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2182342, Explain to me, unemotionally why Mayweather/Khan is a bad fight Posted by AnonymousCoward, Fri May-17-13 09:16 AM
This may be the fight we get, and I for one think it's a good matchup. Khan is lightening quick and has pop. He made Zab Judah look worse tan he's ever looked. He BEAT Lamont Peterson. Go back and watch that fight. It was a razor thin decision where Khan had two points deducted for PUSHING and THEN there was some scorecard fuckery.
Sure, he's chinny, but he's only been KO'd twice, but hat's one time fewer than Manny has. And modern-day Floyd isn't exactly a knockout artist.
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2182347, cause he got ko'd twice BAD like nite nite aint that why yall say Posted by JAESCOTT777, Fri May-17-13 09:33 AM
Pac dont deserve floyd?
furthermore he is NOT the best fight available
yall cats are hillarious
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2182348, much emotion in this reply Posted by AnonymousCoward, Fri May-17-13 09:35 AM
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2182357, its a shit fight dog yall can rationize it all you want Posted by JAESCOTT777, Fri May-17-13 09:47 AM
its a shit fight
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2182355, damn is this what Flomos have been reduced to? Posted by southphillyman, Fri May-17-13 09:46 AM
I'm just glad one of yall finally named a fighter not even going to address why that would be a joke of a fight, smh
SIKE yes i am bwhahahahahah never fought at 140 - check has no drawing power, routinely fighting in front of half empty arenas in the US - check looked horrible in his last fight getting dropped and wobbled badly multiple times - check and most importantly .......NO ONE WANTS THE SHIT there was no buzz for this fight shit there was NO buzz for khan to fight any 140lbers lmao i mean damn dude got knocked the fuck out by a slow motion Danny Garcia counter hook his career is on LIFE SUPPORT right now that's why his ass was in england getting wobbled every 3rd punch by a no name his last fight ppl didn't even know dude had a fight coming up , shit wasn't televised or nothing DAMN
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2182361, Danny Garcia knocked him out Posted by Ceej, Fri May-17-13 09:57 AM
Shitty ass Danny GArcia....thats why.
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2182362, World Champion, big puncher, Danny Garcia? Posted by AnonymousCoward, Fri May-17-13 10:01 AM
He might not be Medgoen Singsurat or Rustico Torrecampo, but he's no slouch either.
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2182366, Dont come at me like I eat pandesal Posted by Ceej, Fri May-17-13 10:05 AM
>He might not be Medgoen Singsurat or Rustico Torrecampo, but >he's no slouch either.
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2182363, Khan isn't good enough. Posted by veritas, Fri May-17-13 10:04 AM
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2182365, It seems better than Guerrero Posted by Lightfoot, Fri May-17-13 10:04 AM
And a lot better than Garcia or Alexander. Not that Khan would be more deserving or has done more to "earn" it than those three guys (especially Garcia, for obvious reasons), but I think stylistically it would be more interesting. Your points make sense to me.
I'm not sure I'd necessarily choose it over whoever comes out of the Peterson-Matthysse fight this weekend, but maybe. And other than that, yeah I guess I'd prefer Khan over anyone else at 140 or 147 that isn't with Top Rank. From 154 I'd obviously prefer Canelo, and also Trout (not realistic), but not really anyone else there either.
And from the "event" standpoint, which isn't entirely irrelevant, it would be really entertaining to see that fight in Britain.
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2182367, This was the fight I wanted to see before Khan screwed it up Posted by Kungset, Fri May-17-13 10:08 AM
He's looked terrible lately
I liked the matchup because it gave Floyd the chance to knock someone the fuck out, which he hasn't done much of lately. it would be interesting to see Floyd have to be the aggressor for the whole fight, and Khan is fun to watch before he gets wobbled by something stupid
Plus I would like to see Floyd against someone active and someone who could plausibly outpoint him
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2182370, ^^^fair and balanced^^^ Posted by AnonymousCoward, Fri May-17-13 10:15 AM
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2182371, Yup and Khan messed up his marketability Posted by zigbfree, Fri May-17-13 10:20 AM
Floyd fights for big paychecks and expects people to drop $70 to see him fight. Probably a good chunk of people paying to see him are rooting for him to lose. No one now believes that Khan has a real chance of beating Floyd. I dont know if Khan could beat Guerrero.
But before his last two fights, they definitely could have sold Khan as the next best international fighter who could possibly take Floyd down.
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2182373, cmon dude Posted by JAESCOTT777, Fri May-17-13 10:23 AM
> >Plus I would like to see Floyd against someone active and >someone who could plausibly outpoint him
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2182378, to be clear i'm not really interested fight at this point in Khan's career Posted by Kungset, Fri May-17-13 10:28 AM
just saying, khan outpointing floyd off activity was within the realm of possibilities. unlike guerrero where you knew this dude had absolutely NO shot in the universe.
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2182368, At what weight? Posted by B9, Fri May-17-13 10:10 AM
I don't think Khan can get up to 147 and be near the same fighter and why the hell would Floyd go all the way down to 140 at this stage in his career just to beat the shit out of Khan?
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2182379, Cause Khan is B-level and Floyd is A-level... Posted by BlassFemur, Fri May-17-13 10:29 AM
and the first time Floyd taps that chin, it's a wrap.
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2182380, there are better fights out there for Floyd..Khan is getting close to Posted by Warren Coolidge, Fri May-17-13 10:30 AM
being a shot fighter...
it's just not a pay per view worthy fight when Floyd could be fighting Manny or any number of other fighters who pose an actual challenge..
plus Khan has lost 2 of his last 4 fights...
the fight fits floyd's criteria for an oppoenent but it's not a fight that should even be discussed when there are so many other fights out there for him.
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2182389, Surely you see the hypocracy here? Posted by AnonymousCoward, Fri May-17-13 10:38 AM
>being a shot fighter... > >it's just not a pay per view worthy fight when Floyd could be >fighting Manny or any number of other fighters who pose an >actual challenge.. > >plus Khan has lost 2 of his last 4 fights... > >the fight fits floyd's criteria for an oppoenent but it's not >a fight that should even be discussed when there are so many >other fights out there for him.
Since Manny lost two of his last TWO fights, including being KTFO by a man Floyd demolished. I agree that there are better fights to be made, but there are also FAR worse fights that could be made.
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2182402, don't bring up that travesty of a decision to Bradley Posted by T Reynolds, Fri May-17-13 10:49 AM
my man who boxes (bigtime Flomosexual) posts on FB how the more times he watches the fight the more he gives the fight to Bradley
you have to really really earnestly TRY FIRST to view Bradley as the winner to even begin to give him the split decision
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2182404, I'm just trying to stir the pot Posted by AnonymousCoward, Fri May-17-13 10:52 AM
I'm giving him back-to-back losses because they'r eon his record, and I'm mad he got the decision in Marquez III.
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2182406, RE: don't bring up that travesty of a decision to Bradley Posted by Ceej, Fri May-17-13 10:55 AM
>you have to really really earnestly TRY FIRST to view Bradley >as the winner to even begin to give him the split decision >
Reminds me of JMM I, II & III
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2182408, you must eat lamb biryani Posted by T Reynolds, Fri May-17-13 11:01 AM
because it sounds like you believe in karma
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2182430, I'm bout to murder some boneless wings actually Posted by Ceej, Fri May-17-13 11:30 AM
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2182458, RE: you must eat lamb biryani Posted by guru0509, Fri May-17-13 12:03 PM
vegetable biryani better.
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2182460, true indeed Posted by T Reynolds, Fri May-17-13 12:05 PM
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2182427, the Pacquiao Mayweather fight was to be the 2 best fighters Posted by Warren Coolidge, Fri May-17-13 11:27 AM
>>being a shot fighter... >> >>it's just not a pay per view worthy fight when Floyd could >be >>fighting Manny or any number of other fighters who pose an >>actual challenge.. >> >>plus Khan has lost 2 of his last 4 fights... >> >>the fight fits floyd's criteria for an oppoenent but it's >not >>a fight that should even be discussed when there are so many >>other fights out there for him. > >Since Manny lost two of his last TWO fights, including being >KTFO by a man Floyd demolished. I agree that there are better >fights to be made, but there are also FAR worse fights that >could be made.
of that weight class in recent times meeting....kind of like a Pryor Arguello type of match up...
His pedigree presents a better match up..but historically and in the present tense then Khan...
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2182394, actual challenge? Posted by Beamer6178, Fri May-17-13 10:41 AM
>being a shot fighter... > >it's just not a pay per view worthy fight when Floyd could be >fighting Manny or any number of other fighters who pose an >actual challenge.. http://goo.gl/ZriUn
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2182392, there's only one real answer: because Floyd won't lose.. Posted by LegacyNS, Fri May-17-13 10:40 AM
which is the only way a fight will be legit in the eyes of Floyd haters... lol ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <---- 5.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo
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2182401, smdh no Posted by JAESCOTT777, Fri May-17-13 10:49 AM
just no
its a shit fight and inexcusable given the names of possibilities
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2182419, which is what every Floyd fight is labeled posthumous Posted by LegacyNS, Fri May-17-13 11:20 AM
>just no > >its a shit fight and inexcusable given the names of >possibilities >
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2182446, so all this bullshit aside do you honestly think he fought Posted by JAESCOTT777, Fri May-17-13 11:43 AM
the best fighters he could have fought in WW post oscar? be honest.
i give him credit for oscar that was still a dangerous fight at 154
was mosley in his prime? No
(pre oscar but still no doubt a shot fighter) was gatti in his prime? No
was de la hoya in his prime? no
did he make JMM come up from 135 to fight him? yes
was Guerrero a fight anyone wanted? no
was victor ortiz a fight anyone wanted? fuck no
these are all just undeniable facts
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2182474, i see what you did right there Posted by Beamer6178, Fri May-17-13 12:26 PM
>the best fighters he could have fought in WW post oscar? >be honest. >
>did he make JMM come up from 135 to fight him? >yes just say "i fucking hate floyd" and be done with it.
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2182476, did you notice WC wouldn't answer my question abt JMM Posted by LegacyNS, Fri May-17-13 12:35 PM
in that other post? - lol.
http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2180019&mesg_id=2180019&page=#2181687
And why are they ignoring that Floyd had to agree to DLHs terms and move up in weight. When you're the man, you call the shots....
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2182493, he didnt move up 2 fucking weight classes Posted by JAESCOTT777, Fri May-17-13 01:17 PM
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2182514, I DID, LOL shit is pathetic Posted by Beamer6178, Fri May-17-13 02:29 PM
>in that other post? - lol. > >http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2180019&mesg_id=2180019&page=#2181687 > > > >And why are they ignoring that Floyd had to agree to DLHs >terms and move up in weight. When you're the man, you call the >shots....
everything Manny stans were silent about they know are attacking Floyd for, since the fantastical notion that Manny could beat him has been effectively shattered.
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2182536, Floyd stans really think they saw a Manny-Floyd fight where Floyd won Posted by Kungset, Fri May-17-13 03:36 PM
watching a PPV in their heads and shit
as bad as y'all are a lotta the time at predicting fights, you managed to predict how this hypothetical match up would go perfectly. you should take your talents to vegas
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2182540, nga shutup, the ? was about JMM vs Floyd..... lolololol Posted by LegacyNS, Fri May-17-13 03:52 PM
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2182541, they also saw Manny fail a drug test too...lolol...amazing Posted by Warren Coolidge, Fri May-17-13 03:56 PM
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2182543, Manny : Drug Tests : : Derrick Rose : SAT Posted by Ceej, Fri May-17-13 03:57 PM
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2182558, floyd stans were crossing their fingers ever manny fight praying for a L Posted by southphillyman, Fri May-17-13 04:20 PM
just so they could say floyd didn't have to fight him anymore shits comedy that's the risk manny took tho fighting twice a yr, fighting dudes 15-20lbs heavier (clottey,marg), fighting undefeated dudes in their prime (bradley), fighting rivals (jmm) much easier to catch a L like that as opposed to fighting once a year against hand picked former lightweights/jr ww like guerrero and ortiz and washed up ass dudes like cotto
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2182890, trust and believe, i wanted this fight JUST to STF y'all up Posted by Beamer6178, Sat May-18-13 11:19 PM
>just so they could say floyd didn't have to fight him >anymore >shits comedy >that's the risk manny took tho >fighting twice a yr, fighting dudes 15-20lbs heavier >(clottey,marg), fighting undefeated dudes in their prime >(bradley), fighting rivals (jmm) >much easier to catch a L like that as opposed to fighting once >a year against hand picked former lightweights/jr ww like >guerrero and ortiz and washed up ass dudes like cotto
no dude who was getting bloodied in fights with morales was gonna beat a superior defensive fighter.
your boy got FUCKED UP and you still talking about us being glad and relieved
ROFL
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2182492, i dont hate floyd he is the best i ever seen but his fight selection Posted by JAESCOTT777, Fri May-17-13 01:15 PM
is suspect dog
im talking welterweight because thats when he became a star and thats where the suspectness started
please tell me anything in that reply that is false?
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2182891, hey Posted by Beamer6178, Sat May-18-13 11:22 PM
>is suspect dog > >im talking welterweight because thats when he became a star >and thats where the suspectness started > >please tell me anything in that reply that is false?
you know Manny got FUCKED up, right?
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2182482, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMSiAmhIQHI Posted by BLACK_ADAM, Fri May-17-13 12:49 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMSiAmhIQHI
"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."
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2182539, If you want to fight Mayweather..... Posted by LegacyNS, Fri May-17-13 03:51 PM
You need to fight him on his terms..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abyiZ50Lcx0
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ <---- 5.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo
======================================= Occupy Big Government..
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2182563, RE: If you want to fight Mayweather..... Posted by BLACK_ADAM, Fri May-17-13 04:39 PM
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2013/04/canelo-weighed-172-lbs-for-trout-fight-mayweather-bout-out-of-the-question/
"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."
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2182432, Lol I would love to see Mayweather destroy him for 12 rounds Posted by guru0509, Fri May-17-13 11:33 AM
Khan isn't anywhere near Floyd's level though.
Mayweather will line up one more big fight, and then ride off into the sunset undefeated...
I really wish Manny had knocked Marquez out in a decisive manner because I think that fight would have eventually materialized if Manny's brand hadn't taken that hit...
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2182483, What's even funnier is how Freddie Roach would say how... Posted by BLACK_ADAM, Fri May-17-13 12:52 PM
...Khan would give Pacquiao the business in their sparring sessions...
What does that say about either fighter?
"Inspectah Deck, he's like...he's like that dude thatta sit back and watch you play yourself and all that right? And see you sit there and know you lyin; and he'll take you to court after that, cuz he the Inspectah."
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2182519, i dont know but all i know is if Khan is the best they can do Posted by JAESCOTT777, Fri May-17-13 02:56 PM
they might as well fight JMM again
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2182520, No one is, but styles make fights Posted by AnonymousCoward, Fri May-17-13 02:59 PM
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2182521, styles make fights and his style will not make for a fight for Floyd Posted by JAESCOTT777, Fri May-17-13 03:05 PM
not in that Floyd is the goat type of way but in that Khan is not an elite fighter type of way
i know that you know this is a terrible fight
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2182562, My whole argument is this: Posted by BLACK_ADAM, Fri May-17-13 04:37 PM
***The entire fight game is about exposure, allegiances, showcasing your talent, building a ledger and most importantly...risk vs. reward... No successful prizefighter willfully neglects any aspect of the aforementioned
***Folks should also consider that despite some fighters' ability to make fighting look easy it is not. There is pain involved in all phases of the fight game win or lose. Many don't appreciate all that is considered to make a fight happen especially the physical toll on the guys we scream for to spill their blood...
***Weight matters. That isn't even a discussion and it's asinine for the vast majority of folks who've *NEVER* laced up the gloves and actually tried to *BEAT* an opponent in an actual contest (not spar...not "get some work in"...not go a round or two..etc..)..to say that weight is not a factor. I want those same assholes to allow a physically bigger, heavier opponent to land some shots on them for 10+ rounds and see if they think weight doesn't matter. They absolutely won't do it for free and their price threshold to allow for that level of punishment is far lower than the pros we argue about frequently. Cats don't have an accurate perspective
That said, I understand folks wanting Mayweather to travel outside of his comfort zone to make a superfight but they also understand he does not have to. No fighter really does....particularly the champion...
Far too many casual fans and observers eschew the rankings and mandatories a champion fighter has lined up and dismissively deem those fighters as insufficient and it's sad. According to them it is far easier for a "name" to skip right over the rankings instead of fighters earning their chances. Matter of fact, they prefer it.
Don't get me wrong "step aside" money has made for some exciting fights but it is disrespectful overall to the guys that have toiled long years for their shot at the crown.
I'm not particularly interested in an Amir Khan fight unless he can show me that he can reclaim the form he had prior to his KO losses. Despite his missteps, it appears he's at least trying to do something about it. Too bad he was hyped up too early but suffering is part of his road back. He's a competent boxer with excellent hand speed and length. he's chinny though. I wonder if he's still to light for his frame. What I'm interested in is the best possible fight happening with *ALL* things considered...
Sometimes the champ is just that good. Most times a fighter isn't appreciated until he seen struggling, hurt, vulnerable or overcome by adversity.
Most people don't willingly walk into that.
...and that doesn't make them a coward in this sport. In my opinion it takes a *LOT* to find a coward in this sport
(BONUS):
http://www.boxingnews24.com/2013/04/canelo-weighed-172-lbs-for-trout-fight-mayweather-bout-out-of-the-question/
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2182440, he would've been getting hyped up as another floyd killer pre-knockouts Posted by SeV, Fri May-17-13 11:39 AM
But now he's getting treated like someone floyd beat
He would be perfect for manny basically
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2182528, why does he deserve a shot post knockouts(plural)? Posted by JAESCOTT777, Fri May-17-13 03:19 PM
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2182529, especially when they say pac don't deserve a chance no more Posted by T Reynolds, Fri May-17-13 03:23 PM
after one
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2182555, that was just a dumb desperate excuse for floyd stans Posted by southphillyman, Fri May-17-13 04:12 PM
floyd had no issue moving up to 154 to fight cotto after manny and marg put him down on bended knee they make up duck excuses as they go along
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2182713, Khan deserves a shot at Pac. see who can hit the canvas faster Posted by Radio Rahim, Sat May-18-13 02:37 PM
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