(c)Raymond Anthony Lewis Jr.

http://mweb.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24961713/ray-lewis-tuck-rule-only-reason-we-know-who-tom-brady-is

As I recall, if that rule had not been in place, they would not have won that game and perhaps Drew Bledsoe would have been put back as the starter. The Raidaz would have won ther SB that year.

The link didn't open at my j.o. but I remember when that bad call (that ain't a rule anymore) happened. Raidaz would have won.

Plus the tuck rule didnt give them any points.

They werent going back to Bledsoe either; they knew what they had

my point was if they did not win the SB the first year, there may not have been a Tom Brady in that next year.

and I am not as sold that Tom would have been the guy after that fumble.

One that they were losing

Incidentally after the play in question, they were STILL losing

The Raiders went into Foxboro and beat the Patriots in the snow.

Charles Woodson *won* the game with that sack and fumble.

You think that didn't play a role? You think the Raiders didn't make the plays they needed to win an NFL playoff game on the road in that weather?

Stop.

Edit: and my point is that one incomplete pass only defines Tom Brady's career to idiots. Because he has a list of accomplishments that have nothing to do with the Tuck Rule. Even further, he still had more winning to do *after* the tuck rule. So anyone who boils his career down to that is a moron.

and that is the point.

Please walk me through a realistic scenario where one playoff loss totally alters the trajectory of Brady's career

There's a very good chance Bledsoe would have gotten his job back if Brady lost that game.

Brady got hurt in the 2nd qtr of the AFCCG and Bledsoe came in and led them to a W

Brady started the SB anyways. If the team felt that Bledsoe was their best option he wouldnt have gone back to the bench.

Mufuckers got some selective memories when it comes to agenda-fightin'.

Belichick's record with Bledsoe was 5-13. People forget quickly how much Belichick was being questioned after that first bad year and then starting the very next season 0-2.

We know who Kyle Orton is, we'd probably know who Tom Brady is.

>We know who Kyle Orton is, we'd probably know who Tom Brady
>is.

so if Mo Lewis never hurt bledsoe then... if bill belichek never left the jets after 1 day...

what iffing to this level is insane, especially because he clearly would have kept starting and winning. I'm not sure his career changes one bit actually, he'd just have 1 less ring




@rob_starrk

I just thought he was a dude who got away with murder.

don't be jealous of Ray's hat game broskis

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They don't win that game so at the very least that's one Super Bowl victory on someone else's resume. The Raiders aren't as some people not me refer to them as, cursed so to speak. Spygate looks different later on as well. I'm not saying Tom Brady wouldn't be looked at as great but he's not referred to as better than Joe Montana without that game.

But, but, but, we resent your posts... to which I say eat a bag of dicks.

That's like saying no one would know Ray Lewis if he hadn't sold out his boys on a murder wrap.

* DQ = Douchebag Quotient = Great plays on field divided by (foul plays on field + Jackass statements off the field)

and he's the greatest of his generation. also, you're wrong.

Also spygate but no one talks about that much.

but the tuck rule did give Brady the opportunity to make the plays needed to win the game and advance. He still had to make the plays though. The Raiders had the opportunity to stop him again. Can only play the cards you're dealt.

is talking about technicalities and legacies.

but I understand what ytou are saying...

>but I understand what ytou are saying...

my god man...

who give a fuck how/why we know him.

when you combine regular season W/L, awards, stats, and number of post season wins. just sayin. If his production fell off a cliff you'd have a point but his record is 90-23 since 2007. 90-23. That's insane. Yeah no superbowl wins thanks to Eli. We know.

Mufuckers real bitter that they stay on top of the heap year after year after year after year.

Without the tuck rule (and Adam Vinatieri for that matter)- I seriously doubt we would know who Tom Brady is. Shit, Brady wasn't even Brady then.

http://www.boston.com/ae/theater_arts/exhibitionist/TOM-BRADY-PIC-1.jpg

He played okay during that '01 run as more or less a game manager, but was certainly no lock to come back the following year as a starter- if their season ends in their first playoff game. Drew Bledsoe probably comes back as the Pats starter, rather than heading to Dallas, and Brady is back on the bench... maybe eventually becoming a Matt Cassell or something... who knows.

But that tuck rule, and Brady's limited role at the time, and getting A LOT OF HELP (and luck) along the way, won a Superbowl, and then another one. Spygate may or may not have helped there, in two games that ONE play could have changed the outcome of.

The bottom line is this. Winning breeds confidence, and confidence breeds success... so Brady's initial success in the league was the combination of a perfect storm of events, and he GREW into the quarterback he is today. There are a ton of quarterbacks in my opinion who if put in Brady's situation, would have become the same quarterback.

We can debate it all day, but everything Ray said is dead on. Take away the tuck rule, the Patriots dynasty probably NEVER gets off the ground. And neither does Brady...

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilariou

i was just gonna leave it at my short reply, but people are actually entertaining this which is pretty hilarious. let me give you the rundown of how it happened. i remember the QB controversy very well:

After a bunch of mediocrity with Bledsoe, Wonderboy comes in and sparks the team. They go 11-3 with him as starter, including a win streak to end the season, and get a bye. Even if we lose to the Raiders, he's getting that job. They might hang on to Bledsoe as insurance and have them compete in training camp, but there is ZERO chance they're just handing the keys back to Bledsoe, and about the same chance that Bledsoe keeps that job IF he gets it back. They had 2 chances to go back to Drew that season alone: when Bledsoe first came back (they were merely .500 at the time) and when Brady got injured in the AFC game (meaning they could've stuck with Bledsoe for the SB) and they didn't pull the trigger. That's not just random. You guys act like Bledsoe was spectacular in Buffalo or Dallas or the Pats wouldn't have struggled with him at the helm in 2002.

and probably would have lost his job if he stuck with Bledsoe if folk are honest. I remember those games. It was like night and day with Brady running the offense.

at least for the time being. they were pretty bad for a few years and then they magically get their first playoff berth in a while. they're not going back to the previous QB no matter who it is. i was there for the first game of the win streak which also happened to be the first week bledsoe was back. everyone was sold on brady over bledsoe except a small portion of the fanbase. you could feel it. not that the fanbase has anything to do with personnel decisions, but that's the way the tide was going. it was a no-brainer by the playoffs.

So much revisionist history and lies in Overqualified's post about Bledsoe (LOLOLOL) I didn't even know where to begin. But this is the answer. I also vividly remember this controversy and Bledsoe had NO chance of getting that job back. Motherfucker came in and WON THE GAME in Pittsburgh after the Snow Bowl and Belichick STILL started Brady on a bum leg. Thank god he did, too.

All the above comes from someone who was a HUGE Bledsoe fan growing up but his time was up.

>All the above comes from someone who was a HUGE Bledsoe fan
>growing up but his time was up.

dude came in as a fresh QB for a joke of a franchise and was key to making it respectable. nothing but love.

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

Its 2014...there are computers in glasses and people stunt after hitting the ball far. Get over it. -Cenario

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilariou

Will always love Bledsoe and appreciate what he did for the franchise. He had some of the most exciting moments in Patriots' history in his early years. Motherfucker had Peyton Manning level talent at that time.

As a good friend of mine so eloquently put it once..."Bledsoe built Gillette Stadium. Brady decorated it"

Brady was drafted by the Patriots who needed a quarterback, correct? I know their roster had four quarterbacks on it but the team felt the need to draft Brady, right? In other words, the Pats drafted Brady because they needed him.

they thought of him as (potentially) the future, not just a back-up. obviously they weren't strong in that belief since he was taken in the 6th round. they were actually embarrassed that they didn't have him higher on their board given how he turned out.

That team was loaded and would have played for the National Championship had Brady not had to share time with Drew Henson.

Cost UM the State game and Illinois game.

Brady plays all year like he was supposed to and its FSU-UM for the national championship, and Brady is a 2-3 round pick.

People forget Bledsoe was back well before the regular season was over and Belichick chose to stay with Brady. Bledsoe subbed in for Brady when he got injured early in the AFC Championship game and Belichick still went BACK to Brady for the SuperBowl. Bledsoe was not getting that job back, period.

http://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/super-page/ray-lewis-clarifies-his-only-reason-tom-brady-exists-is-because-of-the-tuck-rule-statement-by-saying-he-doesnt-know-how-to-talk/

And make sure to watch your boy Ray Ray in the video at the bottom saying "yea...yea greatest ever"

and read this.

https://medium.com/the-cauldron/luckily-for-ray-lewis-people-arent-defined-by-one-thing-4e24f27b604

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uehs_Uzo4Cs

so it's hard to picture how much it pokes at C Wood's soul, even with the career he had

it's going on 20 years, and my immediate reaction to that trailer, was i don't know if i'm ready to see this lol


>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uehs_Uzo4Cs

That's the list of QBs with as many rings as Tom Brady if you only count the rings Tom Brady won since this dumb ass post was made.

>That's the list of QBs with as many rings as Tom Brady if you
>only count the rings Tom Brady won since this dumb ass post
>was made.

What if you don’t count the ones he didn’t cheat for?

the best moment in NFL playoff history was watching that fraud get "Tuck Ruled" late in the 4th in the Super Bowl. Brandon "GOAT" Graham.

I wish there was a recording at how loudly I howled with laughter watching that shit. That was better than any Cowboy L in my lifetime

You could eliminate his entire 15 year career before this post was typed and he would still be a first ballot hall of famer with as many rings as any other QB.

“He’s the most basic quarterback you’ve ever seen. It’s the simplest football that you’ll ever see in your life…he’s figured it out: don’t complicate football…People can hate on him, y’all can be mad at him, but he’s the best quarterback we’ve ever seen.” - Ray Lewis

positive for steroids?

Because he does it so much. That in itself shows how insanely great Tom Brady is. Thanks for confirmation. Please keep this post upped so we can continue to laugh at you.

but they want sweep the transgressions of their great white GOAT and his team under the rug because Roger destroyed the tapes.

about as irrelevant as your comparison, but at least its kind of interesting.

because if we gonna say BALCO is why Bonds "juiced"
then Alex Guerrero's junk science needs to be given the same energy


never mind that Bonds was already a great hitter before the homerun explosion.

Boody was Trent Dilfer behind the Patriots defense for 3 Super Bowls and got cooked by Jake Plummer and Eli.

is the reason it came back up. Obviously he wants to talk about it.

havent been this hype about a 30 for 30 in a little bit

if that werent the case this would never be made

pretty much outing the Patriots along with Spagnuolo about how they KNEW the Patriots were STEALING signals so they changed all their signals in the last two weeks heading up to the superbowl.

Also check the 3rd quarter of the Eagles vs Patriots superbowl 39 and how they pretty much had the perfect play call for the eagles offense.

Guess who was on the coaching staff of the Eagles Spagnuolo.

into the next season if it wasn't for the "tuck rule"

Amazing tv

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spygate_(NFL)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deflategate

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/patriots-spygate-deflategate-bill-belichick-timeline/ovkdjh8ny5qb1fnns9grat5mk

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2898081-timeline-of-spygate-deflategate-major-patriots-scandals-after-video-punishment

regardless.

https://apple.news/AIiq_gC8KSsSPtiHQXchwBg

https://static.onecms.io/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2021/07/24/Tom-Brady.jpg

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plays in that game that could've swung things the other way and possibly Brady's career and NFL history lol, he's definitely the most unlikely goat in any sport