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2218887, Dez Bryant is kinda talking about it....
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Aug-15-13 12:03 PM
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/dez-bryant-says-hell-yeah-ll-mad-ncaa-130920761.html

Dez Bryant says ‘Hell yeah, I’ll be mad’ if NCAA doesn’t suspend Johnny Manziel

By Frank Schwab

Dez Bryant is suspicious of the NCAA, and for good reason.

Everyone should be suspicious of the NCAA, whose inconsistent rulings and hypocrisy are maddening, but Bryant has a personal reason. A legal dinner at Deion Sanders' house turned into Bryant being suspended for most of the 2009 season. The NCAA suspended Bryant for not disclosing what happened when he met Sanders.

So now Bryant, a star receiver with the Dallas Cowboys, is closely watching what happens with the Johnny Manziel autograph scandal.

Manziel, the 2012 Heisman Trophy winner, is being investigated for possibly signing thousands of autographs for money. That would be a far worse violation than a meal with a former NFL star, which is why Bryant is already getting a bit agitated. Not because he has an issue with Manziel – Bryant made it very clear he has no problem at all with the Texas A&M quarterback – but he has a problem with the NCAA if it doesn't punish Manziel after what it did to him.

"Hell yeah, I’ll be mad," Bryant said, according to the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. "I will be mad. But I don’t want him to get suspended. I will be mad more at the NCAA on how they do things. I just feel like it’s not fair. This is something I have no problem talking about because I feel like somebody needs to say something to him and let it be known how they treat people is not right."

That's an understandable reaction, given what Bryant went through.

Bryant admits his wrongdoing back when he was at Oklahoma State. He told the Star-Telegram he lied to the NCAA because the investigator frightened him into believing he did something wrong when he met Sanders. He then told the truth but the suspension was never lifted.

And again, this isn't about Manziel in Bryant's mind. In fact, he thinks that Manziel should be allowed to sell his autograph.

"He should be able to sign as many autographs and make as much money as he wants, because it’s his name," Bryant said to the Star-Telegram. "I feel like he’s the one who created it. He should be able to do whatever he feels as long as it’s legal and I don’t think there’s anything illegal about signing a picture of yourself and making money off himself. Shoot, the NCAA is making money off of it when they’re selling those No. 2 shirts. Why can’t he make a little bit of money off of it?"

Bryant obviously doesn't know the core philosophy of the NCAA and college sports, which is that everyone shall make money off college athletes except the college athletes themselves. And once that rule is met, the next rule is to do whatever you can to make even more money off them. More realignment, anyone?

Bryant is an unlikely voice of reason in battling the vile and exploitative business of college sports, but it makes sense. He's one of the best examples of the NCAA's haphazard way of enforcing its archaic rules.

"I don’t want anything to happen to Manziel, I promise," Bryant said, according to the Star-Telegram. "I don’t want anything. I just want them to know what they’re doing is not right. That’s all they need to know and they need to understand that. Seriously. They really do."
2218888, He's right
Posted by ErnestLee, Thu Aug-15-13 12:06 PM
2218901, yep, and not even kinda...
Posted by LegacyNS, Thu Aug-15-13 12:28 PM

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Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html
2218962, Basically
Posted by RexLongfellow, Thu Aug-15-13 02:44 PM
Dude is 100% right
2218889, That's not kinda talking about it, he is talking about it
Posted by calij81, Thu Aug-15-13 12:09 PM
He is also right. The NCAA fucked him over his last season of CFB and that was one of the reasons he fell in the draft.
2218899, He didn't specifically call out the 'CISM but we all know what it is
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Aug-15-13 12:25 PM
2218903, NCAA bout that white?
Posted by LegacyNS, Thu Aug-15-13 12:29 PM
lol
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Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html
2218907, I am sure that is part of it but I think the bigger issue is established program
Posted by calij81, Thu Aug-15-13 12:40 PM
vs non established. Bryant played for Oklahoma State, a program without much of a winning history or big tradition. If Bryant plays for Oklahoma I doubt he is suspended.

If Manziel played for Iowa State he probably gets suspended.
2218913, rhett bomar disagrees
Posted by veritas, Thu Aug-15-13 01:07 PM
but rhett bomar was way dirtier than dez, so...

yea i agree with this. it's both. race and program level.
2218940, Terelle Pryor might disagree.
Posted by ThaTruth, Thu Aug-15-13 01:54 PM
2218945, Pryor actually traded his gear for tats, all Bryant did was have dinner with Sanders
Posted by calij81, Thu Aug-15-13 02:04 PM
From what I recall Bryant didn't do anything other than have dinner with Sanders. Pryor and the other OSU kids actually traded stuff for things. I am not saying what they did was wrong but it isn't apple to apples.
2218948, an agent was also supposedly present (Eugene Parker)
Posted by guru0509, Thu Aug-15-13 02:06 PM
although all three parties vehemently deny it
2218957, No email evidence or any other type of evidence the agent was there
Posted by calij81, Thu Aug-15-13 02:35 PM
The thing that killed OSU was all the email correspondence, without those emails those OSU players don't see such a long suspension.
2218961, Nah, they got 5 games for selling their shit.
Posted by guru0509, Thu Aug-15-13 02:43 PM
What fucked OSU was Tressel knew they sold shit, didnt report it, and let them play the season out. He got what he deserved, and so did we (a 10.1 Violation is SERIOUS). I honestly thought we'd get a two year bowl ban.

The villification of Tressel and TOSU during the whole thing was hilarious. even more so after we found out what state penn, miami, and unc were up to.

(glad he lied, btw. gave us a chance to reboot with some new blood with minimal damage)


edit, Dez got a raw deal too. but he shouldnt have lied to the NCAA interrogator. they hate that shit...Bruce Pearl knows.
2219312, LOL @ state penn. how many missed that one?
Posted by muzuabo, Fri Aug-16-13 03:46 PM
2218958, he lied about it too, i think
Posted by veritas, Thu Aug-15-13 02:37 PM
>From what I recall Bryant didn't do anything other than have
>dinner with Sanders.
2218963, that's the kicker (no pun intended)
Posted by guru0509, Thu Aug-15-13 02:50 PM
2218938, shit's like 3 different kinds of 'cism.
Posted by rob, Thu Aug-15-13 01:50 PM
2218942, Nothing has happened yet
Posted by Cocobrotha2, Thu Aug-15-13 01:59 PM
NCAA has to actually finish the investigation and DO something before anyone can say they've been treated differently.
2218946, they've already been treated differently.
Posted by rob, Thu Aug-15-13 02:05 PM
"give em the benefit of the doubt and let's see how this plays out" is a privilege.
2219094, An investigation is the "benefit of the doubt"
Posted by Cocobrotha2, Fri Aug-16-13 05:28 AM
And they both got, or are getting, investigated.... So I don't see what special privilege Manziel is getting from the NCAA now that Dez didn't get.
2219095, agreed.. this is about what they do to Manziel if they conclude
Posted by LegacyNS, Fri Aug-16-13 06:00 AM
there was wrong doing...
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html
2219130, He better get 5 games. Anything less is bullshit*
Posted by guru0509, Fri Aug-16-13 09:41 AM
* if he did sign for money...


2219155, dez bryant got suspended for BEING investigated
Posted by rob, Fri Aug-16-13 11:22 AM
manziel won't be in the same situation. they already got treated differently.
2222776, NOW they've been treated differently
Posted by Cocobrotha2, Wed Aug-28-13 05:18 PM
>manziel won't be in the same situation. they already got
>treated differently.
2222778, Good. Fuck Dez, Cryin-Ass Cowboy Fans & Anything Interfering w/Sept 14th
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Aug-28-13 05:24 PM
2222781, RE: Good. Fuck Dez, Cryin-Ass Cowboy Fans & Anything Interfering w/Sept 14th
Posted by guru0509, Wed Aug-28-13 05:35 PM
https://twitter.com/TaylorTravis15/status/357178576237375488/photo/1

lol oooohweeee cant wait.
2222798, me either
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Aug-28-13 06:19 PM
>https://twitter.com/TaylorTravis15/status/357178576237375488/photo/1
>
>lol oooohweeee cant wait.
2219305, oh ,if they got the goods on em they better fry him
Posted by LegacyNS, Fri Aug-16-13 03:32 PM
Or Dez, AJ Green & TP (are ya w/meh) gonna molly whoop some ngaz.. lol
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html
2222797, they gonna not do shit but be mad & watch him play Bama
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Aug-28-13 06:19 PM
>Or Dez, AJ Green & TP (are ya w/meh) gonna molly whoop some
>ngaz.. lol
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>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo
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>Occupy Big Government..
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>Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
>http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html
2222848, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b85stKx3ZY © NCAA
Posted by LegacyNS, Wed Aug-28-13 09:39 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6b85stKx3ZY

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<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html
2218902, NCAA bout that trife..
Posted by LegacyNS, Thu Aug-15-13 12:28 PM

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<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html
2218922, good for him, man
Posted by bshelly, Thu Aug-15-13 01:32 PM
much as dude been shat upon for his character, he's winning and now he's talking bout it.
2218943, what is Dez Bryant winning?
Posted by Bombastic, Thu Aug-15-13 02:03 PM
>much as dude been shat upon for his character, he's winning
>and now he's talking bout it.
2218949, more than 4 games. shaddup.
Posted by rob, Thu Aug-15-13 02:06 PM
2218951, oh that's quite an accomplishment, I stand corrected.
Posted by Bombastic, Thu Aug-15-13 02:21 PM
2218969, me a fantasy title, so BACK OFF MY MAN
Posted by bshelly, Thu Aug-15-13 03:08 PM
seriously, if the eagles had kept reid, i was going full heel and purchasing a dez jersey. i still might. that dude won me a title, which is more than i can say about any eagle.
2218996, http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3137/3048430273_3ca3e962c0_o.gif
Posted by Bombastic, Thu Aug-15-13 04:55 PM
>seriously, if the eagles had kept reid, i was going full heel
>and purchasing a dez jersey. i still might. that dude won me
>a title, which is more than i can say about any eagle.

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3137/3048430273_3ca3e962c0_o.gif
2219136, http://gifs.gifbin.com/052009/reverse-1243271414_black_guy_laughing.gif
Posted by RaFromQueens, Fri Aug-16-13 09:51 AM
http://gifs.gifbin.com/052009/reverse-1243271414_black_guy_laughing.gif
2218971, ^ just sprayed into the frey to prove that he's got one ^
Posted by LegacyNS, Thu Aug-15-13 03:12 PM

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<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html
2218998, by the end of the season only wr they'll have is the racist.
Posted by rob, Thu Aug-15-13 04:57 PM
2219082, think he'll last all year?
Posted by AlBundy, Thu Aug-15-13 11:59 PM
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“Floyd Mayweather should be taking fights up to 157 or 160 pounds...His frame can hold the weight..it's not even a lot of weight....Go to the gym and lift weights man..lol.”-- Warren Coolidge
2219096, we need a smurf to chime in on this post to make it complete.. lol
Posted by LegacyNS, Fri Aug-16-13 06:08 AM
and I think someone gonna try to take his head off..
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html
2219135, let me know if you wanna wager Yards/TDs Desean vs Dez
Posted by Bombastic, Fri Aug-16-13 09:51 AM
2219148, is this an open offer or just for rob?
Posted by veritas, Fri Aug-16-13 10:53 AM
and how does it go if one has more td's but the other has more yards? is there going to be a metric to decide the winner?
2219160, I mean I'd prefer to take it off a Cowboy fan but I'd let you in on it
Posted by Bombastic, Fri Aug-16-13 11:35 AM
and I'm not sure if the thing ended in a different leader in each, because catches should go to Dez & yards-per-catch is gonna be Desean if both are healthy.
2219338, standard fantasy says a TD is basically worth 60 yards
Posted by veritas, Fri Aug-16-13 04:36 PM
i dunno that i agree, but it seems like a fair conversion for our purposes.

i've never been in on a bomb bet. need to start somewhere.
2219451, that works for me, stakes?
Posted by Bombastic, Sat Aug-17-13 10:11 AM
>i dunno that i agree, but it seems like a fair conversion for
>our purposes.
>
>i've never been in on a bomb bet. need to start somewhere.
2219675, something minor, $25?
Posted by veritas, Mon Aug-19-13 04:31 PM
i don't want THAT much invested in the cowboys offense...
2219705, cool, done n/m
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Aug-19-13 05:34 PM
>i don't want THAT much invested in the cowboys offense...
2219712, he usually makes one lunatic bet per season...this is it
Posted by Dstl1, Mon Aug-19-13 05:47 PM
I'll take yards or TD's...whichever tickles your fancy, man.
2219127, just revisiting this, the fact he got hit with 10 games over a dinner
Posted by rjc27, Fri Aug-16-13 09:32 AM
is such a disgrace, it's satisfying to see this did not end up hurting his career, which would have been a damn shame


<< Started From The Bottom
2219128, on what basis are you saying that?
Posted by veritas, Fri Aug-16-13 09:39 AM
it's satisfying to see this did not end
>up hurting his career, which would have been a damn shame

2219133, still went rnd 1, now is regarded as a top 5 wr who will get $$$$
Posted by rjc27, Fri Aug-16-13 09:42 AM
on his next contract, probably in the 60 mil range

it created bumps, but it did not hinder him on some Mike Williams shit



<< Started From The Bottom
2219147, fair enough
Posted by veritas, Fri Aug-16-13 10:52 AM
it certainly didn't hurt his career as much as it could have.

no sense in having a semantic argument about those bumps hurting his career.
2219156, it's worse than that, they didn't even suspend him over dinner
Posted by rob, Fri Aug-16-13 11:23 AM
they suspended him because they wanted to talk about shit he did that wasn't even wrong, and they scared him, and he handled it poorly.
2222784, Dez LIED to the NCAA and they could prove it.
Posted by will_5198, Wed Aug-28-13 05:39 PM
same thing that got Bruce Pearl fired / show caused.

Manziel is more analogous to Newton. it's assumed both took money, but nobody who wants to can prove it.
2222794, This fact will be ignored by most.
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Aug-28-13 06:06 PM
Outrage level too high for facts.
2222851, the fact is that the ncaa scared him into lying to them.
Posted by rob, Wed Aug-28-13 10:06 PM
and it's okay to call that foul considering the organization's inconsistencies and tactics.

they wanted him to talk then. he has a right to talk about it now.
2222859, how exactly?
Posted by will_5198, Wed Aug-28-13 10:44 PM
I agree that Bryant and A.J. Green were targeted, in part because they were thought to be dealing with agents. that said, the NCAA interviewed Bryant twice (weeks apart) -- and he lied both times. if he had been forthright, he would've gotten a nominal suspension like Manziel did, if at all.

just like if Manziel had denied being at any of those signings this off-season, he'd be gone for 2013. Bryant's suspension was his fault and Oklahoma State's for not having him better informed.
2222860, alls i'm saying is the fact is dez had every reason to be scared
Posted by rob, Wed Aug-28-13 10:51 PM
and acted like it. manziel clearly has no reason to be scared and is acting accordingly as well. we know that, other than their reactions to the ncaa, manziel has done as bad as dez did.

it doesn't mean dez shouldn't have been suspended for lying or that he did nothing wrong. but it is some bullshit. which is basically what dez said.
2222799, he also beat his mama, whines like a bitch & plays for the Cowboys
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Aug-28-13 06:23 PM
so fuck him, his feelings & BShelly's fantasy team.
2222852, so basically he's a 90s cowboy and you're scared.
Posted by rob, Wed Aug-28-13 10:08 PM
2222949, Man, NOBODY is scared f the Cowboys
Posted by RaFromQueens, Thu Aug-29-13 10:35 AM
$100 says you miss the playoffs
2223192, I'm scared if Josh Brent's drivin in the next lane over, that's about it
Posted by Bombastic, Thu Aug-29-13 08:02 PM