I believe Paul George plays a brand of basketball more conducive to winning than Melo. I've had eight years to watch Melo not be the player I thought he'd be in the L. He once had a beautiful floor game and now he's obsessed with scoring.

I don't wanna hear no excuses about how Melo don't have a Hibbert or West or whatever y'all gonna say when George outplays Melo.

So, you in or out? Say it now or get ignored when the series starts.

He will write tons of great stuff for you on Grantland....just put a clause in his contract that he can't do Knicks agendas ever again.

at my team's box scores

dont come in here trying to force Ls when melo is averaging 35 on 40% shooting....thats what he do.

http://tinyurl.com/caxc4tc

http://tinyurl.com/bmoygfm

You all over the place right now.

don't be mad because i got vision and be settin shit up and you don't see it comin and fumble it like a cavs big man.

I like 3 things about Melo: he's Puerto Rican, born in Brooklyn, he's clutch.

Only 1 thing has to do with basketball.

You can't go anti- 1 dimensional chucker one moment. Then, the same day post some shit pro- 1 dimensional chucker.

Them shits catch up to you, like the whole D-Rose shit.

>I like 3 things about Melo: he's Puerto Rican, born in
>Brooklyn, he's clutch.
>
>Only 1 thing has to do with basketball.
>
>You can't go anti- 1 dimensional chucker one moment. Then, the
>same day post some shit pro- 1 dimensional chucker.
>
>Them shits catch up to you, like the whole D-Rose shit.


lol....

he won an MVP he ain't deserve and russy been to a finals and will win a title before rose ever plays again. y'all can have that.

Melo - in the L since 2003

Kyrie - in the L since 2011

and you can keep actin like john wall a "winner" if you want. he a no jacket loser who had a super-cysed 6 week run.

D-Rose needs to pass more, but Kyrie makes Rose look like Mark fucking Jackson.

You can keep pretending like a 3 point contest matters outside of the Craig Hodges household.

One thing I don't have to think about is whether John Wall is actually a point guard and he directly impacts winning.

wall directly impacted 3 straight lottery teams...congrats

good luck with emeka and nene cranking up them generators on their knees again tho. i don't wanna hear NO complaints about them next year. none.

makes better.

>
>he won an MVP he ain't deserve and russy been to a finals and
>will win a title before rose ever plays again. y'all can have
>that.

Yep...if only Rose had a KD on his team...

Good times! But on the real, Russy gonna beast though...That kid is a monster...But stop being ridiculous...I thought u were finished with this...

SMH...lol

if only russy was from CHI had bucher and wilbon tryna shame people into voting him for MVP...because he from Chi

>if only russy was from CHI had bucher and wilbon tryna shame
>people into voting him for MVP...because he from Chi

If Russy was in the Chi and carrying a team he would indeed get some MVP votes...And well deserved...

But wait a minute...lol...Rose won because of Wilbon and Bucher playing fanboys?

Man...this is bad posting, homie...even for u...lol

U just did...lol


It's all good...I'm pulling for Kyrie anyway...Next year will be very important for the young boy...Gotta start winning...

Kyrie:Winning Westbrook: Style
Kyrie:Winning Wall: Jumpshot
Kyrie:Winning Kyrie: Passing



Who are the Cavs gunning for in the 2014 lottery?

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=215&player_ids%5B%5D=113

I like his game... Is he ready to break out this year in that potential 2nd round matchup? So much so that he's the main reason they beat NY in a series?

Wow... that would be something..
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

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Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html

him out

Unlike Melo, he's going to contribute to his team in more ways than just scoring...

>Unlike Melo, he's going to contribute to his team in more ways
>than just scoring...

Because the team with the most rebounds and assists is the
one who wins the game.

Love it.

lol. i love how underrated points are here. POINTS. lol.

melo scoring 48 one of these nights and they gonna complain he shot under 50% and only rebounded his own shot.

gonna be uppin' the shit out of this post

if melo shit the bed and the knicks still win it doesn't really prove anything. Same for boy george.

Not quite knicks related but...


http://www.cbssports.com/nba/blog/eye-on-basketball/22116219/man-gets-arguably-the-worst-nate-robinson-tattoo-ever

with leopard print and shit, lmao, this guy must have smoked a lot of meth and shared it with the tat artist

http://bit.ly/11F1mOv

Every NBA player who plays at least 30 min/game and has a usage rate of 25%. Only Bron and Durant have a higher PER.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

PER SUCKS.

so i was looking for the PER formula and found this gem:
"Hollinger argues that each two point field goal made is worth about 1.65 points. A three point field goal made is worth 2.65 points. A missed field goal, though, costs a team 0.72 points. Given these values, with a bit of math we can show that a player will break even on his two point field goal attempts if he hits on 30.4% of these shots. On three pointers the break-even point is 21.4%. If a player exceeds these thresholds, and virtually every NBA player does so with respect to two-point shots, the more he shoots the higher his value in PERs. So a player can be an inefficient scorer and simply inflate his value by taking a large number of shots."

goddam. ether.

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And choose to focus on stuff like assists per game,
which are LOL

Rondo led the league in assists per game, Celtics went
on a run the second he left the team, and while he's a
fabulous player, almost no one thinks he's truly indispensable,
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(C)Keith Murray, "

i don't really have much of a stance on it, other than laughing that he's the only decent pro they've got in the past 20+ years.

those are probably used correctly*, i haven't checked and have to teach class in 3 minutes, so i won't bother. but i've been on my anti-PER 'genda for years.

*wait, is that top ten in this selected group of high volume usage guys? cuz...that's not as impressive, necessarily.

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You know, people who are in the game and touch the ball a lot.

he will never measure up to bron or durant and he'll never lead a team to a title. not scathing indictments really.

>he will never measure up to bron or durant and he'll never
>lead a team to a title. not scathing indictments really.

Niggas shape-shifted and its bwahahahahahahahah

Bron and Durant might end their careers 2 of the top 8
players ever

But we don't like Carmelo because he's not as good 2 of
the 8 best to ever play?!?!?!?!?!?!

This is pure comedy

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(C)Keith Murray, "

and there are guys i'd rather at the three, especially on a good team. george is one of them.

i mean, not say to say that granger is as good as melo but he played a somewhat similar style. i think he fits their team brilliantly. on most teams, especially good teams, i'd take george. more of a fit/versatility thing than a straight BETTER thing. i'm not sure how much consistent firepower the knicks would have without anthony, that gives me pause in their case, i guess.

Did at the olympics and all season....

i'm not too hung up on positions as much as roles/styles.

who's more comparable to him? durant or blake griffin? exactly.

but you, know, hey. Melo's as efficient this year as Kobe was. so bully for that.

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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

for reaching "star" level, as well as the epic Kemba Walker, the corpse formerly known as Carlos Boozer, and Monta NOOOOOO!!!! for being such wonderful "stars" compared to those pathetic players like Dwight Howard, Kevin Garnett, MVPau, and the best player on the knicks roster.

and i'm glad PG warz is over, considering Chris Paul isn't even a "star." Congrats Russy!
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Chris Paul is the real obvious one.

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point obviously.

Though GTown was so bad back then, I don't know why you'd even bother hating him. It's not like GTown played any meaningful games in those years. He just beat their irrelevant squad 3 times like he was supposed to.

did player x attend cuse eveb if only for one season? If yes, then fuck him. I liked flyn's game but fuck him too.

It is funny that the only decent pro cuse has produced since I went through puberty in the mid nineties is a one dimensional gunner who isn't very efficient. That amuses me more than anything else.

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>did player x attend cuse eveb if only for one season? If yes,
>then fuck him. I liked flyn's game but fuck him too.
>
>It is funny that the only decent pro cuse has produced since I
>went through puberty in the mid nineties is a one dimensional
>gunner who isn't very efficient. That amuses me more than
>anything else.

It amuses me that despite a lack of great pros since the mid 90s, Cuse has still beaten GTown like a drum over those years.

ts% < 500, ws/48 of .026, O-rating <100 and a d-rating >110 and an A:T ratio of 1.5. he's not good.

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, can get his own shot and create......better than decent.

scored 15 on 17 shots per game. his splits per month don't show the improvement in FG% you claim.

he's not good at the moment and i don't think he will become good.
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17 shots per game? Nah, it's 13.

17 shots per 36 minutes.....so if you're using that, you should note he averaged 18 points per 36 minutes. How you got 17 shots and 15 points is beyond me.

As for splits...37, 34, 42, 51, 42, 43.....those are his FG % by month. Given that his 2 lowest %s were his first two months, I don't know how you can't see that as improvement.

>17 shots per game? Nah, it's 13.

i got his per 36/per game flipped when i was looking it up. relax.

>17 shots per 36 minutes.....so if you're using that, you
>should note he averaged 18 points per 36 minutes. How you got
>17 shots and 15 points is beyond me.

his per game is 14.7 points (15), his shots per 36 is 17. it's not hard to figure what happened. damn, you're gonna spin it like he doesn't still suck.

>
>As for splits...37, 34, 42, 51, 42, 43.....those are his FG %
>by month. Given that his 2 lowest %s were his first two
>months, I don't know how you can't see that as improvement.

yeah, 42 and 43 percent is still bad. like i said, he went from shit (37% and 34%) to bad (42/43). and he doesn't get to the line enough to even get his TS% up to a respectable number. He sorry. woulda been better to note april was all of 5 games for him and march was all of 7. still, he had one brief streak where he could score. but that's all he had. in his entire rookie season, and then he got worse.


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42 and 43% isn't terrible for a guard, especially a rookie. Lillard shot 43%, does he suck? He will get to the line more as he gains experience and as he starts getting veteran calls on top of it.

He's a playmaker. He can get his own shot whenever and make things happen. He's not one of those role players who spots up and only takes wide open shots that others create and therefore shoot a great %, that you efficiency nuts get wet over.

I do agree with some others that he could be a potential great fit as a 6th man Jason Terry in Dallas, Jamal Crawford type of guy on a great team.

>Lillard shot 43%, does he suck? He will get to the line more
>as he gains experience and as he starts getting veteran calls
>on top of it.

Lilliard also was the primary point guard (6 assists) and played more per game, shot better from 3 pt range, and was consistent. AND EVERYONE SAYS HIS SHOOTING NEEDS TO IMPROVE. but waiters is a "playmaker." Oh, and lilliard was picked later, is on an equally shitty squad, and was a primary scorer for his team (roughly 50% more shots).

>He's a playmaker. He can get his own shot whenever and make
>things happen. He's not one of those role players who spots up
>and only takes wide open shots that others create and
>therefore shoot a great %, that you efficiency nuts get wet
>over.

yes! please. that's a terrible argument. that's the type of shit that makes him never actually change his game to fit the reality that he's not good enough to Dwayne Wade it and bull to the rim. but yeah, he's a "playmaker." Please, point to other playmakers who have shot 42% for their season and been deemed "good."

the acceptable plea cop for his BAD shooting (seriously. 42% is bad. there's no denying it), is that other teams didn't have to guard anyone on that shitty squad. except they did once kyrie was playing and...42%.

waiters was a net negative in 82games' simple rating, was -4.2 points while on the floor per 48. he's not good. if the #4 pick in the draft is already being described as best fitting as a sixth man...LOL.


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He was a 6th man for a great team, was that "LOL" worthy?

http://splicd.com/Ertv4KJgWyI/8/10

"he could be a potential great fit as a 6th man Jason Terry in Dallas, Jamal Crawford type of guy on a great team."

that's not harden. or, that was, except harden was clearly way better than them, which is why he didn't stay in that role.

also, harden shot less, took more 3s (and made more of them) while also getting to the FT line more, rebounding more (assisting less, but that's not his role), and had a TS% of .551 compared to .492 for Waiters, which explains his being 10 points better in terms of O-rating, having a ws/48 of .126 instead of .026, and was getting a lot of hate as a potential bust on this board (don't think basa's forgotten that either. lol). he didn't, but you really want to bank on Dion Waiters being James Harden 2.0? (don't forget how different their college careers were too).

i mean, damn. you really want to claim that?

edit: here's the list since 2000 of rookies <6'6 who shot <.420 on fgs. the only good ones outside of Harden are PGs. you know, like Lilliard, but not like Waiters

http://tinyurl.com/coweazy

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Waiters was the best player on a 34-3 Syracuse team, and his numbers were limited by playing for a really deep and good squad. MCW didn't even get any burn that year.

Harden was the best player on an Arizona St. that got easily bounced from the NCAA's by a good, but not great Syracuse team.

Waiters would've scored 20+ per game at Arizona State, too.

Waiters is doing fine. Should have a very good career. Won't surprise me if he's that Crawford, Harden - OKC, Terry - Dallas type eventually if he ends up on a squad like that. It also won't surprise me if he turns into an All Star. It would surprise me if he doesn't turn into one of those two things.

You playing it like he's a scrub is going to turn into a massive L for you.

has he ever played 30+ minutes? no. did he score as efficiently or shoot as well as harden in college? no. but yeah, i was talking about wins there. LOL.

>You playing it like he's a scrub is going to turn into a
>massive L for you.

he's not good today (fact), and you're betting on him doing far better as a low efficiency SG than anyone else other than Harden who has entered the league as a low efficiency SG.

he'll have a decent length career because NBA teams fall for "playmakers" but he's not good, and he won't be an all star. and if he is ever an all star, it'll be a selection that in future generations will be looked at as a "damn? Waiters was an all star?!?!? that year must have sucked" type of selection.

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Though I see you left yourself quite a bit of wiggle room.

Being the best player on a 34-3 team that spent half the season at #1 >>>>scoring 20 a game for a shitty Arizona State team.

>Being the best player on a 34-3 team that spent half the
>season at #1 >>>>scoring 20 a game for a shitty Arizona State
>team.

and LMAO and you focusing your laserlight on that because there's not a SINGLE OTHER SG who shot so poorly and became good later in their career.

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And I'll take your "no other SG" stat as you talking out your ass rather than you actually knowing that or doing any research. NO SG ever shot "poorly" their rookie year and went on to be good? Word?

>research. NO SG ever shot "poorly" their rookie year and went
>on to be good? Word?

i gave you the link. unless you're excited you've got the possible next larry hughes. i'm sure cleveland would be "thrilled" with that.

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http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&p1=hamilri01&y1=2000&p2=waitedi01&y2=2013

waiters TS% and eFG% slightly higher with very close numbers across the board for per 36min & advanced stats, and he started more games & played alot more minutes.

it's a nice, even number. so great, in the past 14 years, we've had TWO guys: Harden and Rip Hamilton. and if you extend it to 1990, maybe we'll get to three! My quick search found us larry hughes. woot!

Rip also got traded after 3 years, had a much better college statistical profile, and his splits show a CLEAR improvement in his rookie season, unlike Waiters:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hamilri01/splits/2000/

we'll see what waiters becomes. I'm not confident, the cuse fans are. anything else we have to add here?

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and it's disingenuous when you use it to try to claim that "there's not a SINGLE OTHER SG who shot so poorly and became good later in their career."

>it's a nice, even number. so great, in the past 14 years,
>we've had TWO guys: Harden and Rip Hamilton. and if you extend
>it to 1990, maybe we'll get to three!

there are others like Jason Terry and your boy Iverson but you want to discount them because they started out labeled as PGs despite the fact that they played SG most of their careers.

>My quick search found us
>larry hughes. woot!

why are you still talking about larry hughes?


>Rip also got traded after 3 years,

so?

>had a much better college
>statistical profile, and his splits show a CLEAR improvement
>in his rookie season, unlike Waiters:
>
>http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hamilri01/splits/2000/

their pre & post AS FG% splits are almost the same; Hamilton was shooting below .400 though February then had a good month shooting in March (while still playing limited minutes only scoring 7ppg); Waiters was shooting below .400 through January then had a good month shooting in February (while starting and scoring 16ppg). not really sure where Hamilton splits show so much more improvement than Waiters.

And Hamilton didn't even average double-digit points and couldn't crack the starting lineup on a godawful Wizards team or even manage to play significant minutes until the last handful of games in April. Meanwhile Waiters started, played significant minutes all season and averaged close to 15ppg.


>we'll see what waiters becomes. I'm not confident, the cuse
>fans are. anything else we have to add here?

besidese that you were wrong? not really.

Then went back and edited and included some link and started talking about "since 2000".

You're completely irrational when it comes to anything Cuse related, lol.

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But you're too blind to even admit that. From cavstheblog:


In the 33 games from January 1st until his injury on March 18th, Dion Waiters averaged twenty-points per thirty-six minutes. His PER climbed to 16.3, his Offensive Rating hit 104, with usage of 26.6 (those numbers thanks to the esteemed Randall Cooper of laughingcavs.com). Once Dion quit routinely hoisting off-balance jumpers and instead persistently attacked, his age-21 performance compares reasonably with several other recent guards**. A list includes: James Harden – 16.4 PER, 119 orating, 19.5 usage; Eric Gordon – 14.1 PER, 107 ORtg, 21.5 usage; Russell Westbrook – 17.8 PER, 105 ORtg, 25.7 usage; Dwyane Wade (age 22) – 17.6 PER, 101 ORtg, 25 usage; Jamal Crawford, 15.3 PER, 102 ORtg, 21.5 usage; J.R. Smith – 15.6 PER, 112 ORtg, 22.8 usage. Not saying he will match all of those guys, but the Dion we saw in 2013 performed admirably.

16.3, 104, who cares about usage.

James Harden 16.4 PER, 119 orating, 19.5 usage

so...nope.

; Eric Gordon – 14.1 PER, 107 ORtg, 21.5 usage

so...nope (again, remember, per sucks)

Russell Westbrook – 17.8 PER, 105 ORtg, 25.7 usage

again, nope (and a PG)

Dwyane Wade (age 22) – 17.6 PER, 101 ORtg, 25

LMAO. yep, he's d-wade. lol.

Jamal Crawford, 15.3 PER, 102 ORtg, 21.5 usage;

or....jamal crawford

>J.R. Smith – 15.6 PER, 112 ORtg, 22.8 usage.

but he ain't JR.

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All them #s comparable. Fuck you even ranting about? LOL.

LMFAO.
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It's pretty incredible that you'd even try to be shady with numbers that are RIGHT THERE. Like, why are you even arguing this?

Amazing.

I onlyhad to point out one (like you and my point about shooting guards and dion waiters MIGHT JUST BE THE SECOND COMING OF RIP HAMILTON!) after you said "All them #s comparable. "

nope. not all. you were wrong. and that was just the first comparison. The James Harden comparison is particularly important because that was the name included to keep people excited about waiters, aside from wade. Speaking of that comparison...it's pretty iffy to compare a 33 game stretch to a full season, Wade's stats are pretty clearly hurt by his bad first 15 games. Compare D-wade's rookie year after Jan 1 and Waiters post Jan 1 and Wade's clearly much better as a rookie.

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he got hurt.

He looks to have a good future as a quality guard in the league.

because playing out of position and trying to be a distributor/ball handler affects your shooting perceentage.

>there are others like Jason Terry and your boy Iverson but you
>want to discount them because they started out labeled as PGs
>despite the fact that they played SG most of their careers.

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which is completely irrelevant to the point (learning a position you don't fit vs. comparing to all PGs). awesome!

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which is completely irrelevant to the point as the players I mentioned played point guard in college. awesome indeed!

completely identical game.

hi again! are you going to respond again? just let me know so i can try to build up enough energy to give a fuck about a below average SG on a shit squad.

edit: and i had already made that point about PG vs. SG as a rookie. , just reiterated when i saw this stupid ass tangent was elongated and you were going after me over dion waiters.


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Really keen insight there!

But that wasn't your argument - you said that playing out of position trying to learn to be a distributor/ball handler affects your shooting percentage... except those guys played PG in college as primary distributors/ball handlers coming into the league, so your point is irrelevant here. nice try though!


>hi again! are you going to respond again? just let me know so
>i can try to build up enough energy to give a fuck about a
>below average SG on a shit squad.
>
>edit: and i had already made that point about PG vs. SG as a
>rookie. , just reiterated when i saw this stupid ass tangent
>was elongated and you were going after me over dion waiters.

hey there! are you going to pretend you don't give a fuck about Waiters now (15/3/2, All-Rookie First Team - man he really sucks!) and cry about 'going after you' when you're the one who drove this stupid-ass tangent to begin with & came back to elongate it with that irrelevant point because you so obviously don't care? LOL - good times!

lolall-nba rookie teamlol.

lol college point = prepared to step in as an nba point guard, except you're actually an nba shooting guard. lol.

carry on.

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>lolall-nba rookie teamlol.

lol15ppg as rookie suckslol.

>lol college point = prepared to step in as an nba point guard,
>except you're actually an nba shooting guard. lol.
>
>carry on.

yeah, except that isn't what you said.

try picking a story and sticking to it next time.

Whenever advanced statistics are used to judge a players talent/worth to the point of obsession, that person in question should not be taken seriously...

There's room for it all...And no one should get clowned for utilizing it...

But when u have folks on this very board using advanced statistics to push dumb ass agendas, it becomes a drag and just plain idiotic...

It paints stat heads unfairly...And that's a shame...

that does.

yet shit on the stat that measures it. Frankly, I think that we've become too obsessed with efficiency. It's possible to be inefficient and GOOD at the same time. If you're talented enough you can afford a bit of inefficiency.

hint: you won't.

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>
>Just letting you know.
>
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>
>
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>
>
>
>
>"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."
>
>(C)Keith Murray, "

I understand it.

But that's what this is.

Niggas mad Carmelo got that patch.

And its in the books forever. Now we gonna shape-shift
and create new angles.

And if the Knicks beat the Pacers, we gonna shape shift
again to something about Carmelo vs. Lebron or Wade or
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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

(C)Keith Murray, "

>And if the Knicks beat the Pacers, we gonna shape shift
again to something about Carmelo vs. Lebron or Wade or
some shit

man, i have NO players in this thing to cyse. deng and booz going home early. batty is BORING and inconspicuous, to be kind. durant and russy ain't cysable for a good month. i can't wait that long.

knicks are the livest subject on this board. c'mon...it's me.

"i gets mine, larry"

I can't shake the residual DC-Baltimore feel to this
agenda, I'm sorry

Like, Carmelo is a first ballot hall of famer, right today

And you stay talking about how "he ain't as good as he was
supposed to be"

Lebron is Lebron. He's a god. You are actually upset at
Carmelo for not being as good at Lebron

It just ain't natural B

>
>I can't shake the residual DC-Baltimore feel to this
>agenda, I'm sorry
>
>Like, Carmelo is a first ballot hall of famer, right today
>
>And you stay talking about how "he ain't as good as he was
>supposed to be"
>
>Lebron is Lebron. He's a god. You are actually upset at
>Carmelo for not being as good at Lebron
>
>It just ain't natural B


This is true...

If their careers were the same length, absolutely Melo would be above Ray. But I think the two big parts that make Ray first ballot are his duration as an All-Star (ten out of twelve years) and his title.

I'd say Melo is currently in, and assuming nothing bad happens (knock on wood), he's a HOFer first ballot. I just wouldn't put his résumé above Ray's yet.

He's obviously got a better résumé than Reggie though. That's a given.

>If their careers were the same length, absolutely Melo would
>be above Ray. But I think the two big parts that make Ray
>first ballot are his duration as an All-Star (ten out of
>twelve years) and his title.
>
>I'd say Melo is currently in, and assuming nothing bad happens
>(knock on wood), he's a HOFer first ballot. I just wouldn't
>put his résumé above Ray's yet.
>
>He's obviously got a better résumé than Reggie though. That's
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Occupy Big Government..

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No MVP has not been inducted. In 1997, one former MVP was left off the NBA @ 50 list (and that was an oversight IMO, McAdoo).

So yes, historically, Nash has made himself a mortal lock and a stronger bet than Anthony, although both will get in.

it's for the children!

i turned anti-melo just last year. i used to ride for him on this very board...against lebron. and i been here since 2004.

if it were a b-more thing, i'd throw KD out there against him every chance i got, but it's just never of any interest to me.

no proof. but, your feelings are your feelings.

>
>no proof. but, your feelings are your feelings.

Wisdom honed in the fiery pits of Death Valley

You posting with that School of B stinky stale hot
dog buns wisdom

Still better than most, I admit

But I can tell the difference

Edit: Wait, I think you were School of C. You sorta
act like a School of C nigga, no problems with them

Death Valley, nigga. Strapped with the TI-85

this is the series of events that led to this...

1. isiah got fired...i hate the knicks. for real. hate them. no...no...i gotta be specific. i love Bluesman Jimmy...like woodson...houston...the "franchise" is cool. the execs. i do not like NYC media and fans that hated on zeke from day one or even those that turned on him. they thought they got rid of "the problem."...well, we it's been 5 years...still no title. they ain't NEVER winning one. they the knicks. wasn't zeke fault.

2. NYC media continues to bother zeke after he's gone. they accuse him of suicide attemps and report on EVERY DAMN GAME he has at FIU...just petty stuff. and knick fans eat it up. well, now, i'mma be petty. see how that goes.

3. Bron won. i no longer can cyse melo against him in good conscience. melo is dropped from my stable of NBA agenda pawns.

4. knicks fans be gettin cysed too much and actin like they contenders, then get scared and act like they just happy it ain't the isiah days no more...NAH...Y'ALL CONTENDERS. and you gonna get fried like contenders get fried when y'all lose.

5. i didn't "hate" on melo until his fast start and idiots were screaming MVP. crazy talk. actin like he a rare superstar. he's a gunner who gets hot now and then. that's it. i've seen plenty of those.

all he gotta do outplay george and get his team to the ECF...that all there is to it. that's a good season. no shame in playing to your seed.

so shouldn't you hate them too?

fair enough.

George being "more conducive to winning," I mean, that sounds less like an opinion and more like a matter of fact to me.

EW YORK — Overrated ball hog.

This is Carmelo Anthony. He doesn’t seem to be a bad guy. He is not the devil. He’s probably going to shoot the Knicks past the Celtics in the first round of these NBA playoffs.

But he’s not going to be an NBA champion. He’s not one of the all-time greats. He appears to be incapable of doing anything to help his team unless he has the ball in his hands.

Who are the best NBA players who never passed the basketball? Larry Bird and Magic Johnson made teammates better with their passing skills. LeBron James is a great passer. Even Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant gave it up once in a while. Wilt Chamberlain — who averaged 50 points a game in a season — managed to lead the league in assists when he decided he’d done everything else. Oscar Robertson averaged a triple-double over a full season. Tiny Archibald led the league in scoring and assists in the same season.

Not Melo. He plays like an only child. He cannot share the ball. He knows he’s better than all of his teammates and he plays like a man intent on doing it all by himself. He either has the basketball, or he’s demanding the basketball. The Knicks’ offense is Melo pounding, and four guys standing around watching.

Melo’s 36-point, one-assist performance in Saturday’s 85-78 Game 1 tractor-pull/victory over the Celtics was a perfect demonstration of Anthony’s amazing skills and his eternal limitations. He burst from the gate, draining his first four shots. Then he missed 15 of 20 shots. Then he came back, making four of his last five. He hoisted 29 shots and didn’t pass for a basket until he fired a bullet to Kenyon Martin in the final minute of play.

This is one of the reasons Anthony’s teams have lost in the first round of the playoffs in eight of the nine times he has been in the postseason. Anthony led the NBA in scoring average this season with 28.7 points per game, while averaging a career-low 2.6 assists. Saturday he had one assist for every 29 shots and missed 16 shots.

In many ways, this makes him the perfect face of the 2012-13 Knicks. There is a sense of desperation about this New York basketball team. Today’s Knicks have a lot of veterans and played well at the end of this regular season. It was the Knicks’ best regular season in a decade and a half. The Knicks play in a fabled arena and have fans who know basketball and love the game. But the Knicks haven’t won a playoff series since 2000.

They know they should beat the Celtics — who have lost (including Saturday) 7 of 10 and 12 of their last 18 games.

Melo’s one-on-one style infects his teammates and it makes these Knicks the antithesis of the 1970s Knicks teams, which featured moving without the ball, pick-and-rolls, backdoor cuts, and hitting the open man. It’s hard to imagine Anthony blending with Bill Bradley, Dave DeBusschere, and Willis Reed. The 1970s Knicks were the Supremes. Today’s Knicks are Diana Ross and the Supremes.

And Melo is the Supreme Diva.

The Celtics bumped him out of his rhythm after his early flurry in Game 1, but coach Doc Rivers was taking no bows for superior defense on Anthony.

“He made three shots that only him, and Paul , maybe you could name 10 guys who could make those shots,’’ Rivers said Sunday at the Celtics’ swank hotel in New York. (The Celtics are sharing hotel space with the Chicago Bulls, who were spanked by the Nets Saturday night.)

“He’ll probably continue to make those. The ones we need to take away are the two threes he got on offensive rebounds. He got another one off a loose ball when they swung it out to him. Those are the ones that hurt. He had one in the fourth when Jeff loaded to the ball and he lost sight of Carmelo and Carmelo got the little elbow shot. You can see the shots that he got that you don’t want him to have, and you can see the shots that he made where you tip your hat to him and say, ‘That’s why you’re Carmelo Anthony.’ ’’

Everybody in New York tips their cap to Melo. For a guy who’s never won anything in the pros — playing for a franchise that hasn’t won a championship since 1973 — Anthony is wildly popular. He’s cooperative with the media and has demonstrated proper respect toward former Knicks great Bernard King — the best player on the Knicks team that pushed Larry Bird’s championship Celtics to seven games in a conference semifinal series in 1984.

“Boston knows Melo and knows he is not going anywhere,’’ Knicks coach Mike Woodson said. “They are going to be making it as tough as possible for him to score the ball. When we got into a tough stretch, he made the plays we needed him to make. That’s what the great ones do.”

The true greats win championships. The overrated ball hogs do not.

he wrote...

Many of the points he makes are the ones I've been making for the last 4 yrs. on this board concerning Carmelo but I get accused of having an agenda. Melo is a volume shooter who doesn't excel at any other part of the game as evidenced by his career low 2.6apg and his 6.2rpg....he's able to be a better rebounder, and although he isn't by any means a great passer, he's still a good enough passer to have improved in that area over his career (see: Kevin Durant)...and doing those things along w/a season long commitment to defense is what separates the All-Star players from the true elite players and the reason why Melo hasn't been viewed as being amongst the top tier of players in the league for the better part of his career.

I've also said that when Melo is "on" and not forcing the issue he can be the best player on the floor but, unfortunately, because he's a volume gunner, he's going to find ways to get his points even when he's not on but the problem has been that he gets his at the expense of the team's offensive flow, thus the reason he's labeled a "ball stopper."

A heavier handed, more articulate version of my own thoughts watching that game though.

i do think a player of his talent should be leading a dynasty, not getting props (if he does it) for willing a team through a few playoff series.

i mean bron already did that damn near a decade ago and melo really should be right behind him.

but he's still got some time to step it up.

Someone pls show me a season where melo had an above avg pg?

but andre miller and chauncey billups are certainly good pieces at point. even a.i. probably gets a westbrook exception even in denver. he just never played with a pure superstar point.

last year was weird.

He's had toney Douglas and baron Davis the last 2 seasons...with an injured amare Stoudemire. I'm sorry but the only way we have a shot in either series is if melo goes nuts.

I also know that he went to the wcf his 1st year with bill ups.

Melo actually listens to woody so if woody thinks he shoots too much, he'd tell him.

he shoots more now than any player in the entire league -- and has THREE PGs. putting him with distributors just makes the chucking more frequent!

That's part of the reason he does shoot so much.

if he has a bad pg or a good pg or a shooting pg or a passing pg, the result is the same: melo gunnin

I'd be happy with either one...Felton too inconsistent

You talking bout prig and Kidd lmao...you agendaing like crazy.

kidd's fucking great, stop shitting on the knicks' best players to boost up that greedy chucker.

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/compare?utf8=%E2%9C%93&player_ids%5B%5D=175&player_ids%5B%5D=211&player_ids%5B%5D=202&player_ids%5B%5D=60&player_ids%5B%5D=348&player_ids%5B%5D=252&player_ids%5B%5D=148&player_ids%5B%5D=238&player_ids%5B%5D=92

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he's an above average scorer who takes a ton of shots and doesn't do anything else particularly well. i don't think you even disagree with me on that description. but why do you insist on being dishonest to big him up?

melo doesn't have a legit second scorer? amare averaged 17 last year and JR averaged 18 this season. what would qualify as having a "second scorer," then? even lin averaged 15 a game in NY last year.

melo hasn't had a point guard? as i just showed you, kidd-although he doesn't play crazy minutes--has been one of the better PGs in the NBA this season. his assist/turnover is stellar, he scores at an average rate, he's top ten in steals, he's a master of controlling the flow. to diminish what he's done for the knicks this year is disgraceful. yeah, he old and limited. so what. prig is solid. felton sucks, but is a legit NBA PG. lin is decent. and melo played with andre miller and billups in denver.

DOG, HE'S PLAYED WITH (PROBABLY) THREE HALL OF FAME PGS

>he's an above average scorer who takes a ton of shots and
>doesn't do anything else particularly well. i don't think you
>even disagree with me on that description. but why do you
>insist on being dishonest to big him up?

yup i'm the dishonest one...lol

>
>melo doesn't have a legit second scorer? amare averaged 17
>last year and JR averaged 18 this season. what would qualify
>as having a "second scorer," then? even lin averaged 15 a game
>in NY last year.

was amare healthy in the playoffs last year or the year before? no

>
>melo hasn't had a point guard? as i just showed you,
>kidd-although he doesn't play crazy minutes--has been one of
>the better PGs in the NBA this season. his assist/turnover is
>stellar, he scores at an average rate, he's top ten in steals,
>he's a master of controlling the flow. to diminish what he's
>done for the knicks this year is disgraceful. yeah, he old and
>limited. so what. prig is solid. felton sucks, but is a legit
>NBA PG. lin is decent. and melo played with andre miller and
>billups in denver.

lol you just called kidd one of the better pgs in the nba this year lmmfao.
Lin missed the playoffs
Prig don't shoot playing shooting guard(i wonder who makes up for those shots?)
I don't know about denver, i do know that he made the wcf with billups...kinda backs my point.

i'm not caught up in that debate. i will say that it's funny you cop pleas for the supporting cast while criticizing d'antoni, though.

but why have you been unwilling or unable to explain why melo, out of all the league's 20 big-time scorers, is ranked last in "wins"? i mean, why is that? and why is his contribution to the knicks' success this season so minuscule in comparison to tyson and kidd by that metric?

instead of saying "well, then its a bad stat," can you tell me why melo is the only elite player who comes up comically short? lebron, durant, CP3, harden...all those guys are near or at the top. why is melo so underrated, then?

but yeah, melo plays the same with whatever PG he's with. it's not like lebron has played with a single PG better than kidd, billups or miller at any point in his career.

again in ny...i don't know or care about denver.

I blamed d'antoni for the knicks losing in the playoffs???...no. I blamed d'antoni for having an 18-24 record though last season lmao.

oh win shares..i thought that was one of the bad advanced stats?

I'd assume that melo's win shares stat would be one that needs explanation like um, your boy ai's lol

lol comparing lebron to melo again i see. If that is the comparison then Melo already won.



>i'm not caught up in that debate. i will say that it's funny
>you cop pleas for the supporting cast while criticizing
>d'antoni, though.
>
>but why have you been unwilling or unable to explain why melo,
>out of all the league's 20 big-time scorers, is ranked last in
>"wins"? i mean, why is that? and why is his contribution to
>the knicks' success this season so minuscule in comparison to
>tyson and kidd by that metric?
>
>instead of saying "well, then its a bad stat," can you tell me
>why melo is the only elite player who comes up comically
>short? lebron, durant, CP3, harden...all those guys are near
>or at the top. why is melo so underrated, then?
>
>but yeah, melo plays the same with whatever PG he's with. it's
>not like lebron has played with a single PG better than kidd,
>billups or miller at any point in his career.

>DOG, HE'S PLAYED WITH (PROBABLY) THREE HALL OF FAME PGS

a) Jason Kidd has played off the ball this year, in the
2-guard role 75% of the time

You don't watch the games.


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>b) Carmelo never played with Andre Miller in Denver

03-06 happened. lol.

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I mean to say in his prime <---yeah, good enough

Nah, sike, my bad

Point stands, though

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go plat lol

>a) Jason Kidd has played off the ball this year, in the
>2-guard role 75% of the time
>You don't watch the games.

jason kidd has shot 9 more times this season that Tyson Chandler. he's got the lowest usage of any knicks regular. he's there to move the ball, dont be dishonest.

>b) Carmelo never played with Andre Miller in Denver
>
>LOL LOL LOL LO

um, what?

>
>>a) Jason Kidd has played off the ball this year, in the
>>2-guard role 75% of the time
>>You don't watch the games.
>
>jason kidd has shot 9 more times this season that Tyson
>Chandler. he's got the lowest usage of any knicks regular.
>he's there to move the ball, dont be dishonest.

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>jason kidd has shot 9 more times this season that Tyson Chandler. he's got the lowest usage of any knicks regular. he's there to move the ball, dont be dishonest.

jason kidd is one of the greatest distributors in NBA, nay, basketball history - T or F

oe said that he's been playing off the ball mostly which he has though. lol

i have no dog in this race...i actually like carmelo and im happy paul george is taking the "step"

but the amount of dribbling jason kidd does in a game is not that relevant given the fact that he's still setting the table for the rest of the offense at a fairly high rate

>but the amount of dribbling jason kidd does in a game is not that relevant given the fact that he's still setting the table for the rest of the offense at a fairly high rate

at a high rate compared to what? Its at a high rate compared to setting up his own shot, but not at a high rate compared to other pgs or felton. He just doesn't have the ball in his hands that much which is what oe's point was.

>>but the amount of dribbling jason kidd does in a game is not
>that relevant given the fact that he's still setting the table
>for the rest of the offense at a fairly high rate
>
>at a high rate compared to what? Its at a high rate compared
>to setting up his own shot, but not at a high rate compared to
>other pgs or felton. He just doesn't have the ball in his
>hands that much which is what oe's point was.

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the point is that when the ball IS in his hands, Carmelo has Kidd's playmaking skills at his disposal

i just re-read and Guin never insinuated that Jason Kidd was running the knicks. he did say that carmelo has the benefit of Kidd's playmaking.

and thats true

the knicks are really flawed and its a testament to Melo that they won a division title without any post offense and their most athletic player in the training room for most of the year.

saying that Melo has the benefit of playing with one of the games great distributors doesnt detract from his season imo

<saying that Melo has the benefit of playing with one of the games great distributors doesnt detract from his season imo

sure kidd is a great distributor but he is distributing <5% of game time because the ball is not in his hands for most of the limited time that he's on the court.

its like saying CP3 is playing with one of the most versatile sf of all time...obviously more extreme but you get the gist.

>the point is that when the ball IS in his hands, Carmelo has
>Kidd's playmaking skills at his disposal
>
>i just re-read and Guin never insinuated that Jason Kidd was
>running the knicks. he did say that carmelo has the benefit
>of Kidd's playmaking.
>
>and thats true

Wrong.

What makes Carmelo Anthony good is that he has as diverse
an offensive arsenal as anyone in the league, can score
from anywhere. He doesn't need the ball in any particular
situation or space in order to score. This is why D'Antoni
had Carmelo playing point forward.

So he doesn't benefit from wizard playmaking, the same
way Kobe doesn't benefit from Nash. Kobe can score when
he wants.

This is different than even Lebron, who can benefit from
a playmaker.

So Carmelo actually doesn't really need Kidd to do shit
but give him the ball on the perimeter. Or dump it to him
in the post. You don't need a great playmaker to do that.

You'd know that if you watched the games.

Kidd has been great because of his shooting, his defense,
his leadership and his overall good decision making.

But to say that Carmelo owes his output to Kidd passing
to him on the perimeter is a lie.

>the knicks are really flawed and its a testament to Melo that
>they won a division title without any post offense and their
>most athletic player in the training room for most of the
>year.

Carmelo is actually the post scorer too.

>saying that Melo has the benefit of playing with one of the
>games great distributors doesnt detract from his season imo

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this is the only track ive been on lol

my entire participation in this thread was re: jason kidd

i agreed with an objective component of what guinny was saying

but i havent cosigned a single statement he made about carmelo

>>the point is that when the ball IS in his hands, Carmelo
>has
>>Kidd's playmaking skills at his disposal
>>
>>i just re-read and Guin never insinuated that Jason Kidd was
>>running the knicks. he did say that carmelo has the benefit
>>of Kidd's playmaking.
>>
>>and thats true
>
>Wrong.
>
>What makes Carmelo Anthony good is that he has as diverse
>an offensive arsenal as anyone in the league, can score
>from anywhere. He doesn't need the ball in any particular
>situation or space in order to score. This is why D'Antoni
>had Carmelo playing point forward.
>So he doesn't benefit from wizard playmaking, the same
>way Kobe doesn't benefit from Nash. Kobe can score when
>he wants.
>This is different than even Lebron, who can benefit from
>a playmaker.
>So Carmelo actually doesn't really need Kidd to do shit
>but give him the ball on the perimeter. Or dump it to him
>in the post. You don't need a great playmaker to do that.

you're arguing against another point i never made. i never said melo needs kidd to get him the ball in good spots. i said he benefits from kidd's playmaking abilities.

do you have a coherent argument against that statement?

no, because its objectively true.

Melo doesnt need the ball in any particular spots, but his teammates do.

>You'd know that if you watched the games.

lol i love when u go to this well.

>Kidd has been great because of his shooting, his defense,
>his leadership and his overall good decision making.

thank you

>But to say that Carmelo owes his output to Kidd passing
>to him on the perimeter is a lie.

good thing i never once said it then lmao


>Carmelo is actually the post scorer too.

as i said, critically flawed

>>saying that Melo has the benefit of playing with one of the
>>games great distributors doesnt detract from his season imo
>That is precisely what Guinness was arguing, though.

precisely what *guiness* was arguing. exactly.

My work is done here.

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>not my first day here bro, im well aware that there is only
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but its a good way to avoid addressing any of the number of *actual points i DID make*

>but its a good way to avoid addressing any of the number of
>*actual points i DID make*

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so adios amigo

>jason kidd is one of the greatest distributors in NBA, nay,
>basketball history - T or F

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Claiming Shawn Marion wasn't a stretch 4
Claiming Clams Casino and SpaceGhostPurp produced for Keef
Claiming ASAP Rocky was never influenced by Bone Thugs
Posting 76399 times in a post about Django without seeing the movie

And now claiming Melo neve played with Andre Miller. Amazing, since they're apparently his two favorite players. Huh.

>Claiming Shawn Marion wasn't a stretch 4

He wasn't.

>Claiming Clams Casino and SpaceGhostPurp produced for Keef

Who is Keef

>Claiming ASAP Rocky was never influenced by Bone Thugs

Who is ASAP

>Posting 76399 times in a post about Django without seeing the
>movie

Saw it, broke it down beautifully for 85% of the population

>And now claiming Melo neve played with Andre Miller. Amazing,
>since they're apparently his two favorite players. Huh.

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Its up there with "Jason Kidd is the 2nd Best Knick next to Chandler.

At least he at times owns up to his crazy talk and L's....

U on the other hand....

if we're going to use TEAM SUCCESS to evaluate INDIVIDUALS playing a team sport, let's be consistent w/ the shit. don't just use it when it supports your agenda.

melo stay one-and-doneing, cats are gonna talk about it. period. these ain't aberrant instances. it's a career spanning pattern.

expectations change, the higher you get on the food chain. he wants to be classified in a certain echelon of nigga, he needs to start final fouring. CONSISTENTLY.

i don't know. maybe they need to bring baldwin in the locker room, give dude the glengarry speech or something. "STARTING TONIGHT! STARTING WITH TONIGHT'S SIT! YOU HEAR ME, YOU FUCKIN' FAGGOT?"

his book is obv still being written. he's got chapters to go. needs to throw some final fours on his rezzy over these next few campaigns tho, if he wants to be counted at the end of the day amongst the truly TRULY live niggas of his era.

he's the 2 seed. nobody cares what folx thought of the knicks in the preseason, so y'all knock that off. that ship's sailed. it's april.

again : EXPECTATIONS CHANGE

he the 2. he don't win 2 rds, and give bron a halfway decent series and that boy getting beer battered and fricasseed. y'all aint gotta like it, but it is what it is.

he scores. if he didn't have lousy shot selection, he'd be incredible at it -- not just a very good scorer who takes tons of shots. but the problem isn't the ball-hogging, it's that he doesn't do anything else very well.

that nbageek "wins" metric isn't the end-all-be-all, but there's *something* to the fact that he's ranked dead last in "wins" out of the top 20 scorers in the NBA. knicks fans simply say the stat is worthless without explaining why melo, among every single other elite scorer, is being singled out.

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but that's not true either.

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http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=9200910

He sounded weak and lacked confidence behind his statements.

"I knowwwww (my comments) was over the top"

"I just dont like his game that much"

lolz

oh aiight

"i haven't seen him enough...."

"its a small petty thing" about something he wrote a whole article about

dude took an L

>"i haven't seen him enough...."
>
>"its a small petty thing" about something he wrote a whole
>article about
>
>dude took an L


best line right there

>I believe Paul George plays a brand of basketball more
>conducive to winning than Melo.

?

must be a magical place

i get fried more than anyone on this board when i'm wrong. i mean, have you not seen this? so, i gotta be the one to cyse me when i'm right...why not? who else gonna do it for me? it's nice when folks gimme props for being right, but for the most part, y'all CB my Ws and party of Ls. i'm fine with that. why you not?

this is just about your feelings.

that doesn't necessarily make him a better player than Westbrook though.

OKC don't get past the spurs with MCJ...crazy talk.

>OKC don't get past the spurs with MCJ...crazy talk.

yeah they probably do.

no diss to MCJ, but DAMN!

read post #166 again.

melo don't do that. russ plays winning ball for the most part. he can't help being crazy, like melo can't help being lazy.

Conley plays smarter. And it's not a direct comparison to Melo. I was questioning your methodology.

russ does way more than that.

it's not a direct comparison to melo. i was questioning your methodology.


and russy still play dumb.

i said melo plays a style that is simply NOT conducive to winning and you tried baiting me into a argument about who style is MORE conducive to winning: russ or conley. they BOTH play a style conducive to winning, the degree to which i'm not interested in debating.

so that's just a simple miscommunication. and I wasn't debating degree either: I was saying that while Conley' STYLE of play is more conducive to winning (i.e. "he plays the right way") Westbrook is still the better player.

>so that's just a simple miscommunication. but I wasn't
>debating degree either: I was saying that while Conley' STYLE
>of play is more conducive to winning (i.e. "he plays the right
>way") Westbrook is still the better player.

I see your vision, dog....

and who's to say conley's conservative playing style is "better" than russy's aggresive style?

and WHY is westbrook the better player?

the logic is pretty straightforward.

>and who's to say conley's conservative playing style is
>"better" than russy's aggresive style?

you mean how conley's composed, controlled playing style is better than russy's wild, out of control style?


>and WHY is westbrook the better player?

because he runs fast and jumps high?

>the logic is pretty straightforward.
>
>>and who's to say conley's conservative playing style is
>>"better" than russy's aggresive style?
>
>you mean how conley's composed, controlled playing style is
>better than russy's wild, out of control style?

conley's poise has cracked plenty of times. his style is conservative and he limits himself. he's athletic and talented enough to be a very good scorer.


>
>>and WHY is westbrook the better player?
>
>because he runs fast and jumps high?

eric bledoe runs faster and jumps higher than mike conley too. so does nate rob. and kemba.

>>>and WHY is westbrook the better player?
>>
>>because he runs fast and jumps high?
>
>eric bledoe runs faster and jumps higher than mike conley too.
>so does nate rob. and kemba.

that was a riff on your jabs at NJJ

http://www.egotripland.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/russell-westbrook.jpg


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Same as it ever was!

>that doesn't necessarily make him a better player than
>Westbrook though.


Man...it's fun coming across a nice trap....

russ been to a NBA finals. he wins. melo don't. proof is there.

Wrong dude homie....My agenda with Russy is looooooong gone...Dude is a freak of nature and it's clear he will be one of the reasons why OKC will get that trophy one day...Not more than KD, but def. important...

Nah....it's just funny...U shit on Melo for being a "ball hog"....And yet u look the other way with Russy and Kyrie gunning....

The difference though? I understand that OKC's and Cleveland's teams need for those guys to gun out...And really....My past issues with Russy had nothing to do with his gunning...It's his off-and-on decision making on the court...

Beyond that...I got no beef with your views on Melo because u r pretty cut and dry with the I. Thomas fundamentalism....

I just find the irony funny, though...

melo got a solid team around him. ain't nothing but "mad" compelling you to compare him and kyrie.

>melo got a solid team around him. ain't nothing but "mad"
>compelling you to compare him and kyrie.

The Melo angle we will agree to disagree on....

I'm talking more about your Conley comment...Like another poster said, your whole methodology (Paul George being better than Melo) should clear the road for the Memphis PG being better than Russy or Kyrie...Which btw, would be as laughable as saying Paul George is better than Melo....I would not agree with such a statement....

U got that hair trigger dog...My comparison was no diss to Kyrie at all...Or even Russy...It was me questioning YOUR thought process...The irony was too rich to pass up...

Ya dig, homie?

and how each individuals employs them. melo has reduced himself to being a scorer, despite having the personal around him to be a far more effective teammate. george plays in a manner that takes advantage of west's elbow jumper and hibby's great hands...and his uses his live athletic body to DEFEND, on and off ball.

so, there's no theoretical "play the right way" we basing all this off, dogg. mel, in year--what 11?--DON'T play D has hard as he should. DON'T FIND OPEN TEAMMATES.

but, y'all can keep tryna derail. all he gotta do is make the ECF.

1a. conley at his best is like 2a in memphis and sometimes he's their fourth most important guy on the floor.

read my post again.

and you kinda highlighted my point, OKC is better with Russ being 1b but he thinks and plays like he's 1a. Conley is a 2a/3 in Memphis and plays accordingly.

there's no need for thinking yourself into knots on this.

russell westbrook wins more than any player in this post, has been further in the playoffs than anyone else in this post, and is the favorite to do it again this year.

if he's winning, what he does is conducive to winning. it's really that simple.

the lakers didn't have a point guard. the spurs didn't have a pass-first point guard. miami has half the team playing point guard half the time. it's not westbrook's style of play and priorities that get in the way...he needs to do all the same things 90% of the time and make better decisions about shot selection and passes the other 10% of the time. but that's a MUCH SMALLER hole in his game than these people out here would have you believe.

chris paul is the only point guard i'm sure would make okc better. i can't imagine tony or kyrie or steph, all of whom i love, being more successful. i certainly can't imagine conley being more successful unless you're cheating on some salary cap bullshit.

bas is only able to troll on this melo versus paul george thing because there are reasonable people who could see indiana advancing in the playoffs beyond the knicks. there is reasonable doubt about melo's ability to lead and adapt, which is making people act crazy.

melo wins, this whole thread is moot. what he did was conducive to winning.

>there's no need for thinking yourself into knots on this.

LOL - no knots, it's pretty straightforward.


>russell westbrook wins more than any player in this post, has
>been further in the playoffs than anyone else in this post,
>and is the favorite to do it again this year.
>
>if he's winning, what he does is conducive to winning. it's
>really that simple.

Westbrook has won more than Chris Paul too, does that mean his style of play is more conducive to winning than CP3's?


> the lakers didn't have a point guard. the spurs didn't have a
>pass-first point guard. miami has half the team playing point
>guard half the time. it's not westbrook's style of play and
>priorities that get in the way...he needs to do all the same
>things 90% of the time and make better decisions about shot
>selection and passes the other 10% of the time. but that's a
>MUCH SMALLER hole in his game than these people out here would
>have you believe.
>
>chris paul is the only point guard i'm sure would make okc
>better. i can't imagine tony or kyrie or steph, all of whom i
>love, being more successful. i certainly can't imagine conley
>being more successful unless you're cheating on some salary
>cap bullshit.

looks like you're the one thinking yourself into knots here.

chris paul suffered from new orleans, injury, and now crying ass fake-post players. but even with alllllll those legitimate excuses....

YES if the spurs or thunder come out of the west with parker or westbrook balling OF COURSE there will be people who rightly want to claim either dude as better. just like rose and deron were "better" before. because basketball is a game where things like winning, over a career, fucking matter.

you still haven't made the subtle point you think you're making. probably because it's an obvious, blunt point.

melo being a decade into a career and not winning is a much bigger club for me to swing with when making obvious, blunt points.

>chris paul suffered from new orleans, injury, and now crying
>ass fake-post players. but even with alllllll those legitimate
>excuses....

NOPE! russell westbrook wins more than chris paul, has been further in the playoffs than cp3, and is the favorite to do it again this year. if he's winning, what he does is conducive to winning. it's really that simple.

>YES if the spurs or thunder come out of the west with parker
>or westbrook balling OF COURSE there will be people who
>rightly want to claim either dude as better.

of course they'll want to claim it. rightly? not so much.

just like rose
>and deron were "better" before. because basketball is a game
>where things like winning, over a career, fucking matter.

so then paul pierce was better than lebron was in cleveland?

>you still haven't made the subtle point you think you're
>making. probably because it's an obvious, blunt point.

my point was actually pretty straightforward. probably why you missed it to begin with, because you think you're arguing against some "subtle" point that wasn't being made in the first place.

>melo being a decade into a career and not winning is a much
>bigger club for me to swing with when making obvious, blunt
>points.

well it's certainly a much more overly simplistic one.

(post #166 btw)

I'm still shocked how the amount of irrational hate for Melo has made me a fan of dude....


But fuck the Knicks, though.....

that's all there is to it.

melo is a superstar. george is just some kid who elicits scoffs from y'all when we compare him to melo.

just play to the seeding and melo will not be fried. that's really the end of it.

I mean, we want to debate your original point, but we
have people telling us that Jason Kidd standing around
and throwing to Carmelo on the perimeter is the reason he
won the scoring title.

I don't think you were really up on how irrational the
disdain is for Carmelo. If you were, I guarantee it would
have changed your approach here

You outlined the ontogeny of your hate. Very school of B,
but you were transparent and I respect it.

But your friends in here missed an armpit when applying
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everybody GOTTA have the perfect situation, don't they? man, they the #2 seed...play to it. that's what this thread about.

i'm willing to get fried if the knicks beat the pacers next round. other side coppin pleas. c'mon man.

i'm actually bout a win from making a post about how they gonna choke against the celts, so...there's that.

than to you.

My response to your post is post 1 and 31.

You posted about a topic, Melo, where a bunch of other convo's on him where already happening, so 'derailment' was inevitable. I don't think any knick fans and melo fans are arguing with what you actually said although as i already explained it ain't that simple.

at least you getting 100+ posts outta this thread lol

>but we
>have people telling us that Jason Kidd standing around
>and throwing to Carmelo on the perimeter is the reason he
>won the scoring title.

but also OE loudly proclaimed that melo never played with andre miller. he's not a gentleman who puts a lot of emphasis on facts, which is a very liberating rhetorical weapon.

well anywhere on the court aside from the 3 is better than melo?
lol yeah sure.

his TS% is 53%, which is exactly average. melo is 56%.

their advanced shooting numbers are pretty similar and so are win shares this year, which was a career high for melo (9.5 vs 9 for george). i dont see melo winning this battle on efficiency. on volume, obviously, yes.

http://ww2.hdnux.com/photos/03/22/73/863957/0/960x595.jpg

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http://www.pictureshack.us/images/49027_td.gif

"Can't wait" - Bart Scott.

NBA needs to schedule start times better

it's bad enough I could only watch half of the games 6s on friday

but with only 2 games today

is it that hard to schedule the start time for after the first game actually finished?

.

Damn my W about to undermine this entire agenda war

I got a post to prove it

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http://tinyurl.com/cljktrv

i know y'all waiting for game 2, but it's gonna happen again. he smarter, younger, faster.

.

when he tries to post up. He has good footwork, but he isn't big enough to post-up given that he's the power forward now that Amar'e isn't a starter anymore.

DEAL WITH IT

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Like betting on red and black at the same time?

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i was just pointing out that you had a guy on each side without opinion of the timing of your agenda. sorry if my post made it sound five minutes old when it's actually ten.

instead he missing dunks that KD and Bron make over earthbound 7 footers like Hibbs ALL THE TIME.

LMAO...hibbs ain't even have to do nuffin because melo vert prolly ain't even 30 inches no more...lmao...he just stand up real good and firm, hitting dat uhrdhva hastasana. dat 'SANA!!!

http://tinyurl.com/cnfsqnw

^^^^namaste

...lmao...he just stand up
>real good and firm, hitting dat uhrdhva hastasana. dat
>'SANA!!!
>
>http://tinyurl.com/cnfsqnw
>
>^^^^namaste
>

Doo it

Call him fat

CALL HIM FAT!!!

EDIT: you know who not fat? BORN READY

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for being one of the league's best scorers.

Maybe that's part of why he takes so many difficult shots.

He seems to miss a lot of bunnies around the bucket for someone who makes his living off putting up points.

Af Ams mixed too but at least slave masters in Alabama
was raping the best and the brightest sun goddesses

Spaniard niggas had bad taste

Shitty ass genes

Chick I'm going to see in PR is like 5'2 tops

And she's like the tallest person in her family


Nah


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but I have no evidence. Plus my expiration date on "Carlos Arroyo beating team USA" ran out 2 years ago.

http://tinyurl.com/ca6xy5t

http://rollingout.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Kevin-Durant-Dunks-On-Roy-Hibbert-1.jpeg


he don't even bother with bron...

http://sports.inquirer.net/files/2012/05/LeBron-James.jpg


KD walking around weight is 240...he plays at 235

Bron walking around weight is 260...he plays at 250

melo's walking around weight is who knows...and he plays at who really knows.

He had a better post game at 18 than Lebron does
TODAY.

Think about that.


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he went home and got fat and told people to stop snitchin.

2 of the greatest scorers ever

So that's sort of a dumbass point

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Jerry West played in the wilt era...

whatever the case, melo isnt even the most prolific scorer in his era...

when he retires, he will be a loser who was great at scoring..not exactly an all time great anything though

Log off.


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Carmelo's IQ was always ahead of his genes

But his genes were good enough to dominate
physically until the NBA

His ceiling is lower because of it

Carmelo pretty much maximized his talent

He's essentially a pudgy slow swingman with
quick hands and feet in the Chris Mullin mold

We MADE HIM some sort of "natural physical specimen"
because he's black

He's not

He got those awful Puerto Rican genes

Watch this nigga's waistline explode at 35


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Lil Larry: Well, I figure I'll never be able to jump 40 inches off the ground, so I really have no place in the game, especially with the way Dr. J. and Hawk and those guys bounce up and down the course. I mean, I can figure out clever ways to create space but it won't be enough to make up any ground on those guys. I'll be a farmer and I'll be happy.

Lil Magic: MOMMA, I'mma go to Broadway and be a big star. Who need bassetball?!?!

Every one of my arguments still stands.

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It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

By no definition is that disappointing.

None.

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lots of Hall of Famers didn't max out their potential. or even come close. Melo will be in that group.

http://tinyurl.com/cjo449n

Yup. (c) Floyd

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>
>By no definition is that disappointing.
>
>None.
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>
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That kind of falloff can tweak any standard definition
of goodness/greatness.

AI was absolutely dreadful on the way out.

And not because of a loss of athleticism. He's more
athletic than half of NBA guards RIGHT TODAY.

He fell off because his skill set is the least adaptable
of any "star" in history.

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If you put in 14-15 seasons, pretty much all of them at all star level (couple injuries in there), you don't NEED any further "definition" of your greatness. It's funny to think about guys who didn't even get that far and had even more drastic falloffs than AI (Michael Ray Richardson, David Thompson, Vin Baker, Shawn Kemp et al) and read what you wrote.

had even more
>drastic falloffs than AI (Michael Ray Richardson, David
>Thompson, Vin Baker, Shawn Kemp et al) and read what you
>wrote.

Iverson was NOT A SUBSTANCE ABUSER at the time

That's now why

He fell off because he was a TERRIBLE teammate with
the LEAST adaptive game in the history of the league

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you can play this game alone.

well, let's just say I'm enjoying your 'first ballot HOF' defense.

We'll leave it there......for now.

he loves losers.

let me obviate weak ass anti-AI reply by pointing out that Melo has yet to surpass his total series won, despite the fact that iverson played on wack teams from 02 onward with few if any exceptions. in fact in the conference title year alone, iverson won as many series as melo has in his entire career.

I'd be mad if I was you too.

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didn't matter what happened in denver and melo has a lot to thank iverson for (getting him the pieces he needed to vaguely win something for once in his NBA career, saving his ass from missing the playoffs after he stupidly got suspended and probably plenty of hoes).

how much money you putting behind webber's first ballotness? i got a large stack that says he WAITS.

and Hibbert hit him in the face. but this was funny:

>LMAO...hibbs ain't even have to do nuffin because melo vert
>prolly ain't even 30 inches no more...lmao...he just stand up
>real good and firm, hitting dat uhrdhva hastasana. dat
>'SANA!!!
>
>http://tinyurl.com/cnfsqnw
>
>^^^^namaste

the others, tho...
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It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

so close. He fouled him by nba superstars at home standards though.

http://i.imgur.com/259rg6l.jpeg

convinced they'd ref the next round the same way.

mostly to add an accent to the owning Hibbert was in the middle of enjoying, probably.

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It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.

http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/2594007/melodunk.gif

Not bad for a chubbster

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Series totals so far.

Rebounding and not turning the ball over = conducive to winning? Do one dimensional gunners do those things?

He's not an alpha dog.

Nothing wrong with that.

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Not sure George is/can be

He's gets most of his point from outside & is more of a finesse player

>He's gets most of his point from outside & is more of a
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That is a lamer version of the defensive contribution Dirk made when he was getting roasted, no pass there.

He's outplayed George but he hasn't played well in about six of the eight quarters.

How can he turn the ball over when he shoots it? I notice there was no mention of his staggering two assists per game.

All he can do is score."

When he's averaging 10 rebounds per game in a series, I'll point it out in a thread where it's argued that he does nothing but score.

As for your turnover point...When you have the ball in your hands all the time and go to the basket a lot, the opportunity for turnovers is there regardless of if you "never pass". I mean, there's not much of a point for you there. George turned it over way too much in both games, and Melo didn't. Bottom line.

As for the assists.....Basically a wash so far, so wasn't relevant to bring up. The difference in rebounding and turnovers has been huge so far. Obviously Melo is going to shoot and score more, so I didn't bring that up either. Best believe if George was out rebounding Melo by 5.5 per game, and if Melo had 11 turnovers in two games it would be brought up by all the usual suspects who are dead silent right now.

i dont speak for other people, i've always looked at his rebounding and mentioned it. that is not to say it impresses me proportionate to the numbers, but yes, i acknowledge it's there.

how can you turn the ball over jacking up jumpers? i think my point was valid there and i'm not making excuses for george here. he has contributed very little offensively.

cant wait for the "i didnt really care about this, it was just something to pass the hours"

>cant wait for the "i didnt really care about this, it was
>just something to pass the hours"

you pressed, by the way.

of this thread's upside has me feeling like an antsy hockey center who keeps getting tossed from the faceoff by the ref getting ready to drop the puck.

C'mon, Knicks! Keep being the Knicks until they blow the whistle.

>C'mon, Knicks! Keep being the Knicks until they blow the
>whistle.

http://oi40.tinypic.com/2vkhzxe.jpg

Hibbert outplaying Chandler has been the story of the series.

It was an uneven performance, he filled the box score in good and bad ways.

He really hasn't had a very good series so far. I guess I have a higher opinion of his game and expect more out of him.

Some have already decided what the story is if Indiana wins, because what's actually happening so far doesnt fit in with the agenda.

I prefer talking about what actually happens, rather than trying to mold shit to fit an agenda.

AGAIN

Without Melo, the Knicks lose that game by 50. Felton was awful, JR is a disaster, and Chandler continues to get destroyed by Hibbert. Those were the stories of the game for why NY lost, not George/Melo. Keep reaching though. Your efforts to twist this are impressive.

most of the second half was academic. in the first half they had 22 points with like 4:30 to play (i changed the channel for a while at that point). they should feel terrible because they were terrible, anthony was also terrible. 6-16? zero big plays. terrible.

if Melo was willing or even capable to do that on the other end, ever......the Knicks would be more successful.

You might have an argument regarding this game or this series.

But nah.

Melo Scored.

In the first half.

Shot in the 30's percentage wise for the game, which is actually right around his postseason average in his 2013 'This Time It Counts' campaign.

Got his usual 4 or 5 rebounds.

Had one lonely dime, down from his damn-near two assist average.

-16 when he was in the game.

Hit zero shots after the first two minutes of the third quarter.

Paul George actually has other ways to affect a basketball game which is helpful when your shot ain't falling.

When you do that, attempts to boil a good game down comparatively to points or shooting percentage ring hollow.

Like another Baltimore product once famously said, 'you want it to be one way.....but it's the other way'.

Melo got you a 'Cuse title, you can be happy/satisfied with that.

Because on the NBA level, he pretty much is what he is now that we're a decade in.

A gifted motion-stopping, bad-shot-taking, ballhoggedy-chucker-loser who will never truly get it when there's enough time for it to make a difference.

This year was his chance to change that impression, however deep down much like the team he plays for nobody really takes him all that seriously when we're talking about winning.

However, if he can't even *get* to Miami as a two-seed with homecourt & them minus Granger.....then folks are gonna roast the shit out of him.

Not on the level of Lebron last couple seasons before a title but because he's in New York it's gonna come up more than a couple times.

Durant is actually praying for the Pacers right now so he might be able to hide a bit.

Now you were saying the Knicks would lose by 50 if they didn't have Melo.

And while you're obviously being hyperbolic on it I'm still not sure I agree, if you took Melo's money then dispersed it to other moving parts or even just split his minutes with Shump/Novak/Q I'd think at any given time you might get better ball movement and better defense.

Teams/guys also generally play better when they're doubted & also when they know they're gonna get the ball.

I'd imagine they could still find a way to lose in the low double-digits that they did without Carmelo's 16 shots plus 11 trips to the line to get 21 points mostly generated in the first half.

Definitely not 50.

Incidentally 50 is about the number of wins the Cavs had less of after Lebron left.

No bottom-line evidence (the Knicks record just before he got there, the Nugs record after he was gone) really indicates that he actually affects a team's fortune W/L-wise one way or the other all that much.

I'm not sure he swings things by 5 wins one way or the other, let alone something unprecedented like 50.

But if you actually *watch games* it's clear to see that he actually does affect things, in fact he affects damn near everything for any team he's playing on or against........he giveth (buckets, a board here or there).....but then he taketh (bad shots, other people's touches, most trips on the non-gettin-buckets-side-of-the-floor).

He will be missed.

Yeah, that's lava.

Think Carmelo Makes A Big Difference & Ya Playin Yaself.

they got felton's tubby ass back out there playing a major role and gallo could get off for 20 efficient points a night with chandler backing up a couple spots. lateral move for them that put all their eggs into two fragile baskets, one physically fragile and one mentally fragile.

They won 54 this year.

42 in the year they traded for Melo, though that was mid season and Amare did work early in the year if I remember. 36-30 last year.

You're really gonna argue that he's worth 5 wins? They went from one of the worst teams in the league every year before Melo, to a perennial playoff team with him. IMO, that squad has 35-47 written all over it without Melo. I guess it's just a coincidence that they won 54 - their most since '97, and Melo just happens to be in the team.

It was a long time ago, but I should point out Denver went from 17 wins before Melo to 43 his rookie year. Likewise, Denver went from one of the worst franchises in basketball to a perennial playoff team with Melo.

5 game swing, LOL. Every team he's played on has made the playoffs every season, and both teams got quite a bit better when they got Melo. Facts.

A lot of that shit you typed was opinions, and you're gonna get on me for hyperbole and talk about better ball movement with Q Richardson or some shit. LOL.

first of all, I didn't 'get on you for hyperbole' if you check what I wrote, I gave you a bit of the benefit of the doubt because I didn't think you were actually deluded enough to think that Carmelo '-16 For The Game' Anthony being out of the lineup would result in the Knicks losing literally by 50.

If you actually believe that literally, you're worse off than I thought.

So Without Further Ado, Let's Do The Knowledge:

The Knicks were 28-26 (.519) the season they traded for Melo, they finished 14-18 (.438) with him.

The Nuggets were 32-25 (.561) when they traded Melo, they finished 15-7 (.681) without him.

Since acquiring Carmelo, the Knicks are 90-68 (.568) when Carmelo is in the lineup and 42-38 (.538) when he is out of the lineup.

Extrapolated over an 82-game-season, the difference in those two percentages makes for a 2-game advantage with Carmelo on the Knicks versus without.

The Nuggets in their last full season with Carmelo along with the pre-trade 10/11 season were 68-36 (.653) with Carmelo and 112-57 (.662) since he left.

Extrapolated over an 82-game season, that makes for a .8 advantage for the Nuggets without Carmelo Anthony than with him.

So including both teams he's been a part of over the past three years, over 400 games to use as a sample size, the total difference between these two teams having Carmelo versus not having him is..........1.2 Games.

You're right, my guestimate of a 5-game-swing either way was ridiculous, just not in the way you thought.

Do you get it yet? Have you had enough? You seem like a good dude, I don't wanna have to keep doing this to you.

This isn't about my personal feeling, this is about metrics. The numbers tell you that despite all he brings to the table, the things he takes off it make this almost a wash.

In the end, having or not having Carmelo Anthony really doesn't make that big of a difference.

I ain't a hata, I just did the data.

And These Are Today's Mathematics.

Peace God.

And only use the numbers you want to use.

Nuggets and Knicks were each among the worst franchises in the league prior to Melo, and have been perennial playoff teams with him. Period.

Your post-Melo Nuggets data is largely useless because they were able to get quite a bit in the trade for him. They didnt lose him for nothing. They've also made a few fantastic mid-late first round picks post-Melo.

what other current players does that apply to?

prolly duncan, parker and ginobili lol

When you consider that Denver and NY were rarely if ever playoff teams in the years before Melo's arrival, I'd think even the biggest Melo hater could give him credit for his positive affect on those franchises.

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>And only use the numbers you want to use.
>
like how you ignored the Knicks actual record the season they traded for Melo & tried to make it like Melo was the difference between playoffs or Eddie-Curry/Larry-Brown-23-win-trainwreck rather than the fact that Melo's acquisition actually made them slightly worse that season?

>Nuggets and Knicks were each among the worst franchises in the
>league prior to Melo, and have been perennial playoff teams
>with him. Period.

The Knicks were going to be the same shitty playoff team that got swept with or without Melo in 2011, the Nuggs were that same also-ran they've been since Karl got there.

Touting first-round playoff appearances shows you where riding on the CHUCK WAGON will have you at......scarfing up any old scraps of swine entrails/intestines they can stuff into that sausage casing but ain't been fed a real balanced meal since the dorm days.

>>And only use the numbers you want to use.
>>
>like how you ignored the Knicks actual record the season they
>traded for Melo & tried to make it like Melo was the
>difference between playoffs or
>Eddie-Curry/Larry-Brown-23-win-trainwreck rather than the fact
>that Melo's acquisition actually made them slightly worse that
>season?


Nah, I pointed out what Amare did early that year.

>>Nuggets and Knicks were each among the worst franchises in
>the
>>league prior to Melo, and have been perennial playoff teams
>>with him. Period.
>
>The Knicks were going to be the same shitty playoff team that
>got swept with or without Melo in 2011, the Nuggs were that
>same also-ran they've been since Karl got there.
>
>Touting first-round playoff appearances shows you where riding
>on the CHUCK WAGON will have you at......scarfing up any old
>scraps of swine entrails/intestines they can stuff into that
>sausage casing but ain't been fed a real balanced meal since
>the dorm days.

Reality is both franchises sucked before Melo, and both have been relatively successful with Melo. Denver got to a conference final and made the playoffs every year, which for Denver is a big deal. The Knicks won 54 games this year, their most since '97.

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>A gifted motion-stopping, bad-shot-taking,
>ballhoggedy-chucker-loser who will never truly get it when
>there's enough time for it to make a difference.

hmmm, now who does that remind me of...

I haven't seen a superstar play statistically this selfish in the playoffs in a long time.

Lets criticize the top scorer in the league for not getting enough assists on a team with no other consistent scorers. None.

jr smith can score.

felton can score

shump can score


don't nobody wanna hear this shit, dogg. he needs to PLAY BETTER.

hibbert is a fuckin 12ppg ass nigga. paul gettin this nigga the ball. PERIOD!

>jr smith can score.
He CAN. He's not though. And he's getting plenty of looks. It's on him.
>felton can score
Up and down, like always. That's his entire career.
>shump can score
Huh? He's been a 40 percent shooter AT BEST since Georgia Tech. The fuck?
>
>don't nobody wanna hear this shit, dogg. he needs to PLAY
>BETTER.
>
>hibbert is a fuckin 12ppg ass nigga. paul gettin this nigga
>the ball. PERIOD!

LMAO. So now its because of George that Hibbert is making running left handed hooks. Got it. The Knicks don't have anybody who they can dump the ball to in the low post and expect to get a bucket.

>Lets criticize the top scorer in the league for not getting
>enough assists on a team with no other consistent scorers.
>None.

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i mean was aaron mckie any better than whomever you'd consider the knicks' no.2 scorer? how about lamar odom?

i've always been a Melo fan, but we're 3 games into this Pacers series and he has 5 dimes. he's averaging 1.7 asts a game in the playoffs lmao....nigga it cannot be THAT difficult for a player of your caliber to set your teammates up some more, averaging less than 2 assists a game as the star player is completely unacceptable. period. even kobe in his most selfish years had 5 a game and he was sharing the court with smush, kwame, puke walton and brian cook.

and once upon a time he was a good defender.

Melo has no ability to affect a game outside of shooting & hoping.

But like I said earlier, even when he does rebound it goes ignored. When he gets "4 or 5" that's talked about as his "usual" like you said above.....even though he's averaged 6-7 his entire career.

i mean where are the people humping the legs of 6-7 rebound a night guys?

was anyone cysing dirk's rebounding? he did more of it playing a similar role, in fact he shot more threes and was generally perimeter oriented. on offense. he sagged off and got defensive boards. no one cared, rightfully so.

melo is not *strictly* one dimension but he *is* the *most* one-dimensional star in the league if not recent memory. Shit even Crackhouse was moving the ball more on those lousy Detroit teams.

i've talked about his rebounding plenty and if others havent maybe that tells you it's not all that remarkable.

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for a minute in there, especially from an offensive standpoint and a playing together standpoint (next two best guys played the same position lol). if you have the ball that much, you've got to help move it, especially facing doubles because of wimpy support.

anthony is a gunner, period, and here we are both saying it as fans of known gunners lol.

He is. I'm saying, who gives a shit? He should be shooting a lot. He's one of the best scorers in the league, and his squad doesn't have a reliable 3rd scorer right now, let alone a 2nd one.

Harping on assists is pointless, because a lot of times it's the 2nd pass after Melo, that leads to the open 3.

Speaking of passing out of doubles, am I imagining this or did Melo get killed in the media for passing out of a double at the end of a playoff game last year or two years ago, for not chucking?

eh, as a whole both the nba news media and its fans are exceptionally stupid in a sea of really, really uninformed sports enthusiasts. if you pass, you're too pussy to be the man, if you shoot, you're selfish. if you're black, you gun and play street ball, if you're european, you're too soft and think too much. fuck them, i care more what OKSports says as a whole lol.

i've recently defended melo and the importance of scoring, but not all scoring and not all play as a top scorer is created equal. i'm not the guy who says you can't win it all WITH melo, but you sure as shit can't win it all BECAUSE of melo. you look at the other guys who were big scorers that led their team all the way, they contributed in a variety of ways in addition to putting up big scoring numbers. he just doesn't do that.

Though I think Melo "could" be the guy like Dirk was on a title winner. Dirk was mainly a scorer too....he wasn't really doing anything else better than Melo does.

Many had written Dirk off as being capable of being the top guy on a title winner by that point too. It's not likely, but it could happen,

shots is unacceptable.

Melo's BEST PLAYOFF FINISH EVER was a mere afterthought to P Double. Pierce won as many series with Antoine Walker and a cast of oddball bums (I LOVE WALTAH!!!!!) as MELO HAS IN HIS WHOLE CAREER.

This means that the sums of Melo's playoff success--three series wins--was equaled by Pierce with a mediocre Boston team in the early 2000s. Just last year, Pierce accomplished something Melo stans cyse constantly and most people didn't even remark it. That's probably because he won a title, another conference title and a Finals MVP. I would take Pierce's series against Cleveland in 2008 ALONE over the sum of Melo's playoff accomplishments.

Shall I continue????

Your boy is frying, you can't pull him out of that oil, dude!

get knocked out in the 1st round. Those teams just played and Pierce's lost.

What are you talking about?

no one said Melo's career was better or had more playoff success. lol You wanna argue that with someone, inbox OE or something lol.

not like this man, not like this. i mean see my comments on the sixers "success" last season.

if boston was 100%, they'd have won that series, even without homecourt. they put their d league club out there with the two old guys and green and you won. cool. RAISE DA BANNA (c) Kweli

to melo now. I think melo is better than pierce now. Do you think Pierce is better than Melo?

If yes...I disagree, cool.
If no...we agree, cool.

I'm not arguing silly ish today.


arghghghhhhhhhhh...

lol

to whatever "i'll take a win any way i can get it" way you want compare pierce today and melo today, sure, melo is better. pierce is losing his legs but up until maybe two years ago hell yes i'd have taken him over melo without qualification as to what team i had or anything like that. he always chipped in in many ways and got better at that as his career went along.

The west was generally very strong in Melo's Denver years.

And Melo's never had close to the squad around him as Pierce did from 08-12.

cry

What exactly am I supposed to be crying about? That was forced as hell.

youre defending melo like youve been sent by the innocence project.

you look at the east today versus that time period, meh, i'm not sure it's any better when you take out the miami>new jersey thing. are indiana and the knicks that much better than boston and detroit? detroit was one player from winning a chip at that point.

the middle of the pack is not helping, the bottom sucked both times.

also Carmelo averaged 4.8 ast + 10.3 reb in 2011 against Boston and everyone still killed him for how he played.

Rather than shooting a 30 footer over 2 defenders. "He's gotta take over if he wants to be the man!" This is what they said!

Lots of dumb basketball fans out there.

You had a good agenda. Decent agenda. Paul George has
been no better than the third best Pacer in any game, but you
saw that coming and engineered your agenda to dance around
that fact.

But this Durant being shitty wrinkle? Yuck, really takes the
piss out of your agenda.

Kevin Martin alone is eons better than any scorer on the Knicks
after 'Melo. Durant has more help.

Durant playing like shit, wilting under the pressure.

Why?

Because its hard to carry a shitty team. Durant
can't do it for two series.

'Melo did it for a YEAR still got those bums to a 2-seed

Team is banged up, has Herpes, and is running out of
steam.

Thank god for Durant being shitty. Carmelo walks out
scott-free

Better luck next time, kid.

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^^^^i BEEN going at KD and he deserves to be fried. he coming up short just like i thought he would without russy's hyper-aggression demanding the attention of the defense. he can't look sweet coming off that curl without the threat of russ breaking the play and dunking on a muhfucka.

for the last time, this ain't a b-more/DC thing...this about narratives. i enjoy watching an athlete's story and persona get shaped and molded as his career progresses. Melo is now CLEARLY not a franchise player. KD is now on the clock and starting down the same path of being exposed...except he's made the finals, won 3 straight scoring titles and demonstrated a far better floor game than melo. but, he selling, too.

No Melo, no Durant. No CP3. Who then?

Ok.

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k

Just wanted it down for the world to see

This is how you mess up your agendas, btw

You get trigger happy man

Like nigga, you knew Austin Rivers was some shit

You be going Rambo on your agendas

Just take your earnings, save SOME of it, don't go on shopping
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this is the first chink in KD's armor. he's been on honeymoon since he got in the L. now, he gonna lose without russy, who i believe is the LEADER of that team, while everyone else was forcing KD to be the leader, which he is not built for. so, i've actually been proven right TWICE with one agenda.

>k
>
>Just wanted it down for the world to see

>This is how you mess up your agendas, btw

high risk-high reward. i don't have time to be building escape pods and playing success-failure percentages. if i believe it, i'mma talk about it. i believe paul george better than melo.

>You get trigger happy man
>
>Like nigga, you knew Austin Rivers was some shit

i don't know austin some shit. i know he had a bad rookie year. i ain't giving up on him. and if you need to go at austin now to redeem yourself for this incredible melo L you're taking...do it. i'll be here.

>You be going Rambo on your agendas
>
>Just take your earnings, save SOME of it, don't go on
>shopping
>sprees right away

please. wait until the draft. you gonna REALLY see some shit with b-mac and otto. i'mma cyse them over a RACK of young "stars" and send many-a-poster into a full-on rage.

Durant did dat?

And you cysing Paul George third-optioning and role playing?

Nigga.

He ain't been the best Pacer in ANY game. Not one.

But we supposed to shit on Carmelo NOW for carrying a bunch
of BUMS to the #2 seed? Look at JR Smith, nigga. THATS THE
SECOND BEST SCORER ON THE KNICKS.

JR SMITH.

>please. wait until the draft. you gonna REALLY see some shit
>with b-mac and otto. i'mma cyse them over a RACK of young
>"stars" and send many-a-poster into a full-on rage.

Well, B-Mac and Otto 2 of the top 4 picks. Not sure who you're
arguing against. You're pushing against an open door really, unless
you make some serious predictions like they'll be better or worse
than MKG, Wiggins, Wall or some shit like dat

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i EXPECT some good cuban b'ing from these other dudes, but you supposed to argue FACTS. paul george is the first option on the pacers, their STAR...their ALL-STAR. so, why you being so aggy that you gotta throw out blatant falshhoods like third-option?

and if melo went to the conference finals with NO STAR, he should be able to do it again.

>He ain't been the best Pacer in ANY game. Not one.

he was just the best player last night, dogg. what is your problem? why have you derailed like this? you care about melo THIS MUCH?

>But we supposed to shit on Carmelo NOW for carrying a bunch
>of BUMS to the #2 seed? Look at JR Smith, nigga. THATS THE
>SECOND BEST SCORER ON THE KNICKS.
>
>JR SMITH.

i. don't. care. play. to. your. seed.

>>please. wait until the draft. you gonna REALLY see some shit
>>with b-mac and otto. i'mma cyse them over a RACK of young
>>"stars" and send many-a-poster into a full-on rage.
>
>Well, B-Mac and Otto 2 of the top 4 picks. Not sure who
>you're
>arguing against.

they weren't in october/november 2012 when i first started mentioning them on this board and my podcast. they flat out were not rated that high and whoever says different better come with evidence...cause i got mine.


You're pushing against an open door really,
>unless
>you make some serious predictions like they'll be better or
>worse
>than MKG, Wiggins, Wall or some shit like dat

well, Otto is better than MKG. but, that's about how good Otto is and not a shot at MKG, who i also ride for.

b-mac over wall and wiggs? not a bad idea. we'll see. i was thinking more along the lines of actual shooting guards...you know, his peers (Beal, Derozan, etc), but whatever. if wall and wiggs is where i need to take it, i'll consider it.

A damn fine one

He better than Iggy, Iggy was an all star too

Those type of non Alpha wings make all star games

He ain't the alpha dog though

Carmelo is

He CARRIED a doo doo team to a #2 seed

Nigga

JR Smith the #2 option on offense

Look how horrid he is

JR is an absolutely dreadful basketball player

He might be the 9th man on The Pacers, if that


>i EXPECT some good cuban b'ing from these other dudes, but
>you supposed to argue FACTS. paul george is the first option
>on the pacers, their STAR...their ALL-STAR. so, why you being
>so aggy that you gotta throw out blatant falshhoods like
>third-option?

He ain't been the first option in ANY games this series

That's just a fact

He hasn't been the best player in ANY Pacer victory

Nigga was a role playing rebounder last night because
his offense was doo doo on a stick because he's not a
consistent threat on offense

>b-mac over wall and wiggs? not a bad idea. we'll see. i was
>thinking more along the lines of actual shooting guards...you
>know, his peers (Beal, Derozan, etc), but whatever. if wall
>and wiggs is where i need to take it, i'll consider it.

Nah, was just throwing out random names

No horse in this race, will be interesting to see what you come up with

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>
>A damn fine one
>
>He better than Iggy, Iggy was an all star too

he's a lot better than iggy.

>Those type of non Alpha wings make all star games

or not.

>He ain't the alpha dog though
>
>Carmelo is

he ain't played like an alpha since syracuse.

>He CARRIED a doo doo team to a #2 seed

he carried a DPOY and a 6MOY to and a HOF PG...to an early exit. no one is buying your pity party, my dude. he should be dropping 40 if he not gonna be passing and defending. big dogs do what it takes. paul george scratching and clawing for every board near him and settin up his teammates. he leading the pacers in points and dimes this round...and ain't too far off from leading in boards.

>Nigga
>
>JR Smith the #2 option on offense
>
>Look how horrid he is

you shoulda made this EXCUSE ****BEFORE**** they started playing. it's too late now.

>JR is an absolutely dreadful basketball player

you shoulda copped this plea BEFORE. even if you had, it wouldn't matter.

>He might be the 9th man on The Pacers, if that

he might get the ball where he likes it playing with an actual franchise player who sets up his teammates.

>>i EXPECT some good cuban b'ing from these other dudes, but
>>you supposed to argue FACTS. paul george is the first option
>>on the pacers, their STAR...their ALL-STAR. so, why you
>being
>>so aggy that you gotta throw out blatant falshhoods like
>>third-option?
>
>He ain't been the first option in ANY games this series
>
>That's just a fact

except it's not, considering we have both empirical (the offense runs through him primarily) and statistical evidence (he taking the most shots, drops the most dimes and scores the most) which PROVES he's the first-option.

>He hasn't been the best player in ANY Pacer victory
>
>Nigga was a role playing rebounder last night because
>his offense was doo doo on a stick because he's not a
>consistent threat on offense

these are FEELINGS, not facts. he had the best line AGAIN. no wonder you ride so hard for melo, because all you can equate with being good is SCORING. george has DOMINATED this series.

>>b-mac over wall and wiggs? not a bad idea. we'll see. i was
>>thinking more along the lines of actual shooting
>guards...you
>>know, his peers (Beal, Derozan, etc), but whatever. if wall
>>and wiggs is where i need to take it, i'll consider it.
>
>Nah, was just throwing out random names
>
>No horse in this race, will be interesting to see what you
>come up with

it'll be good.

start the season people were cysing the fuck out of their coaching, shooting, depth, etc. shit people were riding hard for JR through the sixth man voting.

these are the best fans on the boards (c) you?

ha! laughable, mang.

Shumpert in college: 12.7 ppg .396 %

Shumpert in NBA: 8.3 ppg, .399%

This is the cat he said "can score" when Melo's weak supporting cast was pointed out. Shumpert wasn't even a good scorer in college! He's never shot better than 40% from the field, college or pro.

what the fuck man. this shit is dumb as hell

who is good enough to trade spots with KD and actually win this series?

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there is NOTHING ***YO ASS*** can say to get out of this one, dogg. so, save them lil cute pot shots for another of my agendas and try to co-sign witcha lil LOL here and LMAO there replies.

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You said Paul George is more of a franchise player than Carmelo Anthony...even though he's putting up Iggy #'s.

You THEN said Westbrook without Durant would be in a better position than Durant without Westbrook

You add all that up, that means there's only one franchise player in the league.

Because what Melo and Durant )and even CP3) are going through right now is NO DIFFERENT than what Wade, Bosh, Howard and even KOBE went through. Disappointing ends to their seasons based off mediocre play of themselves and their teammates

And the fact that you think Paul George is more of a franchise player when right now he's more a glue guy than anything else is crazy

melo's stat-paddy #s ain't changing no minds.

y'all feelings are cooked right now.

for one, you take away every advantage KD has over Memphis's two best perimeter defenders

and then you have someone smaller trying to finish agaisnt Gasol and ZBo

Durant had more points in the paint in any one game than the entire team would have without him

but you're right, we'll never really know

who knows how many fouls russ would draw on the perimeter defenders and especially those two plodding ogres? it would change everything on both sides of the ball? who KNOWS would his speed and aggression would do?

would ibaka get more o-boards with russ flying into the lane?

would shooters be more open?

your body is THEORY!

just stop it.

I would say less than 10 by any reasonable measure.

his playoff record ain't that much better than melos (actually it is but it's still pretty shitty among "franchise players")
durant is eventually going to come thru

These playoffs made me have a new appreciation for Rondo.

this agenda turned into a stew of fuckery

and those are the two positions knicks fans are always puffing their chests about.

this thread definately cements that Bags and Orbit are not aliases of one another.

George is 23-66 from the field this series(35 %), and has 21 turnovers (5.3 per game)

35% and 5 turnovers per game!

I guess he's on that up and coming underdog non-household name honeymoon pass right now.

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The numbers illustrate confidence. According to data compiled by ESPN Stats & Information, Anthony is shooting 18-of-57 (32 percent) with George on him in the series, his length and quickness preventing Anthony from getting time or space to execute as he's used to.

and


But if you need statistical evidence, here it is. When any of the other Pacers are guarding him, Anthony is shooting 20-of-36 (56 percent). During Game 4, Anthony was 4-of-16 with George on him and 5-of-7 facing anyone else.

By the way, ESPN Stats & Information says Smith is 3-of-16 (19 percent) when George is on him and 15-of-48 (32 percent) when other Pacers, usually Lance Stephenson, are on him.

oh

these dudes mad, dogg. they don't deserve no research.

thing here. george locked his down for most of the series when he was on him.

Paul George hasn't been the best Pacer a single game
this series

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I hate seeing you like this. There is nothing wrong with seeing a shitty agenda that you know you can't win and ejecting. I saw Melo wasn't serious and I got outta that shit with him and LeBron.

You done tried to make LeBron into a superhero who can't POSSIBLY be stopped to deflect from the FACT that he has out-trained and out-worked Melo EVERY DAMN SUMMER since 2004...like EVERY SUMMER. And somehow, you have eased your feelings about this with "LeBron came out the womb better."

That didn't happen. Hard and dedication matter. How you think Paul George came outta nowhere? He was a late-bloomer who just keeps trying hard and training to get better. How can he fuckin dribble better than Melo now when he couldn't take four bounces in traffic toward the cup a few years ago? GIVE OTHER PLAYERS CREDIT.

I will bet you that nigga watched more game film this off-season than Melo has his WHOLE LIFE. And you wanna think shit like that don't matter. Hell, I'll be you Lance Stephenson did, too.

Just fucking eject. Melo not a franchise player. He not top 5. He bout to be 30 and his knees bout to cook. Just EJECT.

If Melo trained hard, he'd have dunk on Hibbert last night. Easy. His lift GONE! You gotta be a HELL of a shooter and creator to win games below the rim and Melo ain't TRAIN for that all these years. You cyse his post game? He supposed to LIVE THERE on some Dantley shit. Get to the line! Double digit FTAs every damn game. But, he take his lil jumpers.

>If Melo trained hard, he'd have dunk on Hibbert last night.
>Easy.

Better yet, Wade.

1) There's a reason nobody is talking about Paul George today.

Why? Because he a gangly, versatile, talented matchup problem,
far more like Derrick McKey than T-Mac. He's not an alpha dog,
and nobody cares because he's a supporting role player who can
do cool things with the ball. In game 6, with momentum building for the
Knicks ONE PACER put team on his back through fire, aggressiveness and
tenacity: Born Ready. JUST LIKE I SAID. YOU SAID Born Ready was Aaron
Mckie. Wanna take that back? Cool. He's ALREADY better than Aaron McKie in
Mckie's PRIME.

And yes -- If Kyrie had a BORN READY type, he'd be set for a decade.

You want one of these sleepy head passive pussies alongside him.
Dunno why. Ky Ky not winning shit unless he has an ass kicker
sidekick. Tristan Thompson sure ain't it.


2) Right today, the narrative from CARMELO HATERS is about how
fucking SORRY his teammates are. The "Carmelo guns too much"
narrative DIED. EVERYBODY said that shit, then decided to WATCH
the Knicks and was like:

"Oh."

And STOP CRYING about Knicks fans hyping JR Smith as 6th Man.
You're missing the point-

THAT he was the sixth man is WHAT MAKES his postseason such
an embarrassment. Its PRECISELY why the Knicks lost. Because
JR Smith, the league's best 6th man, decided not to show up. That's
the point.

The ONE TIME Carmelo had a good team they went to the Western
Conference Finals and gave the Lakers a good 6 game series. And HE
was the ALPHA DOG.

Paul George ain't no ALPHA DOG. He's a supporting cast player who
is the best on his team ON AVERAGE but was NOT the best player
on his team in any ONE game (as in, he averages being the 2nd-3rd
best, which is a higher average than any Pacer)



>You done tried to make LeBron into a superhero who can't
>POSSIBLY be stopped to deflect from the FACT that he has
>out-trained and out-worked Melo EVERY DAMN SUMMER since
>2004...like EVERY SUMMER. And somehow, you have eased your
>feelings about this with "LeBron came out the womb better."


This is the least forgivable of all of your agendas.

One what planet have Carmelo and Lebron EVER been on
the same stratosphere in terms of gifts?

Nigga --- not since PUBERTY.

But you wanna chalk up Lebron's goodness relative to Carmelo
to Carmelo NOT WORKING AS HARD!?!?! Nigga!??!

STOP.

Carmelo had a BETTER POST GAME AT 18 than Lebron does
RIGHT TODAY. Lebron overall skills and IQ better, so he's
deadlier from everywhere but Lebron's ROBOTIC CLUNKY
post game until his 27th birthday was Bwhahahahahahah

Carmelo was planting, pivoting, McHaleing niggas at OAK HILL

Why?

Because Carmelo loves the game. He studies footwork. His shooting
form is PERFECT. His arch is PERFECT. His handles are clean.

Carmelo is good SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE he's a junkie.
Athletically he has NEVER been in the elite class.


>That didn't happen. Hard and dedication matter. How you think
>Paul George came outta nowhere? He was a late-bloomer who just
dfsafd>keeps trying hard and training to get better. How can he
>fuckin dribble better than Melo now when he couldn't take four
>bounces in traffic toward the cup a few years ago? GIVE OTHER
>PLAYERS CREDIT.

He's good. No Alpha dog. No tenacity. Born Ready da captain.

>Just fucking eject. Melo not a franchise player. He not top 5.
>He bout to be 30 and his knees bout to cook. Just EJECT.

Scoring Champ.
Among the best wing scorers of his generation.
One of the most decorated FIBA players ever
NCAA Champ.

I'm happy with what he's done.

>If Melo trained hard, he'd have dunk on Hibbert last night.
>Easy. His lift GONE! You gotta be a HELL of a shooter and
>creator to win games below the rim and Melo ain't TRAIN for
>that all these years. You cyse his post game? He supposed to
>LIVE THERE on some Dantley shit. Get to the line! Double digit
>FTAs every damn game. But, he take his lil jumpers.

Uh. Last night he wasn't hurt and was hitting his jumpers. Why?
Because his jumpshot is fucking deadly. Better than Lebron's.
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>
>1) There's a reason nobody is talking about Paul George today.

people been talking about george ALL WEEK, so that's just false.


>Why? Because he a gangly, versatile, talented matchup
>problem,
>far more like Derrick McKey than T-Mac. He's not an alpha
>dog,
>and nobody cares because he's a supporting role player who
>can
>do cool things with the ball. In game 6, with momentum
>building for the
>Knicks ONE PACER put team on his back through fire,
>aggressiveness and
>tenacity: Born Ready. JUST LIKE I SAID. YOU SAID Born Ready
>was Aaron
>Mckie. Wanna take that back? Cool. He's ALREADY better than
>Aaron McKie in
>Mckie's PRIME.

If YOU wanna think that. You can. Lance is a COMPLETELY different issue.

>And yes -- If Kyrie had a BORN READY type, he'd be set for a
>decade.
>
>You want one of these sleepy head passive pussies alongside
>him.
>Dunno why. Ky Ky not winning shit unless he has an ass kicker
>
>sidekick. Tristan Thompson sure ain't it.

Kyrie and TT Boi have no place in this thread. I don't care.


>2) Right today, the narrative from CARMELO HATERS is about
>how
>fucking SORRY his teammates are. The "Carmelo guns too much"
>narrative DIED. EVERYBODY said that shit, then decided to
>WATCH
>the Knicks and was like:
>
>"Oh."

That's not true. The basketball converstion about Melo extends beyond OKS. Knicks fans and Melo fans jumping on grenades in every OKS thread means nothing to me. National media is frying him.


>And STOP CRYING about Knicks fans hyping JR Smith as 6th Man.
>You're missing the point-
>
>THAT he was the sixth man is WHAT MAKES his postseason such
>an embarrassment. Its PRECISELY why the Knicks lost. Because
>
>JR Smith, the league's best 6th man, decided not to show up.
>That's
>the point.

That issue can exist alongside Melo's inefficient scoring and low assists totals and his poor defense.


>The ONE TIME Carmelo had a good team they went to the Western
>Conference Finals and gave the Lakers a good 6 game series.
>And HE
>was the ALPHA DOG.

He had a proven Alpha with him, Chauncey Billups...a Finals MVP. It matters.


>Paul George ain't no ALPHA DOG. He's a supporting cast player
>who
>is the best on his team ON AVERAGE but was NOT the best
>player
>on his team in any ONE game (as in, he averages being the
>2nd-3rd
>best, which is a higher average than any Pacer)

Your opinion. Best "on average" reads the same as "best" to me.


>>You done tried to make LeBron into a superhero who can't
>>POSSIBLY be stopped to deflect from the FACT that he has
>>out-trained and out-worked Melo EVERY DAMN SUMMER since
>>2004...like EVERY SUMMER. And somehow, you have eased your
>>feelings about this with "LeBron came out the womb better."
>
>
>This is the least forgivable of all of your agendas.
>
>One what planet have Carmelo and Lebron EVER been on
>the same stratosphere in terms of gifts?

Has Melo trained as hard as LeBron? simple question. Because your logic is faulty. Bird wouldn't have been better than Nique is your logic held. It doesn't.


>Nigga --- not since PUBERTY.
>
>But you wanna chalk up Lebron's goodness relative to Carmelo
>to Carmelo NOT WORKING AS HARD!?!?! Nigga!??!

Yes...I just chalked it up to that. Because everyone in basketball knows it's THE major factor. LeBron is DEDICATED. You wanna think Melo is. He not.


>STOP.
>
>Carmelo had a BETTER POST GAME AT 18 than Lebron does
>RIGHT TODAY.

you repeated the same shit. No one cares. He got that post game and he couldn't do shit in the 4th with it against George ALL SERIES.

Lebron overall skills and IQ better, so he's
>deadlier from everywhere but Lebron's ROBOTIC CLUNKY
>post game until his 27th birthday was Bwhahahahahahah

who cares? Lebron a champ. He bout to be a champ AGAIN. He's improved his midrange shot and his 3 point shooting. Like, dogg...LOOK AT HIS IMPROVEMENT. HE HAS WORKED FOR IT!

>Carmelo was planting, pivoting, McHaleing niggas at OAK HILL
>
>Why?
>
>Because Carmelo loves the game. He studies footwork. His
>shooting
>form is PERFECT. His arch is PERFECT. His handles are clean.

Yet, he's NEVER shot 50% from the field...40% from three...85% from the line...why has this not happened?

What is a textbook J without SHOT SELECTION, which LEBRON has worked on like a madman the past 2 years, becoming obsessed with shot charts and advanced scoring metrics? THIS SHIT MATTERS, DOGG??!?!

>Carmelo is good SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE he's a junkie.
>Athletically he has NEVER been in the elite class.

again...he don't need to be ELITE. He's a very good athlete.

>>That didn't happen. Hard and dedication matter. How you
>think
>>Paul George came outta nowhere? He was a late-bloomer who
>just
>dfsafd>keeps trying hard and training to get better. How can
>he
>>fuckin dribble better than Melo now when he couldn't take
>four
>>bounces in traffic toward the cup a few years ago? GIVE
>OTHER
>>PLAYERS CREDIT.
>
>He's good. No Alpha dog. No tenacity. Born Ready da captain.

Alpha's take the last shot...that's all that needs to be said to dead your escape pod routine. PG takes the last shot. He has the ball.

>
>>Just fucking eject. Melo not a franchise player. He not top
>5.
>>He bout to be 30 and his knees bout to cook. Just EJECT.
>
>Scoring Champ.
>Among the best wing scorers of his generation.
>One of the most decorated FIBA players ever
>NCAA Champ.

And he's the current Booted Early Champ.

>I'm happy with what he's done.
>
>>If Melo trained hard, he'd have dunk on Hibbert last night.
>>Easy. His lift GONE! You gotta be a HELL of a shooter and
>>creator to win games below the rim and Melo ain't TRAIN for
>>that all these years. You cyse his post game? He supposed to
>>LIVE THERE on some Dantley shit. Get to the line! Double
>digit
>>FTAs every damn game. But, he take his lil jumpers.
>
>Uh. Last night he wasn't hurt and was hitting his jumpers.
>Why?
>Because his jumpshot is fucking deadly. Better than Lebron's.
>
>By miles.

except the NUMBERS show that it isn't. aesthetically, it is...but Lebron has WORKED that his shot is FUNCTIONALLY better than Melo. He makes them when people close on him and contests them, and he makes them when he FUCKING TIRED. Melo don't.

All these ancillary issues you tryna erect around Melo ain't gonna deter anyone from coming after him. He not franchise and he showed it AGAIN last night with his inability to hit those turnarounds over George, those TURNOVERs caused by him being a fuckin 10 year vet and acting like he's never seen a double team out high in his LIFE...he just SOLD! he choked.

You'll get through this tho.

"post prime" billups even though he made the all-star team TWICE with the nuggets despite a bunch of good PGs in the west. they act like nene was olowakandi, kenyon martin was dead and jr smith didnt have the best season of his career. to them, it was just melo and a bunch of schlubs, which is an easy narrative to push if you didn't watch a single game of their all season or playoffs, i guess.

They quite correctly don't wanna hear no fuckin excuses about Durant's lack of "help." They partied REALLY hard when Bron was getting booted with Jamison and Boobie missing them open ass jumpers. I was AMONG them partying on LeBron and not wanting to hear no shit about Mo Williams.

Melo is not exempt. He had enough to make the ECF. He ain't get it done.

he wasnt perfect but i dont see them winning that series either way.

anthony, on the other hand, played poorly for most of his series and was in a matchup that most knicks fans would have considered winnable throughout the season. i am sure all the usual suspects will whine at that statement, but we all know if that if knick fans were asked in december, they'd have been VERY confident against the pacers and even heading into this series a few felt good.

they're also missing that this series showed them EXACTLY what any critic of melo has been saying, that his game has not shown much growth or depth, and that it won't because physically he's already started to decline.

That says all the needs to be said about the state of your
agenda.

Its not so good.


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Take your fuckin Wonder Woman bracelets off and just accept that Melo flamed out again and isn't a franchise centerpiece.

And you have the GALL to chalk up Carmelo's failure to
dunk of a 7'3 Roy Hibbert to him NOT WORKING HARD!!???!

Nigga: YOU HAVE IVERSTANIANS IN YOUR CIRCLE!! THE NIGGA
who DEFINED NOT WORKING HARD!?!?!? Bwhahahahahahahhahah

Carmelo can't dunk on Hibbert because of D-N-A.

I just came back from humping in Puerto Rico SCARED of knocking
one up and having a son with them fucked up Carmelo genes

The africans in PR got the WORST African genes which is why the women
fall off the map at age 35 physically...how the fuck Cuba, DR/Haiti right
next door with sun goddess supreme DNA and PR genes all fucked up?
I might actually investigate this

Carmelo has MAXIMIZED his awful Puerto Rican genes

Got SUPREME footwork, form on his jumper. Like YOU SAIID,
he's actually a GREAT passer.

His team is doo doo butt though

Amare has no knee caps

JR Smith momma shoulda sent him to Samoa like Earl

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THINK...bird did...dantley did. Scorers score.

you are the champion of false dichotomies and overqualifications.

remember? he could have forced himself to a competent organization, but he chose the bright lights. he chose to go to this sorry-ass organization, which tells you all you need to know about what he really values.

They aren't beating the Heat, and probably not OKC, not Chicago
with Rose but a Knick team with Amare from the late Phoenix years is a
serious contender.

Carmelo didn't know that Amare had a rapidly degenerating
skeleton.

>remember? he could have forced himself to a competent
>organization, but he chose the bright lights. he chose to go
>to this sorry-ass organization, which tells you all you need
>to know about what he really values.

Carmelo carried the Nuggets to the WC finals, lost to the eventual
champion Lakers. He correctly guessed that George Karl was a
bum and that Nuggets team had peaked.

Like everyone, he wanted a better situation.

He didn't ask to go to BROOKLYN, which would have been REAL
selfish and dumb .

He asked to go to a team with another (at the time) superstar.

And he asked to make a few dollars and help his branding in the
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>Carmelo didn't know that Amare had a rapidly degenerating
>skeleton.

I'm not saying they beat the Heat.

But it justifies him LEAVING DENVER.

That's the only point here.

Iverstania is calling Carmelo selfish for LEAVING DENVER
for NY.

I'm saying that it was a sound decision. And it was. If Amare
is what he used to, it justifies the move.

That's the only point of contention here, and you can agree with
that point, because it has nothing to do with Paul George.

George Karl is an awful human being and the most overrated
coach of all-time. Nuggs fans getting into racial tiffs with his
wife. Nigga ain't want no part of that.


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Any team that signed him knew he wasn't 22 wit good knees.

>Any team that signed him knew he wasn't 22 wit good knees.

Hell if he's 2010 GOOD, than it justifies the decision.

Amare has taken QUANTUM LEAPS BACKWARDS EVERY
SINGLE YEAR

Not Carmelo's fault

Orthopedists didn't know this shit would happen

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http://www.azcentral.com/sports/suns/articles/2010/06/29/20100629phoenix-suns-amare-stoudemire.html?nclick_check=1

Suns Managing Partner Robert Sarver has stuck to the idea of giving Stoudemire a maximum-salary deal for four years (his existing remaining option season plus three more) but not for the maximum six years (option plus a five-year extension) that Stoudemire has desired. NBA sources said Sarver might be willing to change the extension's length to four years, which would give Stoudemire a five-year deal worth $107 million.

Read more:

you guys should stop lying in here, seriously.

definitely seems like phoenix was all in on stoudamire. it's not like they signed hakim warrick instead of him.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=ys-stoudemireknicks070210

As Yahoo! Sports first reported, Stoudemire’s departure from the Suns was all but clinched after the Phoenix Suns reached agreement with forward Hakim Warrick(notes) on a four-year, $18 million contract , league sources said.

The Suns made a last-ditch proposal to Stoudemire, offering him a five-year contract that guaranteed him $71 million, sources said. The first three seasons were fully guaranteed. The fourth season contained a 50 percent guarantee that could become fully guaranteed based on the number of minutes Stoudemire played in the first three seasons. The fifth season of the contract also could become guaranteed based on a minutes incentive.

The Suns put in the incentives because of concerns over Stoudemire’s past knee and eye injuries. Insurance won’t cover Stoudemire’s salary if he can’t play because of any additional problems to either of his knees or his right eye.

Amare was excellent in 2010, AFTER the microfracture

That is the Amare that Carmelo wanted to join

That was a perfectly good, fair decision


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Wasnt Melo's left arm coming out of his socket? Yet he was still performing like that?

i guarantee there are guys on every team that's STILL playing with injuries like that. we're damn near in june, all these guys are falling apart.

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/9291074/nba-playoffs-2013-new-york-knicks-season-failure

"My career is far from over," Anthony would say after the Indiana Pacers eliminated the Knicks on Saturday night, "so I'm not really concerned about that. I still got a lot more time in this league."

He just doesn't want it that much.

OG post said "no excuses when George outplays Melo". This wasn't about the Pacers beating the Knicks, or Melo having bad moments to latch onto. It was about "George outplaying Melo".

Didn't happen. Melo scored more, shot better, turned it over way less, and outrebounded George. George had more assists and steals.

Don't give me that George hounding Melo bullshit, when George is shooting 39% himself. Who hounded George into them 4-17's and 6-19's? I guess he gets a pass when he shoots bad himself?

There's nothing you can say.

Not that I expected any different. But still.

for you to deny that by talking up melo's inefficient scoring just shows me there's no use in debating with you.

did you see the way he ignored his man and got a rebound that bounced in his direction!?! this man is a modern day oscar robertson!

Let Melo turn it over 7 times in one game or go 2-12 and 1-9 from 3 back to back games, and all hell would break lose.

Melo's mistakes just get compounded because he tries to cover for them by SCORING more. what happens if he just off?

I'd even defend him there

Good intangibles

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And his D on Melo is documented, stat-backed FACT!

There's really nothing you can say.

You mad, young.

They wanted ANY reason to get on Melo...the Knicks lost so they now have a reason. Let them be happy

They said PG outplayed Melo and is more of a franchise player...if they want to start a franchise with PG before Melo, can't really say much to them

Then there's nothing I can say
It's wrong, but hey

what GM in his right mind sees melo as a championship building block?

george may or may not be the centerpiece of a champion, but whatever role he plays he is a WINNING player that can contribute to WINS in a lot of different ways.

this is not melo hate, i would readily acknowledge there were guys less talented offensively and even overall than AI that were more conducive to winning. that said, by comparison, he was much more versatile and contributed in many more ways than melo, despite his limitations.

nigga could barely dribble 3 years ago. He's on some young Pip shit right now. Watch where he takes it. Gonna be a beast.

without hitting it.

better for a winner, at least.

>what GM in his right mind sees melo as a championship
>building block?
There's no GM that would select Paul George over Carmelo Anthony to START a team...NONE

>george may or may not be the centerpiece of a champion, but
>whatever role he plays he is a WINNING player that can
>contribute to WINS in a lot of different ways.
That's the point...Melo would be the centerpiece if taken. George would be a supplemental piece.

>this is not melo hate, i would readily acknowledge there were
>guys less talented offensively and even overall than AI that
>were more conducive to winning. that said, by comparison, he
>was much more versatile and contributed in many more ways than
>melo, despite his limitations.
George is a good player, a first time all star and CAN get better. Melo is one of the 10 best players in the LEAGUE. There's not much of a difference between Paul George and Andre Igoudala RIGHT TODAY. If you would start a franchise with either or both ahead of Melo, I don't know what to tell you. I doubt if ANY GM would do that though

To say Paul George would be selected ahead of Carmelo Anthony to start a team (meaning the franchise's FIRST pick), to me sounds like hate. Especially considering George didn't have that great of a series anyway

paul george break out season this year was getting 17 and 8 shooting 41% from the floor playing on a midwest team ppl really don't care about
his media footprint ain't big enough for him to take any Ls cause the expectation ain't there
long as melo LOST this shit was win win for bags
yall bit on this shit like some dummies

OG post said "no excuses when George outplays Melo". This wasn't about the Pacers beating the Knicks, or Melo having bad moments to latch onto. It was about "George outplaying Melo".

Didn't happen. Melo scored more, shot better, turned it over way less, and outrebounded George. George had more assists and steals.

Don't give me that George hounding Melo bullshit, when George is shooting 39% himself. Who hounded George into them 4-17's and 6-19's? I guess he gets a pass when he shoots bad himself?

Melo was the only reason his team was in any of those games and won any of them. He was the only Knick who showed up. Hibbert was the Pacers best player, and Stephenson and George Hill even each had their game as the hero. George was good and contributed a lot. He's clearly just scratching the surface of what he can be. If he can become a better shooter and cut down the turnovers, he'll be outstanding. But this wasn't about that, it was about outplaying Melo right now. He didn't.

props for this agenda.

Iverson was on the Nuggets, playing alongside Carmelo.
Iverson was putting up great Iverson numbers for a Nuggs
team that was doing nothing.

Carmelo started complaining (not to the press, because Carmelo
is actually a good teammate, always has been) about how Iverson
was a ball hoggedy loser.

Nuggs management sided with Camelo. Hits eject on Iverson.

What happens next?

Carmelo IMMEDIATELY leads the Nuggets to the furthest they had been
to the playoffs in forever, losing to the eventual champion Lakers in the
WC Finals.

Iverson goes to Detroit, and without the leadership and goodness of
Carmelo to mask his awfulness, has his horrific teammate-ness exposed
for the world to see. He sucks. Detroit sucks. He refuses to come off the
bench, and the biggest farce in NBA history is uncovered.

This explains why Concretecharlie is here, Guiness is here, Bshelly
is here....several others. If you loved Iverson, you almost have to
hate Carmelo. Carmelo's goodness ruined the land of Iverstania.

Unfortunately, Basaglia will take all the help he can get out here, and
so has enlisted these beleaguered bums. Ba set up a Carmelo vs.
Paul George agenda.

He got a Carmelo vs. Hibbert + George Hill + Born Ready + a host of other niggas
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http://tinyurl.com/ad8tj3d

I'm obviously not talking about YOU.

I made my beefs with your specific agenda clear:

Paul George is an awesomely skilled passive role player.

He's not even Luol Deng-caliber Alpha dog. d

And it showed in this series. Paul George was not the best
Pacer in ANY game and got completely upstage by the guy
that I HYPED UP. ANd Born Ready DID IT EXACTLY as I said
he would: anger, tenacity. Not those puppy dog put backs that
Paul George be getting. Born Ready was COLD. Paul George
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Hopefully Stephenson keeps improving, so he can be a great sidekick to the Pacers All-Star SF Wunderkind.

He should double that 9,4 and 3 from this year if he's as good as you say (He won't come near it).

But, he don't HAVE to. The Pacers can't be expecting that much from him. Out-muscling some I-talian, a fat nigga, an old dude and a dumb nigga ain't that impressive. No one's expecting ALL-STAR appearances from Lance, dogg. He's a nice cog.

I give him credit for that

Iverson fetishization was important for basketball

He was far more popular among then than niggas like me and
you


>Hopefully Stephenson keeps improving, so he can be a great
>sidekick to the Pacers All-Star SF Wunderkind.

Wunderkind?

Where?

>He should double that 9,4 and 3 from this year if he's as good
>as you say (He won't come near it).

Yeesh -- no way

I'd be happy with 14, 6 and 4. With his leadership and intangibles,
the value of that is much, much, much, better though. He's like
a dark lord Battier (in terms of effect, not game). He's makes teams
a LOT BETTER. LOT.

>But, he don't HAVE to. The Pacers can't be expecting that much
>from him. Out-muscling some I-talian, a fat nigga, an old dude
>and a dumb nigga ain't that impressive. No one's expecting
>ALL-STAR appearances from Lance, dogg. He's a nice cog.

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>
>Yeesh -- no way
>
>I'd be happy with 14, 6 and 4.

hell, EVERYONE would.

With his leadership and
>intangibles,
>the value of that is much, much, much, better though. He's
>like
>a dark lord Battier (in terms of effect, not game). He's makes
>teams
>a LOT BETTER. LOT.

Let's slow down. He's having a nice postseason. I'mma leave it there.


>>But, he don't HAVE to. The Pacers can't be expecting that
>much
>>from him. Out-muscling some I-talian, a fat nigga, an old
>dude
>>and a dumb nigga ain't that impressive. No one's expecting
>>ALL-STAR appearances from Lance, dogg. He's a nice cog.
>
>As is Paul George.

Cogs ain't centerpieces. Likes, you so mad, I've actually made you say that he's a cog and that other players exist on the Pacers that could even POSSIBLY be as important as PG. That's a flat out anger-induced cyse.

You just making it up as you go along

The agenda is:

Carmelo is not a franchise player, is not top 5, and we should
be mad at him because he's fat and doesn't work at his game

(LOL...SCORING TITLE nigga...mad)

THEN you cop pleas for him being the ALPHA DOG on a
Nugs team that went to WC Finals, losing to the champs

THEN you start talking some shit about how Lebron "worked
on his efficiency." Nigga, Lebron is more efficient because
he plays with two hall of famers in their prime and don't
need to handle the ball all the time. Being the best athlete
in the history of sports also helps..geez

SO Paul George has "a game more conducive to winning," but is
NOT a franchise player (I notice you never called him that)
but is a "centerpiece"

AND Paul George AINT EVEN THE BEST PLAYER ON HIS TEAM for
A SINGLE GAME this series, but somehow....wait..what was
your agenda?

>
>You just making it up as you go along
>
>The agenda is:
>
>Carmelo is not a franchise player, is not top 5, and we
>should
>be mad at him because he's fat and doesn't work at his game
>
>(LOL...SCORING TITLE nigga...mad)

A scoring title? That's your comeback? Cool.


>THEN you cop pleas for him being the ALPHA DOG on a
>Nugs team that went to WC Finals, losing to the champs

Ain't no plea cop. He was the best player on that team...and he had Billups helping him...a lot.

>THEN you start talking some shit about how Lebron "worked
>on his efficiency." Nigga, Lebron is more efficient because
>he plays with two hall of famers in their prime and don't
>need to handle the ball all the time. Being the best athlete
>in the history of sports also helps..geez

That's the most ridiculous shit you done said in a grip. LeBron and his coaches and trainers are on record saying he's become obsessed with how he scores and how he can put himself in the best position to score.

>
>SO Paul George has "a game more conducive to winning," but is
>
>NOT a franchise player (I notice you never called him that)
>but is a "centerpiece"

I called Harden, George and Kyrie FRANCHISE players BEFORE the playoffs. Go find it. I don't....actually, let me do you a solid, since you swimming upstream sideways like a retarded ass salmon right now.

http://board.okayplayer.com/okp.php?az=show_topic&forum=8&topic_id=2143663&mesg_id=2143663&listing_type=search

Nigga, when I WIN...it's because I take the risks and say shit on this board NO ONE else got the insights or sac to say. I made that thread because I MEANT it.

>AND Paul George AINT EVEN THE BEST PLAYER ON HIS TEAM for
>A SINGLE GAME this series, but somehow....wait..what was
>your agenda?

Even if this falsehood were true, the fact is...he was the best player on his team for the entire series.

nothing really to me and the fact that he had to be replaced by an all star point guard, an above average shooting guard and an above average center is telling about what the team needed to move on and also what iverson meant to them.

we've been through a hundred times and i'd wager 50 Gs you watched not one game of denver basketball in the 2009 season. you have already shown your ass by describing billups as "post prime," among numerous other things.

like basa, i was once a huge melo fan and had high hopes for him. as recently as durant's entry into the league, i was putting him on the edge of a group he clearly doesn't belong in (while durant does). it's a simple case of a guy showing potential and not realizing it. you adore those kind of loser ass players though (DC, CWebb, et al).

your boy lost, he got outplayed and he'll never be anything. for any shortcomings of other big scorers, including iverson, tiny, the iceman, the skywalker, bernard king and whomever the fuck else, they were all better than melo. he is detroit era jerry stackhouse, but with a little better field goal percentage and much higher body fat percentage.

Its true

Sorry I have to keep mentioning it, but we gotta
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this nigga called him Detroit ere jerry stackhouse with more body fat
bwhahahahahah

>

Clearly we dont talk about CP3 because what OE eloquently stated. Lotta hurt Iverstani posters just ganging up on Melo. Melo did his thing in the regular season and playoffs. He's one of the few I cant lay blame on the Knicks.

Iverson = embarrassed the country by being a ball hoggedy
loser

Carmelo = captain of the team the restored our image by
WILLINGLY PLAYING THE ROLE OF GARBAGE MAN-BANGER on the
2008 team (according to coach K)

Why is this relevant? Because again: most anti-Carmelo
commentary is authored directly by or influenced by
Iverstania


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Before Melo was in the league.

: - )

That's all I need to say to the onion breaths

Y'all haven't a sensible reply

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btw how many philly cats with freeway beards have you been kissing?

Beyond that I'm not participating in this troll shit.

is the real issue worth talking about here

Melo ran George's ass up and down the court

George is a poor man's Manu imo

If Melo ran him up and down the court and at the end of the series had bad numbers than got worse in crunch time AND a loss, then george ran for good reason.

i dont see a manu comparison unless you mean in terms of the size of contribution. even that is confusing since manu was a huge contributor to three championships and the star of a gold medal team.

george is a good player. is he better than anthony? i guess not if we are looking at video game ratings or something. but he would be the guy a winning team would want to have.

Weird




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ARTICLES have been written by people AT the games about how Melo got locked up with George on him.

>
>ARTICLES have been written by people AT the games about how
>Melo got locked up with George on him.

Y'all just cherry picking

Its pathetic

Carmelo had his nuts all over George the ENTIRE game

He always fades in the fourth quarter the same way
KD fades in the fourth quarter: its HARD CARRYING A
BUNCH OF BUMS the whole game

AND CARMELO WAS GUARDING DAVID FUCKING WEST, FUCKING
UP HIS BODY in the process

Carmelo gets zero credit for that, though

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We all saw George locking his ass up. Them fat boy fadeaway were useless against the lithe long-limbed youngster.

Like, that was the pivotal moment of the GAME
and George wasn't involved

bwahahahaha

Try again nigga


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and he got D'ed the fuck up out high and turned it over twice.

National media talkin about it. It's going in Melo's career narrative...that time Paul George locked up him repeatedly in the conference semis.

20,7,5 and 2 against Knicks, stuffing the stat sheet and making teammates better <-----PG...my guy...soon to be a max out contract perennial all-star, all-defense nigga. FRANCHISE!

Took Melo a decade to win a scoring title and that's what he known for. PG is all-defense in year 3...and he gonna stay there for a long time.

Why the stats show he was AWFUL with George actually guarding him?

Why you mad, dogg?

he ain't elite.

http://kentsterling.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/images14.jpg

so you may have won the battle but you lost the war.

Just a reminder

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Now I see it for what it is....some shit that don't matter because Melo ain't unselfish and folds in the NBA.

enjoy:

Pacers Insider: Larry Bird pops up and praises the team he helped build
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130519/SPORTS04/305190019/Pacers-Insider-Larry-Bird-pops-up-praises-team-he-helped-build


Larry Bird's faith in Lance Stephenson pays off for Pacers in vital moments against Knicks
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nba--larry-bird-s-faith-in-lance-stephenson-pays-off-for-pacers-in-vital-moments-against-knicks-080325704.html


http://onlyagame.wbur.org/files/2012/06/0626_oag_larry-bird.jpg

Or did they play one on one and I missed it?

Simple question.

Maybe he was daydreamin about LaLa

Maybe he just didn't play well

It's not like he has a history of playing poor in 4th qtrs

If anything it's the opposite.

Now please answer my question without asking another that's unrelated to mine.

It's a simple question.

Yours choked down the stretch, turning it over and going cold in the 4th over and over and over.

>Or did they play one on one and I missed it?

first time he ever did that, so he IS improving in some aspects

now he needs to work on not stopping the ball movement.

Pacers were the better team. PG played ok but all things considered Melo played well. 28.5ppg on 43% shooting, 7.8rpg is a solid series. This was really more about no one being able to stop David West offensively, Hibbert's defensive presence at the rim & the Pacers rebounding the ball. Also, for the most part the role players for Indy outplayed the role players for NY..


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
<---- 5....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dlgiritpmfo

=======================================
Occupy Big Government..

Fannie, Freddie dole out big bonuses
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67292.html

If you bringing the scoring, you better bring enough. 28 ain't shit.

absolutely. george was called upon to defend the nba scoring champion, increasingly so as the game went on. he did that and contributed in numerous other ways. people are talking like he average five points a night or something.

while discrediting Melo for being the scoring champion.

Melo shot a bit below what he did during the regular season but much better than he did against boston.

Not really that impressive in all honesty.

if you switch Melo and George do the knicks win the series?

all that shit gettin Cuban B'ed. Y'all were a two seed, let by a TOP FIVE nigga, and ya lost in the second round. That's on HIM. All that other shit...nope...not hearing it.

melo top 5 too? dope.

it don't matter. melo shit on himself in the 4th...several times.

we both agree tho that melo and george switch places Pacers still win.

right?

and they played some games...and we all saw george's team WIN.

>Pacers were the better team. PG played ok but all things
>considered Melo played well. 28.5ppg on 43% shooting, 7.8rpg
>is a solid series. This was really more about no one being
>able to stop David West offensively, Hibbert's defensive
>presence at the rim & the Pacers rebounding the ball. Also,
>for the most part the role players for Indy outplayed the role
>players for NY..

BASICALLY

And I'll definitely give Basa partial credit

which people are neglecting to give him credit for.

West 14.7 ppg on 45% shooting.

West did get a few put backs but all in all melo pretty much locked him down.

Of course, no one will mention it or give him credit
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George shot 26.7% on 3's yet shot 7.5 of them per game and turned the ball over 4.5 times a game, but no one wanna talk about that either.

Consistently.

There are stats to show it.

Melo didn't score much in the fourth, because ALL-D PG shut his ass down.

And George Hill in Game 4.


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they didn't.

George couldn't score on a SMALLER player coming off an
ACL

Carmelo was defended by a TALLER, LONGER player and had to
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Please note that we are going further and further down the rabbit hole just give you mad ass some semblance of solace.

Take away George and Lance takes his spot. Lance shot better from the field, rebounded better and took better care of the ball than George all series.

>Take away George and Lance takes his spot. Lance shot better
>from the field, rebounded better and took better care of the
>ball than George all series.
>
>


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And Melo drops 40 each game.

Let's examine this defense by the way:

Melo vs. Bos (primarily guarded by Bass)
29.2 ppg on 38 fg 26 3pt

Melo vs. Ind (primarily guarded by George)
28.5ppg on 43fg 34 3pt

So Bass did a better job guarding Melo than Paul George did.

damn.

Or maybe Melo just struggled.

Paul George was the 4th best defender and provided
excellent intangibles and ball handling.


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Stats don't support you

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nm

scoring all 4 quarters if Melo is as poor a defender as people want to claim.

>scoring all 4 quarters if Melo is as poor a defender as
>people want to claim.

Like, GREAT and he was COMPLETELY OUTMATCHED PHYSICALLY

I wasn't even going to bring this up...now we have to
talk about how Paul George was probably the 4th best
defender in the series:

In order, Hibbert, Carmelo, Shumpert, George

This is embarrassing

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David West's offense regular season
David West's Round 1 vs Hawks
David West's Round 2 vs. Carmelo

Carmelo held him to the lowest production

Those differences are larger than the discrepancies
for Carmelo with Paul George

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West had three double doubles against the Knicks, none against Atlanta. He averaged 17 PPG and 7 RPG during the season, he averaged 15 and 7 against the Knicks in the series. He shot 45% in the series, that's a little lower, but again, hardly "locked down" when you consider sample size (about 70 shots) and the fact that Hibbert and Stephenson were getting some more touches.

Conversely, Melo shot below 40% three times in the series and up until Game 6 he was just as far off his scoring pace from the season and further under his fg% for the season than West was. We have already seen how drastically those numbers dropped when George was on him.

Oh, and what did he do against George and Indy during the regular season? Only get in foul trouble, average 22 per game, shoot 38% and average a whopping 0.7 APG.

BYE.

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lihjjjgSbd1qg1naao1_250.gif

you can't have it both ways. No one feels fuckin sorry for you, dogg. Melo IS a shitty defender and that's why Floor Game Paul was throwing them sweet ass lob entries to West in the post....because he KNOWS how to think out there and he's unselfish.

So, don't be up in here tryna pretend like you Rational when you co-signing insanely dumb shit like Melo guarded David West BETTER than Paul George guarded Melo.

Y'all feelings got fuckin 3rd degree burns up in here. It's sad.

west...he's not getting it from haters though.

wtf are you talking about?

>Either Melo gets credit for guarded West or NOT

you in here making zero sense again.

>that's why Floor Game Paul was throwing them sweet ass lob entries to West in the post....because he KNOWS how to think out there and he's unselfish.

yeah, I wish Melo would throw sweet lobs into tysonned so he can operate against hibbert.

The score was tied at the start of the 4th. You niggas say he FRIED PG up to that point. Why'd he only score 4 after-of which 2 were garbage, as Bomb pointed out?

Why did a nigga who gets paid to score CONSISTENTLY come up lacking in The 4th quarter with ALL-D PG on him?

Just answer me that.

See I don't need to make excuse for Paul missing shots and all his TOs, BECAUSE HE FOUND WAYS TO WIN.

win the series?

and fuck them fred savage judge reinhold lindsey lohan theories you tryna throw out to deflect, nigga. i said from JUMP, don't cop no fuckin pleas about who got who and who do what.

Melo threw the damn ball away TWICE in crucial situations in the clutch.

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that's ALL i care about.

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Unfortunately BORN READY was there to bring it home
for Indiana while Paul George was standing around and
looking sleepy


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they shoulda WON.

>they shoulda WON.

And in the playoffs, their center was hurt and their
#2 scorer was on cocaine

They overachieved and got exploited in a bad matchup
against a huge, athletic team

A #2 seed losing to a #3 seed is hardly something to
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>>they shoulda WON.
>
>And in the playoffs, their center was hurt and their
>#2 scorer was on cocaine

no one gives a shit.

>They overachieved and got exploited in a bad matchup
>against a huge, athletic team

only nigga in that starting lineup that's any kinda athletic worth mentioning is PAUL GEORGE.

>A #2 seed losing to a #3 seed is hardly something to
>cry about

then stop crying, dogg.

>Unless your name is Basaglia and you're pressed

this thread doing Thriller numbers because of Y'ALL MAD...not me. I'm just Quincy laying down beats behind this here glass. You the niggas dancing and screaming.

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David West vs. Atlanta 16.3 ppg on 48.8 %

David West vs. Knicks 14.7 ppg on 45.1 %

What do you want to characterize that as?

>David West vs. Atlanta 16.3 ppg on 48.8 %
>
>David West vs. Knicks 14.7 ppg on 45.1 %
>
>What do you want to characterize that as?

Against an undersized stretch 4, no less.

ConcreteChuck, don't let these mad nigga derail you with this desperate shit.

Melo gettin FRIED.

Contributing in many ways

The difference between David West's regular season stats
and those vs. Carmelo was bigger than the difference between
Carmelo's regular season stats and those versus George

Its etherous

I'd back off this point, you have no where to go

You've got shitty breath Iverstanians backing you up

Not the best reinforcements, they are hungry but can't
shoot straight


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especially one that has the ball that much.

Carmelo defense better


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in other words, someone else mentioned it and you ran with it.

west still had an impact on the series, his team still won and his numbers were all of one field goal off from the regular season. whooptydamndoooo (c) DC

that's smaller than the one melo had being guarded by george.

it's funny how this defense thing took over two weeks to even come up, you guys are reaching with this shit now. if his defense was so incredible, why didn't it come up against the one dimensional argument immediately?

And not as good a defender as Carmelo.

Discuss.

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Because before it was about how George was gonna
outplay Carmelo, which he didn't

George wasn't the most valuable player on his team

Wasn't the clutch player who carried his team


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Well dAMN

You just should have told me that earlier, with
your black self

It woulda saved us bof some time

I mean, I don't want to be fighting against the tide
of sum articles

Sheeit