Admittedly, I missed the good part of his career and only caught the tail end post injury. However, I'm well informed of his legend through the years. Or was it mostly "New York hype"??

Obviously he wasn't no Bron but how does he compare to say Melo as BOTH a scorer and a player? Team player or lone gunner? And who were his main rivals?

I'm trying to gauge how nice he was in his prime

I wasn't around either, so in the back of my Melo-fanboy mind I'd like to annoint him, but...


Every time I peel back a lil' of King's story, I feel like I'm hearing/reading about some kind of mini-Wilt that was all buckets, all times.


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The best midrange game I've ever seen...and at the point he was in NY, it was him and Bill Cartwright for sec, but mostly him, and it didn't matter who guarded him..he was a machine.

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Bernard King was a beast period and back then you had a era of Prolific scorers and you had to truly have something special to stand out and Man did he ever.

even when he played with the Bullets he still had moments.

to me he is the best player that Patrick Ewing didn't get to catch at his best, because had he they might have won a chip or the very least been a runner up.

B King was balling in a hands on era and also he overcame so much. believe me with this current knicks rotation and the way they spread the rock B King could take Mello and JR Smith with one hand tied behind his back.

B King was busting turkeys left and right. i mean he was that cat between a Jordan and Wilkins and could hold his own.

I mean, wow
There was literally nothing you can do against him...and I'm a big Melo fan. But King can do it with either hand, fast as hell, and strong in a really physical era

Bernard King was the reason I became a Knicks fan (mostly due to my dad and uncles loving him so much)

If Melo had them injuries he'd be sitting out..

not even in his class in my humble opinion

you put B king on those nuggets team mello played on and this current knicks team and let him have the green light and he might average 40 plus a night. he was lethal in a hand check era and knocking you on your butt era, bring him to now and he is 3 times scary.

and b king was a pre cursor to charles barkley in the undersize department

and make some of them

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Pretty cool video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZMmKGgTh1I

Back to back 50 point games is insane. I'm too young to remember him, too, but from everything my father tells me, he could have been in the conversation for the best forward ever if not for his injury.

My dad had some friends on Tennessee's football team during the same time that Bernard played there. My dad went up there one Saturday morning when Tennessee was scheduled to play Alabama in basketball later that day. My dad knocks on his friend's door and a huge dude wearing a trench coat answers the door. It was Bernard King. King let him in, and then proceeded to pull a bong out of his trenchcoat and get completely baked. Keep in mind this was just hours before they played.

He went out that night and dropped 40. While high.

He was a wild dude in college.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kingbe01.html

particularly that's a high field goal percentage for a guy who was actually closer to 6-4 than 6-7.....

the high field goal percentage at that size...and under 3 turnovers a game for a few of those years...



I know Mello shoots more 3's but Bernard shot 10% higher from the field compared to Mello some years...

That's why his FG% higher

So from what I'm getting so far, Melo is no comparison, okay.

So then, was he as good/better than T-Mac in his prime? Perhaps thats a better comparison being that both had HOF trajectory before injuries.

BK was a PF is a small forward's body, T-Mac was a point-forward

never saw king play, but the numbers are pretty equivalent. king was a slightly better scorer, but that could have been tipped because of the era.

not bad for a third-tier above-average scorer who's not good at anything else.

So then Carmelo is a Hall of Famer. Cool

Melo scores lots of them. So did Bernard King.

I've asked countless times for Knicks fans to list some other things that Melo is good at. No one has even tried, so it doesn't seem like my stance is controversial.

And then list Kidd and Chandler as examples of efficient scorers.

C'mon.

>Melo scores lots of them. So did Bernard King.

So did AI. Except Melo and King were more efficient.


>I've asked countless times for Knicks fans to list some other
>things that Melo is good at. No one has even tried, so it
>doesn't seem like my stance is controversial.

O_E and I think Cenario did.

NAH I SWEAR WE TOTSLLY EXPLAINED WHAT MELO IS GOOD AT THE OTHER DAY, DON'T HAVE TIME RIGHT NOW. WHAT'S THAT OH PHONE IS RINGING GOTA TAKE THIS CALL WILL TELL YOU ALL ABOUT MELOS GOOD ATTRIBUTES LATER HE SUPER AWESOME THO

also as O_E and Cenario told you before (which you lied about nobody giving you an answer btw), he's a good passer and a pretty good offensive rebounder.

Neither of those things are true. He's an average passer for either forward position in assists, and an average offensive rebounder for SF (and below average as a PF, where he's spent most of this season). Try again

HEY MAN YEAH CARMELO SUOER GOOD AT MAD DIFFFERNT THINGS HANG ON LOOK IVERSON IVERSON IVERSON EVEN THOUGH WE'RE IN A POST ABOUT CAMRLEO ANTHYONG IVERSON IVERSON IVERSON

YEAH, I KNOW IVERSON WAS BETTER WHEN THEY WERE IN THE SAME FUCKING TEAM IN THE TWIGHLIGHT OF IVERSONS CAREER BUT I REALLY WANT TO TALK ABOUT HIS EFFICIENET INA POST AOBUHT CARMOSO

Hint: if you find yourself regurgitating points from that bozo OE, reconsider.

a lot of times, he doesn't get those types of calls, so he doesn't go into the pain. Additionally, BK's shot the ball going up and had a high release point which made him so hard to guard, so he get the shot of even if he didn't create space for himself...but pre-knee injury, he had an amazing first step too, so all that together made him deadly. Personally, I think his prime is better than Melo's, but that isn't a knock on Melo. Melo has continued to improve and I think he will eventually surpass King.

in the hole

but

w/o question King was the better player...

I will say that Melo has more versatility scoring the ball - he's mostly a jump shooter but he can also take you off the dribble, take you in the post, and he has the midrange game

King on the other hand mostly did his work in the low post which made his ability to score all the more impressive because more times than not, you had to put a bigger player on him down in the low blocks, he was too difficult to guard in the post for 95% of the small forwards back then. In addition, Becaused he played nearer to the basket than Melo does, it made him the more efficient scorer of the two.

King once led the league in scoring at 32.9ppg...Melo may go on to win the scoring title but he's averaging a little over 28ppg and this has been his best season offensively.

King also played in an era where the small forward position had far greater players playing the position than the 3's Melo is going up against (Lebron & Durant are the only *elite* small forwards in the game, all others are good to average), so it says a lot abt the player he was for him to be amongst the elite players at his position when you had all time greats and HOF type players at that position
-Bird
-Dr.J
-James Worthy
-Marcus Johnson
-Dominique Wilkins
-Adrian Dantley
-Mark Aguirre
-Alex English

Also, when the list for the 50 greatest players came out 1996, Bernard King was the player I heard more than anyone else who other former players said should've made the list (Nique and Dantley got some mentions)

Melo as of right now is not even on track to make the HOF, let alone being thought of as one of the greatest players to ever play. He still has time but as of right now he's not a better player than Bernard King was...

It's funny because it most certainly is close, and I'm sure everyone in here knows that but they gotta make their point.

You can be certain that it is actually VERY close.

at least at this point and I'm not trying to slight Melo nor is my opinion agenda driven

but for injuries is thee only reason why King isn't mentioned in the same breath as other great players during his era. When healthy, you saw greatness in him...having said that, he still had a great (HOF) career and in many people's opinion, including many of his peers, he should've been chosen as one of the 50 greatest players ever...

Honestly, at this point in Melo's career, do you see him going down as an all time great player? Because that's the trajectory he should be if we're saying he's comparable to Bernard King...

I remember him leading the league in scoring for much of the 91 season with the Bullets, and it was a great story about how years later on a rebuilt knee he'd finally made it back to being one of the elite players in the league. Then he was gone, and played a little with the Nets a few years later.

Did he get hurt again? If he did, I don't remember that. Or was it just that his knees were done and he took 92 off, and that ended up being it for him?

Another knee operation, this time to remove cartilage, was performed before the 1991-92 season, and it eventually took its toll. He missed that campaign, then was waived by the Bullets in January of 1993. He latched on with the Nets and played 32 games before retiring after the 1992-93 season. King had scored 19,655 points for a career average of 22.5 ppg

So, there's that.

It's one of those better player vs better career arguments

BK is the better player

but Melo has the better career

due to injuries (given Melo's injuries, consider that statement)

but BK was unstoppable

when healthy

on any given night he could go for 50

he's in that Mitch Richmond class

you had to see it to appreciate it

BK and Melo are a good comparison

but I'd take a healthy BK >>>

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....sad they never even got to start a single game together as Knicks


Melo is on his way to eclipsing BK though.. thats one thing that Knick fans need to realize and maybe they'll appreciate Melo more than they already do..

Theu weren't beating any of magics lakers, birds celtics, bad boy pistons or the bulls dude

Melo is a little better than the 30 PPG on a shitty team bionic King that came back but before his knee went King was better. Silky smooth, an old school scoring machine from the three. People are pointing to range, FOH, of course guys have more range today. 3pt shot is just a way bigger part of the game now.

He would use the 3 pt line just to set up his midrange....

If you want to throw 3's out because its such a different game....look at FT%.

Melo - 81%, Bernard - 73%.

And if you throw 3's out, then you need to "FOH" those talking about King shot 10% higher from the floor because obviously that will happen when all his shots come from 15 and in, and hundreds of Melo's come from 20+ feet.

Bernard was deadly in the post, baseline, and with those 12 footers. Melo's got more range on his J though.

It's a real good comparison. Points, rebounds, and assists are all very similar.

That's career, prime, whatever. Melo's best is .575, King topped .600 three times. Similarly Melo's eFG% has crept over 50% a couple times, OK, but King's is solidly above that mark for his entire career.

If we are talking efficiency, smoothness, playing in the flow, etc, this is just type of contest at all.

I couldn't really speak to King's rebounding, his best years on the glass were before my time. That seems like a wash on paper.