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2162852, Your header is a dumb, completely irrelevant argument.
Posted by Cold Truth, Mon Apr-15-13 05:48 PM
You can add Tim's 03 team to that mix with Dream and Dirk though.

I realize you're trying to make it appear that Dirk and Dream had better supporting casts than they had, but it's not needed. Dirk beat a team with three HOF players in their prime years without a player on his squad anywhere near his level at the time, ditto with Dreams cast. NY was similarly constructed though so that was a pretty fair match-up.

None of them had a second HOF level player in their prime years at the time like most champs have. If you want to turn that particular distinction into a pissing contest where we evaluate each individual player on their respective teams to determine who had the best supporting cast out of those three, be my guest.

The point was that those who win without another prime time, HOF level player on their squad is rare. Plenty of guys have solid teams like Dirk and Dream and Duncan during the years in question, but the list of guys who win titles with those types of teams sans a true-blue HOF level player in their prime years at the time is extremely short.

In fact, when Kobe won his last two, it's arguable whether he has a HOF player at his side. Pau gets in on the international tip, but not his NBA career. Laker haters are always quick to shoot him down as a HOF level player qhen looking at his NBA career until Kobe comes into play, where Pau is suddenly one of the best big men the game has ever seen.

Let's not even pretend Socks was in peak form in 09, and we all know 08 was a two man show with Lamar showing up on occasion as the perfect third wheel in that mix.

Kobe had very good squads in 08/09, but HOF talent, prime years? Nope. Mike can't say that. Neither can Magic or Bird or even Lebron. Shaq certainly can't say that, considering the out-of-his mind level Kobe played during most of those runs (as you ought to remember, he absolutely ass-fucked the Spurs on two occasions) and Wade went beserk for Shaq's final ring.

Their team mates were in their peak, HOF level best when they won. While Kobe's team still had a prime time player in Pau, let's not pretend he wasn't spotty as fuck after his game 1 destruction of denver.