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Topic subjectExploiting the death of AP's son to preach personal responsibility narrative (link)
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2250949, Exploiting the death of AP's son to preach personal responsibility narrative (link)
Posted by Pinko_Panther, Thu Oct-24-13 12:15 PM
http://socialistworker.org/2013/10/24/open-season-on-black-fathers

Gotta run to work, so no time for my own opinions/comments,
but thought this was a great article for discussion here.
2250976, lol, Peterson wasn't that kid's father he was a sperm donor
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Oct-24-13 01:03 PM
2250987, yeah, people are killing me on both sides of the issue at this point
Posted by Bombastic, Thu Oct-24-13 01:24 PM
While I could never side with baiting idiots like Mushnick, I'm not going to pretend the fact that ne never actually met his 'son' doesn't change the context quite a bit or side-eyeing AP saying 'when you lose a son, it's a very difficult thing' in interviews.

Stripped from the legal/paternity-test/financial-obligations, Manti Teo & Lennay Kekua had a deeper relationship than AP & this son.

And this article was a patronizing & plea-copping mess that I won't even bother going in on.
2251009, it's a fool who looks to a professional athlete for
Posted by veritas, Thu Oct-24-13 02:02 PM
an example of perfect (or even desirable) moral character.

but we knew that.
2251036, I certainly woudln't say I'm looking to athletes for that, just saying
Posted by Bombastic, Thu Oct-24-13 03:18 PM
that the finger-pointing by the Mushnick-like opportunists is obviously awful but I'm also put off by some of the pandering/plea-copping on the other side as well.

It does feel awkward to hear AP talking about losing a son he never knew while certain fawning media & fans pretend it was something it wasn't.

That's all.
2251058, right
Posted by veritas, Thu Oct-24-13 04:07 PM
i guess i'm saying it's best to just stay out of people's personal lives altogether.

but that's unrealistic.

2251116, true & true
Posted by Bombastic, Thu Oct-24-13 07:50 PM
>i guess i'm saying it's best to just stay out of people's
>personal lives altogether.
>
>but that's unrealistic.
>
>
2251000, That from the bible?
Posted by Ceej, Thu Oct-24-13 01:54 PM
2250985, White, black, green whatever...cum inside a girl then you better follow up.
Posted by Tiger Woods, Thu Oct-24-13 01:24 PM
Tom Brady was every bit the shitty dad Adrian Peterson was, save this bullshit.
2250988, Whoa, how is Tom Brady in the same discussion
Posted by EmDub, Thu Oct-24-13 01:29 PM
He is constantly pictured with all of his kids.

Just because they broke up before he was born doesn't mean that he is not in the kids life.


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2251002, He went months refusing to pay child support
Posted by Tiger Woods, Thu Oct-24-13 01:55 PM
2251013, where did you hear that?
Posted by pretentious username, Thu Oct-24-13 02:31 PM
2251156, 60 Minutes story
Posted by Tiger Woods, Thu Oct-24-13 09:07 PM
There was a paternity pissing contest over it too
2251018, I am almost positive that is not true
Posted by EmDub, Thu Oct-24-13 02:56 PM
He got with a model while his ex girl was pregnant, but I am pretty sure that is all he got shit for.
2251049, and the shit he got ended when he married that model
Posted by pretentious username, Thu Oct-24-13 03:40 PM
and it seemed like all three were getting along.
2251040, You Ain't Got Ta Lie, Craig. You Ain't Gotta Lie.
Posted by Bombastic, Thu Oct-24-13 03:22 PM
2250993, lets not play the apples to oranges 'he did it too' game, Brady knew and
Posted by Bombastic, Thu Oct-24-13 01:36 PM
acknowledged his son long before his actual birth and without a paternity test, mothered by a woman he had just been in a three-year-relationship with plus has partial custody of the kid.

AP meanwhile just acknowledged this kid's existence, never met him while alive & reportedly has at least 5 other out-of-wedlock kids that the public knows about.
2250994, You mean "was made aware of"?
Posted by ErnestLee, Thu Oct-24-13 01:43 PM

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>AP meanwhile just acknowledged this kid's existence,
2251043, either way n/m
Posted by Bombastic, Thu Oct-24-13 03:23 PM
2251004, I'm just trying to make a point that shitty dads come in all colors
Posted by Tiger Woods, Thu Oct-24-13 01:56 PM
2251006, Do people say otherwise?
Posted by Ceej, Thu Oct-24-13 01:58 PM
2251019, Use Bird then
Posted by EmDub, Thu Oct-24-13 02:58 PM
You just picked a bad example. Brady is literally ALWAYS photographed with that kid with him, always has been


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2251034, you're equation of these two examples failed tho
Posted by Bombastic, Thu Oct-24-13 03:13 PM
2251053, can we dead this convo now?..
Posted by CyrenYoung, Thu Oct-24-13 03:48 PM
..its apparent that the press ran with a bunch of bullshit, and no one outside of AP and the mothers of his children know the real deal.

all parties involved stated that he didn't even know about the child until recently, so there's really no reason to start pointing fingers. he's certainly not the first man to have children with different women.

everyone wants a story, but lost in all of this is the fact that a child died in a senseless tragedy, at the hands of a monster.

AP asked that people allow them to deal with this privately. is that such a stretch?


*skatin' the rings of saturn*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=B7E8dge7H8Y


..and miles to go before i sleep...
2251061, base
Posted by veritas, Thu Oct-24-13 04:15 PM

2251062, Please
Posted by Marauder21, Thu Oct-24-13 04:18 PM
2251063, We discuss other athlete's personal situations, why draw the line here?
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Oct-24-13 04:22 PM
2251064, i think we can draw the line at/above murdered 2 year olds
Posted by veritas, Thu Oct-24-13 04:25 PM
2251072, ...and done.
Posted by bignick, Thu Oct-24-13 04:57 PM
2251076, ^^^ nothing more to see here. lock this post
Posted by ne_atl, Thu Oct-24-13 05:07 PM
2251078, ding (c)Wyclef
Posted by Dstl1, Thu Oct-24-13 05:25 PM
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2251085, its not really about the kid or how he died though
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Oct-24-13 05:43 PM
2251088, What's the title of this post again?
Posted by bignick, Thu Oct-24-13 05:47 PM
2251090, its an article about an "attack on black fathers" when AP was only a...
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Oct-24-13 05:50 PM
father to this kid in the moment that he skeeted off in his mom and after he died
2251091, Okay. You're being obtuse. I'm done with this.
Posted by bignick, Thu Oct-24-13 05:53 PM

2251379, Most of OKS comments have missed the point of this article entirely...
Posted by Pinko_Panther, Fri Oct-25-13 01:16 PM
The article has very little to do with AP as a person. It is
simply highlighting a media frame that uses such a tragedy to
push a faulty "personal responsibility" agenda that obscures
social and economic realities. A lot of media commentators and
writers have seized this story as an opportunity to make up a
shitty moral tale about the general lack of morality among black
fathers in America.

I agree that we should stay out of the personal lives of others,
especially in a situation so tragic. What this article highlights
is that the people who are sticking their noses in AP's lives are
the very people who buy into this regressive, small-picture frame
of "personal responsibility" that only serves to project a false
image of black fathers as "the problem". When media frames stories
this way, it sweeps real social and economic issues under the
rug while promoting an agenda of character assault and finger
pointing (the mainstream media's way of avoiding having the public
educated about actual problems in society).
2251384, its kinda a no shit point at this point
Posted by thejerseytornado, Fri Oct-25-13 01:26 PM
like pointing out the tea partiers are racist, it's pretty much gotten to the point that people either already know, or never will accept the knowledge.

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It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.
2251387, article is a mess-it ironically fails using the same approach it assails
Posted by Bombastic, Fri Oct-25-13 01:34 PM
i.e. taking a big-name to give platform to its own sweeping societal/political point of view on a larger issue.

It starts with Peterson's situation & one third of the way in spin-moves into a tale of black folks living along or under the poverty line when obviously that's not a group to which Adrian Peterson belongs.

And the pandering, condescending 'just because they don't live with their children doesn't mean they're not in their lives' part of the article when it features AP's name in its headline addressing his now-dead son who he had never met is problematic at best.

2251389, So according to this study, if dude is not the breadwinner, he gone
Posted by select_from_where, Fri Oct-25-13 01:40 PM
THIS THEN begs the question of why many fathers do find it difficult to remain involved in a stable and long-term way. The answer to this has to begin with the reality of the high levels of Black unemployment and poverty. A 2007 study found that the ability of Black fathers to provide the majority of the financial support is the key determinant of whether he stays in the home.


HAHAHAHHAA

Yo what fucking study is this? where is the literature.

This is so funny on so many levels
2251411, clearly this was a problem for AP...
Posted by ThaTruth, Fri Oct-25-13 02:42 PM

>The answer to this has to begin with the reality of the high
>levels of Black unemployment and poverty. A 2007 study found
>that the ability of Black fathers to provide the majority of
>the financial support is the key determinant of whether he
>stays in the home.
2251391, Ladies, this article is trolling you so hard....lololol
Posted by select_from_where, Fri Oct-25-13 01:43 PM