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2211484, Who'd you rather have from MLB 2010 draft?
Posted by Wordman, Wed Dec-31-69 07:00 PM

Poll question: Who'd you rather have from MLB 2010 draft?

Poll result (9 votes)
Bryce Harper (4 votes)Vote
Matt Harvey (2 votes)Vote
Manny Machado (3 votes)Vote

  

2211485, Harvey was 2007
Posted by Ceej, Sun Jul-21-13 02:43 PM
2211597, RE: Harvey was 2007
Posted by ISmashedYourBitch, Mon Jul-22-13 05:33 AM
Why do niggas like you come in here all wrong and post shit like it is a fuckin fact, can you fucking read or where you so hype to be loud and wrong that you never finished reading his wikipedia page to know he was drafted by the Mets in 2010 after he turned down the LAA in 07.

2211599, Probably the latter, I just knew he was drafted same year as Porcello
Posted by Ceej, Mon Jul-22-13 06:14 AM
2211600, I think it's a fair distinction
Posted by Walleye, Mon Jul-22-13 06:19 AM
One of these guys is not like the others: the one who was also drafted in 2007.

Harvey's a Boras client, so he had a price. I'd assume more teams are kicking themselves for not matching that price in 2007 than just the six (two of which took Machado/Harper) who passed on him in 2010.
2211572, If I'm the owner of the team Harper
Posted by VonClay, Sun Jul-21-13 11:58 PM
2211598, Chris Sale is the best player from this draft so far
Posted by Walleye, Mon Jul-22-13 06:12 AM
Lesson: don't get drafted by a team in the central time zone if you want people to pay attention.
2211707, Sale's arm mechanics are going to blow his shoulder and elbow to shreds
Posted by j0510, Mon Jul-22-13 12:10 PM
and when it happens it is going to be nasty.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvAM_Wok6dEixuXykkWoZQoD7muV75xATaB5dN_n4aIJ8FW8aT

http://sports.cbsimg.net/images//visual/whatshot/Chris-Sale-White-Sox-opening-day-starter-2013.jpg
2211710, But before that happens, lefties have no chance
Posted by Ceej, Mon Jul-22-13 12:13 PM
2211717, *unless they don't
Posted by Walleye, Mon Jul-22-13 12:22 PM
I get it. Watching him throw makes my arm hurt.

But the smoking metaphor is still the cure for all the fake science of mechanics analysis.

-Smoking is a cause of lung cancer
-Some people smoke their whole lives and don't get lung cancer
-Some people never smoke and still get lung cancer

It's also worth pointing out that Tommy John is now kind of an expected part of the career trajectory for most pitchers. So unless Sale does something apocalyptic to his joints, I don't think missing a season to recover from TJ really says anything about him that it wouldn't also say about somebody like Dylan Bundy and his perfect mechanics: that pitching any particular way isn't as notably responsible for arm injuries as simply pitching.
2211831, it is?
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jul-22-13 02:54 PM

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>It's also worth pointing out that Tommy John is now kind of an
>expected part of the career trajectory for most pitchers.
2211838, "Kind of"
Posted by Walleye, Mon Jul-22-13 03:06 PM
Around sixty pitchers on MLB 40-man rosters had the surgery in 2012 calendar year. Teams are anticipating elbow injuries and developing organizational procedures for dealing with this because they know it's going to happen. Look at Strasburg's famous shut-down. The Nats were fine with hard-and-fast rules on that because they'd tested the rules (to their satisfaction) with Zimmerman the previous year.

That fits the definition of "expected" to me.

But the larger point here is that pitchers get hurt. That's the most certain rule we have for this stuff.

Unless Sale does something truly unique to his arm, and perhaps even then, I don't think pointing to his visually gruesome mechanics is a fully satisfactory answer.

He's also in his second year as a full time starter and hasn't gotten hurt yet.
2211681, Manny
Posted by jigga, Mon Jul-22-13 11:32 AM
2211829, If Machado can play shortstop as well as he plays 3rd maybe him
Posted by 40thStreetBlack, Mon Jul-22-13 02:50 PM
if he's not as unbelievable at short as he is at third then I'd probably go Harper ahead of him.

That being said, I wouldn't trade Harvey for either of them.

2211837, That's a very fair take
Posted by Call It Anything, Mon Jul-22-13 03:05 PM