Really hope this stream lasts for the entire event, I didn't have any problems with the HOF last night but I only watched the first hour or so of the ceremony. I'm also going this is a really good show tonight, it has the potential if the writers don't screw it up....


Tonight's Card

Pre Show Match - The Usos vs. The Real Americans vs. Rybaxel vs. Los Matadores in a Fatal Four-Way Match for the WWE Tag Team Championships

The Shield vs. Kane and The New Age Outlaws

AJ Lee vs. Naomi, Emma, Nikki Bella, Brie Bella, Aksana, Eva Marie, Tamina Snuka, Summer Rae, Natalya, Rosa Mendes, Alicia Fox, Layla and Cameron in the Vickie Guerrero WWE Divas Championship Invitational Match

Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal Match featuring Dolph Ziggler, WWE Intercontinental Champion Big E, Fandango, Alberto Del Rio, Damien Sandow, Titus O’Neil, Christian, Sheamus, Big Show, Mark Henry, Heath Slater, Jinder Mahal, Drew McIntyre, Cody Rhodes, Goldust, Kofi Kingston, The Miz, Brodus Clay, Darren Young, Justin Gabriel, Rey Mysterious, R-Truth, Santino Marella, The Great Khali, Zack Ryder, Sin Cara, Brad Maddox and others to be determined

John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt

The Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar

Daniel Bryan vs. Triple H (Winner Earns A Spot In The WWE World Heavyweight Title Match)

Randy Orton vs. Batista vs. Winner of Triple H vs. Daniel Bryan in a Triple Threat Match for the WWE World Heavyweight Championship




We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
- Andy Mineo

Heh.

But no, I don't think he does, not yet.

I think Cena wasn't playing when he was talking about helping to put the new guys over

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Subliminals only work for rap guys, bro

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Subliminals only work for rap guys, bro

please make it happen.

>please make it happen.


Yes indeed

Should be a good show and the network should be fine

I'm running it on two devices just in case

Big names coming, apparently, or apparently not

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Subliminals only work for rap guys, bro

if he is i'd be surprised if anybody else wins.

more often then I am with it.

I'm ready for him to get a big singles push. However, he and Swagger have the best looking tag team offense right now of any team. They wreck dudes together.

Also, Cesaro was on Grantland's Cheap Heat podcast the other day, and he seemed like a good dude. He was pretty funny, too. I didn't really know anything about him or his life pre-wrestling, so that stuff was fun to hear about. Hope he's around a long time.

>I'm ready for him to get a big singles push. However, he and
>Swagger have the best looking tag team offense right now of
>any team. They wreck dudes together.
>
>Also, Cesaro was on Grantland's Cheap Heat podcast the other
>day, and he seemed like a good dude. He was pretty funny, too.
>I didn't really know anything about him or his life
>pre-wrestling, so that stuff was fun to hear about. Hope he's
>around a long time.

I'm not torn at all. I'm pretty confident that he's dope with an outrageously awesome offense. And I know he can go. It'll be fun if they let him go.

>I'm not torn at all. I'm pretty confident that he's dope with
>an outrageously awesome offense. And I know he can go. It'll
>be fun if they let him go.

Yeah, it seems like he's going solo now. Should be good.

.

.

Oh shit! Double Oh Shit! Already! Shit is outta control already. And only one of these dudes is not crippled. I don't care! Awesome!

By the way...this feed is looking good as hell so far. Jinx. Reverse jinx. Whatever...keep going.

Jimaveli

>Really hope this stream lasts for the entire event, I didn't
>have any problems with the HOF last night but I only watched
>the first hour or so of the ceremony. I'm also going this is
>a really good show tonight, it has the potential if the
>writers don't screw it up....
>
>
>Tonight's Card
>
>Pre Show Match - The Usos vs. The Real Americans vs. Rybaxel
>vs. Los Matadores in a Fatal Four-Way Match for the WWE Tag
>Team Championships
>
>The Shield vs. Kane and The New Age Outlaws
>
>AJ Lee vs. Naomi, Emma, Nikki Bella, Brie Bella, Aksana, Eva
>Marie, Tamina Snuka, Summer Rae, Natalya, Rosa Mendes, Alicia
>Fox, Layla and Cameron in the Vickie Guerrero WWE Divas
>Championship Invitational Match
>
>Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal Match featuring Dolph
>Ziggler, WWE Intercontinental Champion Big E, Fandango,
>Alberto Del Rio, Damien Sandow, Titus O’Neil, Christian,
>Sheamus, Big Show, Mark Henry, Heath Slater, Jinder Mahal,
>Drew McIntyre, Cody Rhodes, Goldust, Kofi Kingston, The Miz,
>Brodus Clay, Darren Young, Justin Gabriel, Rey Mysterious,
>R-Truth, Santino Marella, The Great Khali, Zack Ryder, Sin
>Cara, Brad Maddox and others to be determined
>
>John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt
>
>The Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar
>
>Daniel Bryan vs. Triple H (Winner Earns A Spot In The WWE
>World Heavyweight Title Match)
>
>Randy Orton vs. Batista vs. Winner of Triple H vs. Daniel
>Bryan in a Triple Threat Match for the WWE World Heavyweight
>Championship
>
>
>
>
>We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
>That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
>Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
>We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
>- Andy Mineo

The Rock and Austin having a handshake is fantastic. The Rock and Austin shitting on Hogan's mistake from earlier is fantastic.

>The Rock and Austin having a handshake is fantastic. The Rock
>and Austin shitting on Hogan's mistake from earlier is
>fantastic.

And now I get HHH vs DB? Hell yeah. I'm glad HHH didn't Shockmaster himself going down those steps.

.

Is shot allegedly...like Edge-level or a little worse depending on who you ask. And he has other ailments too.

Goddamn, this is perfect.

>Goddamn, this is perfect.

Steph looks good as hell, HHH did himself a favor cutting his hair and looking ready to wrestle, and I'm about sure that he's gonna do this right. And I'm AMPED about it.

.

i love it!

>.

She's even doing the solid heel manager shouting and acting. She's loses her shit every time DB gets offense and looks like she's about to mess up her shorts every time HHH gets something going.

Benoit/WM 20 in this match. Germans, crossfaces, headbutt, etc. The rolling crossface makes it clear that they're doing it on purpose. Good wrestling nerd shit.

>Really hope this stream lasts for the entire event, I didn't
>have any problems with the HOF last night but I only watched
>the first hour or so of the ceremony. I'm also going this is
>a really good show tonight, it has the potential if the
>writers don't screw it up....
>
>
>Tonight's Card
>
>Pre Show Match - The Usos vs. The Real Americans vs. Rybaxel
>vs. Los Matadores in a Fatal Four-Way Match for the WWE Tag
>Team Championships
>
>The Shield vs. Kane and The New Age Outlaws
>
>AJ Lee vs. Naomi, Emma, Nikki Bella, Brie Bella, Aksana, Eva
>Marie, Tamina Snuka, Summer Rae, Natalya, Rosa Mendes, Alicia
>Fox, Layla and Cameron in the Vickie Guerrero WWE Divas
>Championship Invitational Match
>
>Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal Match featuring Dolph
>Ziggler, WWE Intercontinental Champion Big E, Fandango,
>Alberto Del Rio, Damien Sandow, Titus O’Neil, Christian,
>Sheamus, Big Show, Mark Henry, Heath Slater, Jinder Mahal,
>Drew McIntyre, Cody Rhodes, Goldust, Kofi Kingston, The Miz,
>Brodus Clay, Darren Young, Justin Gabriel, Rey Mysterious,
>R-Truth, Santino Marella, The Great Khali, Zack Ryder, Sin
>Cara, Brad Maddox and others to be determined
>
>John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt
>
>The Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar
>
>Daniel Bryan vs. Triple H (Winner Earns A Spot In The WWE
>World Heavyweight Title Match)
>
>Randy Orton vs. Batista vs. Winner of Triple H vs. Daniel
>Bryan in a Triple Threat Match for the WWE World Heavyweight
>Championship
>
>
>
>
>We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
>That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
>Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
>We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
>- Andy Mineo

>Benoit/WM 20 in this match. Germans, crossfaces, headbutt,
>etc. The rolling crossface makes it clear that they're doing
>it on purpose. Good wrestling nerd shit.
>

Awesome. Didn't even think about, and I just rewatched that one this week. Nicely done.

.

OH! And now we get the fucking Shield?!!??!!!!

The Shield interrupting the Outlaws!!!!!! They're not fucking around tonight.

He showed a mountain of ass. He took a kick out of his finisher and laid down for the ultra move of WWE right now.

That shit was so awesome that folks don't even care about the Shield doing all of their normal stuff. Double triple power bomb!? I'm cool with that.

And now...we get a damn...

Jimaveli

>Really hope this stream lasts for the entire event, I didn't
>have any problems with the HOF last night but I only watched
>the first hour or so of the ceremony. I'm also going this is
>a really good show tonight, it has the potential if the
>writers don't screw it up....
>
>
>Tonight's Card
>
>Pre Show Match - The Usos vs. The Real Americans vs. Rybaxel
>vs. Los Matadores in a Fatal Four-Way Match for the WWE Tag
>Team Championships
>
>The Shield vs. Kane and The New Age Outlaws
>
>AJ Lee vs. Naomi, Emma, Nikki Bella, Brie Bella, Aksana, Eva
>Marie, Tamina Snuka, Summer Rae, Natalya, Rosa Mendes, Alicia
>Fox, Layla and Cameron in the Vickie Guerrero WWE Divas
>Championship Invitational Match
>
>Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal Match featuring Dolph
>Ziggler, WWE Intercontinental Champion Big E, Fandango,
>Alberto Del Rio, Damien Sandow, Titus O’Neil, Christian,
>Sheamus, Big Show, Mark Henry, Heath Slater, Jinder Mahal,
>Drew McIntyre, Cody Rhodes, Goldust, Kofi Kingston, The Miz,
>Brodus Clay, Darren Young, Justin Gabriel, Rey Mysterious,
>R-Truth, Santino Marella, The Great Khali, Zack Ryder, Sin
>Cara, Brad Maddox and others to be determined
>
>John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt
>
>The Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar
>
>Daniel Bryan vs. Triple H (Winner Earns A Spot In The WWE
>World Heavyweight Title Match)
>
>Randy Orton vs. Batista vs. Winner of Triple H vs. Daniel
>Bryan in a Triple Threat Match for the WWE World Heavyweight
>Championship
>
>
>
>
>We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
>That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
>Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
>We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
>- Andy Mineo

We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
- Andy Mineo

Or do they have something else coming up later? I hope so. I'd hate to have their 'Mania night consist of a 2-mintue squash. A fun 2-minute squash, certainly, but still.

freezing, repeating, stopping, farting, burping...

don't even try to watch from the beginning.

>freezing, repeating, stopping, farting, burping...
>
>don't even try to watch from the beginning.

I'm plugged in and running with about a 30-second delay. I've had ONE 'damn' delay that lasted about 15 seconds. Besides that, I've been fine so far.

I have/had the PS3 running downstairs on some just in-case shit.

ADR was doing moves and shit with 16 dudes in the rumble. Cesaro is my guy right now...forreal.

.

The guys is so clearly awesome. And I'm not even up on his ROH stuff..I just remember him vaguely being dope.

That battle royal was better than expected. Heckuva spot by Kofi, and of course, Cesaro.

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Subliminals only work for rap guys, bro

We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
- Andy Mineo

cool.

Double turn is there if they want it.

.

.

The nigga (yeah, I said it) showed ass for the entire match and let them dudes get all of their offense in

Y'all kill me acting like Bray coming up in that match is invalidated because the dude y'all hate didn't look up at the lights in the end

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Subliminals only work for rap guys, bro

Like he couldn't still do the Make A Wish joints if he had a summer where he just threw people through and off of shit.

They had a chance to do it there.

i'm guessing this will end up as yet another blue balls cena heel tease.

.

>.

He could show up and throw people off of and through shit for a summer and it would be on. He already jumps up out of nowhere and AAs his way up on wins. People could kick out of an AA and that would make him lose it and break out the ring steps, tables, etc, etc.

And he's strong so he could do some awesome 'I'm strong' stuff.

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Subliminals only work for rap guys, bro

they had an easy out to do something fresh w/ him for once and they took the most stale option on the table.

.

The casket on the scene for Brock already.

And folks...don't worry. Taker ain't losing. The mission is making sure we at least THINK he could lose. I'm talking ONE mildly believable near fall.

Or...

Jimaveli

>Really hope this stream lasts for the entire event, I didn't
>have any problems with the HOF last night but I only watched
>the first hour or so of the ceremony. I'm also going this is
>a really good show tonight, it has the potential if the
>writers don't screw it up....
>
>
>Tonight's Card
>
>Pre Show Match - The Usos vs. The Real Americans vs. Rybaxel
>vs. Los Matadores in a Fatal Four-Way Match for the WWE Tag
>Team Championships
>
>The Shield vs. Kane and The New Age Outlaws
>
>AJ Lee vs. Naomi, Emma, Nikki Bella, Brie Bella, Aksana, Eva
>Marie, Tamina Snuka, Summer Rae, Natalya, Rosa Mendes, Alicia
>Fox, Layla and Cameron in the Vickie Guerrero WWE Divas
>Championship Invitational Match
>
>Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal Match featuring Dolph
>Ziggler, WWE Intercontinental Champion Big E, Fandango,
>Alberto Del Rio, Damien Sandow, Titus O’Neil, Christian,
>Sheamus, Big Show, Mark Henry, Heath Slater, Jinder Mahal,
>Drew McIntyre, Cody Rhodes, Goldust, Kofi Kingston, The Miz,
>Brodus Clay, Darren Young, Justin Gabriel, Rey Mysterious,
>R-Truth, Santino Marella, The Great Khali, Zack Ryder, Sin
>Cara, Brad Maddox and others to be determined
>
>John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt
>
>The Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar
>
>Daniel Bryan vs. Triple H (Winner Earns A Spot In The WWE
>World Heavyweight Title Match)
>
>Randy Orton vs. Batista vs. Winner of Triple H vs. Daniel
>Bryan in a Triple Threat Match for the WWE World Heavyweight
>Championship
>
>
>
>
>We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
>That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
>Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
>We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
>- Andy Mineo

.

A bunch of strikes typical big man strikes ain't bothering me. I need some shit with IMPACT that I can buy into, care about, and believe. Otherwise, I'm seeing it going somewhere around where the last couple ones have gone...and not even that well. HHH was trying to kill Taker...hitting him with errthang. That's why I'm calling for the arm break.

Brock aint been hittin him with no good stuff

.

That way WWE can sell the lie aka act like Taker ain't winning this shit.

>Really hope this stream lasts for the entire event, I didn't
>have any problems with the HOF last night but I only watched
>the first hour or so of the ceremony. I'm also going this is
>a really good show tonight, it has the potential if the
>writers don't screw it up....
>
>
>Tonight's Card
>
>Pre Show Match - The Usos vs. The Real Americans vs. Rybaxel
>vs. Los Matadores in a Fatal Four-Way Match for the WWE Tag
>Team Championships
>
>The Shield vs. Kane and The New Age Outlaws
>
>AJ Lee vs. Naomi, Emma, Nikki Bella, Brie Bella, Aksana, Eva
>Marie, Tamina Snuka, Summer Rae, Natalya, Rosa Mendes, Alicia
>Fox, Layla and Cameron in the Vickie Guerrero WWE Divas
>Championship Invitational Match
>
>Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal Match featuring Dolph
>Ziggler, WWE Intercontinental Champion Big E, Fandango,
>Alberto Del Rio, Damien Sandow, Titus O’Neil, Christian,
>Sheamus, Big Show, Mark Henry, Heath Slater, Jinder Mahal,
>Drew McIntyre, Cody Rhodes, Goldust, Kofi Kingston, The Miz,
>Brodus Clay, Darren Young, Justin Gabriel, Rey Mysterious,
>R-Truth, Santino Marella, The Great Khali, Zack Ryder, Sin
>Cara, Brad Maddox and others to be determined
>
>John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt
>
>The Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar
>
>Daniel Bryan vs. Triple H (Winner Earns A Spot In The WWE
>World Heavyweight Title Match)
>
>Randy Orton vs. Batista vs. Winner of Triple H vs. Daniel
>Bryan in a Triple Threat Match for the WWE World Heavyweight
>Championship
>
>
>
>
>We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
>That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
>Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
>We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
>- Andy Mineo

Told a story really well, and both of those dudes can go in the ring, obviously. They both came out looking good.

What would be really great is if this plays out some more. A Cena unsure of himself and getting super violent during matches would be awesome to watch for at least a little while. I'm really interested to see where both of these guys go from here.

How's everybody else doin'?

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Subliminals only work for rap guys, bro

I'm getting a few 3-second stops per match to let me know I'm living dangerously, but nothing crazy.

Taker is trying to carry this shit with some damn good selling, but nah...not buying it yo. I see a tombstone acoming.

I'm really surprised

This isn't working. Taker's got better left in him too. Shame.

.

I'm even more pissed that Shawn didn't win at 25 (or 26).

Well...they did it...folks everywhere are shocked.

because at least that was a pretty great match. This? EH.

marks in the crowd are STUNNED.

edit: i am too.

>marks in the crowd are STUNNED.
>
>edit: i am too.

I'm shocked that he laid down for punches, stomps, 2 weak germans, and 3 pretty cool F5s from a part-time wrestler. If he was gonna give up the streak, I wanted attempted murder...cuz yeah...I'm marking over this.

So...I guess Taker just goes away now?

.

you called it bro. well done.

didn't think taker/vince would put a guy over who wrestles three times a year now.

and Taker kicked out of the pin, I got discouraged. I figured that was it. It was time for Take to go, though. Dude was lookin like Larry Holmes...flabby and sick.

you would think he just found out that Santa Claus isn't real....




We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
- Andy Mineo

Could've put anybody over, and the match was terrible. That's a missed opportunity

It was worth it for like the minute of straight crowd shots after the pinfall. Holy shit, that was amazing.

Paul Heyman in disbelief
The shots of the crowd
The dead silence
The fact that Brock's music wasn't even cued up cause why would it?

>Paul Heyman in disbelief
>The shots of the crowd
>The dead silence
>The fact that Brock's music wasn't even cued up cause why
>would it?

It really was executed well. But I can't get over Brock not going with the 'I'm gonna kill this guy' approach and just doing it better than HHH did cuz he's bigger and stronger. A few F5s is certainly SOMETHING but c'mon...this is THE STREAK! Kill this old mofo. Give me an arm break. Give me an F5 onto/into the barrier, apron, and/or ring post. Give me something other than a few reversals and gut punches. Oh well...let's go, main event!

21-0 graphic change from a 0 to a 1, just to have it sink in

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Subliminals only work for rap guys, bro

https://twitter.com/xmasape/status/452988498262257664/photo/1

I fucking lost it when they lingered on that dude. I'm loving this show, and he is now my favorite part of it.

goddamn.

at least for a few weeks.

that Divas thing wasn't as bad as it could've been. Several chicks hit a few decent moves. I expect that they weren't stuck with the stigma that Natti is awesome in the ring cuz she's thick with no plastic and in the Hart Family.

STAND UP!!!!!!!

To the point where Bryan going over might suffer cause it really isn't gonna be THE moment of the night.

And this crowd is fucking DEAD right now.

And the announcers are still going on and on about it...good lawd. They needed to do that Taker loss earlier in the show.

This is almost enough to make me think they won't give it up to DB.

.

coming out to show even more ass for DB...heartwarming 'heel getting his' shit.

.

to sell the shit out of this and act like DB ought to be paralyzed, dead, something.

Instead we get the dry call cuz that's all the team is capable of.

By the way...DB is about to come out of this stretcher job and still win. Otherwise, yeah...New Orleans is gonna riot.

landed dead on that monitor.

.

.

.

can;t wait.

YES YES YES

I have no idea what to expect from tomorrow night's Raw, because tonight went how the last few post-Mania Raws have gone. It should be great. I guess Bryan opens the show, but at some point, I hope they give Heyman like an hour to just talk his shit. It's going to be glorious. I don't know how long Brock's sticking around, but if they build to Bryan-Brock for SummerSlam, I'd be so on board.

Props to WWE, th stream was flawless. What a game changer.

Wyatt winning would've made more sense. Lesnar winning makes no sense. Cesaro winning is great. Usos and AJ retaining is fine by me (great tag match, and the divas contest was a predictable mess of telegraphed spots). Shield wins, though the squash was strange (they got less than half the time the Divas match got).

I still haven't processed the Taker loss. Like, it must have been an accident.

I do not agree with the decision to end the streak, btw. This has to be Taker's swan song, why else would he lose... and to be real, the match wasn't good to begin with...

Also, where does this leave Sting?

Everything else was cool

And was it just me, or was the director missing a lot of shots in the main event? I counted at least 3 times where he missed Daniel Bryan coming from out of nowhere to attack Batista and Orton

I also wish they would stop selling Bryan as a plucky little miracle worker

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Subliminals only work for rap guys, bro

I blame Brock for the match honestly. Sure, taker might have some physical limitations as a 50-year old part-timer, but dude basically did 3 f5s and two Germans the whole match.

Sting is fucked now. Well...at least kinda. Him showing up to attack the streak books itself. Anything else is gonna require some work. And now it is fair for us all to be afraid that both guys are toast in the ring so there's that issues. Think wcw hogan vs warrior but not quite as bad cuz of the obvious spots they'd do that would work.

I can't call it on the camera. As for db, it's obvious that all of the wresting nerds on wwe's staff wanted to combine several underdog victories from the past and lump them together for db's night. Having him work two matches with an injury that he looked to be legit protecting was work of geniuses to me. HHH showed more ass than Prince in them ass-out joints. Dude did his part. Steph nailed shit as the heel manager too. Her commentary was better and more honest-sounding than Cole and them. And yes...even Boo and Randy did their part to play the 'fuck this guy, I want to win too' roles. The crowd was ready to riot on a couple of those non-db near falls. Mission accomplished!

I'm just glad that the wwe knew they had to give it to him. And they viewed it as their mission to create as much doubt as possible. That's wrestling 101 shit right there.

>I do not agree with the decision to end the streak, btw.
>This has to be Taker's swan song, why else would he lose...
>and to be real, the match wasn't good to begin with...
>
>Also, where does this leave Sting?
>
>Everything else was cool
>
>And was it just me, or was the director missing a lot of shots
>in the main event? I counted at least 3 times where he missed
>Daniel Bryan coming from out of nowhere to attack Batista and
>Orton
>
>I also wish they would stop selling Bryan as a plucky little
>miracle worker
>
>________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________
>Subliminals only work for rap guys, bro

The time for that was like 10 years ago at the latest, when Sting could still believably "out-quick" Taker.

(I also fail to see the hype of Sting. He got the benefit of having really great heels like Flair, Vader and the NWO to bounce off of- but dude is ATROCIOUS on the stick.)

I mean in the Hunter matches Taker just took an incredibly entertaining ass kicking for 30 minutes, and in the Punk match Punk bounced around almost as well as Ziggler. Last night against Lesnar, someone not as ring-smart as Hunter or as believably nimble as Punk, Taker's limited mobility was really present. It was a shame, and part of me wonders whether the match actually blew ON PURPOSE, so as to really make the finish that much more believable.

There's a shoot interview I've watched probably 3 times before of Taker during his biker phase on TSN in Canada. He talks about not wanting to be the old head sticking around past his prime and leaving the ring knowing he looked like shit and that there was a kid seeing him for the first time that he he didn't deliver for. With all of that in mind, I can't help but think maybe he wanted to go out and look dead on purpose...

They pretty much pulled it off for Mania. I haven't heard a lot of horror stories about long-lasting outages. Folks are bitching about a few pauses and skips here and there, but that was nothing experience-ruining for me. Good shit. And now I know it'll be on and popping when I'm the only one watching old PPVs in June.

Jimaveli

>Really hope this stream lasts for the entire event, I didn't
>have any problems with the HOF last night but I only watched
>the first hour or so of the ceremony. I'm also going this is
>a really good show tonight, it has the potential if the
>writers don't screw it up....
>
>
>Tonight's Card
>
>Pre Show Match - The Usos vs. The Real Americans vs. Rybaxel
>vs. Los Matadores in a Fatal Four-Way Match for the WWE Tag
>Team Championships
>
>The Shield vs. Kane and The New Age Outlaws
>
>AJ Lee vs. Naomi, Emma, Nikki Bella, Brie Bella, Aksana, Eva
>Marie, Tamina Snuka, Summer Rae, Natalya, Rosa Mendes, Alicia
>Fox, Layla and Cameron in the Vickie Guerrero WWE Divas
>Championship Invitational Match
>
>Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal Match featuring Dolph
>Ziggler, WWE Intercontinental Champion Big E, Fandango,
>Alberto Del Rio, Damien Sandow, Titus O’Neil, Christian,
>Sheamus, Big Show, Mark Henry, Heath Slater, Jinder Mahal,
>Drew McIntyre, Cody Rhodes, Goldust, Kofi Kingston, The Miz,
>Brodus Clay, Darren Young, Justin Gabriel, Rey Mysterious,
>R-Truth, Santino Marella, The Great Khali, Zack Ryder, Sin
>Cara, Brad Maddox and others to be determined
>
>John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt
>
>The Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar
>
>Daniel Bryan vs. Triple H (Winner Earns A Spot In The WWE
>World Heavyweight Title Match)
>
>Randy Orton vs. Batista vs. Winner of Triple H vs. Daniel
>Bryan in a Triple Threat Match for the WWE World Heavyweight
>Championship
>
>
>
>
>We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
>That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
>Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
>We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
>- Andy Mineo

I was fully expecting to just dish out the money to order it on TV. A few pauses here and there, but luckily when it came to (max 10 secs later) it started right where it left off so we didn't miss anything. Big win for WWE last night all around.

But B+ is great in this day and age, where they've typically opted for 30 minutes worth of D list celebrity appearances and music performances from acts like FloRida.

This was a different show, and nothing on it was flat out unbearable.

Sadly, the worst match of the night was Undertaker/Lesnar, and that was the case even before the swerve ending. That thing just never got off the ground, and I'm not sure what they were going for but I know it's far from the physical brawl I expected. Bad match, even worse ending. I'm not opposed to the streak ending, but why Lesnar? Why not Cena, Cesaro, Sheamus, Reigns? ANYONE else? Huge missed opportunity in my opinion, and in all it made for about 40 minutes of awkward TV. Unless Lesnar is moving into a program with Daniel Bryan...

Bryan is wildly popular and it was so fun to watch him tonight. Both matches were great, and I especially have to give it to Orton and Batista for giving it what they had with the creativity and execution they displayed tonight. (Batista is so done btw)

Skip Shane, I say bring back the Mean Street Posse

http://www.buzzfeed.com/golianopoulos/how-pro-wrestlings-scion-is-fighting-to-make-it-on-his-own

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With Bryan playing the "overcome the odds" injured spot, Orton had to be the guy pushing the match on. And MAN, did he. He made gassed-out Batista look like a damn boss, he played the sadistic heel savoring that ass-whooping, he cut his back open on a damn monitor and kept going.

Way to go, Randall.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vRiOHkC3GCI/U0IY1Hj0_KI/AAAAAAAADdM/llMj10RyQjA/w450-h254-no/NewPhenomLesnar.gif

Even Brock Lesnar Guy was stunned.

and LOL at those reactions

I haven't been into wrestling in years. I didn't know folk were still so invested in Taker

It feels like the building was a bit deflated after Taker/Brock and the Divas though, since the crowd wasn't as hype for Bryan as with other shows. Maybe after Taker the crowd realized that there was no way Bryan would lose so it took some of the anticipation away.

Props to The Shield on that match. It was clearly a squash because of time constraints, because that opening segment was at least 20 mins long, and there is no way they could reasonably cut short the other segments or matches. Consummate professionals, and it made sense because really, the NAO should not be fucking with them anyways.

Fucking Cesaro is THAT DUDE. Glad to see the big push, so let's see where he goes from here.

I was fine with the Cena/Wyatt match. Getting the tease was good, and hopefully they build upon it. Fantastic storytelling regardless of the ending and knowing what we know now from the Taker finish, turning Cena heel AND ending the Streak back to back may be too much. Raw will be interesting but I do agree that if this just ends up being another tease without freshening up his character then it'll be a waste.

And after the initial shock wore off and reading some comments online, the Streak ending here makes sense. I'm guessing that sometime between the match being booked and the actual match, Taker decided no more, and wanted to end it. Dude is old, he has a young kid and maybe he just decided he didn't want to put his body at risk anymore (explaining the terrible match). I'm sure WWE would have kept the Streak going for as long as Taker would want to keep it going, and we know Brock doesn't care if he wins or loses. And the way Taker went out makes sense in the "sports" world in general... old guys trying to hold on to their legacies tend not to go out with a bang, but with a whimper.

And it makes sense to lose to Brock. Giving the rub to an up and comer means that person is going to be tied to ending The Streak for the rest of his career, for good or for bad. Imagine if Punk broke it last year then he leaves the company... that means ending The Streak was a waste. Or breaking it on someone like Dolph, but what if he doesn't resonate with fans going forward? It's too uncertain. At least with Brock, despite his part-time status (or maybe because of it), the company knows what they have with him. And, frankly, it makes his "BEAST" status loom even larger, especially as a part-timer.

And hey look... he's all grown up!!!

http://i.imgur.com/Mu2PtQB.jpg

(jacked from reddit)

I think if he loses to Cena or Daniel Bryan I think everyone's pretty much cool with it.

>I think if he loses to Cena

If he loses to Cena, Cena is the arch-heel of all time.

Which would be cool for many of us, but...

I'd love to live in a world where there's no "they really need to turn Cena heel now" discussion around the time of Mania every year.

I also still want to know exactly what turning Cena heel is going to do for the company without hearing any claptrap about it "freshening up his character." We get it, y'all, he's stale. But the only thing turning him heel does is stop little kids and girls from cheering him.

And I don't want to hear anything about "well it gives Daniel Bryan another person to work with" either. Daniel's got plenty of heels to work with if they keep the title on him.

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A heel Cena/face Bryan program would push Bryan even further and cement him firmly as the #1 face.

This notion that Cena being the #1 make a wish guy and pushes a ton of merch and the kids and girls love him so they just can't give him the turn is absurd to me.

The guy that can replace him as the perfect #1 babyface in the PG era is here, and he's a guy who organically works in PG fashion and doesn't come across as corny or forced, certainly isn't stale, doesn't split the crowd down the middle, and is primed to be a merch machine now.

Turning Cena into a heel and building, to, say, a Bryan/Cena II at Summerslam with both men firmly cemented on opposite sides of the fence would do numbers, give us a fresh take on Cena that's actually interesting, while passing the torch to the next guy in the process.

IMO that's great business.

The notion of turning Cena heel after mania always comes up because they always tease it and there's been some great material to do it with.

In years past, the way the crowd shits on him despite him working like a dog for them while they suck off the Rock who comes around on Christmas acting like a baby daddy who thinks that's all that matters was a perfect setup.

This shit with the Wyatts is equally perfect fodder, except you have a darker psychological setup with the same result. The bottom line to me is that a monster heel Cena can do big business while elevating a guy like Bryan even higher in the process. It won't happen, but it's not a ridiculous thing to want.

is that Cena's heel turn can be built organically from this point. Have the feud continue until the next ppv, with it culminating in Cena finally snapping then proceeds to beat Bray into a pulp... all in the name of preserving his "legacy". Shock and discomfort in the back, maybe Cena overhears whispers and challenges these people to matches (be they face or heel), beating them all silly. It doesn't have to be immediate either. Make it a slow burn over the course of the next year or so and have him run through various heels while slowly getting more and more unhinged each time.

The potential continuity with the Wyatts is great too. They were successful with Kane, couldn't get through to Bryan, and now are working on Cena (which will take time).

Little kids may stop cheering for Cena (eventually) but that makes the even-longer-term redemption story that much more impactful. Just because they turn Cena heel doesn't mean they need to keep him there indefinitely.

No.

in Bryan.

Cena didn't become the Merch Monster overnight.
They pushed him to that level.

Bryan can get to that level.

Do you think those kids are going to just stop watching?
Do you think those kids are just going to stop begging mom and dad for WWE shirts and action figures?

I wonder how they survived after Hogan, Rock, Austin, etc moved on.

Oh yeah: they just went and made more superstars.

They currently have the perfect PG Era Superstar to market in a way that appeals to a broad audience.

It will be much more difficult for him to take that mantle as long as WWE insists on welding it to Cenas shoulders. You don't wait until he's dead and gone to put that next big name in his spot, you strike while the iron is hot and that time is most definitely now.

"I think John Cena is stale and they should just turn him so his character can get a shot in the arm/be reinvigorated/be a fresh heel for the champion because we need to see stuff we haven't seen before and surprises keep me interested"

He is still the biggest attraction they have for kids. Not Rey. Not Sin Cara. Not Daniel Bryan. Not Roman Reigns - yet. They're working on making him the next guy. In any event you can't just say, "Well, it's time for a new kid attraction so turn him and make a new dude." It's not that simple, and folks keep forgetting that. Cena's still moving units with kids and girls, doing the most charity and Make-A-Wish requests of anybody.

But, you know, fuck that, I'm a grown dude wrestling fan and I'm tired of seeing Cena do shit that doesn't appeal to me so they should just turn him to regain my interest, fuck all that corporate shit.

Good luck selling that to Vince, guys.

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>"I think John Cena is stale and they should just turn him so
>his character can get a shot in the arm/be reinvigorated/be a
>fresh heel for the champion because we need to see stuff we
>haven't seen before and surprises keep me interested"

Interesting, since those are actually great reasons to turn him.

>He is still the biggest attraction they have for kids. Not
>Rey. Not Sin Cara. Not Daniel Bryan. Not Roman Reigns -
>yet. They're working on making him the next guy. In any
>event you can't just say, "Well, it's time for a new kid
>attraction so turn him and make a new dude."

That's literally not what I said at all. Stop playing fast and loose with my words just so you can ignite yet another thread derailing snarkfest.What I *actually* said was that Bryan is primed and ready to step into that slot, and can be pushed to that level now. You're talking as though there's no way they can make another guy to sell merch and make little kids happy, despite actual facts and historical evidence that says they can and have made those guys in the past.

You're talking as though the fact that nobody else is as popular means they can't build someone to that level.

You're also talking as though I'm suggesting turning him heel without having a credible guy to take on that role.

>But, you know, fuck that, I'm a grown dude wrestling fan and
>I'm tired of seeing Cena do shit that doesn't appeal to me so
>they should just turn him to regain my interest, fuck all that
>corporate shit.
>
>Good luck selling that to Vince, guys.

Yeah, because, you know, I said want Cena to turn because I'm a grown man who is tired of him and he doesn't appeal to him. That's totally been my reasoning.

That doesn't sound like me though.

Perhaps it's because that's literally not what I said at all, wonder of wonders.

I'm actually talking smart business.

You know, about making the next guy.

Not some imaginary guy, but a guy who is there and peaking as we speak. A guy who is ready to take the ball and run. When Cena betrays those kids and attacks the reigning good guy on the block, guess who they jump ship to?

You do this because you don't know if you can get another guy over like that while Cena is still in prime form. You get a second life out of Cena while he's still big business and leverage his popularity to pour into a youth movement and pass the torch in a tangible way.

But hey, you keep pretending that there's no logic and I'm just another frat guy who hates Cena because because because because.

Or... here's a thought. You can gave a conversation that actually takes the other persons actual words into consideration instead of making shit up so you have something to smirk at.

Again, it's good business. You see that he sells merch and does make a wish and is easily their most marketable guy, and those are valid points when you're not inventing substandard logic out of thin air to argue against. The fact is we have a guy who can be the next guy and is ready to take that step into that upper echelon, and it's going to be hard to make him while Cena's shadow looms.

If you want to disagree, then PLEASE make an attempt to do so by using the actual words that I've written, not some shit you made up out of thin air just to get another negative exchange going.

Further, we're talking to each other on a message board, not sitting in a WWE Creative meeting with Vince trying to sell him on it. Way to keep a conversation in context there.

Apparently, we're not just shooting the shit here, we're in a creative meeting trying to sell Vince on our ideas. Thanks for the heads up.

I'm sure whatever it is you just typed was wordy and great, though.

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Subliminals only work for rap guys, bro

If you did, you wouldn't have written the idiotic post that prompted the second.

really felt like HHH is ready to turn the page and its about damn time.

undertaker only wrestles wrestlemania. he's the 'ultimate part timer'
i get that undertaker is the guy that never switched (wcw/tna/ecw) & vince is gratful
i'm a huge cm punk fan, but he knows wwe is in a good place with or without him
cesaro, all 3 shield guys, db, wyatt, i'll throw orton in there because he's still young and is a classic heel

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Subliminals only work for rap guys, bro

combine them.
strip both champs
super tournament with all shield members, cody, cesaro, bray, mark henry, ziggler
put the belt cesaro

jump start a brock/db program for the title
let orton rest up

*why isn't the big gold belt even that big anymore? (big gold belt ---> http://www.wwe.com/f/reign/image/2007/02/4123400.jpg)

wonder if they will pick a new youngin to train up.

Coming out, taunting the smarks.

I loved that match so much.

This crowd has been real fun so far, too.

Wyatts getting that rock star treatment.

Hopefully Harper and Rowan slowly get to flesh out their characters throughout the rest of the year.

as was bray smiling as a result.

I'm a Boliever

Bo & that gimmick are gold. Can't wait to see what he does on the main roster

The mad is so visible. This is the perfect playground for Heyman to do his thing. And of course, he's killing it. Love that guy.

>Really hope this stream lasts for the entire event, I didn't
>have any problems with the HOF last night but I only watched
>the first hour or so of the ceremony. I'm also going this is
>a really good show tonight, it has the potential if the
>writers don't screw it up....
>
>
>Tonight's Card
>
>Pre Show Match - The Usos vs. The Real Americans vs. Rybaxel
>vs. Los Matadores in a Fatal Four-Way Match for the WWE Tag
>Team Championships
>
>The Shield vs. Kane and The New Age Outlaws
>
>AJ Lee vs. Naomi, Emma, Nikki Bella, Brie Bella, Aksana, Eva
>Marie, Tamina Snuka, Summer Rae, Natalya, Rosa Mendes, Alicia
>Fox, Layla and Cameron in the Vickie Guerrero WWE Divas
>Championship Invitational Match
>
>Andre The Giant Memorial Battle Royal Match featuring Dolph
>Ziggler, WWE Intercontinental Champion Big E, Fandango,
>Alberto Del Rio, Damien Sandow, Titus O’Neil, Christian,
>Sheamus, Big Show, Mark Henry, Heath Slater, Jinder Mahal,
>Drew McIntyre, Cody Rhodes, Goldust, Kofi Kingston, The Miz,
>Brodus Clay, Darren Young, Justin Gabriel, Rey Mysterious,
>R-Truth, Santino Marella, The Great Khali, Zack Ryder, Sin
>Cara, Brad Maddox and others to be determined
>
>John Cena vs. Bray Wyatt
>
>The Undertaker vs. Brock Lesnar
>
>Daniel Bryan vs. Triple H (Winner Earns A Spot In The WWE
>World Heavyweight Title Match)
>
>Randy Orton vs. Batista vs. Winner of Triple H vs. Daniel
>Bryan in a Triple Threat Match for the WWE World Heavyweight
>Championship
>
>
>
>
>We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
>That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
>Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
>We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
>- Andy Mineo

He's unfuckwithable.

Sounded like that was his second theme though, sadly.

or is that too much to ask for.

Saw this the other day. Who knows.

http://bit.ly/1gFMTc0

man uoeno.

But who cares. Been waiting for this pairing since he debuted.

Just let him talk for like half the roster.

Not really, but I'm excited about his pairing. It's off to a strong start with Heyman cradling the trophy in his arms.

Also, I've spent the last week or so using the Network to go back and watch all of the WCW War Games matches, and since we're not near Survivor Series, if Triple H and Vince wanna throw two rings together and toss a cage on top of them for what it looks like will be an eight-man tag, that'd be cool with me.

I'm guessing (hoping) The Shield and Bryan on one side and Evolution/Kane on the other on RAW?

>I'm guessing (hoping) The Shield and Bryan on one side and
>Evolution/Kane on the other on RAW?

Before the main event, Batista and Orton came to ring and beat down Bryan. Then Kane came out and helped them out. Then Triple H came out for his title match, but before he could pin Bryan, the Shield came out and cleared the ring. Bryan knee'd Triple H and Yes'd on a turnbuckle while the Shield did their all-hands-in thing.

So, it seems like at some we're getting that eight-man tag. I'd assume it's at the next PPV, but maybe it'll just be on Raw or something. Either way, War Games that shit!

Not sure if I can make it to the finish now lol

Not sure if I can make it to the finish now lol

I'm guessing (hoping) The Shield and Bryan on one side and Evolution/Kane on the other on RAW?

Trips would have to do the biggest sell job of all time on Vince to make it happen, but I'd fucking love to see it.

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meanwhile JTG is still on contract. i wonder what he does.

His big spot was a body slam, a scream, a body slam, a scream, and another body slam.

Just really, really boring.

JTG should get more burn though.

It was reported that Mania would be her last show

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Loved every decision they made, and this crowd was incredible. Might've even topped last year's post-wrestlemania crowd, which seems impossible. Cesaro is a Heyman guy! Paige's finisher wasn't smooth, but I love that she's champ, even if it's a little early. Bryan and Shield working together (WHAT?!). Love everyone making fun of Hogan for the Superdome gaffe. Heyman's Undertaker promo was fantastic stuff. Bad News Barrett finally starts wrestling. Not sure how I feel about Rusev yet, but Lana gets me on board.

I'm halfway in and they're batting 1.000 to me. Yep, I'm counting Emma in those booty shorts as a win.

Cause that would be swell. Thanks.

Back when every other promo was interrupted by the crowd yelling "What?"

Not now

But it's been replaced in the Annoying Crowd Chant Hall of Fame by *clap clap clap-clap-clap* "This-is-Awe-some!"

Sorry, but it has

No anger or mad, just an observation

For those concerned

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Subliminals only work for rap guys, bro

The fans are getting carried away now with the chanting, but otherwise this was a fantastic Raw.

That ending was the first ending in ages that really made me amped for the following weeks episode.

I'd love to see The Shield devote themselves to protecting Bryan from the injustice of the Authority through the next couple of PPV's.

Bryan Alvarez reported that after the video played (which was great, btw), the crowd chanted "You Are Welcome," "Us! Us! Us! Us!," and "We Are Awesome"

I really hope that the "WWE Officials" don't get all legit pissy when these things happen

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Subliminals only work for rap guys, bro

relegated to the Raw post show on the network, because they've been two of the strongest promos he's done

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Subliminals only work for rap guys, bro

Hilarious.

damn this dude was just on TV last night too.

http://www.tmz.com/2014/04/08/ultimate-warrior-dead-dies-wwe/

Just stunned right now.

Thoughts and prayers go out to his family.

Especially after last nights promo and his HOF speech.

forreal this time?

RIP

I was just catching up on Raw earlier, and was waxing nostalgic to my wife about how I grew up loving Warrior. It was a trip to hear that voice and that snarl, like no time had passed whatsoever.

Damn this sucks... RIP Warrior. Glad we got to see him in the mask one last time at least.

Not only was it nice to see that he had somewhat reconciled with Vince and got inducted into the Hall of Fame, it was also clear during his induction speech that he was really wounded by that Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior DVD that Vince put out a few years ago. It's good to know that there's a new Ultimate Collection DVD coming out, which I'm sure in his mind was a more fitting tribute to him and his character.

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.

which, while sad, is somewhat of a relief to know it wasn't suicide.

he was the one guy I thought would last a while.

So stoked for Cesaro vs. Henry.

Cesaro seems the obvious but I don't think we get a face vs face feud. I'm guessing Swagger costs him a match.

RVD also makes sense but again the face vs face, plus let one of these young guys get in the IC title picture.

But I agree, if you're gonna do something with that character, this is as good an opportunity as any.

Leading to a triple threat at the PPV.

that's probably it

Give the man something.

Didn't expect Mark to get squashed like that.

It was weird to just not have it

So they can't keep using that one.

Maybe he'll get a new one in the coming weeks??

I'm sure Jim Johnston will come up with something.

Cena with his corny ass comedy hour routine is really killing the mood Bray sets.

Like if I had to explain to someone why I hate John Cena when he is so popular I'd show them that interview.

.

Cena just isn't the right guy for this angle to go on for a long time if he isn't just going to black out at some point and beat the hell out of all of them with chains, chairs, etc.

Black jorts psycho Cena during the fall wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if he got a chance to try to outstrong folks. Or if wrestling was still wrestling, he'd just act like the worst-case scenario of what people think of flamboyant black athletes (think TO). He'd be wearing bodysuits and looking at himself in the mirror backstage, hitting people with a super shiny and 'expensive' 4-finger gold ring, cheating, and having violent outbursts as a reaction to basically anything. Oh...and he'd be back to rapping...maybe even with a big black dude as a bodyguard. Too bad Zeke Jackson can't even stand around and be big for 7 months ala Diesel during his HBK bodyguard phase.

Nevamind...gotta make them wishes and sell those lime green t-shirts. I say make a lime green 'YES' shirt and give Cena a go at being terribly bad (as a heel) for a while. Then, use the kids or his dad calling him out to turn him back to fruity pebbles Cena to help folks stop Evolution from running/ruining everything.

a few weeks ago he went on about how bray looked homeless and such, they realized it made bray look bad so the next week cena was scared and they ran with that. last night was a total burial.

.

10:46 and 3 tourney matches plus the main event left

Something has to go fast

"Bah gawd, those sons of bitches are beating the Shield like government mules. Why dammit? WHY?!"

This crew? Silence.

>

There has to be post-show meetings where these announcing issues are discussed, cussed about, and/or replayed for effect. Sure, the 'orgasm over everything' style has its limits too. But going with the 'legit injury silence' 1-3x a show in reasonably normal wrestling situations makes no sense.

Or maybe they are doing it on purpose...

>

bray vs. cena in a steel cage (confirmed)

shield vs. evolution (the direction its going) I don't see aitch working a crazy gimmick match, so it'll probably be no DQ

cesaro vs. big e (cesaro should make it out the tourney, unless they make swagger cost him)

bryan vs. kane 1st blood or I quit match. Should be a great blowoff match for Kane.

usos vs rybxel vs. brotherhood bring back a crazy tlc match

>bray vs. cena in a steel cage (confirmed)
>
>shield vs. evolution (the direction its going) I don't see
>aitch working a crazy gimmick match, so it'll probably be no
>DQ
>
>cesaro vs. big e (cesaro should make it out the tourney,
>unless they make swagger cost him)
>
>bryan vs. kane 1st blood or I quit match. Should be a great
>blowoff match for Kane.
>
>usos vs rybxel vs. brotherhood bring back a crazy tlc match

not particularly excited for kane/bryan again, but a different spin on it will be cool. i'd like to see what paige and aj do with a longer rematch too.

Although Wade was not over at all last night so maybe his momentum from the Raw after Mania will die and they will sour on him in the next week.

i think big e should drop it to cesaro now though since he's hot & the ic needs legitimacy
have the feud with swagger involve the strap.
right now the midcard looks extremely strong (ring work wise) - cesaro, adr, rvd, mark henry, sheamus, ziggler
all the above mentioned guys should be good filler in between authoritybryan/cenawyatt/shieldevolution

Why isn't he?
Serious question.

Dude is an amazing wrestler... Really...AMAZING!

But was absolute shit on the mic... and then he bleached his head...

They gave him a ton of push attempts

Now some were awful (Shelton's Mama)

But team Angle was a legit attempt, he beat HHH clean on Raw, had several title reigns.

He just never connected with the majority of fans

edit: 3!!!

- JR

dean not giving a fuck about the US title belt.

>dean not giving a fuck about the US title belt.

Ending with that meek ass, robotic "deal with that!" bullshit.

Ending with that meek ass, robotic "deal with that!" bullshit.

As does Reigns, by the way

Personally I can't wait until Ambrose gets unleashed on the mic. If we get even a diluted fraction of Moxley then WWE will be in great shape in the promo department between himself, Bray, Barrett's Bad News promos,, etc.

Anyhow Rollins is a little iffy but I think he'll settle in soon enough.

Not sure what to make of Cesaro's new theme. Didn't get to hear much of it, but what I heard wasn't exactly what I was hoping for.

They did for me, which is bullshit. Never cut away from Heyman with a mic.

I was digging that air raid theme for Cesaro, though.

shed a tear over.

Seriously

I damn near get shoot angry when people tell me they don't like Sheamus. He's a Hoss's Hoss if there ever was one, and it's high time he got a feud with Brock if you ask me.

That said, he and Barrett have always put on stellar matches together.
I'm glad the crowd rewarded them for tonight's effort.

.

to a point of overdose. The worst thing is dealing with false hosses (looking at Dave only because he's standing in front of Ryback in the fake hoss line).

And sure...it is wrestling..WWE at that. We're not gonna have 25 Dean Malenkos flipping around doing nerdy awesome stuff and homages all night long. There's gonna be hosses all up and down the card. But 'man! This dude is skrong!' gets old when you get lied to enough times when a big guy who isn't that strong or good gets billed as 'you should care because he's super duper strong' and Cesaro and Cena come out right before/after that without the same 'hey, he's strong y'all' billing when they're clearly skrong as hell..and in many cases stronger than the 'super duper strong' guys.

They are trying to adjust to it (acknowledging Cesaro as functionally effin strong), but Sheamus is getting the short end right now as an epic working hoss. If he was around in the 80s, that fella would've been pinning Hogan or at least coming closer than the others.

>shed a tear over.
>
>Seriously
>
>I damn near get shoot angry when people tell me they don't
>like Sheamus. He's a Hoss's Hoss if there ever was one, and
>it's high time he got a feud with Brock if you ask me.
>
>That said, he and Barrett have always put on stellar matches
>together.
>I'm glad the crowd rewarded them for tonight's effort.

Thing is, the current crop has a great collective workrate.

I can’t speak for other Hoss fans, but my reaction is rarely “wow, he’s strong!” with these guys. That doesn’t impress me. What impresses me is when big work to their advantages as big men in a way that is fluid, dynamic, and psychologically sound.

A guy like Sheamus is great because he’s essentially the prototype for the “WWE Style” and has a strong psychology foundation. His move set is a great one for storytelling and facilitating an emotional ebb and flow to the match. The Brogue Kick, White Noise, Celtic Cross, the “Beats of the Bodhran” chest pound, Cloverleaf, Irish Curse is a hell of a move set that basically has 4 finishers and makes a branding dream if they promote him correctly.

***** I still think he needs an “I hate bullies!” gimmick and should make it his mission to help Daniel Bryan at some point, building to a title match at a major PPV (SS or RR, if not Mania) that unfolds out of mutual respect from their history together. But that's just me*****

Anyhow, Sheamus, Big E, Cesaro, Barrett, Big E, hell even Swagger at this point, make for an excellent group of big men who work like big men but do so in very dynamic, exciting and engaging ways. That’s not even counting Brock, and any of those guys (E might be too green still) could give Brock a convincing run for his money. They make for an excellent crop of big guys who can go, and frankly the strong factor is only a part of what makes them so compelling to watch.

Especially with Sheamus. But WWE takes the easy way out a lot of the time with leaning far too much on 'check it out y'all! This dude is hella strong'. It is like they sell the dope hoss workers short a lot of times because they focus too much on 'this dude is big and/or strong' like it is still 87. Just because wrestling nerds like us can tell the difference between a Khali and Sheamus/The Hillbilly Cult dudes, etc., doesn't mean that they still didn't show up and try to make us 'believe' that Khali is awesome a bit too often.

I think we all believe that good matches + the proper presentation and attention = awesome. Throw in an important title and/or some manufactured personal beef/history and the OCCASIONAL well-done and well-timed swerve (I see you, Hogan), and wrestling is at its best.

Flair as NWA champ in the late 80s for example: he's wearing suits, acting a fool, talking shit after every title defense even if he pulled some tights on a rollup or barely beat an enhancement talent-level dude...and then, one of his 'old' enemies pops up from WWF on some old 'remember how I would whoop your ass when we were coming up? Well, I see that you're the champ now and I want to be the champ too. So that shouldn't be hard for me to accomplish because I used to whoop your ass 8 years ago...time is up, Ric!'. AKA the 89 Steamboat run. Then, they delivered on the matches and that run of matches is still the stuff of legends. Flair sold it on some old 'not you again!' and Steamboat was like 'yeah Ric, its me...WWE was trippin, so here I am'.

>Thing is, the current crop has a great collective workrate.
>
>I can’t speak for other Hoss fans, but my reaction is rarely
>“wow, he’s strong!” with these guys. That doesn’t impress me.
>What impresses me is when big work to their advantages as big
>men in a way that is fluid, dynamic, and psychologically
>sound.
>
>A guy like Sheamus is great because he’s essentially the
>prototype for the “WWE Style” and has a strong psychology
>foundation. His move set is a great one for storytelling and
>facilitating an emotional ebb and flow to the match. The
>Brogue Kick, White Noise, Celtic Cross, the “Beats of the
>Bodhran” chest pound, Cloverleaf, Irish Curse is a hell of a
>move set that basically has 4 finishers and makes a branding
>dream if they promote him correctly.
>
>***** I still think he needs an “I hate bullies!” gimmick and
>should make it his mission to help Daniel Bryan at some point,
>building to a title match at a major PPV (SS or RR, if not
>Mania) that unfolds out of mutual respect from their history
>together. But that's just me*****
>
>Anyhow, Sheamus, Big E, Cesaro, Barrett, Big E, hell even
>Swagger at this point, make for an excellent group of big men
>who work like big men but do so in very dynamic, exciting and
>engaging ways. That’s not even counting Brock, and any of
>those guys (E might be too green still) could give Brock a
>convincing run for his money. They make for an excellent crop
>of big guys who can go, and frankly the strong factor is only
>a part of what makes them so compelling to watch.
>

I hate this version of Orton.

No Homo, but give me the tee shirt and trunks, ready to whoop your ass outfit any day. That shit doesn't work for him today. That shit ain't the Viper.

she's bad as fuck

At any rate Rusev isn't much taller than Sin Cara
His move set is dope
I'm coming around on him

Again though... his manager/valet/what have you prompts all manner of filthy thoughts. Between her, the Bellas, Funcadactyls, Emma, Paige, AJ, Alicia Fox, Layla....... this might be the overall most attractive group of women they've ever had at a given time.

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multitalented too.

her future

I used to think that of the Funcadactyls, but nah. They'd irritate the shit out of me.

The only others who have made me wipe the drool from my mouth like that were Sunny and Alicia Fox when she was Edge's "assistant".

Provided her partner was some unknown dude and not whichever Uso she's married to (nothing against him, I just don't wanna see him naked).

Slightly along those lines, one of my boys used to say Cameron seems like she'd be the freakier of the two. Then that episode of Total Divas aired where she and her meathead boyfriend need to see a sex therapist to do some entry level kinky shit. I never let him forget it now, lol.



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I thought I saw him trying to quell a giggle.

That explains why he didn't do very much but sell a Kane beatdown at the start of the show

Also, the Evolution video package was dope, and Rollins spoke far too long

And they'd better not be angling for a Wyatt/Cena double turn, because that would be dumb

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He had literally just found out but was advertised as on the show so they opened with him then found a way to take him out so he could fly to Seattle right after.

... love that division of WWE.

By that I mean what has worked for NXT is that people went and developed, built a character, gathered some catchphrases and things along that line and most people didn't know anything about them until they hit the roster. It has worked for so many people over the last 2 years or so.

I have a fear now that NXT basically becoming another show that the WWE pushes hard makes it matter a lot more. People won't be able to make mistakes and try new things without repricussions, and superstars will be made before they even hit the roster which sounds like a good thing but isn't always.

Paige is a good example right now of winning the belt on day 1 because of her NXT hype and the fact that the Raw crowd after WM would know her. I don't consider this a problem with her per se, but it does put her in a spot where you have to wonder what is her career trajectory now when you start on top that fast?

All speculation of course, but I can see a day where a guy like Cesaro is already over as fuck because of NXT and doesn't come to the roster as a new wrestler who works his way to the top. When that starts happening NXT is no longer really a developmental show and just becomes a regular show where wrestlers appear on.

Or maybe it's never an issue, just something I thought about.

... especially if they continue with these "special events". I atleast would like to perhaps see 4 a year but have nice big buildups to them. Overall on what your saying I feel you 100% but until something of that fashion takes place I'm trying to enjoy the good organic-ness of it while it lasts.

Where roster guys start showing up and fighting each other and non NXT titles start being fought for.

I figured the retirement speech would've happened on Raw by now but not sure if the concussion he sustained blew that timetable out. (Has anyone read any reports as to how he's doing with the concussion by the way?)

Curious to know if they'll segue in a feud with Sting before he says bye bye too.

I think they won't hold off that long, but I can see a Mania season where a clear taker feud is ramping up (Sting or Shield maybe) someone is trying to draw Taker out and he eventually shows up to say no and give his goodbyes.

Although that is a super let down now that I write it out.

Next WM comes and goes without an Undertaker sighting, then he goes into the HoF at WM 32 in Dallas.

At least that's what I hope since I'll likely be there to see it.



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And they're currently booking them better than ever.

I know some folks were uneasy about the face turn, but that shit has been handled so perfectly I can't see how anyone can still feel that way, especially since we can all see where this leads.

They've definitely become anti-heroes, and they've got a firm and just cause to battle without sacrificing an inch of their characters in the process. They're definitely one of the best executed ideas in the last 20 years.

but for now no complaints at all.

Zing1

I guess that's easy when you base an entire episode around the Shield, but pretty much every segment was a home run.

Catching up on Youtube, and you're right. It's pretty incredible.

The Shield stuff
Heyman and Zeb going at it
Cesaro-Swagger
Bray's promo
Maddox getting thrown halfway across the room

As much as I've enjoyed this show in months.

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is russo writing again?

awesome.

he's fucking awful and got a shit ton of credit for things he only had a partial hand in.

but I was flipping through channels and landed on some post match action with RVD/Cesaro/Jack Swagger and laughed my ass off at a shot of Paul Heyman looking disapprovingly into the ring after said post match action took place.

Anyone have a screen grab or animated gif of the Paul Heyman shots I'm referring to?

Is he supposed to be hanging around for a while, or should I expect this to be a one night, or just week of a PPV, thing?

I was pondering a run-in at the PPV but it's a little unnecessary if it's just a one-off?

It's fucking awful

hahaha, vicious.

I'm pretty sure most of you hardcore wrestling fans have seen something like this before but for me it was my first time and I found it pretty interesting so I though I'd share....

http://theweek.com/article/index/260742/what-a-pro-wrestling-script-looks-like


We the children of the Light, you know what I mean?
That's why I'm hating on the darkness like Paula Deen
Cause in my hood they masked up like it's Halloween
We going hard for the Rock, but we not some fiends
- Andy Mineo

... who you guys got and what match are you looking forward to?

Cena vs Wyatt has been great, as long as Wyatt doesn't job twice in a row on PPV I'm happy

Shield vs Evolution is pretty cool but that's b/c I Love the Shield, don't really care about this evolution reunion

Main event feud has been garbage- I understand Bryan had a honeymoon and then his dad's death to deal with so I understand, but doesn't change the fact that I don't give a shit about the main event.

BNB vs Big E will be cool to see BNB get a run

The triple threat match will be good

I guess overall it's not that this card sucks, it's that it is pretty much a standard Monday night raw card with some titles on the line.

I think we will see a lot of this with the Network now that they won't sell as many PPVs and they are kind of just like monthly shows most people get for $10. Mania was just so good and this is just a pretty nice looking card, but certainly not a must buy PPV if you don't have the network.

... my son said, I forgot not every PPV is as exciting as Wrestlemania was. But that Shield Match though!

>... who you guys got and what match are you looking forward
>to?

Bryan and Paige retain (no Usos match?). Barrett takes the IC title (I hope they give them some time, it could be fun if they do). Cesaro wins. I think Shield wins because I don't think Evolution is sticking around. Wyatt should win, but it's probably gonna be Cena again. Do I need to predict the Rusev squash?

I'm looking forward to Shield-Evolution the most, mostly because the Shield is in it.