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2210332, I'm having a SEIZURE watching Nelly on First Take
Posted by RaFromQueens, Tue Jul-16-13 12:49 PM
HE LIT KOBE UP MOST TRUTH EVER ON ESPN SDFASIFJIFAWJEIFJAWEAWE
2210339, What did he say?
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jul-16-13 12:58 PM
2210342, Basically that Dwight leaving is Kobe's fault and that Kobe never
Posted by RaFromQueens, Tue Jul-16-13 01:04 PM
receives due critisim. He retorted "Dwight quit" with Kobe quitting vs the Suns. I'm surprised ESPN didn't cut it off at the sheer mention. He said people are taking PAYCUTS to play with Lebron and Dwight left money on the table to leave Kobe. He accused Kobe of not wanting Phil back (idk about that).

Couple other shots I'm leaving out.

He started out with "who wants to play with Kobe?" Stephen A said something about blasphemy and Nelly said "that's the problem" and I caught the holy ghost.
2210348, Sounds like a lot of MAD to me, how many times has Kobe's teams...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jul-16-13 01:12 PM
knock him out of the playoffs?
2210356, You know what that Laker stuff finna be next year?
Posted by RaFromQueens, Tue Jul-16-13 01:23 PM
Missin the playoffs! (c) St. Nelly
2210357, I didn't see it but every part of this is true:
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Jul-16-13 01:25 PM
>receives due critisim. He retorted "Dwight quit" with Kobe
>quitting vs the Suns. I'm surprised ESPN didn't cut it off at
>the sheer mention. He said people are taking PAYCUTS to play
>with Lebron and Dwight left money on the table to leave Kobe.
>He accused Kobe of not wanting Phil back (idk about that).
>
>Couple other shots I'm leaving out.
>
>He started out with "who wants to play with Kobe?" Stephen A
>said something about blasphemy and Nelly said "that's the
>problem" and I caught the holy ghost.
2210359, THERE WAS MORE AND IT WAS GREAT
Posted by RaFromQueens, Tue Jul-16-13 01:32 PM
2210361, this idea that no one wants to play with Kobe is a complete myth
Posted by LBs Finest, Tue Jul-16-13 01:33 PM
Jamison took a pay cut just last year to come here, Metta wanted to help Kobe so bad he approached him in the shower after game 6 in Boston to express that desire, then signed with us 1 year later. Fisher took a paycut to stay in LA instead of joining the big 3 in Miami because he was loyal to Kobe. Steve Blake had like 6 teams after him in 2010 and he took a paycut to come here. Barnes took a paycut to come here. Lamar could have taken a paycut to go back to Miami, instead he stayed in LA.
2210367, That's an impressive list of names.
Posted by B9, Tue Jul-16-13 01:41 PM
:-|
2210370, lol, he bodied himself & his boy with that list
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Jul-16-13 01:43 PM
2210374, Antoine Walker must be out of minutes on his phone
Posted by B9, Tue Jul-16-13 01:50 PM
2210602, dawg..basically said.."what about this cheeseburger I got for you, tho?"
Posted by liveguy, Tue Jul-16-13 11:44 PM
LOL
2210372, ^^^^Authentic Discourse
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Tue Jul-16-13 01:49 PM
2210380, Y'all acting like a bunch of stars in their prime are taking less money...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jul-16-13 01:53 PM
To play with Lebron
2210383, I think we can all agree Ray Allen is better than everyone on that
Posted by mrhood75, Tue Jul-16-13 01:57 PM
list.

And Chris Bosh did take less money to play on a team with LeBron.
2210391, I dunno, if Steve Blake stood on Derek Fisher's shoulders...
Posted by B9, Tue Jul-16-13 02:01 PM
2210392, Ray Allen is not too far from Derek Fisher at this point, and Bosh is...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jul-16-13 02:04 PM
making the EXACT SAME money as Lebron
2210395, 1. FOH 2 HE GAVE UP MAX MONEY FOH x1000
Posted by RaFromQueens, Tue Jul-16-13 02:05 PM
2210397, At the beginning of this last season Ray was better than all of them
Posted by mrhood75, Tue Jul-16-13 02:07 PM
Which was when he signed with them.

>making the EXACT SAME money as Lebron

But he still took less than money than he could have made to do it. Which is what you stipulated.
2210403, Ring chasing at the end of your career doesn't count or we could dig up...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jul-16-13 02:12 PM
Karl Malone and Gary Peyton
2210418, Because, like GP and Malone, Ray didn't have a ring before now.
Posted by B9, Tue Jul-16-13 02:23 PM
OKAY
2210479, Ray "at the end of his career" had better years than everyone
Posted by mrhood75, Tue Jul-16-13 04:02 PM
named up there who made "sacrifices" to sign with Kobe.
2210459, you gon say that when ray hit the most important shot of the yr?
Posted by themaddfapper, Tue Jul-16-13 03:26 PM

2210461, Fisher hit big shots too
Posted by LBs Finest, Tue Jul-16-13 03:32 PM

2210982, Please don't disrespect Ray Allen like that
Posted by VonClay, Thu Jul-18-13 02:23 AM
Preciate it
2210384, When did Wade's prime end?
Posted by RaFromQueens, Tue Jul-16-13 01:57 PM
2210389, One of those guys took less money to play on a better team
Posted by B9, Tue Jul-16-13 02:00 PM
The other is sitting on roster-killing contract and refusing to restructure while chasing away teammates and coaches for fun.

2210396, you can't restructure in the NBA smart guy
Posted by LBs Finest, Tue Jul-16-13 02:06 PM
you haven't watched much basketball since your OKP exile huh?
2210413, Yep, you're right. But when did Steve Blake become an elite player?
Posted by B9, Tue Jul-16-13 02:18 PM
Congratulations on having Kobe and his max money doing all that good with that rack of clothes-hangers for the next year (and likely, stupidly, after).
2210456, never said he was, like i said we havent had cap space to sign any elite
Posted by LBs Finest, Tue Jul-16-13 03:22 PM
players, which is fine, didn't stop us from becoming the winningest franchise in recent memory, but the guys I named are examples of players who have taken pay-cuts to play with Kobe, all role players like Ray Allen has become now at the tail end of his career. in Jamison's case he took a $10 million pay cut.
2351672, they already did.
Posted by pretentious username, Wed Jul-16-14 01:15 PM
2210399, lol
Posted by Cenario, Tue Jul-16-13 02:08 PM
2210405, LMAO
Posted by Lach, Tue Jul-16-13 02:14 PM
2210572, LMAO
Posted by rjc27, Tue Jul-16-13 09:27 PM
2210711, lol
Posted by the_time_is_when_god...lounge, Wed Jul-17-13 10:52 AM
2210369, don't bring up washed-up dudes willing to acquiesce & borderline bums
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Jul-16-13 01:42 PM
Talk real players.

You taking only a short time before getting to Steve Blake is actually more damaging then if you just hadn't said anything at all.
2210386, We've never had cap space to sign any stars
Posted by LBs Finest, Tue Jul-16-13 01:58 PM
2210387, you've had stars already on the roster, dude, which is actually worse
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Jul-16-13 01:59 PM
2210430, So.... where is the FA money to pay FA's?
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Jul-16-13 02:38 PM
You're kind of dodging that point.

Oh there are stars on the roster? Fine. That's legit discourse in terms of last season.That's not what he's responding to or about though, and you know it.
2210484, did they have the ability to pay Dwight more money? That was my point.
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Jul-16-13 04:10 PM
>
2210493, Nah man you're smarter than this
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Jul-16-13 04:36 PM
The financial breakdown of how those two options played out has been done a thousand times, and LA had a thin edge when it was all said and done.

If the entire financial and personel makeup of Houston were in another state aside from Florida, it's an entirely different conversation.

Dwight *appears* to have left 30 million on the table, but the reality is much different.
2210504, oh I didn't say 30 mill, just sayin it was more & he was already there
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Jul-16-13 05:11 PM
and this is the Lakers.

He didn't like Kobe or D'Antoni & he knew Kobe still the focal point of that team despite coming off Achilles surgery, being old & having only one year left on his deal so he bounced.
2210511, Yeah.... but let's all be honest about this situation.
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Jul-16-13 05:43 PM
And not really the guy to hold up as an example of guys who don't want to play with Kobe on a personality basis.

Half the posters in here big upping the comments of a man whose own career had 1/4 the shelf life of Kobe's call Dwight a bitch as it is. We're also talking about a proven winner vs a perrenial bridesmaid going to play with a guy who wilted the first time he hit the big stage.

Dwight said to thank Parsons, of all people, for getting him to Houston, and why? Because he blew up his phone!

Let's be real here:

GS had the better supporting cast in place and would have been an immediate monster. They could have conceivably trotted out a starting 5 of Dwight, Lee, Curry, Thompson, and Iggy. Think about that shit. Even if they traded Lee, the rest of that squad is scary.

Thing is, Houston has no state tax and has been licking his asshole for an entire year and their stars broke out the jelly and syrup and went to town on that shit. He saw a menial financial discrepancy+players who fawned over him like starving children staring at the food in a+an organization with a great tradition of big men that wasn't near as suffocating in depth and history and expectations as LA, and there you have his decision.

Hell, if you're being honest and objective, Kobe may not even crack the top 5 reasons Dwight left, and if he is, he's at the bottom of the list.

It's all good and fun to watch Nelly go on his rant as a Kobe hater, but once the high wears off and you actually look at the big picture.... it's much more bark than bite from a guy whose place in the pantheon of urban music isn't remotely close to the level of Kobe's status in the pantheon of the NBA.
2210458, Kobe could've been the nicest guy in the world, Dwight woulda still left
Posted by LBs Finest, Tue Jul-16-13 03:26 PM
if this was 2-3 years ago he probably would have stayed, Dwight said it himself, it would have been a better fit, but now everyone around him in LA is old, meanwhile Houston has a bunch of young hungry talent and no state tax.
2210463, okayplayer.
Posted by thejerseytornado, Tue Jul-16-13 03:32 PM

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.
2210627, RE: okayplayer.
Posted by LBs Finest, Wed Jul-17-13 03:27 AM
"I just really think the timing in L.A., it wasn't right for me," Howard told ESPNLosAngeles.com's Dave McMenamin on Friday. "Maybe two years ago, or 2-3 years from now, it would have been the right time. But I just think right now the timing was off for me. That's not saying that L.A. is a bad place, but I just think it's all about timing and fit when you're talking about basketball."
2210673, and that has nothing to do with who kobe is or how kobe acts
Posted by thejerseytornado, Wed Jul-17-13 09:21 AM
okay, player.

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Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.
2210686, If you believe that I got a bridge to sell you on 59th nm.
Posted by RaFromQueens, Wed Jul-17-13 09:46 AM
2210837, Wait...this is the stupidest thing I've ever read on OKS
Posted by Jayson Willyams, Wed Jul-17-13 03:51 PM
>"Maybe two years ago, or 2-3 years from now, it would
>have been the right time.

HMMMMMM

What's going to be different in LA 2 or 3 years from now?

http://i.imgur.com/9fn7ig4.png

Oh, right. Kobe will be retired. THEN it might be the right time for Dwight Howard, Los Angeles Laker.

Jesus Christ. Dwight basically said "Guys, I don't hate LOS ANGELES, I just don't want to be a Laker until that asshole is gone." And you somehow tried to spin it as...what, exactly? Proof that there's NO proof that no one wants to play with kobe?
2210377, "You got to get talent that's willing to come to the team and accept
Posted by RaFromQueens, Tue Jul-16-13 01:51 PM
that you are not going to get your points that you been getting your career stats is going down and if you don't win and before they blame him they're gonna look at you.

Who wants that?"

(c) Nelly tha Gawd
2210381, Oh, and stan ass Carie Champion's redirect after that?
Posted by RaFromQueens, Tue Jul-16-13 01:53 PM
PRICELESS
2210435, You probably love telling this story
Posted by ErnestLee, Tue Jul-16-13 02:44 PM
Metta
>wanted to help Kobe so bad he approached him in the shower
2210469, that kind of lineup is missing Adam Morrision, Luke Walton
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Tue Jul-16-13 03:44 PM
and Chris Mims. i mean outside of Metta and slightly maybe Fish, nobody on that list would hardly start for even the wackiest of teams.
2210474, Oh you mean GUYS KOBE WON TITLES WITH
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Jul-16-13 03:50 PM
i mean outside of Metta and slightly maybe
>Fish, nobody on that list would hardly start for even the
>wackiest of teams.
2210491, Metta wasn't even the 2nd or 3rd option on those teams
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Tue Jul-16-13 04:30 PM
same with Fish. when Fish was with the warriors and jazz he was coming off the pine.

right situation with the right coach and system in LA LA Land
2210494, Please keep strengthening my point. n/m
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Jul-16-13 04:37 PM
2210497, Nelly right though
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Tue Jul-16-13 04:45 PM
who exactly has Kobe made better?

when has Kobe ever won without a Big in the paint?

when has Kobe ever done anything without Phil Jackson?

the lakers have spoiled that turkey and not made him accountable

it proves my point Phil Jackson knew how to use the right players for the right situation.

Pringles ain't got no clue.

Potatoe Head Brown had the right agenda, just not enough pace and he didn't win over Kobe.

Fish was a good part in LA whereas in other places he ain't even seeing Raja Bell.
2210505, RE: Nelly right though
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Jul-16-13 05:17 PM
>who exactly has Kobe made better?

Pau Gasol (YEP), Smush Parker, Trevor Ariza, Jordan Hill, Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, Andrew Bynum, I could go on...

>when has Kobe ever won without a Big in the paint?

Name a wing player not named Jordan who has. Well, to be honest, everyone has a big in the paint, but I'll assume you meant star.

>when has Kobe ever done anything without Phil Jackson?

When has Jordan? See what a stupid question this is?

>the lakers have spoiled that turkey and not made him
>accountable
>
>it proves my point Phil Jackson knew how to use the right
>players for the right situation.
>
>Pringles ain't got no clue.

No argument there.

>Potatoe Head Brown had the right agenda, just not enough pace
>and he didn't win over Kobe.

They'd have been dumb to side with a coach of Mike Brown's stature over Kobe. They shouldn't have fired him, but that's what it is.

>Fish was a good part in LA whereas in other places he ain't
>even seeing Raja Bell.

I dunno even what that means.
2210508, RE: Nelly right though
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Tue Jul-16-13 05:31 PM
>>who exactly has Kobe made better?
>
>Pau Gasol (YEP), Smush Parker, Trevor Ariza, Jordan Hill,
>Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic, Luke Walton, Lamar Odom, Andrew
>Bynum, I could go on...
>
>>when has Kobe ever won without a Big in the paint?
>
>Name a wing player not named Jordan who has. Well, to be
>honest, everyone has a big in the paint, but I'll assume you
>meant star.
>
>>when has Kobe ever done anything without Phil Jackson?
>
>When has Jordan? See what a stupid question this is?
>
>>the lakers have spoiled that turkey and not made him
>>accountable
>>
>>it proves my point Phil Jackson knew how to use the right
>>players for the right situation.
>>
>>Pringles ain't got no clue.
>
>No argument there.
>
>>Potatoe Head Brown had the right agenda, just not enough
>pace
>>and he didn't win over Kobe.
>
>They'd have been dumb to side with a coach of Mike Brown's
>stature over Kobe. They shouldn't have fired him, but that's
>what it is.
>
>>Fish was a good part in LA whereas in other places he ain't
>>even seeing Raja Bell.
>
>I dunno even what that means.




Pau was seen as the white euro KG. i mean he was an All star before he came to LA. Smush? that is funny at what playing the dozens. Trevor is doing good regardless of Kobe. neither one of those Jordan's are memorable at all.

Sasha been in the witness protection program, he ain't exactly done nothing since he left. luke walton actually came into the L with a nice passing game. however he never got any better.

Bynum is a mental case and its all on him period.

Lamar always had the goods however his mind set is limited. he never wanted to be the first option a would have, could have, type of talent.


now since comedy hour is over none of those turkeys aside from maybe Gasol can stack up to Dwight Howard and you know this.


Isiah Thomas and Dennis Johnson each one a chip without a big name Superstar center. please don't like Bill Lambier and Jack Skima are exactly remembered great low post centers.


Jordan was a better player and Phil didn't leave Jordan because he couldn't deal with him. lets remember kobe done had 5 coaches in the past decade not named phil jackson and he didn't do a thing with any of them not even win a post season round.

Jordan did win a post season round minus Phil jackson has Kobe ever done that? and please don't bring up the bench on the job training era of Kobe 96-99 because you know which era of Kobe in his prime and peak I'm talking about.




the Princeton offense would have been effective, however Kobe don't wanna budge and it costs them daily man
>
2210634, a buncha bums LMAO
Posted by AlBundy, Wed Jul-17-13 03:49 AM
-------------------------
“Floyd Mayweather should be taking fights up to 157 or 160 pounds...His frame can hold the weight..it's not even a lot of weight....Go to the gym and lift weights man..lol.”-- Warren Coolidge
2210956, wow, impressive list of role players and has beens
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Thu Jul-18-13 12:15 AM
2350788, RE: this idea that no one wants to play with Kobe is a complete myth
Posted by bentagain, Mon Jul-14-14 04:09 PM
sticking by that statement?
2350825, lol
Posted by soulfunk, Mon Jul-14-14 05:31 PM
2351681, he's correct. no one wants to play on a tanking team
Posted by Dr Claw, Wed Jul-16-14 01:40 PM
with no young players that can grow with them for at least 2 years and be productive/competitive.

Kobe is part of the reason, but he is not -the- reason

I mean, did people want to play with Cheese Eyes in DC?
2210417, interesting point re: pay cuts
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Jul-16-13 02:23 PM
you look at it, D12 took a hit (kinda sorta) going to Houston, lebron and bosh took modest cuts to sign with miami, etc. tim duncan played for less than $10M last year! dude took a brodeur-esque paycut and then some.

here is kobe, who's made the most money of any player for years, and now with his team gearing up for free agency next summer he says he will not take any cut and will "re-sign for as much money as possible."

so, basically, his greed and egotism will preclude the lakers from actualizing their plans. it won't be the first time!
2210433, I doubt the Lakers are going to break the bank to resign him.
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Jul-16-13 02:42 PM
They can/should have enough for two max slots next summer, and I'd be shocked if they pass on younger stars to re-sign Kobe. He's not in any position to force our hand next summer. If they DO resign him without a significant pay cut while also forgoing signing one or two All Star caliber players, it won't be Kobe's fault, it will be management's fault. Shaq pulled that shit and got shipped out. Kobe should be no different.
2210465, CC doesn't know the first thing about the CBA.
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Jul-16-13 03:37 PM
Don't mind him.

He thinks that Golden State could have signed Dwight outright, that the Lakers were able to lure Chris Paul in Free Agency, etc. Better to just ignore his ignorance of how pay structures work in the 2013 NBA.
2210939, actually dude, i know it very well.
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Wed Jul-17-13 11:44 PM
the last time you made this accusation, you linked some blog and passed it as your own expertise. it didn't discredit what i was saying either. what it came down to was whether or not a texas team would prefer pau to nothing and whether or not a team could be paid modestly to take artest. so, i'm not really sure what i missed about the CBA in that exchange.

the above topic has NOTHING to do with the CBA. he said "i doubt the lakers break the bank for kobe."

does that reconcile neatly with his statement that he will "expect to sign for as much money as possible?"

even if kobe signs for a considerable drop in pay--let's say an even $10M--it would seriously complicate their ability to land two max FAs. that's $19M in salary, then you have to pay the melos or lebrons of the world over $20M each. and $10M would be a third of what he makes now, i imagine he has a higher number in mind although it won't be any $30M figure.


they pretty much need to choose between kobe and the future. that's not a possibility that CT discounted eiter.

that is my point. if that's the case, then they are betting heavily on the right guys (namely LeBron, really) hitting the market.

and PLEASE find me where i said "golden state could sign howard outright." between this and the time you misidentified as some sort of bible thumping gay marriage opponent, i really think you need to fuck off. thanks.
2211109, You sound real upset.
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Jul-19-13 10:46 AM
>the last time you made this accusation, you linked some blog
>and passed it as your own expertise.

No I didn't. I linked to back up what I was saying. Nice try.

it didn't discredit what
>i was saying either. what it came down to was whether or not a
>texas team would prefer pau to nothing and whether or not a
>team could be paid modestly to take artest. so, i'm not really
>sure what i missed about the CBA in that exchange.

It did, but okay.

>they pretty much need to choose between kobe and the future.
>that's not a possibility that CT discounted eiter.

No argument...I've BEEN saying it.

>that is my point. if that's the case, then they are betting
>heavily on the right guys (namely LeBron, really) hitting the
>market.
>
>and PLEASE find me where i said "golden state could sign
>howard outright." between this and the time you misidentified
>as some sort of bible thumping gay marriage opponent, i really
>think you need to fuck off. thanks.


Dope. Here you go:

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2207324&mesg_id=2207324&listing_type=search#2209158

You sound upset bringing up some REAL old shit where I apologized for not remembering it was YOU who'd said that. Like *I* didnt even remember I did that. Did I hurt your feelings?
2211245, How the FUCK does that amount me to saying that GS could have
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-19-13 10:06 PM
signed him outright?

I said "it was wishful thinking (for CT to say he was going to GS in an S+T for Thompson or whomever)."

And also that "I was the first person to say it would be a straight signing."

When I said that, I said it would be with Houston, but regardless of where he went, it would be a straight signing and not a trade. Basically that the Lakers would prefer salary flexibility to assets. Oh, but I am so fucking dumb and don't know about the CBA or economics of basketball, I only called that weeks beforehand when most were thinking about what they could get back in assets or futures.

Regardless of *some* ambiguity (had you, for example, not seen a single thread on the topic), there is really no way to conclude from that post that I suggested D12 would go to GS at all, let alone as a straight signing. If I had made such assertions, why would *I* be bringing them up after D12 had already signed in Houston?

That is just a nonsense interpretation on your part, that's now being made to show that I know "nothing about the CBA." For someone who knows nothing, I had that deal pegged early, along with Smith to the Pistons and Bynum to the Cavs.

I am done fucking with you in any way, shape or form if you're going to think that little of me and make up bullshit to boot. Yes, I do remember when people accuse me of hateful things. If I did that to you, I imagine you'd make a mental note of it.
2211258, All you had to say was "That wasn't what I meant."
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Jul-19-13 10:37 PM
>signed him outright?
>
>I said "it was wishful thinking (for CT to say he was going to
>GS in an S+T for Thompson or whomever)."
>
>And also that "I was the first person to say it would be a
>straight signing."

It was responding to you responding to saying he'd go to GSW. If that's not what you meant, then my mistake.

>When I said that, I said it would be with Houston, but
>regardless of where he went, it would be a straight signing
>and not a trade. Basically that the Lakers would prefer salary
>flexibility to assets. Oh, but I am so fucking dumb and don't
>know about the CBA or economics of basketball, I only called
>that weeks beforehand when most were thinking about what they
>could get back in assets or futures.

Literally everyone knew that, unless it was with GS, the Lakers wouldn't do a S&T. But way to go.

>Regardless of *some* ambiguity (had you, for example, not seen
>a single thread on the topic), there is really no way to
>conclude from that post that I suggested D12 would go to GS at
>all, let alone as a straight signing. If I had made such
>assertions, why would *I* be bringing them up after D12 had
>already signed in Houston?


>That is just a nonsense interpretation on your part, that's
>now being made to show that I know "nothing about the CBA."
>For someone who knows nothing, I had that deal pegged early,
>along with Smith to the Pistons and Bynum to the Cavs.

LOL....okay. You also said Nash could be amnestied and that the Lakers could have signed D12 and Chris Paul (which was only possible if a TON of things went their way, which basically means it was impossible). So uh, miss me with your "calling" those deals.

>
>I am done fucking with you in any way, shape or form if you're
>going to think that little of me and make up bullshit to boot.
>Yes, I do remember when people accuse me of hateful things. If
>I did that to you, I imagine you'd make a mental note of it.

Make up? Yeah I didn't do that. I pointed out where you were wrong, and apparently misunderstood you in one instance. Do yourself a favor and don't get so upset. I mistook you once YEAAAARS ago which I a) acknowledged was a mistake and b) apologized for. So, if you wanna get all angry about it...uh, okay.
2211265, so, basically, in the end, i had one oversight
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-19-13 11:07 PM
that was just that, of course i am aware you cant use two amnesty provisions in one year or anything close to that. stretch/waive leaves them with the diminished hit, sure, but in the grand scheme it was not a deal breaker.

pretty flimsy justification for saying i "know nothing," especially when the question at hand (which we agree on, apparently) was just about what price they should be willing to re-sign kobe at.

not "everyone knew," if you go back to the threads loads of people were talking S+T possibilities, even with houston. it started with some discussion about their interest in lin, asik and whatever, well before the thread you linked.

anyway, i'm not that pissed about it at this point, apologies if i went overboard or whatever. i just don't appreciate that kind of misquoting. i make enough mistakes of my own, i dont really need the stuff i get right held against me too.
2211147, Oh also...
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Jul-19-13 12:21 PM
You said Nash could be amnestied, so...
2210478, kobe ain't even taking less money to play with kobe.
Posted by rob, Tue Jul-16-13 03:55 PM
2210506, http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqc7expd4r1r0mlb9o1_400.gif
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Jul-16-13 05:25 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lqc7expd4r1r0mlb9o1_400.gif
2350873, Kobe slander is so 2007.
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Jul-14-14 07:26 PM
and Dwight Howard ethered himself after he left LA. Kobe looks like fuckin AC Green compared to that dude...
2210340, Don Nelson? Or the band aid has been rapper?
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Jul-16-13 12:58 PM
2210341, the same question led to some hilarious gifs on clutchfans
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Tue Jul-16-13 01:02 PM
2210344, Easy...but that was my first thought too, lol
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jul-16-13 01:09 PM
2210375, I wish it was both & Don had on the Phantom of the Opera mask.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Tue Jul-16-13 01:50 PM
2210345, Y'all hate Kobe so much that ya posting Nelly comments as the gospel?
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Tue Jul-16-13 01:10 PM
2210347, IT WAS THE TRUTH HE SPOKE ONLY THE TRUTH
Posted by RaFromQueens, Tue Jul-16-13 01:11 PM
YOU ARE IGNORING THE TRUTH SPOKEN I REBUKE YOU
2210358, All y'all say I'm disrespectful noo this is disrespectful ..!! So what is MJ?
Posted by RaFromQueens, Tue Jul-16-13 01:28 PM
https://twitter.com/Nelly_Mo/status/357201526600634369

http://t.co/fkNsHieLao
2210365, Oh, so it actually WAS the rapper? I'm confused
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jul-16-13 01:38 PM
2210378, St. Louis Stand upppppppPPP!PP!P!PPppP!PP!!!!!
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Tue Jul-16-13 01:52 PM
2210366, I wish he said this in LA at Club Nokia w/The Roots a couple weeks ago
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Jul-16-13 01:38 PM
This Kobe Rant>>>>>>>>>>>>Flap Your Wings.
2210388, 2 IS NOT A WINNER AND 3 NOBODY REMEMBERS
Posted by dula dibiasi, Tue Jul-16-13 01:59 PM
>https://twitter.com/Nelly_Mo/status/357201526600634369
>
>http://t.co/fkNsHieLao
2210402, ^^^WHAT IT TAKES
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Jul-16-13 02:12 PM
2210409, ^^^NOT KIDDING LIKE JASON
Posted by dula dibiasi, Tue Jul-16-13 02:15 PM
2210425, lol
Posted by Cenario, Tue Jul-16-13 02:32 PM
2210502, He was probably talking about most dominant scorers of all
Posted by NotScared2Ask, Tue Jul-16-13 05:03 PM
But eh
2210954, He has the right guy at No. 1!
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Thu Jul-18-13 12:11 AM
And I do not hold it against ANY player to say that they are the best or are close to the best, especially during their career. Shit Sam Cassell would say he was the greatest, and believing it helped him become the first NBA player from Brodo Asogi.
2462770, dead@Brodo Asogi
Posted by bentagain, Sat Jul-04-15 10:12 AM
2210373, So he's got an album coming out or is he doing the Espy theme again?
Posted by B9, Tue Jul-16-13 01:49 PM
2210376, so, you're saying Dwight is a liar?
Posted by laizquierda, Tue Jul-16-13 01:50 PM
“Was it tough playing with Kobe? Yeah, it was very tough. But playing
along with Kobe didn't have any parts of my decision going to Houston.
I just felt like Houston was a better situation for me and my career.
Me and Kobe, we had our disagreements, we had our moments. Everybody
knows Kobe likes to score and there were times we would get at it
getting the ball. And that happens on a team.”

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22773726/dwight-howard-on-playing-with-kobe-bryant-it-was-very-tough

2210382, Of course wtf is wrong with you
Posted by RaFromQueens, Tue Jul-16-13 01:55 PM
you think he wanted to play with Kobe is this your first year in this country?
2210390, spittin dat hot (in herre) fiya.
Posted by dula dibiasi, Tue Jul-16-13 02:01 PM
2210393, Here's the Vidoe
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Tue Jul-16-13 02:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O1zJci8dL8E#at=103
2210406, MMMMMMM HOT SHIT!!
Posted by RaFromQueens, Tue Jul-16-13 02:14 PM
Street sweeper baby, cocked ready to let it go!!
2210411, ^^^^ HIGH LEVELS OF BARBERSHOP TALK
Posted by Starks dunked on Bulls, Tue Jul-16-13 02:17 PM
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=O1zJci8dL8E#at=103
2210415, absolutely. Stephen A. got out Barbershopped.
Posted by Castro, Tue Jul-16-13 02:19 PM
2211052, LMAOO
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Thu Jul-18-13 08:54 PM
2210436, RE: ^^^^ HIGH LEVELS OF BARBERSHOP TALK
Posted by murph71, Tue Jul-16-13 02:45 PM


Man...this is some real talk....U can't hate on any of this....
2210421, lol them dudes couldn't name who was on orlando's team lol
Posted by Cenario, Tue Jul-16-13 02:29 PM
11 min mark
2211053, He wouldn't let em! "Name Orlando's starting...SEEYOUCANT!!!!"
Posted by -DJ R-Tistic-, Thu Jul-18-13 08:57 PM
2210471, i agree that Kobe won't get 6. that's it though
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Tue Jul-16-13 03:47 PM
2350875, Kobe getting 2 without Shaq is ETERNAL ETHER, though
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Jul-14-14 07:30 PM
MVPau is that dude (but if you want to be truthful it's MVTrevor and MVPeace on #5) but Shaq is forever shielded from criticism, even though he broke up a good thing in Orlando, evidence mounts that -he- was the one mad in LA to this day, and he hopped from team to team looking for rings to match dude.

it's not that he has 5. it's because of those last 2 that are the ether
2210398, St Louisians stay wrapped up with the Lakers? Truth= City Spud?
Posted by B9, Tue Jul-16-13 02:07 PM
2210440, Actually a lot of Laker haters here, most are Heat "fans" right now...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jul-16-13 02:48 PM
since there is no NBA team here most people are pretty bandwagonish
2210401, HE WANT 6!!!! HE WON'T GET IT!!!! (c) Nelly
Posted by Castro, Tue Jul-16-13 02:11 PM
2210431, That was beautiful right there. I was rolling
Posted by Lach, Tue Jul-16-13 02:39 PM
2210434, had me in tears
Posted by Government Name, Tue Jul-16-13 02:43 PM
2210439, It was just good TV, but the fact that it was about Kobe
Posted by Castro, Tue Jul-16-13 02:47 PM
and the reaction to Nelly's shit talking made it great TV
2210407, HA HAAAAA. Wow.
Posted by Castro, Tue Jul-16-13 02:14 PM
2210408, Will watch again.
Posted by Castro, Tue Jul-16-13 02:15 PM
2210419, Not that Kobe is beyond criticism...
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Jul-16-13 02:26 PM
But 1) I don't care who wants to be his friend and 2) HE WANTS 6! HE WONT GET IT! isn't exactly an insult.
2210420, 1 and 2 are not unrelated nm.
Posted by RaFromQueens, Tue Jul-16-13 02:28 PM
2210426, He is 34 years old and nearly 2 decades deep in the league.
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Jul-16-13 02:32 PM
Nobody's hitching their wagons to a guy with one foot out of the league, man.

Again - I don't care who wants to be Kobe's friend. He's proven his worth in the league, and has made bums into good players. End of the day, I think Dwight left because Houston is a better situation. Kobe is part of that, I'm sure, but overall? The future is brighter in Houston. Best of luck to him. If he doesn't wanna be in LA, doesn't want to be a Laker, then peace.
2210424, lmao he called stephen a mr jefferson
Posted by Cenario, Tue Jul-16-13 02:32 PM
2210428, highlight is easily stephen a talking bout tito turtleglue
Posted by Cenario, Tue Jul-16-13 02:35 PM
2210444, nooooooo
Posted by T Reynolds, Tue Jul-16-13 02:54 PM
2210477, LMFAO!!!
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Tue Jul-16-13 03:53 PM
2210495, loooooooooool
Posted by Starks dunked on Bulls, Tue Jul-16-13 04:39 PM
>
2210432, First Take has been good this week
Posted by Lach, Tue Jul-16-13 02:41 PM
Yesterday with Kevin Hart and then this today. Had me rolling.
2210437, That full assault on Kobe was refreshing
Posted by Lach, Tue Jul-16-13 02:46 PM
I haven't seen someone go at Kobe like that outside of OKP in a while
2210448, That's the best part. Someone on ESPN put Kobe in perspective.
Posted by RaFromQueens, Tue Jul-16-13 03:00 PM
It had to be someone not paid for their opinion, but it still happened!!
2210438, Piss on me, shit on me, spit on my grave
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Jul-16-13 02:47 PM
Talk about me, laugh behind my back but in my face
Y'all some well wishin, friendly acting, envy hiding snakes

Yeah... It's fun to see everyone piling on while the end is Nigh.

Won't get 6 is about the funniest insult to levy at an athlete.

HE'LL ONLY HAVE 5 TITLES AND WILL NEVER BE AS GOOD AS THE GOAT AND WILL ONLY BE #2 AT HIS POSITION!!!

LOL

Knock youreselves out with all that shit.

There's no greater example of MAD and HATE than people being THIS excited to see someone go down in flames.

That shit makes sense when it's a player or a team your squad had an intense rivalry with, but otherwise? LOL@that shit.
2210452, Since when is Kobe going down in flames??? He has 5 rings!
Posted by Castro, Tue Jul-16-13 03:03 PM
His legacy is not in question.
2210453, Kobe is the only player...
Posted by murph71, Tue Jul-16-13 03:07 PM


That made me actively root against an entire franchise....Most of the time my dislike for a team has been because of a team's history with my squad (Pistons, Knicks, Indy, Miami)...But usually when I have it out for a player I keep it pretty much on target....

Hell, I dug the Lakers during the Magic years and when Shaq came on board...But when that team was handed over to Bean, that was it for me...lol

Doesn't mean I don't respect Kobe's talent.....Dude is a dog on the court...

But his psycho, weirdo, bad teammate act coupled with his fake image (no need to get into all that) just makes dude easily punchable...
2210490, If that the definition of bitchmade I don't know what is, lol...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jul-16-13 04:30 PM


>Doesn't mean I don't respect Kobe's talent.....Dude is a dog
>on the court...
>
>But his psycho, weirdo, bad teammate act coupled with his fake
>image (no need to get into all that) just makes dude easily
>punchable...

Why do you care so much about that man's "personality" and what he does off the court? You trying to fuck?
2210498, RE: If that the definition of bitchmade I don't know what is, lol...
Posted by murph71, Tue Jul-16-13 04:46 PM
>
>
>>Doesn't mean I don't respect Kobe's talent.....Dude is a dog
>>on the court...
>>
>>But his psycho, weirdo, bad teammate act coupled with his
>fake
>>image (no need to get into all that) just makes dude easily
>>punchable...
>
>Why do you care so much about that man's "personality" and
>what he does off the court? You trying to fuck?


First of all...Chill with that "bitchmade" shit...

I'm a pretty old school guy....I've given passes for athletes who have had drug issues; players that have had personal problems...Served jail time, ect...

The only thing I really care about is how a player interacts with their teammates or just on their team in general...And it's Kobe's "personality" that has caused him to be on that bullshit when it comes to THE TEAM....

I get why Laker fans cheer for Kobe because that's their man...

But if being bitchmade means not being a fan of someone who actually quit on his team and snitched on a ex teammate (who had nothing to do with his own fuck-ups) after getting caught up in some rape shit, my "nigga code" is on red alert...That's beyond "personality"...That's a nigga you don't really want to be around or support, at least where I'm from...

Like I said, Laker fans need not worry about what I think about Kobe...

Do you...And leave the "bitchmade" comments to yourself...

2210557, co-sign
Posted by Johnny, Tue Jul-16-13 08:36 PM

>
>But if being bitchmade means not being a fan of someone who
>actually quit on his team and snitched on a ex teammate (who
>had nothing to do with his own fuck-ups) after getting caught
>up in some rape shit, my "nigga code" is on red alert...That's
>beyond "personality"...That's a nigga you don't really want to
>be around or support, at least where I'm from...
>

say it again
2210582, lol@"nigga code", you're even dumber than I thought
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jul-16-13 10:20 PM
2210637, http://tinyurl.com/cdrqwu3
Posted by AlBundy, Wed Jul-17-13 04:09 AM
http://tinyurl.com/cdrqwu3

-------------------------
“Floyd Mayweather should be taking fights up to 157 or 160 pounds...His frame can hold the weight..it's not even a lot of weight....Go to the gym and lift weights man..lol.”-- Warren Coolidge
2210645, RE: lol@"nigga code", you're even dumber than I thought
Posted by murph71, Wed Jul-17-13 07:41 AM


Nah...it's just my opinion....And again, unless I'm calling u out of your name homie, u can disagree with me without resorting to name calling because you have nothing better else to say....

Oh yeah...fuck u....
2210754, oh so you another one of those internet tough guys, huh?
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Jul-17-13 12:55 PM
2210598, the nigga sued his own Momma.....that nigga is team Kobe ALL DAY!
Posted by liveguy, Tue Jul-16-13 11:13 PM
2210455, Yall serious with this?
Posted by ne_atl, Tue Jul-16-13 03:21 PM
I get it, no real sports on TV and this is all OKPS can come up with.
2210457, lol niggas really tried to hype up a broke down Ray Allen as some star
Posted by LBs Finest, Tue Jul-16-13 03:23 PM
.
2210460, I watched this video with this Affliction shirt wearing Hitler Mustache
Posted by T Reynolds, Tue Jul-16-13 03:28 PM
having twinkly eyed ass bamma thinking bombs would be dropped

Lot of awkward hand gestures, and clapping of hands, zero ether

We got OKS posters talking about Kobe's financial decisions and family life on here, this Nelly shit small potatoes
2210487, Right, if he was talking about any other player 95% of the people here...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jul-16-13 04:25 PM
co-signing would be like "fuck Nelly!", lol
2210462, lost in the TRUTH is the proof that random fans
Posted by thejerseytornado, Tue Jul-16-13 03:32 PM
are better on TV than skip bayless. WHY THE FUCK DOES THAT FUCKFACE HAVE A FUCKING JOB?

-----------
Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.
2210466, Now this I can get behind. n/m
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Jul-16-13 03:37 PM
2210467, skip bayless: uniting Lakers and Celtics fans since he made TV
Posted by thejerseytornado, Tue Jul-16-13 03:40 PM
it's almost impressive, really.

but it isn't.

-----------
Y'all stupid...should've tanked for Lebron/Wiggins in 2014 -Rex LongFellow

It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.
2210510, I'm one of the few who likes Skip. He's entertaining
Posted by Lach, Tue Jul-16-13 05:38 PM
Other people just give opinions that blow in the wind. This dude just mad makes and cracks me up with his lunacy. He's still on TV because a lot of folk feel the same way as him being an entertaining villain. lol
2211257, yeah he has brought the wrestling heel schtick to sports talk
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-19-13 10:33 PM
colin cowherd has a little of that going, too. that said, i kind of hate them both. it doesn't appeal to me.
2210475, Haha.. I'm cookin right now (c) basa
Posted by LAbeathustla, Tue Jul-16-13 03:51 PM
2210480, this is the Best Hit Nelly has had in Years
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Tue Jul-16-13 04:05 PM
this whole take on first take is Platinum plus. he nailed Kobe Proper and its about time.

Nelly set it off like the Ozark and set that set off into a circle.
2210481, I'm mad I missed this
Posted by CherNic, Tue Jul-16-13 04:06 PM
2210489, Good to see real niggas from the Lou aint bandwagon dick ridaz
Posted by LAbeathustla, Tue Jul-16-13 04:26 PM
***finger guns ***

hahaha
2210492, Actually they are, most of them are Heat fans right now
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jul-16-13 04:31 PM
2210500, LOLz
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Tue Jul-16-13 04:57 PM
im a kobe fan so i dont cosign most of nellys bullshit but its fun going at you uncle truth.
2210501, LOLz
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Tue Jul-16-13 04:57 PM
im a kobe fan so i dont cosign most of nellys bullshit but its fun going at you uncle truth.
2210507, I'm Not Even A Kobe Fan
Posted by RexLongfellow, Tue Jul-16-13 05:29 PM
And even though Nelly was talking in circles, and was speaking out on pure hate, shit was pretty funny though
2210514, I thought that was funny coming from LAmeatbeata because...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jul-16-13 05:49 PM
at various times he's been a Clipper, Heat and Rockets fan, he's the poster child for "bandwagon dick ridaz", lol
2210581, htown born n bred baby.....
Posted by LAbeathustla, Tue Jul-16-13 10:17 PM
you already know what it is..
2210583, And you were still on the Clipper and Heat bandwagon playboy...
Posted by ThaTruth, Tue Jul-16-13 10:22 PM
don't even try to act like you weren't, you just started back talking about the Rockets, lol
2210595, I seent it
Posted by T Reynolds, Tue Jul-16-13 11:00 PM
2210596, of course i was down with the clippers i'm IN LA...
Posted by LAbeathustla, Tue Jul-16-13 11:06 PM
but i'm a rocket first and foremost..you mad cuz i aint a faker...
2210608, Mf you could root for the Washington Generals for all I care, lol
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Jul-17-13 12:32 AM
2210610, RE: Mf you could root for the Washington Generals for all I care, lol
Posted by LAbeathustla, Wed Jul-17-13 12:42 AM
i cant tell, nephew
2210654, You're the one that brought up the bandwagon shit genius, don't get...
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Jul-17-13 08:06 AM
mad because I called you out on your on shit, lol
2210503, Y'all ever see the Iverson getting D-League offers episode?
Posted by NotScared2Ask, Tue Jul-16-13 05:09 PM
That shit was funny too
2210513, He wrapped it with 'Kobe is the spoiled child that y'all have created'?
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Jul-16-13 05:49 PM
And he was able to get Stephen A stuttering & Skip shook while out-LOUDING them to get his points out?

Damn, when did Nelly go Gospel Rap on us?

2210516, Kirk Franklin morphed into Nelly on there Are you wit hh ME?
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Tue Jul-16-13 06:02 PM
i laughed and enjoyed it and Props to Nelly, they need to bring him on more often on the truth
2210515, This nigga is full of shit. Yall goofy niggas hypin this bullshit
Posted by Radio Rahim, Tue Jul-16-13 05:52 PM
2210517, Nelly ripped their hearts out from 9:15-9:46
Posted by Swol_Belly, Tue Jul-16-13 06:23 PM
and used them shits like a hacky sack. Them cats was shooked, quiet as fuck. You could hear a fat rat pissin on a cotton ball it was so quiet.
2210593, he was just gonna scream the same biased emotional points
Posted by T Reynolds, Tue Jul-16-13 10:59 PM
over and over again

WHAH DON'T HE WANNA PLAY WITH KOBE

WHAH KOBE UNFOLLOW DWIGHT



2210519, UNIVERSITY CITY HIGH.....STAND UP!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Dstl1, Tue Jul-16-13 06:33 PM
.
2210520, My dude literally became a Baptist preacher @ 9:40
Posted by Dstl1, Tue Jul-16-13 06:41 PM
.
2210528, Nelly Lurks
Posted by bentagain, Tue Jul-16-13 07:01 PM
I feel like we've already said all of this
2210534, who knew Twitter could pull an NBA team apart?
Posted by DunDaDa, Tue Jul-16-13 07:23 PM
2210536, kobe was pulling teams apart before twitter.
Posted by rob, Tue Jul-16-13 07:26 PM
2210543, If u had a seizure from that u may actually have an ailment
Posted by Ceej, Tue Jul-16-13 07:40 PM
2210544, I was entertained.
Posted by FromTheGo, Tue Jul-16-13 07:41 PM
2210553, Tito Hurkaglue. lol
Posted by PimpTrickGangstaClik, Tue Jul-16-13 08:13 PM
Ol girl's laugh just made that so much funnier
2210567, yeah that had me dying.
Posted by Lach, Tue Jul-16-13 09:11 PM
2210647, Rashaaaaard (c) skip
Posted by Cenario, Wed Jul-17-13 07:43 AM
lol at skip not even mentioning the dude he shares a name with smh
2210568, Nelly be here in Georgia hanging with Howard's family btw
Posted by Lach, Tue Jul-16-13 09:15 PM
So I'm pretty sure Kobe was really the reason Howard left. I knew Nelly would get on and go at Kobe. I'm just glad he did it. lol. That was too entertaining.
2210575, If he really left over Kobe, he's insecure as fuck.
Posted by Ryan M, Tue Jul-16-13 09:42 PM
Seriously.

This is a team that is telling him THIS IS YOUR TEAM...KOBE IS HANDING IT TO YOU. You get an extra $30 mil and you get to play in LA.

And you leave because you don't like a guy?

Insecure. Especially since they likely won't bring Kobe back after next year if he's really shot.
2210599, naw...
Posted by liveguy, Tue Jul-16-13 11:25 PM
He left because...

- 28 years old
- Kobe getting older and bad injury
- team is heading towards rebuilding
- ownership is terrible and moving in the wrong direction
- rebuilding with Mitch will take 4-5 years..
- Kobe says he got 3-4 left in him
- Kobe earned the leader mantle....
- Dwight is 28 years old (keep this in mind)
- Once Kobe does leave....the rebuild will begin officially (see rebuilding time frame)
- Dwight will be 35 by the time the Lakers are "back"
- purple/gold colored fair-weather fans on that bullshit

Why the fuck would he wanna stay with all of that^????

He can leave and RIGHT NOW TODAY play with the soon to be (if not already) best SG in the league AND...AND the WHOLE GOT DAMB TEAM is like 27 and younger.

D Morey WILL get the players.....just do your job.

Less stress.....young team....everyone is cool and aint no bs with your teammates.

I mean.......if he left for any reason....it wasn't cause he was soft or pussy.

The nigga just didn't wanna deal with the bullshit buying the company line while he steadily gets older....

And with the NEW regime in regard to ownership???

FUUUUUCK NO!

Jump ship NOW dawg.....you'll come out better, fam!

Trust.
2210606, Oh, then you agree with me. That's too much for me to read past that.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Jul-17-13 12:20 AM
2210609, LMAO..nice try BUT....unless Kobe retires....we know who's team it is
Posted by liveguy, Wed Jul-17-13 12:41 AM
Dwight didnt wanna play WITH Kobe.

Regardless of who's team it is....the nigga does not like Kobe.

He prolly HATES that nigga.....

That aint got shit to do with levels of self esteem or insecurity.....he does NOT like that nigga and playing with LA's golden child and if ANYTHING goes wrong....you're the whipping boy when shit falls apart like Kobe's achilles and y'all dont get a chip? lol

FOH!!!

Immo go get this money with a younger, BETTER core with a chance to get it NOW instead of 8 years from now!

Niiiiiiguh.......

(you already know......cut it out)
2210615, Right so again, you agree with me and I'm not reading all this.
Posted by Ryan M, Wed Jul-17-13 12:52 AM
>Dwight didnt wanna play WITH Kobe.
>
>Regardless of who's team it is....the nigga does not like
>Kobe.
>
>He prolly HATES that nigga.....
>
>That aint got shit to do with levels of self esteem or
>insecurity.....he does NOT like that nigga and playing with
>LA's golden child and if ANYTHING goes wrong....you're the
>whipping boy when shit falls apart like Kobe's achilles and
>y'all dont get a chip? lol
>
>FOH!!!
>
>Immo go get this money with a younger, BETTER core with a
>chance to get it NOW instead of 8 years from now!
>
>Niiiiiiguh.......
>
>(you already know......cut it out)
2210618, Dwight don't like Kobe for being a bad rapper
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jul-17-13 12:58 AM

----------------------------



O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
2210605, Nah, Kobe is a ball hoggedy
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jul-17-13 12:14 AM

Das why he left
2210684, http://tinyurl.com/whydwightleft
Posted by RaFromQueens, Wed Jul-17-13 09:45 AM
>This is a team that is telling him THIS IS YOUR TEAM...KOBE IS
>HANDING IT TO YOU. You get an extra $30 mil and you get to
>play in LA.

http://tinyurl.com/whydwightleft
2210590, LOL @ this bamma knowing how many people Kobe follows on Twitter
Posted by T Reynolds, Tue Jul-16-13 10:50 PM
"Was that not waaack?"

Goddamn this is TERRRRIIIIIBBBBBBBBBELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEE
2210591, Oh shit he did the lil bow wow hands at 13:13?
Posted by T Reynolds, Tue Jul-16-13 10:54 PM
why is this loud country motherfucker screaming in my ear getting sassy?
2210635, liveguy IN HERE PUTTIN THEM 5TH WARD Bs ON NEM
Posted by LAbeathustla, Wed Jul-17-13 03:56 AM
LMAO!!


these niggas hot!!!
2210658, Ken Jeong's turn
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Wed Jul-17-13 08:30 AM
not as animated as Nelly but I didn't know he knew sports like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=eyMKUDbhwuI#at=108
2210693, that was a good interview
Posted by Castro, Wed Jul-17-13 10:05 AM
2210910, that joker a licensed physician too??
Posted by liveguy, Wed Jul-17-13 09:39 PM
got damb!

That dude cannot lose! hahahaha
2350879, dammit. he has the best politically-incorrect phrase on TV
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Jul-14-14 07:35 PM
2210661, Business as usual on OKP. Anything negative about Kobe must be true lol
Posted by LA2Philly, Wed Jul-17-13 08:45 AM
2210670, would be time better spent nitpicking players with < 5 rings
Posted by soundsop, Wed Jul-17-13 09:17 AM
but less successful players don't inspire the same vitriol i suppose

people hate when you better than them, they ain't hatin start worrying then

lolnellylol
2210671, Mike Brown > Pringles
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jul-17-13 09:19 AM

Please discuss

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
2210674, We hate pringles.
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Jul-17-13 09:21 AM
Please...

Discuss.
2210688, we never ever liked fucking D'Antoni for the Lakers
Posted by T Reynolds, Wed Jul-17-13 09:48 AM
2210687, nope, pringles gets a bad rap but lakers fans agree it wasn't his fault
Posted by soundsop, Wed Jul-17-13 09:47 AM
he did the best he could...

...

... psyche psyche psyche psyche

we all hate that dude. probably more than you do, because he's fucking up our team. and literally nobody was happy he was hired. the threads still exist
2210690, "The best he could" is exactly the problem
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jul-17-13 09:50 AM

That isn't actually very good

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O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
2210691, you need to hang out with more white people
Posted by soundsop, Wed Jul-17-13 10:01 AM
"psyche" means that the preceding statement was a joke, and the speaker believes the opposite

use of the term is coded in our dna in the place where you have melanin producing genes
2210692, white people did not invent "Sike" dude
Posted by T Reynolds, Wed Jul-17-13 10:04 AM
2210695, right, lol
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Jul-17-13 10:06 AM
2210703, ah, "sike" is a much clearer spelling
Posted by soundsop, Wed Jul-17-13 10:28 AM
so the term was invented by original man, and placed in our dna by yacub?

much like "phat" i suppose
2210705, lol
Posted by T Reynolds, Wed Jul-17-13 10:32 AM
2210708, Your explanation was "tight polite" (c) Shell Diggah
Posted by Orbit_Established, Wed Jul-17-13 10:42 AM

----------------------------



O_E: "Acts like an asshole and posts with imperial disdain"




"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "
2210707, invention and prominent usage are two different things
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Jul-17-13 10:40 AM
2210694, OKP gonna miss Kobe n/m
Posted by likwit_crew, Wed Jul-17-13 10:05 AM
2210697, I will cry more than Kobestanis when he retires.
Posted by RaFromQueens, Wed Jul-17-13 10:10 AM
It will never be the same...
2210710, Screw OKP, imagine Laker-nation post-Kobe. Jonestown shit coming.
Posted by B9, Wed Jul-17-13 10:52 AM
ESPECIALLY if Lebron ends up there. I'm going to party.
2210753, huh?
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Jul-17-13 12:53 PM
>ESPECIALLY if Lebron ends up there. I'm going to party.
2210760, I've already got a narrative on deck. PEEP GAME.
Posted by Kira, Wed Jul-17-13 01:07 PM
Lebronon joins the greatest franchise in sports history in order to solidify his place amongst the all time greats. Big Boss passes the torch to young Snake. He improves upon Bron's game and adds new dimensions to his game. Lebron feels the love from a nation of powerful supportive fans versus the nation of come snorting vagrants that call themselves Heat fans. Kobe gets to pass the torch, holla at 6, and remind the world that played for one team his whole career. Meanwhile, DHo at home crying.
2210822, So if Kobe sticks around for the minimum, it's NOT "ring chasing"?
Posted by B9, Wed Jul-17-13 03:09 PM
oh boy, the backsliding of laker nation is going to be fantastic.
2210870, Bron and/or Melo will have joined Kobe.
Posted by Kira, Wed Jul-17-13 06:02 PM
>oh boy, the backsliding of laker nation is going to be
>fantastic.

Therefore, it's not ring chasing if you spend 20 years with the same team. He's passing the torch because he's still a leader. Ray Allen chased a ring.
2210957, cool story bro, $1000 says nothing like that happens
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Thu Jul-18-13 12:15 AM
nm
2210965, Your post was better before the edit.
Posted by Kira, Thu Jul-18-13 12:41 AM
2211057, Yeah.....he gonna pass on the Lakers
Posted by liveguy, Thu Jul-18-13 10:27 PM
Goes back to Cleveland to mend that wound on his image only now they have a team set up...they they have been setting up for him since he's been gone.

All you gotta do is plop him in and they INSTANT contenders.

Young as hell ready to be lead by Bron.

He goes back, he is literally the Jesus of basketball.

Even non-Cavs fans will CRAZILY respect the move.

He wont be going to LA to help Kobe TIE MJ's record that LBJ himself is chasing as well.

Not happnin.

Melo will prolly go, tho...

Good luck.

Better tank and hope to get Wiggins.....otherwise.....LA about to become a Clipper town.

Fitting.
2211247, lmao nah he is not going back to cleveland either
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-19-13 10:11 PM
2350832, I called that one....and the Cavs got Wiggins too?! DAMN!!!
Posted by liveguy, Mon Jul-14-14 05:58 PM
LA still losing. lol
2211266, dont recall what it said, you putting up $ or not?
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-19-13 11:08 PM
2210774, Paul George expresses his desire to play with Kobe
Posted by LBs Finest, Wed Jul-17-13 01:35 PM
“My heart is still in Indiana,” the 23-year-old said “… I’m still a Pacer, and hopefully I remain a Pacer. I’m happy where I’m at.”
George said that him hypothetically joining the Lakers would certainly be a “family-favorite team.”
“Of course it would be tough (to say no to Kobe). You’re talking about playing home.”
2210839, You're coming off as a crazy person in this post.
Posted by Jayson Willyams, Wed Jul-17-13 03:57 PM
Did you add that parenthetical yourself?
2210953, it was in there but it was there as part of the question, really
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Thu Jul-18-13 12:05 AM
this is a common move and a lot of times it is not disingenuous, but let's say i ask pau gasol: "Hey Pau, do you feel comfortable reuniting with Spanish national teammate Jose Calderon?"

And Pau says, "For sure, it feels wonderful to be back playing with him from that team."

Well, should I be desperate enough to use that junky quote, I'd have to clean it up and put in parts of the question to clarify his answer.

So, most likely, the Pacers blogger asked him if it would be tough to say no to playing with Kobe. He gave an answer with pronouns, like a normal human being in a conversation would, and it had to be adapted for clarity in print.

I hope that made sense.

Anyway, no, LB didn't add it, seemed like a reasonable enough swipe to me.
2210989, Seems to me his whole response was based on being an LA native.
Posted by Jayson Willyams, Thu Jul-18-13 10:26 AM
Nah, I got that, but the fact that dude came in here armed with nothing more than THAT quote and thought it made his case for him is comedy.

George said his family would want him to play in LA--you know, because that's where his family lives.

If the question was framed as "What if Kobe and the Lakers wanted to bring you home to LA?", he basically answered it with "It would be hard to say no to that--I mean, you're talking about playing in your hometown. Who wouldn't want to do that?"

If someone wants to take that quote and wave it around like "SEE? SEE? STARS WANT TO PLAY WITH A 39-YEAR-OLD KOBE!" then that's his prerogative...but it's not the way a reasonably person would interpret the quote.
2211249, you got it pegged perfectly, no sense discussing further
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Fri Jul-19-13 10:18 PM
2210841, wow.
Posted by tariqhu, Wed Jul-17-13 04:05 PM
lots of garbage in that interview lol.
2210854, Holly Robinson Peete makes lesbian comment on First Take today
Posted by Lach, Wed Jul-17-13 04:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ihGsj0c56b0
2210863, damn, she still looks good n/m
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Jul-17-13 05:28 PM
2210865, I'm sayin. And she's almost 50. She's a winner
Posted by Lach, Wed Jul-17-13 05:37 PM
2210869, Philly Girl, Santa Monica Resident, Trojan Fan, Still Fly Approaching 50
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Jul-17-13 05:49 PM
what's not to love?
2210942, not 100% sure why that's offensive, all-girls school, comedic actress
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Wed Jul-17-13 11:49 PM
that's pushing it a little bit to apologize on her behalf before anyone can even express any concern.
2210896, We still didnt discuss the new Kobe nike ad?
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Wed Jul-17-13 08:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TXXeONnzs0

Its decent but that melodramatic song always makes clips better. Some of the clips didnt really line up with what was being said in the text to me - but overall still a solid ad.

2210944, gatdamn, is it an ad or a short film?
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Wed Jul-17-13 11:50 PM
2211048, NELLY DA GAWD
Posted by RaFromQueens, Thu Jul-18-13 07:38 PM
https://twitter.com/Nelly_Mo/status/358022725169725442

2001 NBA Finals

Shaq- 33 PPG, 16 RPG, 5 APG, 3.5 BPG, 63/110 57% FG
Kobe- 24 PPG, 8 RPG, 6 APG, 1.4 BPG, 44/106 41% FG - terrible FG%
2211060, Name five players that wouldn't score less than Shaq in 2001 NBA Finals
Posted by Kira, Fri Jul-19-13 12:10 AM
I'll wait.
2211082, NOPE! HE ONLY PUT UP 24, 8, & 6 IN THE FINALS AT AGE 22
Posted by soundsop, Fri Jul-19-13 08:35 AM
WHAT AN EMBARRASSMENT!

I GUESS HE SHOULD HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB GUARDING SHAQ THAT SERIES
2211067, lol this nigga talked in circles whining about random mealy
Posted by El_essence, Fri Jul-19-13 01:07 AM
mouthed bullshit.

Here are the gems

- He said nobody wants to play with Kobe and used the random role players that went to play with Lebron in Miami as evidence.

- implied Kobe ran Artest out when the nigga got amnestied.

- used Pau's numbers going down as proof he doesn't make anybody better. Yet, Bosh ain't had a 20 and 10 season since he came over.

- asked why don't kobe take a pay cut. Beyond the fact that the lakers would have to extend his contract, no player is turning down 30 million dollars. Especially one that brought you 5 rings and brings the fans to the arena.

- When asked about this year's playoff sweep with Dwight, the nigga said, "Where was kobe???" like kobe showed a lack of leadership blowing out his Achilles lololol.

the funny part is with the subliminal saying shit without saying it at the end, all Nelly did was make Dwight look less like a guy making a smart basketball decision and more like the bitchmade passive aggressive pussyclaude he came to LA looking like.

2211142, if thats how y'all view him....y'all should be glad he bounced.
Posted by liveguy, Fri Jul-19-13 12:05 PM
>the funny part is with the subliminal saying shit without Dwight look lesslike a guy making a smart basketball decision
>and more like the bitchmade passive aggressive pussyclaude he came to LA looking like.

If y'all dislike the nigga ^^^this much, why do y'all even care that he left?

Y'all should be HELLA happy you got that cancer off your team!!!!

Seems like a lot of energy being spent on a worthless, passive aggressive, sack of isht player that wasn't a real Laker and didn't deserve the privilege of playing under Kobe's thumb.

I sense mad.....
2211143, You really havent been paying attention, have you? n/m
Posted by Ryan M, Fri Jul-19-13 12:07 PM
2211151, Not much to pay attention to...
Posted by liveguy, Fri Jul-19-13 12:28 PM
Dwight left....LA niggas is mad.

Was there something more to it than that?
2211155, nope. I don't hate the guy. I just think these mealy mouthed contradictory
Posted by El_essence, Fri Jul-19-13 12:40 PM
reasons Nelly is given don't make Dwight look good at all. It would've been cool to have him. But him leaving for a team that has a higher chance to win now makes sense. Having his homey dropping subliminals about Kobe (or anything other than what he's officially said) being the reason he left looks bitchmade. Regardless, it was the best decision for all involved. We weren't going to win next year with or without him and in 2 years, LA would have roasted him (fairly or unfairly). Tis what it is.

But my comment was about Nelly really. Dwight is mentioned because the thread seems to be making Nelly's inconsistent mad rant out to be something Dwight thinks. If that's true then yeah.
2211442, *Southwest ding*
Posted by DunDaDa, Sun Jul-21-13 10:57 AM
>Having his
>homey dropping subliminals about Kobe (or anything other than
>what he's officially said) being the reason he left looks
>bitchmade.

the fact that Nelly is doing PR for D12 on ESPN is suspect
2350878, I will never understand this widespread Kobe hate
Posted by Dr Claw, Mon Jul-14-14 07:35 PM
I get it if you're a fan of a Western team or you hate the Yankee'd up Lakers of the late '90s/early '00s

but this shit NOW?

I feel like Vex when people slander Kang, Not Liu reading some of this shit.

all this dude did was put his own spin on the work of Colby Jack Flash and mostly succeeded.

he has occasional runs of saying and/or doing dumbshit. many athletes do.


it smacks of Smart-Dumb (Fill In The Blank) Bullshit.

2351133, simple point/counterpoint my man, nothing more
Posted by bentagain, Tue Jul-15-14 12:23 PM
most logical people have Bean as the #2 2 guard

nobody's debating what he's DONE

with that being said, Nelly did say some of the things that alot of people were thinking

and this was 7/13, a full calendar year ago

today, based on what has transpired since

there really isn't an argument

although Kobestan will keep trying

not only does nobody WANT to play with him (ehh, they could still get a pup like Love though)

but nobody even wants to coach him

.
2351156, that the Lakers current woes are Kobe-centric is pure agenda.
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Jul-15-14 12:46 PM
the clock was ticking on the Kobe/Pau Connection, so Feel Jackson left. Lakers had issues adding on to that.

they hired Mike Brown. Which, I wouldn't have done if I were the Lakers FO, unless I had some kind of oddball agenda. he's a good coach if you're talking about NBA pre-2009, when Euroball started taking over in various ways. now that it's all about spacing, ball movement and reduced big influence? Mike Brown, who is mostly defensive, is not your best choice. this was proven last season in CLE, in his second tour.

somehow Dwight Howard came over there anyway. He (and Steve Nash, for whichever reason) came to a team that eventually found 'Postrophe as its coach. Kobe got hurt, Dwight sucked, Nash never found his footing, and Kobe among others couldn't stay healthy.

they tried it again last year. Team couldn't stay healthy, various D-Leaguers started and the team entered the lottery. 'Postrophe got fired.

Lakers are still without a coach. Now granted, brand notwithstanding, do you think any marquee FAs want to come to that situation? Kobe may not be reliable healthwise. so you basically got Randle and the D-League, no coach. Where does Kobe factor in besides his absence?

if we're talking that contract, the Lakers need to hasten their rebuild and stockpile assets now as they go into 2016, the next big FA period. Kobe cashing in on his worth to the franchise (let it be known: beloved franchise players instantly raise the stock of a team, just look at CLE right today) suddenly doesn't seem so much a point at which to laugh at The Elite Scrubby-Ass Gunner, as much as padding his exit from the league.

"nobody wants to play with/coach Kobe (b/c Kobe is anti-social, etc)" is myth. the Lakers found takers for years. the problem is, the Lakers just got old, crashed and burned and they can't find someone to drive the tank. this happens.
2351174, RE: the Lakers just got old
Posted by bentagain, Tue Jul-15-14 01:10 PM
you're spinning to the 16' FA market, was already spun for this year's FA market by LALstans

at least you sound more reasonable in projecting 2 years from now

instead of...the mighty cloaked will rebuild and be back before your very eyes...abracadabra (c)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoMBlywH1UI&feature=kp

the Lakers got old?

they only had 2 players under contract going into FA this year

and enough cap space to sign whoever THEY wanted

I also find LALstans take on D12 hilarisad

I'm not even really sure what the beef is there?

I also find an interesting contrast in Pau's LAL career

when he was balling, Kobe was singing the Spainard's praises

when he was struggling, but playing through his own injuries

it was time to put on your big boy pants, I believe was the quote

and now he's unceremoniously departed, but as evident by Kobe's contract, the LAL's are loyal and take care of their players?

through all of the transistions (as you listed above)

one thing has remained constant

is it really a 'myth' to contribute the LAL's recent doldrums to that constant that remains?

really?
2351182, yes. myth AND agenda.
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Jul-15-14 01:25 PM
because there is no proof that -Kobe- was the reason.

the Lakers were not getting any better after those last two seasons of debacle. Kobe's on borrowed time. The Bulls are actually a good team in need of some help. an "old" Pau >>>>>>>>> Boozer.

if you remove Kobe from the equation, the Lakers are still bad. Bulls are good. this is the same logic that people use(d) w/Melo and the Knicks. adding Kobe's contract to the situation complicates matters. the two most coveted FAs this offseason elected to go elsewhere for reasons not involving Kobe. so what were the Lakers to do?
2351206, I wonder what Nelly's agenda could be...
Posted by bentagain, Tue Jul-15-14 01:56 PM
...do you think he's still mad about the St. Louis Spirit being left out of the merger?

http://www.nba.com/freeagents/2014/

there are other players out there, after Bron and Melo
2351240, I have no idea. I'm guessing he dislikes Kobe
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Jul-15-14 02:38 PM
and he's going to run with the "narrative" about him.

but the Lakers were specifically looking for Bron and/or Melo; high-tier players younger than Kobe that they have a history of attracting.

anyone else available isn't going to be a "building piece" that replaces Kobe, even Kevin Love (that's what they're after). Which is why I think they went harder at Melo than they did anyone else. A Carmelo/Kevin Love combo would have worked greatly for them. The Kobe contract would have complicated that, but the Lakers really didn't have a lot of highly-paid players left on that squad otherwise.

2351168, RE: I will never understand this widespread Kobe hate
Posted by murph71, Tue Jul-15-14 01:01 PM


Too many points to list, Doc....

2351170, the last sentence is the crux of it though
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Jul-15-14 01:03 PM
so what if Laker fans overrate dude? people desperately want to blame him for no one coming to the Lakers. that simply isn't true.

The Lakers are crap now, and the signs were there before Kobe signed that contract. Pau went to a team that is superior right today. why is that so weird?
2351237, It's simple Doc: people tend to pile on when they dislike something/one
Posted by LA2Philly, Tue Jul-15-14 02:28 PM
Emotions lead to selective attention, amongst a whole slew of other things. People are going to find anything to support their pre-conceived notions, while ignoring anything that creates dissonance (as you mentioned, there are numerous examples of players coming to play in LA *when* the team was contending).

Funniest part to me is that a lot of these dudes follow teams that have been consistently mediocre and put themselves in that position by shelling out long contracts to mid-tier players creating a perpetual cycle of mediocrity. When the Lakers refuse to do that by not making any inflated offers to mid-tier players and instead abide their time in order to get superstars, it's suddenly Kobe's fault and the team is in dissaray. Lol. Management has certainly made some mistakes (Mike Brown over Adelman, D'Antoni, Kobe's contract) but this off-season isn't one of them.
2351648, Kind of a circular argument, no?
Posted by bentagain, Wed Jul-16-14 12:13 PM
"Funniest part to me is that a lot of these dudes follow teams that have been consistently mediocre and put themselves in that position by shelling out long contracts to mid-tier players creating a perpetual cycle of mediocrity. When the Lakers refuse to do that by not making any inflated offers to mid-tier players and instead abide their time in order to get superstars, it's suddenly Kobe's fault and the team is in dissaray. Lol. Management has certainly made some mistakes (Mike Brown over Adelman, D'Antoni, Kobe's contract) but this off-season isn't one of them."

The LAL have NEVER HAD TO even consider that

THEY'VE ALWAYS gotten whomever THEY wanted

let's not mix words

THEY WANTED MELO

and didn't get him

the fact that the LAL even have to consider signing lesser talent

JUST TO FILL A ROSTER

IS WHAT WE'RE F'N TALKING ABOUT HERE SON!

Please explain to me what is so different this offseason

that the LAL can't sign anybody?

no coach, 1 other player signed, and copious amounts of cap space

and they get nada

nice try throwing shade at other fanbases

as if we have somehow been unable to see the LAL attract big names annually

isn't suggesting Kobe is the reason just the simplest explanation

being that only he and Nash were even under contract when FA began?

players and coaches are choosing to go elsewhere

pretty evident, IMO


2351696, Um, you just made the point for me lol
Posted by LA2Philly, Wed Jul-16-14 02:06 PM
What's so different about this off-season: Hmm, let's see. There's no coach, only two players under contract (a 39 year old PG who may only play 20 or so games and a 36 year old coming off Achilles surgery and a broken leg) signed, and a strong perception of weak ownership with Dr. Buss gone....how is that an attractive place for a superstar who wants to win now?

Yet you're blaming Kobe, and then acting like he's the reason other players didn't want to sign (as you said above, "there are other players besides Melo and Bron") when the team hasn't even offered them contracts!...as I said the team doesn't want to invest in mid-tier players that have you ending up in perpetual mediocrity. Something you should understand personally as a 76ers fan.

What variable has changed between the past and present for the Lakers? Contending for a championship, that's the simplest explanation yet you're so pressed to blame Kobe. My point stands even more clearly now, thanks.
2350884, Ahhh I remember this day. I should buy some Nelly albums nm.
Posted by RaFromQueens, Mon Jul-14-14 07:44 PM
2351482, st. louis ain't even got a basketball team...lol
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Wed Jul-16-14 12:19 AM
bout to lose they football team back to LA...

smh..


cat's catching the holy ghost behind wack ass nelly throwing shade at kobe...

smh..

y'all got problems..

you might as well have posted "I just got a hard on listening to what Leonard Nemoy said about Stoney Jackson"....

lol....

2351854, 0 for 4...Report: Lakers Extended Dirk Nowitzki Max Contract Offer
Posted by bentagain, Wed Jul-16-14 05:04 PM
http://lasportshub.com/2014/07/15/report-lakers-extended-dirk-nowitzki-max-contract-offer/?utm_source=FanSided&utm_medium=Network&utm_campaign=Around%20the%20Network

Not only did the Lakers extend max contract offers to LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony, and Chris Bosh, they apparently also offered the same deal to Dallas Mavericks forward Dirk Nowitzki.

According to ESPN’s Marc Stein, the Lakers and the Houston Rockets offered Nowitzki a max contract; however, he rebuffed both teams and has signed a 3-year, $25M deal to stay in Dallas.

The Lakers certainly have never been scared to throw big money at superstar caliber players, even at the latter stages of their careers. It’s worth our time to recognize that Mitch Kupchak and the Lakers front office made an attempt to lure the biggest names in free agency to Los Angeles. However, something is clearly missing in Lakerland.

It was unlikely that Dirk was ever going to leave Dallas, especially because of the bond between Nowitzki and Mavericks owner Mark Cuban. However, this 3-yr, $25M deal is about $5M less than Dirk was expected to sign earlier in the summer. In essence, this is a sweetheart deal for the Mavericks.

Nowitzki could have commanded, and was offered, about 4-years and upwards of $80M on the open market. However, he has played with the Mavericks for his entire career and instead chose to gift the franchise more cap space, a la Tim Duncan.
2351861, Meanwhile, everyone else struck out too.
Posted by Cold Truth, Wed Jul-16-14 05:17 PM
Every team with space pretty much tried their hand at everyone available.

Brawn went home and nobody but Miami was a player.

Bosh stayed in Miami for more money than he could get elsewhere+more than he’s worth, by a LOT.

Melo stayed home for more money than he could get elsewhere.

Dirk stayed in Dallas, took less, and has a better overall situation than he’d have for the Lakers. Nobody seriously thought Dirk was going anywhere for any reason.

It’s funny that you guys are so intent on pushing this “nobody wants to be a Laker and/or play with Kobe” agenda, considering Dwight+Harden+No state taxes didn’t lure a soul to Houston except for Ariza, and their getting him by overpaying him once again after a contract year.

Not wanting to play for a rebuilding Lakers team and an old Kobe coming off an injury isn’t anywhere near as bad as nobody wanting to play for a contending Rockets team with Dwight, Harden, and (would have) Parsons, and yet you choose to discuss teams forgoing the rebuilding Lakers with the fading star.

Further, Melo, Bosh, Wade, and Dirk ALL stayed put! That means they spurned EVERYONE ELSE. Literally everyone else got told no. Brawn went back to his hometown. That means he literally told everyone else no.
So, please explain why it’s so significant that the Lakers, a team with an overall less attractive set of current circumstances got turned down when everyone else got turned down too?

These are facts.
2354226, NELLY BACK
Posted by Chanson, Thu Jul-24-14 10:15 AM
He's going in on Mamba again!
2354229, But is he going in on the fact that nobody wanted to play with Dwight?
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Jul-24-14 10:26 AM
and Harden? In their prime?

Is he "going in" on the fact that between roster restraints, managment /coaching uncertainty and Kobe being old and coming off significant injury, the Lakers as a whole aren't the most attractive option?

If his only point is that if Kobe was so determined to win above all else, he should have followed Duncan's lead and taken a much more significant pay cut, I have no problem.

If he's doing anything more than that, ignoring the overall state of the Lakers that ISN'T on Kobe and NOT firing away at Dwight, Harden, Morey's supposed genius, and the probable contract match of Parsons as a nice 4th man while all four players get a nice window in the prime of their careers on a stacked team in a state with no state tax, well..... he's just not keeping it 100.
2354238, the more it goes on, the more I think Harden/OKC effed up
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Jul-24-14 10:37 AM
maybe that's the logic people are using in the Wiggy Dogg trade talks
but I liked that trio, even if it was the all "eff some defense" squad

>If his only point is that if Kobe was so determined to win
>above all else, he should have followed Duncan's lead and
>taken a much more significant pay cut, I have no problem.
>
>If he's doing anything more than that, ignoring the overall
>state of the Lakers that ISN'T on Kobe and NOT firing away at
>Dwight, Harden, Morey's supposed genius, and the probable
>contract match of Parsons as a nice 4th man while all four
>players get a nice window in the prime of their careers on a
>stacked team in a state with no state tax, well..... he's just
>not keeping it 100.

and as a person who renewed his Kobestan citizenship despite current events I agree here.

Kobe could have taken that pay cut, but...

you look at the Lakers right now outside of Kobe and you realize "Kobe" might be the only thing that puts butts in the seats, and that time is limited. Dwight should be getting fried (on multiple fronts).

2354284, also: http://i.imgur.com/lSPQqQV.jpg
Posted by Dr Claw, Thu Jul-24-14 12:21 PM
http://i.imgur.com/lSPQqQV.jpg
2354289, is nelly a rockets fan or something?
Posted by southphillyman, Thu Jul-24-14 12:37 PM
rockets took a bigger L than the lakers this offseason obs
but what does that have to do with criticism ppl are laying on the lakers or kobe?
2354298, A lot. It provides so much context that it invalidates criticism of Kobe
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Jul-24-14 01:02 PM
and the Lakers.

It's absurd to make a federal case out of "NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY WITH KOBE/LAKERS!" when Kobe's old and returning from injury, the front office appears to be unstable, there's limited roster building ability, etc. No shit, it's not the most attractive situation.

When you add in the fact that Brawn really only had two destinations from jump, Melo and Bosh both took the money to stay home along with lesser FA's like Lowry and Dirk while the remaining FA's of note were restricted (Bledsoe, Monroe), or overpaid (Parsons), it suddenly becomes apparent that the issue had absolutely ZERO to do with Kobe or the Lakers or L.A.

Everyone stayed home. Literally every noteworthy FA stayed home with their teams, minus Lebron, WHO WENT HOME!!!! Dirk took less money to stay on a team that had Monte coming into his prime, signed a solid third wheel in Parsons, and was able to assemble a nice overall guard corps.

It's idiotic to act like OMG NOBODY WANTS TO PLAY WITH KOBE OR THE LAKERS!!!! When everyone struck out on every free agent who wasn't their own except for Cleveland, and that had jack shit to do with the Cavs FO and everything to do with Brawn simply wanting to return home.

Since everyone else struck out, it's of zero significance that the Lakers did also, ESPECIALLY when you consider that Houston had money, tradeable assets, and two all stars in the prime of their careers, one of which is a defensively dominant center.

Basically, all of that adds up to a complete non-story when we're arguing about who does or doesn't want to play with who. Even factoring the loss of Pau, he had an opportunity to join a Bulls team that made the playoffs without Derrick Rose and just added a lottery who's already turning heads. It's a no-brainer for anyone to head to a team with a legit title shot after the Heatles broke up.
2354303, RE: is nelly a rockets fan or something?
Posted by murph71, Thu Jul-24-14 01:22 PM


Nah...Just calling it like HE sees it...
2354304, Yeah, but he's wrong and ignoring a shit ton of context.
Posted by Cold Truth, Thu Jul-24-14 01:27 PM
You can call it how you see it and have an opinion, but when those opinions blatantly ignore facts that shows your opinion to be incorrect, your opinion is wrong.

2380846, Nelly actually has a small ownership stake with Charlotte, but he's also...
Posted by ThaTruth, Wed Oct-22-14 08:20 AM
tight with A.I., so that might be were a lot of his anti-Kobe opinions come from, lol
2380429, TIMES A CHANGIN!! THEY TALKIN BOUT IT NOW
Posted by RaFromQueens, Tue Oct-21-14 11:26 AM
Nelly tha gawd set this in motion last year and now even ESPN talking about it!

http://espn.go.com/espn/feature/story/_/id/11717596/is-kobe-bryant-reason-los-angeles-lakers-downfall

IF ONE COMMON denominator has persisted throughout Bryant's tenure with the Lakers, it is this: The blame lands elsewhere, and usually with teammates. O'Neal -- at times a mentor to Bryant, at other times freestyle-rapping to a packed club in Manhattan, "Yo, Kobe, tell me how my ass taste" -- is one in a long line of Bryant's teammates who've struggled to stick to a single script in describing the singular man. Bynum, Gasol and Howard have each been at turns coy, reticent, warm or biting. And, in turn, each has taken massive doses of blame in the media without Bryant meaningfully coming to their rescue.

"I'VE HAD A LOT OF CLIENTS WHO DIDN'T WANT TO PLAY WITH KOBE."
- PROMINENT NBA AGENT
"I've had a lot of clients in the last five years, good players, who didn't want to play with Kobe," says an agent who has had numerous NBA stars. "They see that his teammates become the chronic public whipping boys. Anyone who could possibly challenge Kobe for the spotlight ends up becoming a pincushion for the media. Even Shaq."
2380431, loud, late, and stupidly wrong.
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Oct-21-14 11:36 AM
The article this was pulled from is full of holes, inaccuracies, fabrications, and old shit that's been rehashed a thousand times.

Notice how Nelly, you, or anyone else didn't go off about how nobody wanted to play with Dwight and Harden this summer? Yeah.
2380439, You know Dwight and Harden want to play with each other right?
Posted by RaFromQueens, Tue Oct-21-14 11:47 AM
lol

EDIT:

And that's not even the point. Neither one of them is being put on Mount Rushmore by idiot fans.
2380454, You know they struck out on every big name free agent, right?
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Oct-21-14 12:06 PM
You know, the same guys people keep trashing Kobe for not being able to get?

It’s amusing that an over the hill Kobe with a team on the decline catches all kinds of heat for not attracting all these big names, yet two young stars in the prime of their careers with a team on the rise struck out on all the same guys and nobody says a word.
It’s amusing that Nelly used Dwight as his prime example of people not wanting to play with Kobe while ignoring that fact that nobody was exactly beating down Dwight & Harden’s door.

Sorry champ, but an ounce of objectivity would tell you that it says worlds more about Dwight, Harden, and Morey’s supposed genius, and the fact that nobody wanted to play with them than nobody wanting to play with Kobe, 19 seasons in, coming off an injury with a broken Steve Nash, no coach, and no Jerry Buss. Nobody was clamoring to play with Bosh and Wade in Miami after Bron left. Who was beating down NY’s door to play with Melo? Who was angling to be a Rocket? A Bull? NOBODY, that’s who, yet conveniently it’s only an issue if Kobe strikes out on free agents. Pau was the last major FA chip to fall and went for a discount to a situation with a team that just made the playoffs without Derek Rose while Derek Rose was about to come back.

Except… well, except for the fun fact that when you look at where everyone went, it’s clear that none of the big names left except for Bron, and he went home to Kyrie and a roster of first contract lottery picks and tradable assets. Melo & Bosh stayed home and followed the money, Dirk stayed home for less money in a move that surprised absolutely nobody, Lowry stayed home, Parsons bounced to Dallas for an insane contract he would have been equally insane to turn down, etc.

I mean, you guys keep going hard to push this narrative that nobody wants to play with Kobe, yet the actual, verifiable, out in the open facts pretty much tell a different story. Was Paul George supposed to turn down a massive guaranteed contract on a team that looked poised to be a title player then and there and wait a few years to come to L.A? Is that something people even do? Where’s the history of players of his stature making such moves?

No, most of these guys did exactly what the CBA was designed to encourage them to do: stay with their current team for more money.
2380446, This article has already been disposed of
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Tue Oct-21-14 11:54 AM
I'm surprised ESPN allowed an article with more holes than swiss cheese to be posted on their site.
2380452, It's 1/2 the ESPN magazine cover.
Posted by RaFromQueens, Tue Oct-21-14 12:03 PM
It's a split between Rose coming back and Kobe destroying the Lakers.
2380455, And much of the information within has already been destroyed.
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Oct-21-14 12:06 PM
The end.
2380598, Even worse that they would put a faulty ass article in print
Posted by Nick Has a Problem...Seriously, Tue Oct-21-14 03:14 PM
2380642, Even worse is that these guys are so rabid they don't care
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Oct-21-14 03:37 PM
Any made-up bullshit is fine so long as it tarnishes the image of a guy they spend more time shitting on than they do supporting another player they actually like.

Especially this guy, who's a Knicks fan, and hasn't had anything to look forward to outside of fuel for hating Kobe and probably a few others.
2380562, lol...Henry Abbot is a notorious Kobe-hater....who
Posted by Warren Coolidge, Tue Oct-21-14 02:37 PM
is obviously looking for more "clicks" so he puts out an anti-Kobe article...

**shrug**

whatever...

couple things you'll see this season..guaranteed...

the fact that Kobe is looking like he's physically back to where he was before the injury is going to have the Kobe/Laker Hater nation revert back to tired...played out....and even fabricated stories like this to avoid speaking on how wrong they were about Kobe being done.

also remember the one FACT that always trumps articles like this is the fact that 2 years ago young NBA players were polled as to who was their favorite/most admired player currently in the NBA.... Kobe Bryant won by far....

You simply cannot have it both ways.... He can't be the favorite/most admired player in the league by NBA PLAYERS....then claim Kobe possesses attributes that those same NBA PLAYERS are rejecting..

lol... you just cant have it both ways.....it's not possible...

this article is being blown to pieces on talk radio our here as I type this because it's completely full of holes, and written by a guy with plenty anti-kobe stories in his archives..


and as far as Nelly....

look.... congrats on real husbands of Hollywood or whatever reality tv show you're doing but when it comes to sports??? St. Louis doesn't have a basketball team....they're about to lose their football team..... and Nelly is just barely a better rapper than Kobe...

2462588, ^ too soon?
Posted by bentagain, Fri Jul-03-15 02:46 PM
2462669, MMMMM HOT SHIT
Posted by RaFromQueens, Fri Jul-03-15 10:29 PM
Nelly underrated
2462677, DENIED for several reasons
Posted by Kira, Fri Jul-03-15 11:38 PM
A) DHO went to Houston to do the same thing he refused to do in LA long-term.
B) DHO and James both FUCKING SUCK at recruiting another superstar.
CAN SOMEONE TALK ABOUT THIS?^^^^^
C) DeAndre Jordan is overrated as shit AND we're looking forward to life after CP3.
D) Rox have to win three titles in four years for this to be considered a life altering L in recruiting by the Lakers.
E)LOL at Nelly having to go defend his boy on First Take. Kobe's career>>>Nelly's career.
F)Rox have to make the conference finals next year/win 66+ games or signing in Houston is an L for the reasons DHO outlined in signing in the first place.
2462773, RE: DENIED for several reasons
Posted by murph71, Sat Jul-04-15 10:15 AM
>A) DHO went to Houston to do the same thing he refused to do
>in LA long-term.
>B) DHO and James both FUCKING SUCK at recruiting another
>superstar.
>CAN SOMEONE TALK ABOUT THIS?^^^^^
>C) DeAndre Jordan is overrated as shit AND we're looking
>forward to life after CP3.
>D) Rox have to win three titles in four years for this to be
>considered a life altering L in recruiting by the Lakers.
>E)LOL at Nelly having to go defend his boy on First Take.
>Kobe's career>>>Nelly's career.
>F)Rox have to make the conference finals next year/win 66+
>games or signing in Houston is an L for the reasons DHO
>outlined in signing in the first place.


wtf...
2462779, I love Carrie Champion but they kicked that can down the road...
Posted by bentagain, Sat Jul-04-15 10:26 AM
https://youtu.be/OSW8KjEEXCU?t=8m52s

@9:20

'watch Kobe limp his way to retirement'

^^^bodied
2463046, + this is the 3rd FA season since this first take episode aired
Posted by bentagain, Sun Jul-05-15 10:16 AM
D12 and CP65 and counting

aren't even relevant to the conversation in 2015!

never forget the cloak.
2463147, and yet, if the Lakers had just won a title or came close to doing so
Posted by Dr Claw, Sun Jul-05-15 07:51 PM
this would be a moot point.

Lakers were a lottery team this past season. name a big-time FA who jumped on such a bandwagon, outside of LeBron James (and if there EVER was an exception to a rule...)

the "doesn't want to play with Kobe" myth doesn't hold water
FAgents don't want to be part of a "building process"

edit: Dwight Howard molests team mates on the bench (verifable with video). if Kobe kicked him out, he probably didn't want no parts of that fuckery on his team