Magic's Lakers
Drexler's Blazers
Chuck and MJ on the Suns
Payton and Kemp's Sonics
Malone and Stockton twice



Are any of those teams better than Timmay's Spurs?
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the bulls are the Floyd mayweather of the nba greats..

never beat a great champ in their prime...

Magic and the ShowTime Lakers on the other hand ONLY beat other great champions in their finals appearances...

Thanks Warren
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completely dominated the West ... where the hell was the competition?

Also, a lot of fans forget that Magic LOST in the Finals 4x's ...

NINE finals though ... crazy!

That is all.

Challenger-

Like,really really done


And Magic's teams lost to All-Time GREAT teams.



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>completely dominated the West ... where the hell was the
>competition?
>
>Also, a lot of fans forget that Magic LOST in the Finals 4x's
>...
>
>NINE finals though ... crazy!
>
>That is all.
>
>Challenger-

are the same teams people want us to accept as great when those teams made it to the finals and lost to the Bulls..

think about it..

the Lakers beat the Jazz during the showtime era more than once on their road to the finals....a young Mailman and Stockton took the Lakers to 7 games in 89...

so you can't claim that Jazz team was garbage when the Lakers beat them..but when the Bulls beat them in the finals they were great..

same thing about the Sonics.... in 89 the Lakers swept the Sonics in the playoffs....


also...one of the best teams in that era the Dallas Mavericks also fell to the Lakers in the western conference....as well as the Spurs when they had the Iceman...

list all of the best players on the opposing teams....list the best players off the Sonics...Suns...and Jazz....and Blazers..oh..and the Lakers...

then list all the best players off the Sixers....Celtics and Pistons....

then compare the lists...

as far as ball movement and getting the most out of their role players

only glaring difference was the contrasting styles of T parker and Stockton, but neither one is really greater than the other at the same point in their careers


>then compare the lists...
>


dude, fuck that list.

what u do is, compare their conference and nba finals stats of the Jazz for those 2 years to those of the great names on the teams u mentioned. especially shooting/3pt%ages.

i haven't looked anything up yet, but i distinctly remember Hornacek, Eisley, Russell, Carr, and Foster having career runs and hot streaks during those periods.

u add those playoff runs with Stockton & Malone and u've got a great team.

Duncan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Karl
Tony>>>>>>>>>>>>>Stockton
Kawhi>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Who Cares



Pop>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Sloan
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Manu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hornacek
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Could they beat the Clips? Spurs? Thunder? Blazers? Warriors?

Can't wait to see how people are romanticizing the past 15 years from now. Those 90s teams get so much damn love

>Could they beat the Clips? Spurs? Thunder? Blazers? Warriors?

are you serious?

Eisley's playoff performance >>>>>>>>> Mills

Hornacek >>> Danny Green. waaaaaaaaay more consistant.

Foster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Splitter

Carr was different but = to Diaw.

>Eisley's playoff performance >>>>>>>>> Mills
>
>Hornacek >>> Danny Green. waaaaaaaaay more consistant.
>
>Foster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Splitter
>
>Carr was different but = to Diaw.
>
>
>
>
>

and when they took him off Karl, Antionne Carr woulda sodomized him in the paint/on the boards and put 5 fade away jumpers in his face.

with that fuckin all-marshmellow front line S.A. wouldn't have even been a factor during the 90's era of Bad Boys physical ball.

Parker would spend half the game doing euro soccer rolls on the floor from Stockton's bows.

u mufucks have no idea.

Cmon dog
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Tim is not nor had he ever been a great post defender (especially not now), and not that strong physically, which is why he never wanted to be a center and have to guard big physical guys like Shaq, Dwight, or Perkins(Celtics version) for a whole game.

in the 90s era with that officiating it woulda went down just like i said.

again, everything i said woulda happened, woulda happened.

And Antoine Carr at 36 years old wasn't doing shit to or about Tim Duncan.

But I'm sure magically playing against the best PF of all time would have those two stepping their games up



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Timmay took down the Big Bully of the 21st century (Shaq) when he was at the apex of his prime. Meanwhile Malone got punked by 6'8" Rodman & Buck Williams/Kemp......& couldn't take down the Big Bully of the mid 90s (Hakeem) when he was at the apex of his prime.

Carr couldn't do shyt against finesse big-men Horry/Sleepy Sam.

why would u even bring prime Tim Duncan in this conversation? oh yeah, cuz u have no relevant argument to make but don't wanna look like u don't know wtf u're talkin bout.


btw- Admiral was a waaaaaaaay better defender than Tim ever was (...but especially THIS version of Tim).

Admiral may have been a lil too in love with the jump shot, but for u to try to call him soft with any reference to his D lets me know that u never played no real ball in your life. u know shit about this game other than possibly X's and O's and what u hear on ESPN.

embarrassed. I mean, you typed 'Antoine Carr would have sodomized Tim Duncan in the paint.' Then you have the audacity to question other poster's basketball intelligence. LMAO. Fucking clown.

it's the only way my comment would get this type of emotional (and outta left field) response that u accuse me of.

and again, if you think David Robinson was a soft defender, u really don't understand shit about the game and i do not respect your bball opinion. David Robinson was a legendary defender.

either that or you're too young to remember how the game was played and ref'd in the late 80's-90's
...even if that's the case u still seem pretty mad :/


.......and to be clear- when I say Carr would've sodomized Tim him in the paint, i'm not talking about scoring. he would have physically beat the shit outta Tim' friendly ass. the scoring would've come from the fade away Js that i mentioned.
read, niggas, and don't try to make no new arguments where there isn't one just because yall mad.

>and again, if you think David Robinson was a soft defender, u
>really don't understand shit about the game and i do not
>respect your bball opinion. David Robinson was a legendary
>defender.
Dude HATED physically contact ala KG aka soft. In 2003 Admiral looked so defeated that Malik Rose/Kevin Willis had to close out the games. Dude wanted no part of Shaq on BOTH ends of the floor after Phil took over.

>.......and to be clear- when I say Carr would've sodomized Tim
>him in the paint, i'm not talking about scoring. he would have
>physically beat the shit outta Tim' friendly ass. the scoring
>would've come from the fade away Js that i mentioned.
>read, niggas, and don't try to make no new arguments where
>there isn't one just because yall mad.

Tim sodomized Ibaka in the 4th quarter of Gm 6.
Tim sodomized Ben Wallace/Sheed in the 4th quarter of Gm 7 in the muphuckin Finals. He also sodomized Shaq in 2003. He sodomized Carr/Malone in 98. Case-closed!

based on his 2014 Finals performance and the remaining years of his career.

yeah i see how that can work. wow, u really do know your shit, bro.

one who came out with the abrasive shit talking. Nah, you are the irrationally mad, emotional one here.

You accused me of saying the Admiral was soft. That never happened.
You accused me of 'never playing ball' before. Nah, I'm a football player first, but can hold my own on the court. FOH.

Back to the point. Your Antoine Carr comments are still ridiculous and just demonstrate how irrational your hate of Duncan is. Duncan woulda ate him alive just like he did to EVERY SINGLE BIG during his prime (and really even still today at age 38).

Timmay destroyed Kurt Thomas/Marcus Camby in the '99 Finals. He destroyed KMart/Deke in '03. He more than handled his own against Ben Wallace/Rasheed Wallace/Antonio McDyess with NO HELP in '05 en route to his 3 Finals MVP. He more than held his own against Shaq and every other big during his career. But yeah, we're supposed to believe Antoine fucking' Carr and the mid 90s Jazz would have abused Timmay. FOH. Like the above poster, I'm still waiting for a logical defense of that absurd comment.

>btw- Admiral was a waaaaaaaay better defender than Tim ever
>was (...but especially THIS version of Tim).
IDIOT..Admiral was more athletic than Tim but dude didn't like getting physical in the paint. In his prime Admiral was basically a hybrid of KG & Camby: Great weak-side shot blocks & had the athletic ability to switch onto guards/jump into passing lanes but HATED fighting cats in the post. Malik Rose had better success against Shaq than Admiral in 2003....Shaq steam rolled him in the paint like Deke in the 2001 Finals.

Malone knocked him out cold in 98 & & Dream destroyed him after he stole the MVP. Dude was the whipping boy amongst the elite NBA big-men ala Dirk.

you just went from 1988 to 2003 (well before and well after his prime), and compared him to 2 of the games biggest, greatest offensive big men EVER. EVER EVER.

All of the great big men who met during their prime gave each other major work at one time or another (Hakeem being the fuckin greatest on both sides of the court), but it doesn't take away from their legacy.

hahahahaha
you're desperate right now to not look like a complete basketball idiot and ur pullin shit all out yo ass lol

>you just went from 1988 to 2003 (well before and well after
>his prime), and compared him to 2 of the games biggest,
>greatest offensive big men EVER. EVER EVER.
He got destroyed....it wasn't even close. Admiral was also on the team that lost the Pan-Am games to fuckin' Brazil.

>All of the great big men who met during their prime gave each
>other major work at one time or another (Hakeem being the
>fuckin greatest on both sides of the court), but it doesn't
>take away from their legacy.
Admiral earned the "SOFT" label after getting outplayed by muphuckin' Felton Spencer in the 94 playoffs. He came back motivated to prove doubter wrong in 95 but Hakeem took his soul in the WCF after he stole the MVP. Let's not forget Barkley drilling the shot in his face to close down the HemisFair Arena in 93. Admrial was every elite bigmen's whippin' boy.

>hahahahaha
>you're desperate right now to not look like a complete
>basketball idiot and ur pullin shit all out yo ass lol
Right you're the one plea coppin claiming Carr would body Tim then backtracking like a stupid hoe when push came the shove.

The 2013-14 Spurs offense was a motion offense w/ a sprinkle of PnRs..The Jazz basically initiated their offense w/ the Malone/Stockton PnR & sprinkled w/ hard cuts towards the rim. The Jazz also HEAVILY relied on Malone during the back2back Finals appearance which is why he won the MVP in '97 & finished 2nd in '98. Thus the opposing defense knew what they had to do before they even stepped onto the court. On the other hand the 2013-14 Spurs didn't a go-to guy & all five guys on the court were as much of a treat as the next guy which made them impossible to game plan against when they were firing on all cylinders.

Besides, the Jazz didn't have a rim protector like Tim nor an elite wing defender like Kawhi...not to mention Diaw/Manu/Mills coming off the bench as opposed to Howard Eisley, Shandon Anderson & Greg Foster.

Fun Fact:
-Jazz couldn't crack 55 in the 98 Finals.
-Spurs put up 70 in a HALF in the '14 Finals.

i only said they were similar as far as "ball movement and getting the most out of their role players." then u come w/ this over-analytical sports nerd masturbation shit.

Utah woulda banged the shit outta S.A.'s soft ass front line and shot their fucking eyeballs out.

>i only said they were similar as far as "ball movement and
>getting the most out of their role players." then u come w/
>this over-analytical sports nerd masturbation shit.
The Jazz couldn't get the most out of their role players against the Bulls which is why they ended up on the losing side.

>Utah woulda banged the shit outta S.A.'s soft ass front line
>and shot their fucking eyeballs out.
The same SA soft ass front-line punked both Z-Bo/Marc Gasol in the 2013 WCF & swept them. Not to mention Splitter shut Aldridge down after he torched two roughneck in Dwight/Asik.

this is the fuckin flop era. the way these games are called today and all these bullshit charge calls didn't exist 15-20 years ago. this is a totally different game. i mean, even if you're young, didn't u watch the Bad Boys 30 for 30 show? how do u not fuckin get this?


>The same SA soft ass front-line punked both Z-Bo/Marc Gasol in
>the 2013 WCF & swept them.

they punked them, or they got help form double team schemes and got them in foul trouble with these (relative to the 90s) milktoast refs?
if S.A. would've tried to double Utah's big men, they would've got their fuckin eyes shot out by everyone from Hornacek to Shandon Anderson. dude got a fuckin ridiculous contract from the Knicks after those hot streaks he had in the playoffs w/ Utah. $40 mil i believe.


>Not to mention Splitter shut
>Aldridge down after he torched two roughneck in Dwight/Asik.

Aldridge is a fucking jump shooter who lives and dies with his jumper. not a physical big man at all and plays about as much D as Kevin Love. who da fuck are u comparing him to?
























...wait a minute....... did u just mention Tiago Splitter?

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_1998_WCS.html
Muphuckin' MVP Malone shot 42% vs. Rookie Timmay's 50%. The Spurs would have beaten them if it wasn't for soft ass Admiral shooting 39% against muphuckin' Greg Foster.

Besides, wet behind the ears Timmay murdered Malone while he was in his prime on more than a few occasions..Enjoy:
-http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199904200UTA.html
-http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200001100SAS.html
-http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199804080UTA.html

I'm not even going to bring up how Malone fared against MVP status Timmay.

>this is the fuckin flop era. the way these games are called
>today and all these bullshit charge calls didn't exist 15-20
>years ago. this is a totally different game. i mean, even if
>you're young, didn't u watch the Bad Boys 30 for 30 show? how
>do u not fuckin get this?
Malone got punked by 6'8/220 Rodman......yeah he got owned by a small forwards. Kemp used to shit on him too along w/ Hakeem.

>they punked them, or they got help form double team schemes
>and got them in foul trouble with these (relative to the 90s)
>milktoast refs?
Ooooooh, there were no double teams in the 90s...riiggggggghhht.

>if S.A. would've tried to double Utah's big men, they would've
>got their fuckin eyes shot out by everyone from Hornacek to
>Shandon Anderson. dude got a fuckin ridiculous contract from
>the Knicks after those hot streaks he had in the playoffs w/
>Utah. $40 mil i believe.
There is a reason why the knicks haven't won a chip since 1973. Plus, Kemp/Rodman checked Malone one-on-one....dude wasn't shyt w/o the pick & roll. Dude had ZERO post game.

>Aldridge is a fucking jump shooter who lives and dies with his
>jumper. not a physical big man at all and plays about as much
>D as Kevin Love. who da fuck are u comparing him to?
Who cares...the only thing that matters is they SHUT HIM DOWN..Meaning they played D.

i was comparing the 97/98 Finals Jazz team to the TWO THOUSAND FOURTEEN S.A. Spurs. if you're intelligent enough to scroll up and *read*, you just might be able to comprehend how stupid you look for responding like this.

A totally valid argument that is likely to piss off Jordan fans, Bulls fans, fans of any of the teams the Bulls beat, some of our resident NBA historians, and Floyd fans to boot!

Just beautifully, beautifully done.

both Jordan and Floyd have beaten great teams/champions.

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the key to mad making is..

be truthful...

making MORE people mad is better....

make them mad for multiple reasons..

Floyd beat Cotto.. who just beat the dog shit out of Martinez..

but we know how it is w/ Floyd until he loses he hasn't fought anyone...


but I definitely agree that the Lakers 5 >> Bulls 6 in terms of the level of competition..


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His best bet would have been the 96 Pacers or Jazz,and they would have gotten swept by any mid-80's Bucks,Sixer,Celtic,Lakers or Rockets team
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C'mon bruh, Zeke/Dumars/Magic/B-Scott simply got demolished by MJ/Pippen & that was all she wrote.

Sleepy Sam was like their 2nd/3rd best player by that Finals.

Byron & Worthy missed at least one game each in the Finals, both were weak sauce in the series while playing and were both about to fall off hard when they found out what life without Magic was like.

Divac was still young, learning how to play and getting scolded by Magic on the court.

The '91 Pistons were tired, got old quick and at the end of their rope.

Forget the Bulls, they never won a playoff series again from that point forward.

The Bulls never beat an actual title-tested squad when they were in their prime, I guess closest would be those Pistons.

That's not really a criticism, you can only beat who's in front of you, just the facts of the matter.

which is no small feat. It's not his fault he was the only big dog left after he cleared the room. And there might have been a few teams we looked at differently if Jordan wasn't there to shut em down.


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>which is no small feat. It's not his fault he was the only
>big dog left after he cleared the room. And there might have
>been a few teams we looked at differently if Jordan wasn't
>there to shut em down.
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We lost to Detroit 2 years prior to playing the Bulls but had injuries to Magic and Scott. We were able to get back in 1991 & MJ stuck a 4-1 dagger in our hearts to official mark the start of a new dynasty.


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>We lost to Detroit 2 years prior to playing the Bulls but had
>injuries to Magic and Scott. We were able to get back in 1991
>& MJ stuck a 4-1 dagger in our hearts to official mark the
>start of a new dynasty.
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I'm not sure they beat the Bulls after MJ wins that first title.
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so pardon me if I don't give Michael Jordan credit for that.

to see if they could put a championship cast around Magic
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Floyd went 12 rounds with leftovers
ppl talking this martinez shit never talk about how cotto got his ass WHUPPED by austin trout either
beating a 40 yr old with 1 good leg is cool and all but not really saying much

floyd beat ppl in their prime though. canelo, hatton, and couple of dudes before 147

besides that Floyd has plenty of solid wins.. people just hating..

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the muthatfucka just came off a L to Martin fucking Murray and was on the canvas twice.

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

*skatin' the rings of saturn*


..and miles to go before i sleep...

>Magic's Lakers
>Drexler's Blazers
>Chuck and MJ on the Suns
>Payton and Kemp's Sonics
>Malone and Stockton twice
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>
>
>Are any of those teams better than Timmay's Spurs?
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We beat who they served us

Lebron lost and he aint on MJ level
go fucking cry

leave us out of this shit

and yeah even if you wanna say we aint beat any great teams in the finals(which i disagree)
we beat plenty of great teams in the eastern conference finals...who were in their prime

that mayweather comparison is wayy off
only way that works if their were multiple alleged great WC teams available that we didn't play because they didn't sell enough tickets.

i swear y'all some goal post moving ass niggas

WC you really shouldn't be talking
cause yeah the showtime lakers got stripes but what about shaq and kobe?

dat hot fire..
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Sorry fuckers

where the Sacramento Kings....and the San Antonio Spurs..

the Lakers beat both of those teams..... including dominating the Spurs in 2001

a separate category with the fucking Kings. At the least, the Spurs belong with the Lakers in that category of elite teams during the 'Kobe/Shaq' era.

Gotta love how *some* Lakers fans have completely erased the 99' (Shaq was in his prime and young Kobe was healthy) and '03 (prime Shaq AND prime Kobe)seasons from their memories as if they never occurred.

In '99, Duncan and DRob SWEPT yall. In 2000, the rematch never happened bc Duncan got hurt before the postseason and the Spurs lost to the freakin' Suns in the first round (goes to show you just how dominant/valuable Timmay was to the team). 2001, 2002, and 2004 the Spurs got owned. So basically, the Shaq/Kobe led Lakers beat up on the Spurs in 3 of their 5 head to head matchups in the postseason. Hardly the one-sided affair you're trying to portray it as.

>a separate category with the fucking Kings. At the least,
>the Spurs belong with the Lakers in that category of elite
>teams during the 'Kobe/Shaq' era.

The Spurs ARE in a separate category with the Kings..

very much so..

a very specific category...

That category is ... Teams the Lakers beat in the Western playoffs during the Shaq and Kobe 3-peat...

the Lakers beat the Kings during all 3 of those years....and they beat the Spurs in the playoffs 2 out of those 3 years.


>
>Gotta love how *some* Lakers fans have completely erased the
>99' (Shaq was in his prime and young Kobe was healthy) and '03
>(prime Shaq AND prime Kobe)seasons from their memories as if
>they never occurred.

Phil wasn't there in '99...

plus if you look at this...the subject at hand is about Teams who won the championship...the Laker team you are referring to had yet to win the title with the cast that would go on to win 3 straight titles...so not bringing up a time Before they starting winning makes perfect sense.

The Lakers 3 peated..... during 2 of those they beat the dog shit out of the Spurs....

The Lakers win multiple titles in a row...that's what dynasties do

>
>In '99, Duncan and DRob SWEPT yall. In 2000, the rematch never
>happened bc Duncan got hurt before the postseason and the
>Spurs lost to the freakin' Suns in the first round (goes to
>show you just how dominant/valuable Timmay was to the team).
>2001, 2002, and 2004 the Spurs got owned. So basically, the
>Shaq/Kobe led Lakers beat up on the Spurs in 3 of their 5 head
>to head matchups in the postseason. Hardly the one-sided
>affair you're trying to portray it as.

but ...again..the Lakers won multiple titles in a row....they did that more than once.... the Spurs have never done that..

so in that since it's apples and oranges

have repeated had Timmay not gone down with the season ending injury. That was arguably the Admiral's last really good season. That was also one of Sean Elliot's and Avery Johnson's (among others) last good season before old age rendered them useless. 2006 is one of those heartbreaking could've would've should've years.

Still, 4 titles in 8 years is a dynasty to me. 5 titles in 15 years with no drop off in competitiveness is a dynasty to me. Perhaps it's unique, but it's still a dynasty.

>but ...again..the Lakers won multiple titles in a row....they
>did that more than once.... the Spurs have never done that..
>
>so in that since it's apples and oranges

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sad part about it is that I'm a kobestain citizen
but cmon bruh bruh

just too efficient on both sides of the floor and the coaching advantage would favor the spurs in every case
This spurs team has a legitimate case as being one of the best chip teams ever imo

Better than any team Jordan beat.

That said, those Malone-Stockton Utah Jazz teams
were great teams.

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best Spurs championship team.

than this year's Spurs with the exception of the Sonics who had the same offensive rating than this year's Spurs. Also, is Tim, Tony P, Manu, or Kawhi right today better than Barkley, Malone, Drexler, Kemp, Payton in their primes?

The 98 Jazz had a putrid 96.1 offensive rating vs. the '14 Spurs 120. Let's not forget Pippen was D-Wade status in the 98 Finals & MJ had lost a step or two compared to Bron.

Just saying.

The Spurs destroyed the Mavs in Gm 7, destroyed PDX in 4 games, made OKC seem like a D-League team w/o Ibaka & then blitzed them in Gm 5/6 w/ Ibaka at the helms. The Spurs were a Top 5 offensive team for the ENTIRE season for a reason.

In fact every team they beat with the possible exception of one of those Jazz teams would've beat the Heats this year too

and that was just for the 2nd round
relax

Now Jordan ain't beat anybody and THIS year's Spurs teams are one of the best teams ever...lol

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Bad Boys
Knicks
Pacers

"If you wanna help us, fine. Sit down with your kids and make 'em study at night...otherwise, shoot THIS mothaf*cka!" (c) Morgan Freeman,

Most years, three of the four teams in the Eastern Conference Semis would have beaten whoever came out of the West. When the Knicks won, they faced the ONLY Western conference team that could have beaten them, and it took a John Starks implosion and God-mode performance from Hakeem to beat them in 7.

Those pacers teams were no joke either. They were TEAMS in the truest sense. And while Reggie Miller may have been overrated, Rik Smits was underrated. He was basically Yao Ming.

when Ewing missed that put up at the last seconds I felt horrible, and I'm not even a Knicks fan like that

FOH
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if folk would take a look at what they did those 2 seasons.

The 97 Jazz hold the record for the LOWEST scoring game in NBA Finals HISTORY meanwhile the 2014 Spurs hold the record for the HIGHEST field goal percentage in a Finals SERIES HISTORY.

If they win those 2 series against the Bulls everyone would right now be calling Malone the greatest PF ever despite Duncan's 5 rings.

The Bulls ball pressure destroyed them since other than Stockton/Malone they didn't have anyone that could run the offense. Stockton couldn't even breath after he crossed half-court thus they were unable to run their patented PnR. They basically were reduced to pitching the ball to Malone at the elbow & letting him initiate the offense which that ended up being inefficient against Rodman & the Bulls half-court defense.

When they damn near lost in the first round to a Dallas team that was Monta+past their prime dudes.

They got a green Blazers team in round two, Scott Brooks and playing 2.5 vs 5 against okc and shot the lights out vs the heat.

Now they an all time great? Lmao, same team that choked last year is now a GOAT. Hahaha.

Ya'll funny.

But to the matter at hand. Tim today, right today, is not better than Karl Malone was in 97 or 98 and it's not close.

Stockton would be the smartest player the spurs faced in the playoffs if he played today. Yup even smarter than Lebron. And Sloan >>> brooks, Jim Carey, Riley's puppet and stotts. What Utah lacked in athleticism they made up for in size, IQ, a tried and true system and timely role players.

Basically, this spurs team ARE the Utah jazz on a hot steak.

Bulls knocked off the pistons in the ECF but but Detroit was washed up?
Hahahaha

They beat a Lakers team that dethroned the defending WC champ yet they were washed up? Magic was playing right?

Hahahaha

They beat a Portland team that made the finals 2 of 3 years but they weren't great?

Hahaha oh shit!

They handed Pat Riley his ass for multiple years and he didn't have great knicks teams?

Lmmfao

They beat 2 MVP's IN the finals but no great teams huh?

*Can't breathe*

4 of the teams they played won 60+ games but no great teams huh?

Hahaha Chris Tucker in his prime!

Orlando? No? Indiana? No? (Same team that took shaq and Kobe to 6 couldn't get out the east) Heat? No? Sonics, suns? No? Houston was great but couldn't get back to the finals after getting Barkley. No?

Ok cool. Ya'll have at it. But Duncan got his first ring the year AFTER Mike retired, the 2nd time lol and when all the good teams the Bulls stifled got old, indy snuck through, the east went to shit and the Lakers skated to 3 titles.

Ya'll kill me fam. In 20yrs, dudes will be saying, did the spurs beat any great teams? 8th seeded knicks, the JV champ Nets, offensively challenged Detroit team that only won because the Lakers cast was washed up, Bron and bums and Bron and bums again.

^^^okayplayertronic in 2034

Y'all dudes Lol

and had the greatest motivation possible.

Wow... Funny how elevated this spurs team got after a hot series.

When they damn near lost in the first round to a Dallas team that was Monta+past their prime dudes.

they beat the brakes off portland, whipped OKC as well as anyone was going to whip them and they ran off 20ish straight wins by 20ish points on average during the season. they were the number one overall seed. "got hot at the right time" rarely describes a champion, perhaps dallas in 2011 came close. it absolutely does not describe this year's spurs, FOH.

or is this some "you started it, so i'm gonna one-up you" type response lol

the streak and what they did in all but that first round (werent the only team with a near miss there either) said yes.

but all i'm saying is they played their best ball of the season in the finals for the reasons i stated. What they did all season long doesn't mean that they still didn't step it up in the finals. And they stepped it up more than simply having the better players play more minutes.

won because they got hot at the right time, basically implying that they needed a 'hot streak' to win the 'chip. Myself and others pointed out the faulty logic in claiming the best team in the NBA (a team who split the series with the Heat) needed a hot streak to win the series. Spurs could have hit a lower % and still won the series. The great shooting just made the difference between wins and blowout victories. I mean, game 1 they missed a lot of open 3s and still pulled out the victory.

And again, you were not going to get the same regular season/early postseason Spurs in the FINALS. They planned all off-season and prepared all regular season for that series. They obviously saved their best for that particular series.

Lol @ them 'pulling out the game 1 victory' with out no mention of bron cramps...lol. seriously dude?

in the Finals. My point is they played bad (tons of turnovers) in game 1 and still won. They definitely were in position to win game 2 as well despite playing poorly. Then, yes, they got hot and basically ran the Heat off the court. But they didn't have to shoot lights out to win the series. Obviously it helped. The way it read above- at least to me - is that you were claiming the Spurs won because they got hot at the right time. And I'm trying to say they've BEEN hot all season long.

Keep in mind the Spurs were getting a TON of open looks that they definitely weren't getting against the Mavs - thus the much higher fg% numbers.

I'm done with this debate though. Don't really care how people want to rate this specific Spurs team, they won the 'chip and that's pretty much all I care about....for now. lol.

Finals...it was the right time. It's not that deep.

You can't argue that the Spurs would have won anyway without the hot shooting. If you take away the hot shooting, it's a much more manageable game and Miami has a chance in every one.

Them dudes were defeated bc San Antonio was shooting at a 'record pace' in aditto to the things I mentioned originally...'great coaching and extreme motivation' as the title slipped out of their grasp the previous year.

So are you going to claim they also got hot in 2013 just in time for the Finals although they were torching teams for the ENTIRE season.

-They torched the Mavs in Gm 7..when they finally woke up from their coma. (They massacred the Mavs in the regular season)
-They torched PDX in 4 games
-They massacred OKC in Gm 1/2 then torched them after Cory Josephs slayed Ibaka in Gm 4.
-They run the Heat out of the gym in their final meeting of the regular season.

Oh yeah they had the HIGHEST scoring bench in the regular season & the best passing/shooting team in the entire league. They simply replicated their regular season performance in the post-season; nothing more, nothing less.

>and had the greatest motivation possible.
>
>Wow... Funny how elevated this spurs team got after a hot
>series.
>
>When they damn near lost in the first round to a Dallas team
>that was Monta+past their prime dudes.

They absolutely obliterated the Mavs when Top5 woke up from his coma. When the Spurs were firing on all cylinders (Top5 not over-dribbling; Kawhi/Diaw playing aggressive) they run everyone off the court.

Lmao nigga that's what I just said.

It wasn't like they all of a sudden caught fire in the post-season if anything they regressed something terrible in the 1st rd...the main culprit being Tony pounding the air out of the ball & killing the ball movement along w/ Diaw/Kawhi playing passive & Patty not being able to throw a rock into the ocean which is unlike how they performed in the regular season. Patty Mills was taking over games in the regular season..his finals performance wasn't a fluke.

They were the BEST TEAM ALL SEASON LONG.....there is no such thing as "getting hot" when you owned the best record in the ENTIRE league & had played at a HIGH level from the 1st month of the season when the rotation players were all relatively healthy! They could have won 65+ games had Kawhi/Danny Green/Tony not missed a bunch of games.

I swear this board is a joke sometimes. It's really that hard to give credit where credit's due, I guess.

stepped up their game for the Miami series. They shot 47% from 3. It wasn't because they were shooting wide open 3's all series lol

>stepped up their game for the Miami series. They shot 47%
>from 3. It wasn't because they were shooting wide open 3's all
>series lol
They keyed in on Danny Green after he torched them & kept trapping the ball handler...whenever Top5 didn't insist on beating the trap the Spurs got CLEAN looks either at the rim or at the arc. The Mavs on the other hand didn't trap whatsoever instead they switched & played man defense forcing Manu/Tony to be scorers. The only way the Spurs were able to get clean looks from the arc were off misses & turnovers aka fast-breaks.

they won by 15 or more in 12 of their 16 victories

they destroyed Portland, OKC, and Miami

it wasn't just 1 series

far better than the regular season and any round in the playoffs. Saying they got hot at the right time is not a diss to San Antonio. Its what happened. lol

or like filf said...when they started playing good, they were really good.

If you are lucky to make it to the finals its an 8 month long season. No team is firing on all cylinders for the whole year. They go through lulls and other times they clicking. You wanna be clicking going into the playoffs and sustain it throughout. Bath Salt Bron did it and Miami fed off it when they got their chip. Indy was the exact opposite this year...If the playoffs was in December who knows what Indy might have done...but they starting f'ing up at the wrong time and struggled throughout the whole playoffs.

So like I said, San Antonio got hot at the right time and the fact that they lost in the finals to the same team a year before gave them the greatest motivation possible.

regular season so it's pretty disingenuous to compare regular season stats to the Finals. It should have been obvious to all that the Spurs were positioning themselves to hit their peak in the postseason/finals.

And besides, they didn't need to shoot that high of a percentage to win those games - it just made the difference between a close victory and a blowout.

lol not sure how you can say this really.

>And besides, they didn't need to shoot that high of a percentage to win those games - it just made the difference between a close victory and a blowout.

If San An shoots say 35% from 3 in game 5 instead of 46%, its a single digit game instead of a 20 point game. Perhaps lebron plays the last 6 minutes and makes a difference down the stretch being that he's the best player on the court iono.



answer these questions...

did they get hot in the finals?
was it at the right time?

>If San An shoots say 35% from 3 in game 5 instead of 46%, its
>a single digit game instead of a 20 point game.
The Spurs shoot 40+ on WIDE OPEN 3s..Let's not act like Danny Green didn't set the NBA Finals record in only 5 games.

>Perhaps lebron
>plays the last 6 minutes and makes a difference down the
>stretch being that he's the best player on the court iono.
NOPE! Perhaps Top5 & Danny Green don't go scoreless for 3 quarters.


>answer these questions...

>did they get hot in the finals?
NOPE! They made the same shots they were making all season long...their ball movement improved when the ball was out of Top5's hands.

>was it at the right time?
They did the same thing in the 2013 Finals except for Patty/Diaw not getting much burns & Manu being in a season long slump. Danny/Kawhi/Neal were lighting them up until Gm 6/7.

The only thing that really makes those teams look shitty is, well, they didn't win the championship that year. What if they were all great, and Jordan still beat them?

ie

2013 spurs - Chokers
2014 spurs - one of the greatest of all time

>ie
>
>2013 spurs - Chokers
>2014 spurs - one of the greatest of all time

lol exactly. now the same team that lost last season is an all-time great because they kicked Bron n dem ass this season. Bron get all kinds of passes.

>ie
>
>2013 spurs - Chokers
>2014 spurs - one of the greatest of all time

In 2013 Diaw was getting Matt Bonner minutes (he had surgery during the post-season), Patty Mills wasn't even on the post-season roster & Tiago/Manu were absolutely terrible the Finals (both were coming off a late season injuries). The team was the #3 overall seed.

In 2014 Diaw was basically the best 6th man in the entire post-season & Patty Mills outplayed Wade. Manu/Tiago were exponentially better that 2013. The team was also the #1 overall seed.

Besides, you have to be great in the first place to get to the point of choking a championship clincher game...it basically means you SHOULD have beaten the eventually champions, as in you we the BETTER team.

that they made an entire era of competition appear inferior

This shit is hilarious. A team heavily featuring Boris Diaw is now the gold standard of excellence.

They needed 7 games to beat the 36-46 Hawks & also need another 7 games to beat the same Cavs the Spurs swept in the 2007 Finals.

They beat the Pistons sans Ben Wallace & the Lakers sans Ariza/Bynum. The 2014 Spurs would have taken care of the '08 Celtics in 6 games tops.

As far as the '04 Pistons...those mofos needed 7 games to beat the same Nets that Timmay single handledly beat in the 2003 Finals.

The 2013-14 Spurs were better than the '03 Spurs & just as good as the '07 squad.

>This shit is hilarious. A team heavily featuring Boris Diaw
>is now the gold standard of excellence.

niggas hyping diaw as a ibaka killer now lmao

PDX/Mavs/Heat also couldn't handle him when he was aggressive.

oooooohh...kill'em

Diaw demolished it thus they had to stay big.

>This shit is hilarious. A team heavily featuring Boris Diaw
>is now the gold standard of excellence.

http://indiebasketball.tumblr.com/post/21300264654/someone-still-loves-you-boris-diaw

The teams were much more talented and stacked back in the day. Teams didn't lose their core players to free agency every other year so you had plenty of teams that played with each other for 4-5 years.

The Bulls had to deal with Pacers, Pistons, and Knicks in the playoffs? In the 90's when a foul would require blood? Are you crazy?

Ehlo
Wilkins
Russell

Are any of those players better than Patty Mills?

I cannot be convinced otherwise

>Magic's Lakers
>Drexler's Blazers
>Chuck and MJ on the Suns
>Payton and Kemp's Sonics
>Malone and Stockton twice
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>Are any of those teams better than Timmay's Spurs?
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cats stay on some *ACTIVATE: "DIMINISH JORDAN" MODE* every time bron bron has a legacy setback.

gotta keep inching that bar lower and lower by any means necessary, i guess.

at least i learned that the 2014 spurs, and apparently every 2014 west playoff team >>>>>> every jordan finals opponent. that's good to know.

as an all time team. Shameful really.

Let's see how their predictions of 7 rings and 12 MVPs shake out now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XW4n22xF8QM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwC5ePDNkp0

That's what this boils down to.

Because Jordan's Bulls went through everybody in their way just about every season that he played basketball in the 90's.

Some of those "not great" teams in the 90's might be remembered a little differently if they didn't have to play and lose to MJ every year.

because of his performance in this Finals
and these niggas can't take the shit so they have to devalue what both the Spurs and Stilton Spectacles were able to accomplish

all of the teams jordan beat were weak. because they never won titles. because jordan beat them. because they were weak. ad infinitum.

>all of the teams jordan beat were weak. because they never
>won titles. because jordan beat them. because they were weak.
>ad infinitum.



^^^^^^^!!!!!!!!!!!!

IT'S SO... SO... SO BEAUTIFUL.

I co-sign all this Jordan hate. Warren in preaching. It's about time someone put those Bulls runs in their proper perspective. They were great but the revisionism has gotten out of hand in some instances.

soon enough

It is obvious that the Mavs team in 2011 is one of the all time greats as well.

the 2011 mavericks >>>>>>>>>> EVERY SINGLE TEAM THAT PLAYED IN THE NBA BETWEEN 91 AND 98

i've seen in my lifetime and i've been watching ball since the 60's

The Mavs role player played out of their minds......muphuckin' Peja was their 3rd leading scorer against the Lakers & their 4th leading scorer against the Blazers. Peja was picked up off waviers around the all-star break after being release by the Raptors. LMAO!

were. All those guys would have rings if it wasn't for the Bulls.

Jordan beat multiple HOF'ers on the road to the Finals and IN the Finals every year.

He beat guys who happened to have won the MVP in a year he didn't and made them pay & cry.

This Heat team played no HOF'ers on the road to the Finals. When they did play a team with an all-time guaranteed HOF'er they got crushed by him and his posse.

And this Spurs team struggled against a 1st round opponent that the Bulls would crush in the 1st round even with just Pippen at the helm.

But we're not supposed to go that far with the hypothetical tho, right?

Also, Lebron has a losing record in the Finals. He was before this year's Finals.

Even if he was to sweep in his next Finals appearance he would still have a losing record.

So, just cry about it. Boo hoo hoo.

>And this Spurs team struggled against a 1st round opponent
>that the Bulls would crush in the 1st round even with just
>Pippen at the helm.

The Spurs crushed the Mavs in the regular season & in Gm 7. Again, for the first 6 games the Spurs were sleep walking. That was a fluky 7 game series.

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The 2013-14 Spurs would have annihilated the 2001 Sixers.

>The 2013-14 Spurs would have annihilated the 2001 Sixers.

Actually that Sixer team was tailor made to beat the Spurs, DPOY Mutombo would've controlled the paint, and they had plenty of perimeter defenders to cover the Spurs shooters. Who from this SA is staying with AI? Parker? Danny Green? Iverson would've averaged 50 against them.

>>The 2013-14 Spurs would have annihilated the 2001 Sixers.
>
>Actually that Sixer team was tailor made to beat the Spurs,
>DPOY Mutombo would've controlled the paint, and they had
>plenty of perimeter defenders to cover the Spurs shooters. Who
>from this SA is staying with AI? Parker? Danny Green? Iverson
>would've averaged 50 against them.

AI could have chucked all he wants like Russy & they wouldn't crack 80pts. The Sixers ball pressure was similar to the Heats ball pressure thus you ain't saying nothin' new.

tyrone hill, deke, george lynch
they had excellent perimeter defenders in snow, mckie, kevin ollie and lynch
and AI against a parker/manu back court might have went for 35 every night
spurs would have still won. but i think that sixers team could have done better than this heat team just off the personnel tip
ppl forget that the sixers almost won game 3. that could have changed that series

then Shaq kicked out to Fisher for that three and it got into foul shots.

Sixers were never actually gonna win that series, though, 2001 playoff Shaq was just too beastly to be denied.

They were better than any of the other teams out West that year tho.

And they were a better version of themselves with Ratliff/Nazr/Kukoc than Deke.

>Sixers were never actually gonna win that series, though, 2001
>playoff Shaq was just too beastly to be denied.
Kobe wet the bed in Gm 1 which is why the Lakers lost.

>They were better than any of the other teams out West that
>year tho.
LMAO....they were a Vince Carter 3 away from being eliminated in the 2nd round. Then in the ECF they were a Glen Robinson turnaround away from being down 3-2 & having to play Gm 6 w/ a severely incapacitated AI. The high octane Kings (the closest thing to the 2013-14 Spurs)would have given them MAJOR trouble (http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200103160PHI.html). The Kings could have made it a long series against the Lakers if they had the balls to make a couple of clutch baskets in the 4th quarter. Too bad they didn't have Bibby in 2001.

>And they were a better version of themselves with
>Ratliff/Nazr/Kukoc than Deke.
True, Theo/Toni used to be able to run the floor or spot up for easy baskets...w/ Deke/Jumaine Jones on the floor they couldn't get as many easy baskets which was a major issue. Overall, the 2001 Sixers were a more seasoned version of the 2007 Cavs.

>tyrone hill, deke, george lynch
>they had excellent perimeter defenders in snow, mckie, kevin
>ollie and lynch

In the WCF the Spurs took out defensive ace Thabo out of the series along w/ board crashers Collison/Perk b/c OKC couldn't keep up w/ the Spurs on the other end of the court. Besides, Kawhi/Timmay/Splitter/Diaw are as good a rebounding quartet than any quartet the Sixers had in 2001.
-LMAO @ Ollie getting mentioned..Patty would have run circles around him & Lynch was Thabo status.
-Kawhi would have killed McKie in the post & AI's ball hawking ass would have been burnt by Danny green.
-We all know what Top5 did to E.Snow in 2007.
-Matt Geiger would have been picked-n-rolled to death.
-Jumaine Jones getting MAJOR ticks in the Finals..........LMAO! Diaw would have obliterated him.

>and AI against a parker/manu back court might have went for 35
>every night
LMAO @ Top5/Manu checking the PRIME Iverson. Danny Green/Kawhi (the designated perimeter defenders)would have rotated on AI & wore him out. The Spurs would have clogged the paint (it's not like the Sixers had ANY legit shooters) & dared AI to beat them shooting mid-ranges ala Bron in 2013 Finals.

>spurs would have still won. but i think that sixers team could
>have done better than this heat team just off the personnel
>tip
>ppl forget that the sixers almost won game 3. that could have
>changed that series
The Spurs SWEPT a similar team in 2007 & beat a better version of the Sixers (OKC) in the WCF. KD was the scoring champ/MVP just like AI & Ibaka was playing the Deke role w/ Adams helping him out ala Tyrone Hill. Except OKC had Russy/Reggie while the Sixers had Snow/McKie.

Warren is in here making valid points.

FILF is raising the 'genda levels to new heights.

Vex calling it like he sees it.

Garhart molestanigga is being extra as usual.

Either way, I support an archive. I'm going to put this post up as an example every time someone accuses me of being a troll.

We got the championship belt until June 2015, bitchez!

This dude really thinks Antoine Carr was gonna worry Tim Duncan.


36 YEAR OLD,WASHED UP ANTOINE FUCKING CARR
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