Wiz gets Gortat, Macolm Lee, Shannon Brown, and Kendall Marshall for Okafor and a 2014 1st rounder.

Obviously a great deal for Phoenix. Gortat an upgrade for a playoff push this year too.

That's probably enough for the Wiz to make the playoffs, but now the Suns are going to be truly awful. Tanking for Wiggins.

And holy shit, the Suns have FOUR first round picks in the next draft? God damn.

We knew the Suns were tanking hard anyway when they drafted Len. He's a long term project.

We'll see if he's any good.

https://twitter.com/ZachLowe_NBA/status/393850922633560064



http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9860683/32-bold-predictions-2013-14-nba-season

4. Washington Will Trade for a Big Man in the Next Month — If Emeka Okafor's Prognosis Is Bad

General manager Ernie Grunfeld is in the last year of his contract, and owner Ted Leonsis, not the shy sort, has made it clear he expects the Wiz to make the playoffs. Washington was over .500 last season when Bradley Beal and John Wall were both available, and lineups featuring combinations of its core six or seven guys generally did quite well. But Okafor was one of those core guys, and the gap between Okafor and his backups — Kevin Seraphin and Jan Vesely — is a freaking chasm. Al Harrington can soak up some minutes as a small-ball power forward, a role he played brilliantly for Denver two seasons ago, but he's aging and coming off major knee issues.

The Wiz need a big man, unless they get good news soon on Okafor. Alternatively, if Okafor is healthy, Washington could continue its history of flipping mega-expiring contracts (and the cap space they promise) into players on longer-term deals; that's how it got Okafor. Stay tuned either way on the Wiz.

We rarely get these early season trades. ::cough::

protected thru 12, huh? cauley-stein time...LMAO!!!! it's cauley-stein, dogg!!! LMAO!!!!

they got so many damn holes and no star

when it sets in that it's another "re-building year" that's a part of their "process".

He's now officially turned all of his veteran fringe guys into legitimate assets.

Bledsoe and 3 2014 1st rounders? For those guys? Impressive.


I mean, Sarver still gonna fuck it all up by insisting on giving Rudy Gay $100 million next year or some shit, but for now this was some terrific work.

God, time flies when you're old as shit.

I did predicted he'd be better than Rose by this point, technically that could be true I guess.

Their record for the games he played, if I recall, was close to or at .500.

But yeah, he's on notice.

we don't know if they'd have made the playoffs, because we know damn well he wouldn't maintain a 23 and 9 average all year.

look, I love the Polish Hammer as much as the next guy, buuuut....

He is who he is at this point, which is not a franchise player.

This dude had 4 years to learn pace control and he is still turnover prone. He could very well end up like Chauncey Billups but at this point its highly unlikely. Wiz don't have any good veteran PGs or coaches he can learn from.

He is consistent at least. He ain't no star though.

Weird

that just means "better than a bunch of offbrand nondescript niggas"

for what it's worth, wall's turnover rate last yr was higher than most of the other top point guards :

http://bkref.com/tiny/Hra8l

12.9 - rose*
13.0 - parker
13.2 - westbrook
13.7 - curry
13.7 - paul
13.8 - irving
14.1 - lawson
14.5 - williams
14.5 - lillard
15.1 - conley

15.3 - wall

17.3 - holiday
17.6 - teague
21.4 - rubio
22.6 - rondo

* 2011-12 season

>Weird

But ALOT better than most pgs in the Assist % department.

So it I can take that. And leave room for improvement.

http://www.hoopdata.com/advancedstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2013&gp=0&mins=25

Most players that pass the ball a lot have a lot of turnovers.

So it's incorrect to label him as "turnover prone" in relation to other top pgs.

>http://www.hoopdata.com/advancedstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2013&gp=0&mins=25

>He's a little better in the TOR department than most pgs that play 25+ mins

???

there are 47 players listed in that link you posted.

sorted by turnover rate, wall ranks 28th.

that's 27 guys above him (including most of the league's "elite" pgs, as well as most of the players generally considered to be wall's "peers") and 19 below (mostly journeyman, replacement-level-player, "not even in the conversation" types)

how does that translate to "a little better than most"?

>But ALOT better than most pgs in the Assist % department.

among the 25+mpg players in that link, he's actually 27th in assist rate. basically the same as turnover rate. right in the middle.

so again, not "better than most"

>Most players that pass the ball a lot have a lot of
>turnovers.

well, yeah. there's no apples v oranges here, we're only discussing PGs.

>So it's incorrect to label him as "turnover prone" in relation
>to other top pgs.

i mean... not really.

it's actually somewhat accurate. the link you provided kind of reinforces that.

>>http://www.hoopdata.com/advancedstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2013&gp=0&mins=25
>
>>He's a little better in the TOR department than most pgs that
>play 25+ mins
>
>???
>
>there are 47 players listed in that link you posted.
>
>sorted by turnover rate, wall ranks 28th.
>
>that's 27 guys above him (including most of the league's
>"elite" pgs, as well as most of the players generally
>considered to be wall's "peers") and 19 below (mostly
>journeyman, replacement-level-player, "not even in the
>conversation" types)
>
>how does that translate to "a little better than most"?

League average is 11.11 and Wall is 11.08.

He's right in the middle.

>
>>But ALOT better than most pgs in the Assist % department.
>
>among the 25+mpg players in that link, he's actually 27th in
>assist rate. basically the same as turnover rate. right in the
>middle.
>

His Assist % is near the top.

>so again, not "better than most"
>
>>Most players that pass the ball a lot have a lot of
>>turnovers.
>
>well, yeah. there's no apples v oranges here, we're only
>discussing PGs.
>
>>So it's incorrect to label him as "turnover prone" in
>relation
>>to other top pgs.
>
>i mean... not really.
>
>it's actually somewhat accurate. the link you provided kind of
>reinforces that.

Nah the link provided shows he's in the middle regarding turnovers. And better passer than most.

http://oi42.tinypic.com/2h52pw2.jpg

niggas stay LALALALACANTHEARYOU posting up in this piece.

last year, according to the information in the link you posted, john wall turned the ball over at a higher rate than almost all of the league's top point guards, while his assist rate (26.27) was not "near the top" or "better than most", but slightly worse than the league average (27.59) and ranked 27th of 47 players who averaged more than 25+mpg.

>>>http://www.hoopdata.com/advancedstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2013&gp=0&mins=25

what you wrote for the 2nd time?

Okay.

Continue with "Turnover prone" then.

**shrugs**

>http://www.hoopdata.com/advancedstats.aspx?team=%25&type=pg&posi=PG&yr=2013&gp=0&mins=25

>He's a little better in the TOR department than most pgs that play 25+ mins

he's a little better than the beno udrihs, greivis vasquezes, jeremy lins and brandon knights of the world. and worse than paul, deron, westbrook, rose, parker, curry, kyrie, lawson, conley, lillard, etc.

>But ALOT better than most pgs in the Assist % department. His Assist % is near the top.

it's 27th out of 47.

>So it's incorrect to label him as "turnover prone" in relation to other top pgs.

no. it's not.

Top Assists Men of 2012-13:
1.) Rondo - 11.0 (Better TOR)
2.) Paul - 9.7
3.) Vasquez - 9.0 (Better TOR)
4.) Holiday - 8.0 (Better TOR)
5.) Williams -7.7
6.) Parker - 7.6
7.) Wall - 7.5
8.) Dragic - 7.4 (Better TOR)
9.) Nelson 7.4
10.) Calderon - 7.4
11.) Westbrook - 7.4
12.) Teague - 7.2 (Better TOR)
13.) Rubio - 7.2 (Better TOR)

Bonus 2011-12: D-Rose - 7.9* (Better TOR)

He's right in the middle amongst the league's top passers.

And that is what the Wiz need him to be. Ain't that why he got $90 mill from them? Paying that kind of money just to be a little better than Jameer Nelson ain't a good thing.

I will definitely be surprised if dude makes an all star team this season. I'll be even more surprised if they make the playoffs. I don't think either is happening.

The Wiz were 5-28 without John Wall. And 24-25 with John Wall.

Stars are paid to win games and make a difference. That's what he does.

And while that streak was nice, he's still not .500 as the leader of the team. He hasn't won anything yet. He's not a winner.

i like that we managed to get from

"near the top / A LOT better than most"

to

"right in the middle, above the jobbers but below the actual elite guys"

in such a short time. definite progress. i feel we've accomplished something here.

great chatting w/ you.

And right on par with all of the other top passers in the game while being better than some,

Ok, cool.

LMAO!!!

like niggas can't read. you a fool, fam.

your book's good btw.

His assist % is near the top.

Paul is 21.8
Rondo is 23.6
Westbrook is 24.6
Wall is 26.5

that's the top 4.

you're reading the wrong column, dogg.

%Ast is the percentage of the player's own field goals that were assisted. that basically indicates who creates their own offense vs who's getting set up by others.

so catch-and-shoot guys like kidd, fisher, blake, chalmers are in the 60+ % range. whereas paul, wall, westbrook, rondo etc create their own shots.

AR is the assist rate. an estimate of how many possessions out of every 100 end w/ that player getting an assist.

i was confused, like, why is duke just flat out lying to himself? lmao.

Dude, I don't get all these advanced stats, I use them as I find them applicable to my argument. Lol

it's really not too difficult. basically, a player "uses" a possession if that possession ends in him taking a shot, shooting free throws, or turning the ball over. pretty intuitive.

usage rate is the percent of team possessions a player uses in his floor time. high usage + high efficiency = good.

assist rate is assists divided by used possessions, expressed as a percentage. it's just a rough efficiency metric for playmaking / shot creation. the higher the AR, the more efficient the playmaker.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/about/glossary.html

Assist Percentage (available since the 1964-65 season in the NBA); the formula is 100 * AST / (((MP / (Tm MP / 5)) * Tm FG) - FG). Assist percentage is an estimate of the percentage of teammate field goals a player assisted while he was on the floor.

basketball ref doesn't have NBA's assist%. Basketball ref's asssit% is the percentage of other players' baskets that the player of interest assisted on. That's, with serious limitations, a measure of how good a distributor one is and/or how much one's team needs you to distribute/how much you ball hog. It's a messy statistic.

NBA's assist rate is a comparison of one's assists:one's shots. So it's a measure of whether or not he takes shots or assists them. It kinda answers the question: are you a gunner or a distributor?

So John Wall assists (compared to shoots) at about the rate of an average NBA guard. He's a top 5 distributor in terms of how much his teammates convert on his passes.

#math'd


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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

now that one actually does measure what you thought the other one on hoopdata did (% of fgs the player assisted while on the floor)

the "advanced" metrics use official league stats in their formulas but there's no industrywide standardization or anything. the different sites each use their own methodologies.

wall's actually pretty good in that one, btw :

http://bkref.com/tiny/ipn1K

so yeah, there's one you can cyse.

***leaves while the getting is good***

if it means i bump into Monica at good hope carry out EVEN BETTER

A big rationale in drafting gortat was a trade at deadline when he could play and be more efficient. This came earlier than expected

Like Derrick Williams. One of them dudes with something to prove.

Derrick Williams has had time to prove- all last yr with love out.

>Derrick Williams has had time to prove- all last yr with love
>out.

Yeah...Gortat to the Wiz is better than any deal involving Derrick Williams....

Any Wiz fan should happy with this trade...

I think Adelman just doesn't like him.

and hit open shots.

Be a mismatch.

John does the rest.

he couldn't do that playing with rubio, who's a better passer than wall, full and halfcourt.

dude, you don't get to just "run around" in the damn NBA. if you did, all these niggas from UK would be all-stars. as it stands, NONE are.

the necks of Dukies.

Mad at UK. This upcoming season is only gonna make you madder man.

Just let it go.

John gonna make you madder.

A.D. gonna make you madder.

Cuz gonna make you madder.

Kanter gonna make you madder.

E-Bled gonna make you madder.

and the list goes on and on.

Shit you probably gonna even tune into a Suns game and see Goodwin stunting and say to yourself, "Why can't Austin do that?"

I know dude.

Then the Tournament. You gonna be mad. "Cal don't coach. He just rolls the balls out."

Mad.

Then the draft gonna come. Randle gonna go before Jabari. You gonna be HOT.

HOTTER than you already are at Young Juju.

And don't even get me started on James Young, The Twins, Poy Boy, and WCS.

This shit only gets worst from here on out.

You're better off ejecting and landing on Warren Coolidge Island and battling with him to see if Jabari is better than Kyle Anderson.

Lmao @ getting cysed off a guy who never played a minute for you

Meanwhile Duke will soon have not one (Ky) not two (Bari) but three (JO) better than every last one of them dudes.

And that's just how it is.

After this year Kyrie's gonna lose that luster after another lottery trip & you'll be short on people to blame.

Nobody's talking about Jabari on that level.

It's Wiggins and Randle.

And don't get mad if Smart and Exum past him.

Shit I know you'll get mad if Young passes him.

oh, i'm sorry...YOU didn't mention him....



<<<<<the necks of Dukies.

Mad at UK. This upcoming season is only gonna make you madder man.

Just let it go.

John gonna make you madder.

A.D. gonna make you madder.

Cuz gonna make you madder.

Kanter gonna make you madder.

E-Bled gonna make you madder.

and the list goes on and on.

Shit you probably gonna even tune into a Suns game and see Goodwin stunting and say to yourself, "Why can't Austin do that?"

I know dude.

Then the Tournament. You gonna be mad. "Cal don't coach. He just rolls the balls out."

Mad.

Then the draft gonna come. Randle gonna go before Jabari. You gonna be HOT.

HOTTER than you already are at Young Juju.

And don't even get me started on James Young, The Twins, Poy Boy, and WCS.

This shit only gets worst from here on out.

You're better off ejecting and landing on Warren Coolidge Island and battling with him to see if Jabari is better than Kyle Anderson. >>>>


....so why should I?

So that kinda goes without saying

and so begins the three year irrelevancy portion of his career where he languishes and no one cares about him. he had a blessed early career, dogg. only fair.

however...i think it'd be great if he's one of several candidates that keeps NJJ from being an all-star...YET AGAIN.

deron back...LMAO!!!!

rose, ky and wade are IN...

that no jacket nigga gotta get thru rondo, deron, teague, lowry and jennings.

LMAO!!!! i just realized he not gonna make it...it's good...LMAO!!! i was halfway believing it until reality just hit...i forgot deron...hahahahahahahaha!!! that's three point guards. LMAO!!!

you gotta be sittin there mad as fuck, hopin for the best.

oh...and everybody see beal the best player. i got that on deck.

we both know this.

now that the celts broke up, rondo on lowry status.

The Celtics made changes. So now Rondo's, Kyle Lowry, because according to you they won't win as much.

And Kyrie's never won shit, but you trying to force people to believe he's a star.

Cool story.

Cavs haven't even had a significant win streak with Kyrie dude.

Stick to them highlight dribbling films. And Rondo will stick to those Playoff highlight films.

since he's a STAR, celts should be in playoffs and he should be an all-star.

you on your own there. see you soon.

superstar. Right?

You flipped on Rondo so many times now.

You initially hated him.

Then tried to be friends.

Now hate him again.

Hahaha.

It don't matter. We got the logs.

So for the record, UK's got 2 and now possibly 3 point guards (E-Bled) better than Kyrie.

No worries though. You got Quinn Cook coming.

LMAO.

We gonna do that Quinn Cook vs Tyler Ulis next year or what?

rondo never been a "star"...he's has no charisma and his game is boring. kyrie is simply a star. sorry it bothers you.

hey, i see we're making progress. there was a time you thought UK had four niggas better than kyrie. it's okay. this will all be over soon. but, unlike knight, i am going to fuckin torture you on this board FOREVER for even gettin niggas riled up to think wall ever on his level, when we've had two years to see otherwise. you've fought hard to get niggas not to believe their own eyes. i give you that.

"e-bled" AKA big nostril eric is no better than kyle lowry.

quinn will be in the L. nobody takes your lil darren sproles ass PG seriously, dude.

Then you tried to switch it up, because he was winning and you hate Rose more.

>rondo never been a "star"...he's has no charisma and his game
>is boring. kyrie is simply a star. sorry it bothers you.

Hahaha...you using charisma now? His game is boring?

Why don't you just say "flair" if you gonna be on your T.G.I.Fridays my dude.

Rubio got flair? He better too?

You know what's not boring? Winning.

Have Kyrie try that.

>hey, i see we're making progress. there was a time you thought
>UK had four niggas better than kyrie. it's okay. this will all
>be over soon. but, unlike knight, i am going to fuckin torture
>you on this board FOREVER for even gettin niggas riled up to
>think wall ever on his level, when we've had two years to see
>otherwise. you've fought hard to get niggas not to believe
>their own lives. i give you that.

Please don't torture me? Please don't?

One thing though? Are you gonna torture me every day or alternate days with the days you pray Bynum stays together and cares enough to get you some wins?


>"e-bled" AKA big nostril eric is no better than kyle lowry.


Sure, because Lowry is good right? He's yours now.


>quinn will be in the L.

Eventually? We waiting. We've BEEN waiting.

And before he gets to the L doesn't he have to be a good College pg first?

Just saying.

>nobody takes your lil darren sproles
>ass PG seriously, dude.
>

And nobody has ever taken Quinn seriously.

Well nobody except you.

I'm cooking all of the players you have high hopes for.

Except Jabari. I like him. But if you keep saying he's as good as Junkyard Ju, you gonna end up on the wrong side of that one again.

But Rodney Hood? I'm cooking his ass.

If you think Amile (no UK offer) is good too, I'm putting him the deep fryer.

I can't even live off Quinn anymore, cuz it's simply not fun.

webber was an elite rebounder and passer and that's who he's SUPPOSED to be? LMAO.

nigga...zach randolph AT BEST.

you have no choice but to like jabari. he's special.

you can find no evidence on any board or in the fiyastarter site archives or on the podcast of me hatin on rondo. ALWAYS liked him...said he was the best PG in college back in 2005 and had niggas on the old sohh coliseum board partying on me cysing felt-on. but, NOW, i simply will shut up about him. i ain't saying i'mma hate on him or party when he has a bad game. i'm saying when these niggas fry you on that playoffs and "star" shit...you on your own.

LMAO...we go through the same shit every year....all these niggas y'all get and they don't be poppin...LMAO!!!! 4 years of this...you keep talking...LMAO!!!...not one STAR produced yet. hahahahahahaha.

it's gonna happen again this year. davis ain't makin it...LMAO!!!

>webber was an elite rebounder and passer and that's who he's
>SUPPOSED to be? LMAO.
>

Did I compare him to Webber?


>nigga...zach randolph AT BEST.
>

He plays nothing like Randolph. At all.

He's a inside outside guy with a great motor.

>you have no choice but to like jabari. he's special.
>

He's good. Just not better than Randle. There's nothing wrong with that.

>you can find no evidence on any board or in the fiyastarter
>site archives or on the podcast of me hatin on rondo. ALWAYS
>liked him...said he was the best PG in college back in 2005
>and had niggas on the old sohh coliseum board partying on me
>cysing felt-on. but, NOW, i simply will shut up about him.

So you're gonna rely on me using our shitty search function on OKS and hoping what you said was archived?

Great tactic.

That's what flip floppers do.


>ain't saying i'mma hate on him or party when he has a bad
>game. i'm saying when these niggas fry you on that playoffs
>and "star" shit...you on your own.

Don't care. Rondo doesn't need to make the playoffs this year to be a star. ***shrugs***

He just needs to come back. Get healthy and make the Celtics better. Move in the right direction.

>LMAO...we go through the same shit every year....all these
>niggas y'all get and they don't be poppin...LMAO!!!! 4 years
>of this...you keep talking...LMAO!!!...not one STAR produced
>yet. hahahahahahaha.


None of them popped? Wall? Cuz? BK? Davis?

They've all won more games than Kyrie.

Yet he's a star, because you want us to believe he's a star. Lol

>it's gonna happen again this year. davis ain't makin
>it...LMAO!!!

Davis gonna get closer to the playoffs than Kyrie too.

We've done this over and over and all those players you rep just fizzle. Year in and year out. Kyrie is the one hope yet.

And I'll give you this he's solid. He's not Nolan Smith (where's he at btw). And he's not Austin Rivers (remember when I called him Bayles & it's weird that he's not even THAT). But Kyrie is just solid. Maybe he needs a big pg type to handle the ball while he shoots. Trade for Tony Wroten (who's better than Wall according to you) maybe?

Ahh well...

The NBA season is about to start. And college too. So we shall see.

>>webber was an elite rebounder and passer and that's who
>he's
>>SUPPOSED to be? LMAO.
>>
>
>Did I compare him to Webber?
>
>
>>nigga...zach randolph AT BEST.
>>
>
>He plays nothing like Randolph. At all.

i was speaking in terms of production.

>He's a inside outside guy with a great motor.

this reads "tweener"...you have had SEVERAL in recent years and none have popped.

>>you have no choice but to like jabari. he's special.
>>
>
>He's good. Just not better than Randle. There's nothing wrong
>with that.

it's the other way tho.

>>you can find no evidence on any board or in the fiyastarter
>>site archives or on the podcast of me hatin on rondo. ALWAYS
>>liked him...said he was the best PG in college back in 2005
>>and had niggas on the old sohh coliseum board partying on me
>>cysing felt-on. but, NOW, i simply will shut up about him.
>
>So you're gonna rely on me using our shitty search function on
>OKS and hoping what you said was archived?

no. i'm saying there's actual EVIDENCE of me cysing him and NEVER hatin on him.


>Great tactic.
>
>That's what flip floppers do.

only concrete flip-flip between us is you dropping knight from this shit like...well, like he's brandon knight in a debate against kyrie irving.

>
>>ain't saying i'mma hate on him or party when he has a bad
>>game. i'm saying when these niggas fry you on that playoffs
>>and "star" shit...you on your own.
>
>Don't care. Rondo doesn't need to make the playoffs this year
>to be a star. ***shrugs***

cool. it's your deal.

>He just needs to come back. Get healthy and make the Celtics
>better. Move in the right direction.

mediocrity portion of his career.

>>LMAO...we go through the same shit every year....all these
>>niggas y'all get and they don't be poppin...LMAO!!!! 4 years
>>of this...you keep talking...LMAO!!!...not one STAR produced
>>yet. hahahahahahaha.
>
>
>None of them popped? Wall? Cuz? BK? Davis?

i'm sorry...i see no all-stars there. not a jacket on one.

>They've all won more games than Kyrie.

their TEAMS have. meanwhile, NONE have been all-stars which is a realistic way to judge INDIVIDUAL performance.

>Yet he's a star, because you want us to believe he's a star.
>Lol

i don't have to want that. it just IS.

>>it's gonna happen again this year. davis ain't makin
>>it...LMAO!!!
>
>Davis gonna get closer to the playoffs than Kyrie too.

not only will that not happen...he WON'T be an all-star. hi K-LOVE...LMAO!!!! YEAH BLAKE!!! SUP LAMARCUS!!! BIG MARC, wassup!!!

kidde-table, nigga...again.

>We've done this over and over and all those players you rep
>just fizzle. Year in and year out. Kyrie is the one hope yet.

like i said...kyrie was the bridge. jabari and JO gonna have you fuckin sick. GOOD!

>
>And I'll give you this he's solid. He's not Nolan Smith
>(where's he at btw).

same place doron gonna be.


And he's not Austin Rivers (remember when
>I called him Bayles & it's weird that he's not even THAT).

remember when you called teague ANYTHING and he's not even THAT?

But
>Kyrie is just solid.

and yet...he's better than EVERY uk player. all of them.

Maybe he needs a big pg type to handle
>the ball while he shoots. Trade for Tony Wroten (who's better
>than Wall according to you) maybe?

seeing as how wall is stagnant (his preseason was status quo and people are scared...LMAO), i ain't backing off that until tony stops improving.

>Ahh well...
>
>The NBA season is about to start. And college too. So we shall
>see.

won't we tho?

>>>webber was an elite rebounder and passer and that's who
>>he's
>>>SUPPOSED to be? LMAO.
>>>
>>
>>Did I compare him to Webber?
>>
>>
>>>nigga...zach randolph AT BEST.
>>>
>>
>>He plays nothing like Randolph. At all.
>
>i was speaking in terms of production.

Oh so he's gonna be a double double guy and beast in the playoffs.

Okay.


>>He's a inside outside guy with a great motor.
>
>this reads "tweener"...you have had SEVERAL in recent years
>and none have popped.


Nah, that reads versatile player who will succeed in the NBA.


>>>you have no choice but to like jabari. he's special.
>>>
>>
>>He's good. Just not better than Randle. There's nothing
>wrong
>>with that.
>
>it's the other way tho.


Except it's not. The scouts already see it. I see Wiggins talk. I see Randle talk. I see Emblid talk. I see Exum talk. I even see James Young talk.

Shit's cooled on Jabari. And you're upset.

Just like if it cools on Okafor and Myles starts getting the love, you'll be upset again.

Not my fault. Stop sending busts to the league.

>>>you can find no evidence on any board or in the fiyastarter
>>>site archives or on the podcast of me hatin on rondo.
>ALWAYS
>>>liked him...said he was the best PG in college back in 2005
>>>and had niggas on the old sohh coliseum board partying on
>me
>>>cysing felt-on. but, NOW, i simply will shut up about him.
>>
>>So you're gonna rely on me using our shitty search function
>on
>>OKS and hoping what you said was archived?
>
>no. i'm saying there's actual EVIDENCE of me cysing him and
>NEVER hatin on him.


No, on here. You were late to the party and initially hated on Rondo.

If in your own private time you had Rondo footie pajamas and stood in major intersections with a sandwich board claiming he's the best pg in college than that's on you.

Just like you tried to be friends with John.

All because you had NOBODY.

Hey, if I had to try to put a positive spin on Nolan Smith, I'd look elsewhere too. But that's not the case.

We got players.


>
>>Great tactic.
>>
>>That's what flip floppers do.
>
>only concrete flip-flip between us is you dropping knight from
>this shit like...well, like he's brandon knight in a debate
>against kyrie irving.
>

That's not a flip. I still like Knight. He still has a chance to grow. He'll still probably win more games than Kyrie this year. He'll still probably make the playoffs before Kyrie this year.

***shrugs***


>>
>>>ain't saying i'mma hate on him or party when he has a bad
>>>game. i'm saying when these niggas fry you on that playoffs
>>>and "star" shit...you on your own.
>>
>>Don't care. Rondo doesn't need to make the playoffs this
>year
>>to be a star. ***shrugs***
>
>cool. it's your deal.
>
>>He just needs to come back. Get healthy and make the Celtics
>>better. Move in the right direction.
>
>mediocrity portion of his career.

No mediocrity would be Kyrie's career to date. While you're still hyping up a 3 point contest. Smh.


>>>LMAO...we go through the same shit every year....all these
>>>niggas y'all get and they don't be poppin...LMAO!!!! 4
>years
>>>of this...you keep talking...LMAO!!!...not one STAR
>produced
>>>yet. hahahahahahaha.
>>
>>
>>None of them popped? Wall? Cuz? BK? Davis?
>
>i'm sorry...i see no all-stars there. not a jacket on one.
>
>>They've all won more games than Kyrie.
>
>their TEAMS have. meanwhile, NONE have been all-stars which is
>a realistic way to judge INDIVIDUAL performance.


No you play to make your team better and win. You hyping popularity. Lol.

That's what losers do. Mediocre losers.

I want my players to win and play on the big stage. You wanna swipe articles and youtube clips of dribbling in 30 point blowouts.

What part of the game is that?


>>Yet he's a star, because you want us to believe he's a star.
>>Lol
>
>i don't have to want that. it just IS.
>
>>>it's gonna happen again this year. davis ain't makin
>>>it...LMAO!!!
>>
>>Davis gonna get closer to the playoffs than Kyrie too.
>
>not only will that not happen...he WON'T be an all-star. hi
>K-LOVE...LMAO!!!! YEAH BLAKE!!! SUP LAMARCUS!!! BIG MARC,
>wassup!!!

Again. Playoffs. That's the goal. Not being Kevin Love and still trying as your 30's get closer. Lol.

Told you before, I want A.D. to be Duncan not an empty stats guy like Love or Blake.

He'll be the best power forward in the game.

College Player of the Year? Check

National Title? Check.

Olympic Gold Medal? Check.

You mad? Double Check.


>kidde-table, nigga...again.
>
>>We've done this over and over and all those players you rep
>>just fizzle. Year in and year out. Kyrie is the one hope
>yet.
>
>like i said...kyrie was the bridge. jabari and JO gonna have
>you fuckin sick. GOOD!


No buzz around those 2 my friend. Maybe J.O. if he gets on his grind again. But definitely not Jabari.

Kyrie is the bridge from Grant Hill's first 3 years to Jabari? Lol

How big is that bridge fam? Bridge of Terabithia? Links you to the fantasy world where people care about Duke players winning 20 games in an 82 game season?

And I peep how you've cooled on Tyus.

That was a good look. Cuz little Nightcrawler pg's have a low return.


>>
>>And I'll give you this he's solid. He's not Nolan Smith
>>(where's he at btw).
>
>same place doron gonna be.
>

Nope. Doron has an elite skill. So he'll be around while Nolan is trying to barter Wale cd's for goat's milk in some Eastern European village. Sleeping in Hostels and shit.


>
> And he's not Austin Rivers (remember when
>>I called him Bayles & it's weird that he's not even THAT).
>
>remember when you called teague ANYTHING and he's not even
>THAT?


Teague will be alright. Just needs to play. His time will come. It ALWAYS comes. (see E-Bled and Kanter).

See when you put A LOT of dudes into the league, not everyone can get into the optimum situation right away. So you have to wait.

Some guys like Goodwin get into good situations.

Others like T-Jones have to wait.

And then there's others like MKG that just need to round out the edges of their game, let their teams get rid of the shitty players and do what they do.

Lol....psst you wish you had those 3 in your arsenal don't you. But no, you somewhere looking at McRoberts highlights.


> But
>>Kyrie is just solid.
>
>and yet...he's better than EVERY uk player. all of them.
>
> Maybe he needs a big pg type to handle
>>the ball while he shoots. Trade for Tony Wroten (who's
>better
>>than Wall according to you) maybe?
>
>seeing as how wall is stagnant (his preseason was status quo
>and people are scared...LMAO), i ain't backing off that until
>tony stops improving.

You really talking about pre-season now? Seriously?

Ummmm Wroten's done. Sorry. He is what he is.

Just like Quincy Miller is what he is. When your fit of anger called him better than A.D.

No new friends when you try to come around again and talk about Wall being good or A.D. being good or Cuz or E-Bled. It's ALL logged. Just like what you said about Rondo was logged.

>>Ahh well...
>>
>>The NBA season is about to start. And college too. So we
>shall
>>see.
>
>won't we tho?
>
>

Yep we trying to win a title, and put more dudes in the playoffs.

I had Hill to Elton to Booz to Deng to Kyrie...ALL-STARS.

so, before you cyse yourself off non-facts, let's just keep this convo right here, because before Cal set up his Turnstile and Money Bag operation, YOU WERE DRY. i'mma make you remember who the hell you were, dogg. some klan titles, a 90s run and GARBAGE pros.

remember who you were. you'll be there again.

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Keep hyping some losers. You see the tend? I do.

Now we're cheating?

Lol...time to log off. Cuz you're extra mad now.

You talking like a Louisville or Hoosiers fan.

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see, i'm used to having lottery pick after lottery pick that BECOME role players after having high hopes for them. you not. i know STARS are rare. you don't. that's why you done sat here four years in a row and cysed ALL these dudes y'all have produced like y'all gonna have multiple all-star representatives for the next decade. hasn't happened that way, huh? one by one, they settling into ROLE PLAYER status...knight, gilly, PPat, TJ, Enes...then you got your scrubs, like teague and lamb...see there was a time you screamed on ALL them...like, you talked STAR stuff.

dogg, be honest...this happened. meanwhile, duke just had MULTIPLE all-stars. this is our reality while you keep talking that woulda coulda shoulda mumbo jumbo, cysed off draft positions. they gotta PRODUCE. what part of that you don't get?

now, you holding out hope that wall, davis, cuz or bledsoe can pop this year. yeah, dogg...not ONE is a franchise STAR player. they've been neither all-stars nor playoffs...NOR ROY. they've done NOTHING. and soon they'll all settle into ROLE PLAYER status.

i been there. it's disappointing. well, not AS disappointing as this must be for you.

oh, and i guess i can't cyse batty's 2 titles...oops, i mean 3.


L

role player on championship teams.

I don't have to read the rest of what you typed.

You tune into the All Star games & All Star Saturday Night like it's the Finals. I get it. We ALL get it.

Probably be watching the Afternoon HORSE game with chips and shit.

Do you.

Is Brandy gonna perform in for the local kids who have perfect attendance this year?

I don't know. I don't care.

Playoffs though? I care.

>role player on championship teams.

that's what tayshaun was...where he at anyway?

>I don't have to read the rest of what you typed.

summary: you have no ROY winners, no Stars...no nothing. you have draft nights and then...poof. nothing.

>You tune into the All Star games & All Star Saturday Night
>like it's the Finals. I get it. We ALL get it.

um...did ya not see batty in the nba finals? i ain't see no UK dudes hittin 6 threes in a game 7.

it occurs to me that AT THIS MOMENT in THIS EXCHANGE, you have now talked yourself into a corner. we both know it. and it's funny.

>Probably be watching the Afternoon HORSE game with chips and
>shit.

what do you watch? meaningless 6 week contract-fueled hot streaks?

>Do you.

always.

>Is Brandy gonna perform in for the local kids who have perfect
>attendance this year?
>
>I don't know. I don't care.
>
>Playoffs though? I care.

i care too. all your "stars", wall, davis, cuz and bledsoe...they not making it.

i even let you set up the playoffs as a catch all to gain ground and maybe in some posters eyes WIN this kyrie v. wall debate...like, forget stats and accolades and actual performance, we just gonna say playoffs and whoever wins the most games in the playoffs. because you NEED it to be formatted that way. because the stats will be lopsided.

and you STILL gonna take an L.

Dudes upside is run and gun ball where he is the most athletic on the court...thats college.

First off, major kudos to Suns GM Ryan McDonough for recognizing leverage opportunities and turning the players he inherited into Bledsoe and three first rounders in what should be a great draft class. He has set the Suns up for a very nice turnaround.

For the Wiz....Gortat is a very nice addition. He obviously isn't the shot blocker that Emeka is but he still provides good defensive coverage and is very capable on the offensive end...can hit that mid-range jumper off pocket passes, high activity, and moves very well off the ball. They also got some depth on the wings with Shannon and Lee.

He can move unlike Emeka.

It's more or less a straight-up deal for Gortat.

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I have no memory of him since he was D12's backup.

Can roll & finishes at the rim w/ the best of them plus will protect the rim & cleanup the board. When Steve Nash was still in Phx he looked like an All-Star when he left dude fell off hard. Dude has no post-up game nor a jump-shot........think of a more athletic/bigger TiiiiiAgo SplllllitteR (c) Screaming A Smith

but honestly, if you're not getting a top 7 or 8 pick, you're not getting a franchise level/all-star guy. all 3 of the picks they've gotten so far are protected through like 13 or 14. not to say adding solid rooks in the mid 1st round is a bad thing, but it's not like they're gonna have a shot at 2 or 3 lottery guys in one draft.

the extra picks and the cap space is likely to facilitate a trade for a star type,so they don't wind up with RFA Eric Gordon situation.

Or those extra picks or for depth.

Or a move up in the draft.

In this draft rather have more than less.

>it's not like they're gonna have a shot at 2 or 3 lottery
>guys in one draft.

Plus...having 4 1st rounders you can package 2 or 1 and a player to move up.

Having these pieces gives them a variety of options.

i'm not even talkin about international rights or projects like zach randolph cause we know how those go, but good gms find a way. i mean the only guy they want to keep was a high teen pick. and dragic was a second rounder.

they might not get the right guy, but there will be someone there in the teens and twenties that can be a difference maker.

it's just that simple.

I mean I guess they can take the spots vacated by Philadelphia, Milwaukee and the like as middling to bad Eastern Conference teams now. Whooptydamndooo (c) DC

Great return on investment for Phoenix with Gortat. He was decent for them and now they get what will be at least a top 20 pick if not a top 10.

The Wizards will likely make the playoffs with this lineup....The only thing that will stop them is a serious injury to Wall...But all the pieces are there especially with this Gortat move (unspectacular, but very solid on the pick and roll)....

I'm thinking 7th or 8th seed...

Wall was dealing in the second half of the season...For all his silly need to shoot the 3 when he lacks that range, the kid is a real PG who is pretty old school in terms of getting his teammates going...

Agendas aside, Wall is a talented kid...To me, the interesting part will be how some folks will react when the Wizards makes that playoff leap....

Right now I got Miami, Chicago, Brooklyn, Indy, Washington, NY, Bucks, Pistons all making it in the East (in no order)....

Cleveland may get in if Bynum is able to give them something....But that's a big IF...

Or, rather, I'd be stunned if they did. I just don't know how they'll score enough points to win 40 games.

>Or, rather, I'd be stunned if they did. I just don't know how
>they'll score enough points to win 40 games.


I think they will be one of those sneaky teams...I really do...And I think Mayo will go crazy with the chains off...

any time you make a move with that as your goal/expectation, it is an L. shooting for the middle is the worst thing you can do in the NBA, and realistically speaking this is more like shooting for the middle toward the bottom.

they probably could have challenged for one of those spots without gortat. i mean boston will be worse, philly will be worse, milwaukee will be a bit worse, etc. a lot of those 7-10 teams are sucking wind as it is.

now if they have an injury to wall or other significant problems (as they usually do), then they just traded a lotto pick for a decent center.

>any time you make a move with that as your goal/expectation,
>it is an L. shooting for the middle is the worst thing you can
>do in the NBA, and realistically speaking this is more like
>shooting for the middle toward the bottom.

If we were talking about an aging, veteran team, you would be right...But the Wizards main nucleus is still very young...This is a team that hasn't sniffed the playoffs in a while...When you have a young player leading the way (Wall) any playoff experience is great...Especially for a team that has been a joke...



>they probably could have challenged for one of those spots
>without gortat. i mean boston will be worse, philly will be
>worse, milwaukee will be a bit worse, etc. a lot of those 7-10
>teams are sucking wind as it is.

I'm giving the Wizards that 8th or 7th spot...Don't think they can get 6th though...They have to crawl before they can walk...


>now if they have an injury to wall or other significant
>problems (as they usually do), then they just traded a lotto
>pick for a decent center.

I think Wall will be OK...The good thing about the kid is he played his ass off in the second half of the season...The best he's played since that rookie year...I think the Wizards are in for a little luck this season...

with wall and beal, and whatever the hell porter is, add gortat and you have a young core who made the offs a la houston.

i think they're gonna have a decent amount of cap space soon. if they're courting FA's then they can make the "look what we were w/o you / what we can be with you" pitch

gotta give the fanbase something, can't do a rebuild now. gave johnny all that cake.

both gortat and okafor are expiring, but shit, at least gortat will get you oncourt value

and the pick is top 12 protected.

It's very simple really...U want your young star players to make the playoffs...U talking about low seeding...lol....The Wizards are just trying to get over .500...

Making the playoffs would be a big deal for Wall, Beal and company...This is not a team in limbo like say Atlanta for all those years when they would be a 6, 7, or 8th seed...That team needed to be blown up because they were mediocre and had little upside...

But when you have a team still trying to gain respectability...The playoffs (at ANY seed) is the proper first step...

good trade for both sides then, if it winds up being 16 overall for a stepping stone type move, good for the wiz.

That is all the expectations that Ernie has to maintain at this point. This team as currently constructed is barely an 8 seed and I guess that is enough for him to keep his job.

maybe ever?

He's still such an elite passer that if a team with wing/post weapons loses a point guard or two to injury, I can see someone taking a chance on him.

But he's so damn slow, and NBA PGs are so damn fast. Odds are and have been against him. I would've thought he'd have kept improving his 3-point shooting enough that he could've ended up as a Calderon Lite, a backup guy who won't defend at all but can facilitate the offense while your starter rests.

He needs a consistent 38%< 3-point shot to have a shot at ever getting minutes.

After trading Marcin Gortat before Polish Heritage Night, Suns to give free tickets to stiffed fans
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/trading-marcin-gortat-polish-heritage-night-suns-free-192815593--nba.html
After trading Marcin Gortat before Polish Heritage Night, Suns to give free tickets to stiffed fans

By Dan Devine
October 30, 2013 3:20 PM
Ball Don't Lie

When the Phoenix Suns traded starting center Marcin Gortat to the Washington Wizards on Friday, our thoughts immediately turned to the on-court impact of the trade — whether replacing an injured Emeka Okafor/an unimpressive Kevin Seraphin with Gortat is enough of an upgrade to buoy the Wizards' pursuit of a playoff berth, whether a top-12-protected first-round pick was too precious an asset to flip for Gortat's services, just how quickly Suns general manager Ryan McDonough can turn his mounting stockpile of first-rounders into the next generation of competitive Phoenix teams, and so on.

We didn't, however, give much thought to how the trade might affect the Suns' planned promotional calendar ... which makes sense, because that's not really something we tend to consider when the outgoing player isn't really face-of-the-franchise level. Well, that was our bad, apparently. We should have thought about the Suns' opening-night promotion, because it is — no kidding — Polish Heritage Night, which you'd have to imagine is a way more festive occasion when the fans can celebrate a 6-foot-11 strongman from Lodz whose nickname is "The Polish Hammer."



Alas, it's apparently not to be, which kind of bummed Gortat out ... especially given how much effort he put into setting things up for it, as he told Michael Lee of the Washington Post:


The timing of the trade caught Gortat off guard, too, because he assumed that he would at least make it through the first week of the regular season. The Suns planned to have Polish heritage night for their home opener on Wednesday and Gortat had flown in 25 people from his native country — including soldiers stationed in Afghanistan, the Polish minister of sport, the Polish ambassador and children from his basketball camp — for what was expected to be a fun week in Phoenix. But while they were arriving in Arizona, Gortat was catching a flight to start his new life in Washington.
“They all was sitting there at a dinner and chatting about everything. I was sitting by myself in a hotel” in Washington, Gortat said, shaking his head. “So the last 24 hours have been hell. It was hard for me, at the beginning, but this is life. This is a business. The NBA is a big, big business.”
Gate receipts, of course, are a big part of that big, big business. The Suns had set up a deal with the Arizona division of the Polish American Congress that would enable fans to purchase no-fee, discounted tickets in "designated Polish sections," with a portion of the proceeds from the tickets being returned to the Congress. The final deadline to order the tickets was Oct. 21; four days later, Gortat was headed east to the nation's capital.

This, as you might expect, didn't make the Arizona division of the Polish American Congress particularly happy. ("This is very disappointing," a representative for the organization wrote on its Facebook page.) But as Dan Steinberg of the venerable D.C. Sports Bog informs us, the Suns are going about the business of making good with the organization:

I spoke to a representative of the Phoenix Suns and he encouraged all Polish fans to still come to the game and show the strength of the Polish community in Arizona as it cheers for their local team.
To make up for this unpleasant situation the Suns have offered all the fans who bought tickets thru the special web site a free ticket to a game on January 24, 2014 at 7PM in which Marcin Gortat will play with the Wizzards against the Suns.
I will let everyone know how these tickets will be issued (they may be issued at Wednesday's game).
That doesn't do much for the 25 people who made the trip from Poland to Phoenix — not exactly a quick, easy and inexpensive bus ride — or for Gortat, who, again, footed the bill for them all to do so. It's a nice touch, though, for the local fans who've already shelled out cash with the express purpose of watching someone of shared heritage play for what was already likely to be an astoundingly bad Suns team, and who would now otherwise have no reason to do so.

Maybe a Congress member showing up solely to watch Gortat play the pivot will wind up falling in love with Eric Bledsoe in the open court, or Goran Dragic off the dribble, or one of the other (fairly thin) reasons to watch the Suns pursue the top overall pick in the 2014 draft. By using the promise of a free look at Gortat down the line to get these same fans in the door tonight, the Suns give themselves the chance to hook them for the long haul. Sure, the chance might be slim, but stranger things have happened ... like, for example, a team scheduling Polish Heritage Night for the first game of the season, then trading away the only Polish player in the NBA five nights before it came around.

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And Gortat. I'll take my L on him too.

Wall and Co gonna be limping like shit after this game though. Seeing Beal all emotional and shit made me teary.

Hmmm.....Didn't think about it like that. Not wrong though. Hopefully though he don't let the moment get to his head next game because he did play well.

Now this^^^^^is a player to be proud of if u r a fan....

Wall plays the game hard; Nigga doesn't pout when he doesn't get his way; has made fools of all his critics; can dominate a game even without scoring, but can still make an open shot when needed; and doesn't quit on his team....

He's a top 4 PG any way u slice it......

Johnny Be Good....VERY Good....

Nah...I'm immune to the agenda wars when it comes to Wall, Billy.....

I've been in dude's corner since day one....Debated the usual suspects who tried to make dude out to be a loser. Called bullshit on the No Jacket Johnny stuff....And made it known that dude is the best PG in the East when he wants to be...Better than post knee Rose...Better than Kyrie....Ect....

Just because I think Rondo is overrated and a team cancer doesn't mean we can't all be friends on some WAR shit....lol.....Wall and Rondo have nothing to do with each except for the fact they went to the same college.

That about it....

Wall = that dude u want on your team even if he's a rival....That's all to it...

Go be a scared Bulls fan.

wall beasted, but this uptick all about otto. no cysage. KB bout to act so good wednesday night.

Man...fuck outta here...lol

Nothing backhanded about that...Rose was an MVP when he was healthy....Cot damn...This agenda shit making y'all petty as shit...lol

GTFOH!

Like seriously.

since he was drafted.

Anything they do in the future will be dependent on Otto. Even more than Beal imo.

>Go be a scared Bulls fan.



Nope...That's why we got a search function, my dude....

Murph from Dec 2014.....

"That said, I really believe the Wiz are the only team that can stand in the way of the Bulls(barring health) in the East. They are a problem...And all those No-Jacket Johnny jokes now sound pretty idiotic...Wall is the best PG in the East (with Rose getting his game together)...I've been impressed with his game and the Wiz...."


That Laink: http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2375302&mesg_id=2375302&listing_type=search#2404333


And the only thing I'm scared of is how NUTS u mugs have gotten on this agenda shit. lol....

What was the number one song in America?

What was the fashion like then?

Hopefully Beal is healthy, Jesus the way he was writhing and crying I thought he at least had a serious sprain.

>Hopefully Beal is healthy, Jesus the way he was writhing and
>crying I thought he at least had a serious sprain.


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