>that.

Cuz he ain't breaking ankles either but, once he gets that edge on the defender, it's a wrap.

He won't be *that* dominant at the next level, but his combination of superior athleticism, length, first step speed, strength, and his ability to hit 3s forcing defenses to stay honest should easily help him get to the rim against pro defenders. Most scouts would consider that a given.

He shot over 60% against two of the top 6 defenses in the country in the tournament. Not all "alley-oops" and transition baskets either.

Come on, man. Watch the games. They're out there! It's *easy* to see, even in just the tournament, that the kid is *incredibly* skilled.

He's not Kyrie with his handles or Jordan with his jumpshot, but for a 19-year-old, both are fine-- and his jumper for a 19-year-old would be considered good in all aspects (except for off the dribble, which most college freshmen can't do anyway).

RE: So his 48.8% shooting from 3 in the tourney wasn't impressive?

seen much of him outside of the tourney games where he put on a little show. Over the years, I have relied upon the opinion of many of you for some of these cats. Seriously, that percentage is pretty high and is exceptional at that level.

So, I'm gonna jump out there and believe he's awesome just like I did when I followed a LessonHeads advice and bought Shuggie Otis' album. LOL

How many years before he turns into a franchise player or does it stand that he will be Tony Allen Part Deux?

I'm not convinced Winslow is a franchise player, but he has massively high potential. Some are saying Ron Artest, which I don't disagree with, really. I like to say a slightly smaller MKG with a jumpshot. Either way, I see a kid who should make an All-Star game at some point, which would absolutely be worth drafting from 4 onward in this particular draft.

I just don't want him being drafted by the Purple and Gold. If he eventually gets there as a Lakers player, then cool. Otherwise, he can be drafted and developed elsewhere.

And I'm not claiming he's gonna be a bum or bust. I just don't see him as a top 6 player.

and Cousins. Who would you like to see them draft there?

the top 10 for. Russell would more than likely be gone by then. I don't take too kindly to Euro players. So, I'd like to see the Lakers trade back to grab a lower pick (no less than 16th) and a future first rounder. At a lower pick, we could grab Jerian Grant or Cameron Payne.

The Celtics are looking to get into the top 10 and hold the 16th pick and have multiple picks in upcoming years. Wonder if Ainge would make a deal with the Lakers?

We'll still have some cap space this year a nd serious cap space next year.

Boogie's contract is org-friendly...meaning that they'd still have enough after absorbing his and Landry's deal to get a good/great player.

If I'm a Laker fan, I'd try to get Boogie as well. As much as I like Randle, you always go with the proven player...and it's not like Boogie's old

If Sac wants Randle, Clarkson and the #2 for Boogie, get Boogie, absorb a deal and try to get a 2nd rounder

Boogie possibly in LA, LMA possibly in SA, KD back...shit.

>Boogie possibly in LA, LMA possibly in LA, KD back...shit.

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I'd like to see them take Russell. Okafor could turn out to be a solid pro, I just don't have a good feeling about him...not based on any facts, just a gut feeling.

Chad Ford is saying that concerns over Cauley-Stein's ankles could cause him to slide. And given the amount of bigs in the draft, Kevon Looney's hip injury seems to be pushing him down the board.

He also says that Cauley-Stein isn't an Ainge pick which would piss me off if we let him slide or passed up a chance to trade up and get him.

Meanwhile, Frank the Tank is now projected 4 - 9 as Phil, MJ, and others have fallen for him.

>Meanwhile, Frank the Tank is now projected 4 - 9 as Phil, MJ,
>and others have fallen for him.



Ha! Knick fans r going to burn down Barclays if that happens.....lol

and there hasn't been another, similar slide (HEZONJA! also, can we just nickname him White Mamba now?), i'm gonna be angry as fuck.

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Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario
It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious

There may need to be a cage match for rights to the nickname.

they're the same type of asshole. plus the lakers/celtics, plus the black/white, plus the shared euro experience. IT'S TOO FUCKING PERFECT.

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Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario
It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2458379&mesg_id=2458379&page=#2458939

lol.....

There's no mystery to who my team is going to take, it's not dependent on who the other teams ahead of us draft, and unless Flip trades AB to get back into the late first round, I won't go through my annual draft day "try and spin this in my head to convince me this isn't going to ruin the franchise's future" rationalizing.

I feel like I should pretend to be a Knicks fan today, just so I can feel that rush.

Don't get cute, don't try to be the smartest guys in the room. Let me finish up Season 2 of The Americans tonight. The end.



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Russell's stock is too high for the Lakers to pass on him.

They better have their plan b ready.

id be fine with mudiay. get the 1 and make it work.

Russell would be an instant star in Philly

The Americans is the single best drama on TV

I burned through the first 7 eps too fast tho. Need to slow down and enjoy the last few. Been avoiding that thread in PTP too.

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edit: hell yeah it's on Prime

Third season aired earlier this year, so it can be purchased via Amazon/Google/itunes (or probably located via other, less legal means if you're into that sort of thing.)

but all of mine are on the DVR...
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I have some questions about Okafor and of course as a Sixers big man a career-ending injury or fiery death seems imminent. But he is a very legit big. I don't see anyone else like him in the draft, whereas I see players who are a similar style and could potentially be as effective as Russell.

You can check it out on our podcast: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/2.1-seconds-to-madness/id731295234?mt=2

I'll also be tweeting thoughts about the picks as they come from our twitter, http://twitter.com/Seconds2Madness, so feel free to harass me over there tonight.

And by bust, I mean his numbers won't meet the expected value is for his pick #, based on this: http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

Might be 4-5 rating points away at that, after 5-6 years.

https://twitter.com/vjl_bball/status/582576183553884160

i'm sure there are ways to argue around this but that is a blaring red siren to me lol

Who knows since it's impossible to tell from reports what these guys are really like but Bargs's main problem was that he was a lazy, entitled fuckwad. Porzingis reportedly wants to be good on defense and has a drive to prove that he's not another euro-stiff. (And not to defend Bargs but as shitty as he's been, he's still a 15ppg scorer over his career so he has some use.)

Whether that translates once he becomes a multi-millionaire in America remains to be seen.

As I noted in my mock, the thing that I like about him is that he is one of the few Euros who pulled out of the draft and saw his stock rise. Either guys like Bargs or Vesely ride the initial buzz to the lotto or guys like Pavel, Lampe, etc. pull out of the draft and then see their stock fall.

He's averaged decent points every year, but hasn't played over 66 games in five years...66, 31, 35, 42, and 29 games. So if he had stayed healthy, he might have been decent-good as a whole, but still not worthy of that #1 pick.

So yea, if Zingis even averages a cool 15 PPG career wise, that would be good, and better than what I expect.

Defense was horrid. Wasn't as willing of a passer as one would hope. And his shot was inconsistent, which is all he really offers.

Bargnani, just as many of us have mentioned Darko. I donno....I just feel like we've seen this too many times, and it's not gonna be pretty.

If I'm wrong, I'll accept the L if y'all spark one up for me. But I don't expect to be taking one.

Bargnani wowed with his skill and blinded people to his athletic ability, which was very limited. Zingis looks quicker and more mobile to me. So if he's just as skilled and more athletic, he is gonna be very good.

I know Towns is supposed to be the #1 pick, but it would suck if Okafor ends up having the much better career. It's great that we finally have the #1 pick, but it just sucks it didn't come at a time when there was a consensus #1. Towns, Wiggins, Rubio, and LaVine should be exciting as hell though. Here's to the playoffs in a few years!

Assuming none of the young guys get injury prone.

Wiggins, Shabazz and KAT are potentially a really good 2/3/4. Rubio might never play an 82 game season, and I'm not sure if Lavine can handle being a full time PG. I assume Dieng will be the starting center when the season starts, not sure where/if Pekovic fits when he comes back.

Even with those three (and a healthy Rubio/vastly improved Lavine,) there is not even close to enough depth to make a playoff run in the West.

http://i.imgur.com/5nL8HGA.png

lol, yea. good luck with that.

From what I've read and seen, it's pretty clear consensus that D'Angelo is the top guard in the draft, possibly the 2nd best player overall.

sixer fans too

Was in the city over the weekend and D'Angelo >>> Mudiay was the overwhelming consensus I got from the Knicks fans I spoke to. Obviously anecdotal evidence though lol.

>

And Guru knows I like D-Russ too. Just like Mudiay better.

I'll take that side of the agenda with no questions.

Mudiay in anything in at least a year (if ever.)

How can there possibly be "no debate" at this point?

yes russell was clearly going to go first just like paul was ahead of deron, but there was stil a cmon ... contingent, no?

http://twitter.com/Seconds2Madness

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Ha!....I knew it...

Oh well.

Let's get LMA now

I worry about injuries and the beginning of breaking down.

Don't get me wrong, I dig a lineup of LA, Russell, Randle, Clarkson, Kobe, and whatever spare parts we Draft and pickup in free agency this year. I'd just rather give that money to Love at 26 than LA at 30

Buckner: LaMarcus Aldridge "Wants That Luxury Of Playing With A Dominant Center"
http://www.blazersedge.com/2013/1/23/3908340/buckner-lamarcus-aldridge-wants-that-luxury-of-playing-with-a

>Buckner: LaMarcus Aldridge "Wants That Luxury Of Playing With
>A Dominant Center"
>http://www.blazersedge.com/2013/1/23/3908340/buckner-lamarcus-aldridge-wants-that-luxury-of-playing-with-a

LA gets his with body positioning, footwork, and good hands. I think he's going to age well into his 30s.

http://probasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/06/25/report-kings-owner-vivek-ranadive-frustrated-with-george-karls-lobbying-for-demarcus-cousins-trade/

*Scust at this entire situation*

Please trade Boogie to LA.

The new one is being called a "godfather offer" for #3 if LA takes Russell.

The offer is supposedly Smart, 16, and 28.

Lol.

Still a shit offer.
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god damn...that scarlet and grey lookin dapper.

your alma mater's colors are trash btw. Especially if it includes blue.

Mean

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Man, shit! LAKERS better go Russell at #2!

Kobe is probably shittin his pants right now thinking this kid is a younger Shaq!

That's the only explanation for (a) the insistence above that Winslow isn't a star despite admitting you haven't really watched him, and (b) picking on a kid for eating dinner before the biggest night of his life.

Otherwise, I'm baffled.

This might be the most sensitive I've seen anyone get over a comment aimed at a player.

Anti Duke agenda? Yeah, those Duke boys are such victims. You sound like Bill O'Rielly going off over the Liberal Agenda. It's a little uncharacteristic.

He ranted about how Winslow, a player he admitted he'd rarely ever seen, wouldn't be a star for reasons that are acknowledged as not true by everyone who's seen him.

And he ranted in the other post how Okafor, who plays on Winslow's team, is going to be a bust. Starting at it again here.

How am I supposed to take it when a guy coincidentally talks about how two players from the same team are overrated when the same guy admits he hasn't really seen those guys play?

EDIT: he also admitted he "grew up as a UNC fan." And he's coincidentally singling out the two Duke players he's rarely seen as disappointments? Am I really *that* crazy for thinking that bias may play a *small* role? lol http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2432610&mesg_id=2432610&listing_type=search

It's just that you're typically even keeled, so it stood out.

I wouldn't have played that card unless I had a real suspicion, lol. The UNC thing was just icing on the cake.

=chewing food during training session=chewing food everywhere

No Duke agenda
Never said either would be a bust
I did say that MY PREFERENCE is the guy that was just drafted.

That's where you're wrong... I've nothing against Duke players at all. I respect that program more than many others. Coach K has built probably the best program in collegiate basketball.

My comment was about the cat chewing on food while being interviewed and how that could give Kobe the shits.

Don't reach!

It feels like the Lakers can't lose. I'm excited about Okafor, Russell, or Boogie. LETS GO

... but Russell would still be really great for years to come.

win win


g'luck

Greedy and Jah in the same sentence?

Just messing with you...

Man, this is the most excited I've been in years. We've got money to spend in free agency and have the ability to add top talent via the draft.

I have no clue after #1

We don't have any kind of franchise big man curse or anything (shout out to Felton Spencer though,) but I'm not used to being in an enviable position. It's unnerving.

Quick, give Chase Budinger a huge contract.

FRANK THE TANK KAMINSKY

Tops

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/stevenandalangc3.jpg

NOPE, WE FRIENDS.

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Celts about to make Sixers a godfather offer according to twitter.

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I now went from pleasantly indifferent to hating this kid's guy. SAME GUY, NEW SHIRT! BOOOOOOOOOOO! (c) Jerry Seinfeld

Did I not say they would go BPA and give ZERO fucks about his presence?

I am just looking for a small W on that. Clarkson is a decent player, great as a third guard who backs up both spots. He and Russell will be a combo backcourt as soon as Kobe's inevitable injury happens. I don't think Clarkson can fill it up enough to be a real good two guard but maybe I am wrong.

Ill take my L there if i did But i thought I was saying it SHOULDNT happen. I still think the lakers shouldve taken Jahlil there.

I do think Clarkson and Russell can play together, and think Russell may be the more natural 2 of the two. Either way that can be fluid and they can switch off. Clarkson is the better defener and rebounder, but I was talking to LA@philly the other day-- he showed a real maturity in his game as a pg that a lot of rookie pgs do not - usage or no usage.


You and I will be friends real soon because my guess is Lin ends up a 76er in FA.

>Did I not say they would go BPA and give ZERO fucks about his
>presence?
>
>I am just looking for a small W on that. Clarkson is a decent
>player, great as a third guard who backs up both spots. He and
>Russell will be a combo backcourt as soon as Kobe's inevitable
>injury happens. I don't think Clarkson can fill it up enough
>to be a real good two guard but maybe I am wrong.

>Ill take my L there if i did But i thought I was saying it
>SHOULDNT happen. I still think the lakers shouldve taken
>Jahlil there.

I dunno I will have to look at the thread. I remember the spirit of the exchange more than the details.

I am torn as to what they should have done as I think both guys are very good prospects but I am not feeling *huge* star for either. You want to go big all things and all needs being equal, but obviously they saw something in Russell. I don't think there was a consensus No. 2 pick. Personally I would have taken Okafor, if nothing else I feel like he is the better asset. Philly once again gets a No. 1 caliber pick below No. 1.

>I do think Clarkson and Russell can play together, and think
>Russell may be the more natural 2 of the two. Either way that
>can be fluid and they can switch off. Clarkson is the better
>defener and rebounder, but I was talking to LA@philly the
>other day-- he showed a real maturity in his game as a pg that
>a lot of rookie pgs do not - usage or no usage.

Yeah I don't see any issue with them as a combo backcourt, they have the right size and mix of attributes to pull it off. I am not sold on Clarkson as any kind of star but he can be a starter (I don't think he is yet, he just plays on a *really* bad roster).

>You and I will be friends real soon because my guess is Lin
>ends up a 76er in FA.

I thought we were already friends! It came very close to happening last year. He would definitely help us the same way he helped the Lakers last year, give us an actual pro, a good practice player, a mature guy in the room and, on some nights, some hot play. I don't know that the Sixers will bother getting guys like that though, they appear to be in full-on tank mode still.

you know you love me.

>you know you love me.
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Welcome to Philly Okafor. Right?
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Same as it ever was!

GET ALL THE WAY the FUCK out of here

Them hoes can't do arithmetic

how is the boom or bust thing analytics? It was based off a poll

Mike Gminsky. Elton Brand. S-Dot Murda *ducks bullet*. Uh, Alaa Abdelnaby. Well, OK, it's a developing tradition.

Considering the unsure status of Embiid, that's probably the right move.

Everyone is available for the right price but I don't think Hinkie will take anything less than a king's ransom for him. Having three good bigs is the right kind of problem to have and when two of them have had major injuries it's not a bad way to go forward.

I like it, we took the best available asset whether we keep him or move him. Obviously when I saw Winslow falling I thought "fuck, I wish we had traded down" but I don't mind Okafor at all and of course he could still be moved in another type of deal.

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Laker nation, lemme in.

rest of the brass wanted Russell.

I mean, I read it too. But Mitch keeps things very close to the vest. There's no chance there was truth to this.

won't know how I feel about it until then...
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There really needs to be a class taught in all post-graduate education on understanding real news vs click bait. A whole lot of hacks touting themselves as reporters are generating a whole ton of revenue.

they could give us our pick back for next year and swap Oakafor for Russell..


but either way...

we cloaked..

We'll wear it in January.

He has been awesome from Day 1 in Cameron Indoor. Such great enthusiasm, so genuine. Love love love that dude.

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Now and forever

(I can't even read Twitter right now cause I don't wanna spoil it)

LLS!

Such a shitty look on his face.

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>Such a shitty look on his face.



That kid was MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD.......lol

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIYo2dvW8AADY9I.jpg

PERFECT!

LOL at the Jay Bilas slander.

NYC media is going to fry Feel over this.

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Why for?

Love you, OE.

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https://imgflip.com/i/ney4o

I see no reason he can't play *with* Cousins, two bigs, one focused on O and the other on D.

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So I doubt they had much interest in drafting a PG.

I don't see him and Cousins in the same lineup as irreconcilable

They must not have thought highly of Mudiay and were among a surprisingly large cluster of teams who passed on Winslow. They figure WCS is the BPA and he could either complement Boogie or replace him.

Knicks needs - Everything

To the crying kid. And the booing.
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Melo sick rght now

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GOTTA mean Winslow is gonna be a Piston.

If he can stay healthy, he'll be fine. Even if his shot never fully develops.

I'd be on the phone to Denver RIGHT NOW.

http://t.co/ak92pBxSMD

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Winslow would be a nice fit in Boston.

DUMMYS

It's always funny. Every single fucking time.

I just want him to avoid Utah.

>I just want him to avoid Utah.

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...

It's been more of a when than if for a while now.

https://twitter.com/C_A_Huggins/status/609410127611957250

Yeah...that's what I'm hearing.....Sac Town going after Ty....

And they have to trade to get him. If they can get Rondo on a 1 yr. Boom.

It works on so many levels.

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Gonna be a doozy

i followed that agenda for 3 years. justise been better every step of the way. ain't like the board is invested enough to give a fuck when it's proven on the NBA level.

too small a win a for me.

if you'd like to wait a year, we can go brandon ingram vs. stanley.

>i followed that agenda for 3 years. justise been better every
>step of the way. ain't like the board is invested enough to
>give a fuck when it's proven on the NBA level.
>

Your eye test. Okay.


>too small a win a for me.
>
>if you'd like to wait a year, we can go brandon ingram vs.
>stanley.
>
>
Sure we'll do that too. 2 for 1 special.

I CANT WAIT..HE POSE TO BE IN MSG WIT MELO

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Music/Pix/pictures/2011/9/1/1314874714737/Jack-White-and-Insane-Clo-007.jpg

Sorry closest to an Asian guy with ICP I could find

http://s1.reutersmedia.net/resources/r/?m=02&d=20080318&t=2&i=3561061&w=644&fh=&fw=&ll=&pl=&r=2008-03-18T090542Z_01_HKF078997_RTRUKOP_0_PICTURE0

Still trusting SVG on this tho. He wasnt t he only guy passing on Winslow.

So guess he wasn't ever in the picture.

In this NBA? Yeah man

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Zeller, Morrison, Kaminsky. I think Jorn looks for guy who "embarrass long-armed Africans." You know he was tempted by Doug McDermott.

I'm not sorry

Steal.

>Steal.



Yep^^^^^^^^^^ Lucky fuckers....

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c268/sh0ckdiesel/FrankTheTank.gif

Interesting.

I'm happy now.

He's gonna be good

....

If they resign wade and can stay healthy, that team is going to be so good.

It boggles the mind.

We better get someone good.

If y'all were angry about bad shots not taken by Bron and Kyrie before... lol. He had the ugliest shot of any first round prospects.

theyll try and move hibbert

Adrian Wojnarowski ‏@WojYahooNBA now7 seconds ago
OKC (14th) has been pushing to make a move into Utah's spot (12) in recent days -- and some of Thunder's top targets still on board now.

Though Booker wouldn't hurt.

Dey got bitches and weed in (Utah), right? (c) Fake Andrew Bynum

They went best player available instead of drafting for need. Or maybe they have suitors for Favors. Lyles is an intriguing player to me, I think his numbers probably suffered the most from that deep rotation at Kentucky.

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He gets to ease into a good situation where he won't be relied upon much early but can assume as much responsibility as his play merits. This makes that Reggie Jackson trade, which was already shrewd, look that much better.

Cameron Payne pisses off Russell westbrook

>Cameron Payne pisses off Russell westbrook

Could develop into a guy who can kind of create his own shot, can defend, and can shoot off the catch. Long player, versatile and doesn't need to produce right away since they have a somewhat competitive team.

Oubre is Top 10 talent for a 19th and two future seconds. That's a bargain imo. May not be terribly useful right today... but fuck it, the 19th wouldn't have given them any major difference makers.

I do fear for his development. If Pierce stays and they don't move Webster then I dunno if he gets much PT.

May need a year in D-League. Eventually he's a great guy to bring up behind Beal and Porter off the bench. Besides, assets will probably be dealt to get help for Durant anyhow.

>May need a year in D-League. Eventually he's a great guy to
>bring up behind Beal and Porter off the bench. Besides, assets
>will probably be dealt to get help for Durant anyhow.

Ehh...I would feel better about the D-league if the Wiz had their own team but they don't so he will probably be stuck on the bench looking stupid.

I wish the Wiz could get in on the Cousins deal but I honestly don't know of any attractive assets outside of Beal that they could offer.

I like Oubre at that spot but I just feel like with all the size in this draft, the Wiz could have addressed that need somehow.

He was terrific in much of the playoffs.

Porter came along nicely late in the year

Spread the floor and go. A lot of quickness and length.

Oubre will need a year to pull it together.

Between the NHL and NBA drafts my brain is fried

At 16?!?! He's a shoot-first PG who can't shoot!!

I kinda like Rozier and thought the T+J thread was harsh on him. But I think there were definitely better players on the board here. This is also an odd fit for Boston, who already has some small guards. Maybe they made the pick for someone else?

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If they wanted a PG who can't really shoot but can defend really well, they have Marcus Smart, who is bigger and stronger and better in pretty much every other way.

So obviously I would think it's an awful pick regardless. But *especially* with Smart, who's a bigger smarter and better version of Rozier in every way.

>So obviously I would think it's an awful pick regardless. But
>*especially* with Smart, who's a bigger smarter and better
>version of Rozier in every way.

Unless we're really down on Smart and wanted a backup PG for Lil Zeake.

who mad?

I think they are going to be disappointed.

theres 4 guards left We can trade up for if we really want.

He's a decent, one dimensional player.

I think Grant will be more useful.

YESSSSSS!!!!!
"Tryna get my hands on some Grants like Horace!!!" I said back in March that I'd love it if the Knicks signed Jerian Grant. Finally!!! A SMART point guard. 3 to 1 assist to turnover ratio. Good on the ball defender. Athletic. An assist machine!!! High basketball IQ. Can create off the dribble. Thank you Phil!!! All is forgiven.

http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/6/25/8849243/nba-draft-2015-knicks-hawks-tim-hardaway-jr-jerian-grant-trade

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Ut oh

Only thing that makes sense with that pick is dealing Smart.

But yes I agree Boston is going to make a trade or three tonight

Gotta divest from the Sixers all together.

We will be in the lottery and so will some more of your boys.

Noel came along well last year, IMO he was the best rookie in the league although not by a head or anything crazy.

Eventually we WILL get aggressive about actually winning, probably right at the end of his rookie deal

Knicks are a bad fit for his skillset. They gonna force him to be something he is not.

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"God's commands are only as hard to obey as his promises are to believe."

My dad was like "What's so funny?" I think once he realized who was being discussed, he was also in on the absurdity.

Portis there means Taj is gone...

Still need a back up PG though.....But I like this pick....

We can trade Taj for a SF upgrade or a wing shooter

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Rubio and Lavine. PG central strikes again.

Ideally, he's not a team's primary ballhandler. He only played point as much as he did last year because Rubio can't (and likely won't) stay healthy.

Depth at point guard was (oddly enough) a need this offseason.

http://media.thehoopdoctors.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/tyus-jones-twins-2.jpg

Wonder what they got back.

Tyus could start in Minny.

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site569/2014/0310/20140310__3-10TyusJones.jpg

Had two very good options. I guess they are gunning for depth at the top of the second round.

Didn't feel like editing my post. But yeah pretty weird to give him up.

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*10 secons later*

"He's going to the Wolves, as everyone on Twitter knew by now."

Minny is my new fav team outside of Chicago.

>Minny is my new fav team outside of Chicago.

I'd like Minny more if Flip wasn't the coach.

Kind of a Z Bo lite. Memphis saying fuck addressing needs, give us more of the same! Got deeper with this kid and Barnes but didnt get any kind of shooting or ball-handling.

maybe there was no one else they had rated significantly higher..
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i read a piece yesterday--it was in a billings paper, but who else would write about him???--saying his stock was rising and he could get in the *high* 20s.

he seems very raw but given development time lost to injury/illness, athletic ability (seems unaffected by knee issues) and pedigree (larry nance boyeeeee) maybe he is a player.

the lakers draft record at the bottom of the first round SUCKS ASS though, so probably he will die a fiery death before the end of his rookie deal.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIZRk_WUcAAasf9.jpg

Didn't think we would take him at 27 but if Mitch rates him highly, so be it.

Upshaw or Brown

He was a late riser and they wouldnt have taken him if they felt that strongly. I have seen that happen before, a guy projected at one spot goes 15 spots higher and suddenly you find out a bunch of teams were eyeing him. Given their soon-to-come pick, I have to imagine that was the case here.

When I was doing my initial second round mock a few weeks ago, he wasn't on *any* mock drafts, first or second round. I think Givony moved him into the forties this week.

Still not sure why a team with as many needs as the Lakers wouldn't have moved back if he was "their guy." And considering his offensive game is, to put it mildly, undeveloped, I'm not really 100% sure how he helps them in the next year or two. (Although maybe that's the point, they don't care about the next year or two.)

I don't think that highly of Brown either.

damn superteaming killed the Cavs chance at having someone good in the stash... oh well

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and I dont like him but he does have lottery talent. Maybe with that group of guys they can make his talent shine...+ he has the versatility to play multiple positions they love.

Stretch four who doesn't shoot treys and has average-ish size for a three. L.

His thick ass NY accent makes Jarvis and Mark Jackson sound like they grew up in Seattle!

I already knew this kid was going to suck but Billy King's vote of confidence is a titanium nail in his coffin.

He's real skinny and has to fill out, but I don't agree on SF size.

I see a lot of D League next year, and he's got a lot of work to do but there's potential there.

First I see him at 6'7", 200 lbs. Then he was 6'9" but still 200. Now he is 6'10" with a ten-story wingspan?

He doesn't look 6'10" to me but if I am wrong then I rescind my critique of his height and instead limit it to his lack of strength, lack of range (nice mid range though), injury history and general bust-face-having nature.

He was always listed at 6'10 from when they recruited him, and throughout the season on everything that I saw.

The injury happened. Not ready to call him injury prone though, knee injuries can hit anyone at anytime in basketball.

Lack of strength is a real issue at this point, no question. Physical teams like St. Johns were knocking him around. He's young though. His ability to get stronger and bulk up will be a big factor on if he makes it or not.

I think he has the shooting stroke to extend his range.

A skinny freshman with upside coming off a major injury....yeah, there's definitely bust potential. But it's a good spot in the draft to take a chance on a kid with some potential. He's got a lot of work to do, no question.

He was earlier this year, he was 6'7" on NBADraft.net and 6'8" on Draft Express. *Right today* the former has has him at 6'9", the latter has him at 6'9" but the writeups refer to him matter-of-factly as 6'8". At the combine he was 6'8" and 1/4 without shoes.

I mean, to my eye, Christmas looked taller, which is hard to believe because usually your eye gets tricked by a skinny guy who is about the same height as a more built guy.

Anyway, I recognize that he is a coordinated kid with a decent stroke, but I was not feeling him previously and now that Billy King cosigned him ...

I watched every game. 6'7 was never in play.

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I know were trying to move TJones though

Kepp him away from Dwight and the social scene.

OOOOOOOOOOOOW!!! FK YEAH

Hard worker. Much improved throughout his college career.

He'll work hard, play hard, and play his role. I think he could have a long career as a decent role player off the bench.

Banger with great work ethic but he is not like hopelessly one-dimensional. Very good fourth big IMO.

he kind of reminds me of Tristan. a lil more refined in some ways, particularly offensively

Dunno shit about this Bowling Green guy but looks like a banger. Christmas I like, he will stick as a pro and now he is in a great situation. Good for him.

pretty sure he won't get fat every offseason, too

You didnt know CONNAUGHTON was a good athlete? The two-sport pro who SKIED for rebounds all tournament long? LMAO.

Billy King made a good pick, how long until he trades it? My advice to him? Well, how's your curveball looking these days?

>
>Billy King made a good pick, how long until he trades it? My
>advice to him? Well, how's your curveball looking these days?

That is a W for Portland, IMO they got the better prospect (nothing against RHJ but he didn't impress me much) and a roster player that will help them. You look at them up front, yeesh, not a lot of athletic ability between Lopez and Leonard.

got to say the Lakers did very well tonight..

just a reminder -- I have a license on the Indian subcontinent

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

>just a reminder -- I have a license on the Indian
>subcontinent
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www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIZR_DkVAAEDEX5.jpg:large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIZR_DuVAAAjBtW.jpg:large

Should be fun just for rookie hazing purposes

theyre usually the tallest (and huskiest) of the desis

to be a perennial all-ugly team selection.

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

but kudos to mark cuban for taking a flier on him...

didnt he also try out another 7 foot chinese guy..the name is escaping me right now.

edit, the younger bhullar brother has some real promise though. if he can keep the weight down

and looks like he just learned basketball out of a book in the last two years...cuz at the levels he's been playing, he pretty much did.


*shrug* maybe he has the athleticism to develop when faced w/ better players, maybe he doesn't. we'll see

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yc8bzl6dqQI

www.engadgethd.com - the other stuff i'm looking at

charania] Lakers reached summer league commitments with undrafted bigs, Washington's Robert Upshaw and Arizona's Brandon Ashley, source tells RealGM. (twitter.com)

Invest in a bodyguard or two for him to keep him in line, and he will pay major dividends.

Hinkie stashing guys though.

I fuck with Upshaw, floor Hasheem Thabeet, ceiling Manute Bol. Shot blocking stud. Not much else to his game I don't think.

But this works for me just fine.

This was a nice ass draft for us aside from Nance, a pick I'm just confused by.

He couldn't stay on the team at friggin Fresno State. Peace to dude and I wish him well, but I wouldn't expect much. Low-risk high-reward, though.
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dat tradional eye test scouting

At least Simmons wasn't on fucking up the broadcast again this year.

And he kept looking down at his notes, like he they were pre-written. Wtf?

i think both work best when used together.

In fact my Stanley/Winslow call is based all on eye test and barely any analytics.

it don't matter...we'll see.

which most things the last 4 years have rated Stanley higher Throughout this time up until the last few months. So my question was what was your statement based off - just YOUR eye test?

i guess russell not better than everyone who ranked above him 12 months ago.

lemme help you...

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/playerrankings/_/class/2014/order/true

tyus gon be better than stanley too, while i think about it.

LMAO...i forgot about Pinson, he was the other one Justise wasn't ranked above.

Man, good luck.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/new-laker-larry-nance-jr--deletes-tweet-that-called-kobe-bryant--rapist-054648201.html


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Why would you think they WOULDNT know about it? It's pretty easy to do.

which included an unprotected pick from the Nets...

At least Danny Ainge tried to move up...