I read the book, which was among the best biographies
ever (strongly recommend), but finally got around to
watching the flick.

Damn near got teary-eyed several times.

There is an argument that he is the best coach of
all-time, period.

And as I remind y'all he won JUCO, NIT, NCAA AND
FIBA medals (coached Panama to a gold medal in a
Latin American tournament). No other coach has
even won JUCO, NIT and NCAA tourneys. That is the
track record of a guy who BUILDS winners. Was given
NO CHANCES and did the MOST with them.

That's right: he's won coaching in TWO LANGUAGES (English
and Spanish...documentary didn't even cover this). He
was born in a barrio along the Mexican border and grew up
with Mexicans, speaking spanish (like seriously -- how
fascinating is this guy's life?)

And I VIVIDLY remember the 94 'chip game being billed as
Duke's intelligence and teamwork vs. Arkansas' athleticism
and talent. In HINDSIGHT that was 100% RACISM. Literally
Duke had BETTER ATHLETES AT EVERY SINGLE POSITION and
Arkansas didn't have a player with 1/10000th Grant Hill's
athleticism or talent (Corliss was a muscular tweener and
a career role player in the NBA).

And RICK PITINO BIT NOLAN'S ENTIRE STYLE. Like the WHOLE
FUCKING THING. I've LOST respect for Rick Pitino. You
think its a coincidence he wins the 'chip RIGHT AFTER
Nolan? Me neither. He copied the press to a T and won
with faaaaarr better players coaching the MOST prestigious
program in basketball.


Didn't know that he was finally brought back in 2009
to celebrate the 94 team and that Arkansas current coach
is his assistant from those 90s teams. I have a new
favorite team in college basketball.


Woo Pig Sooie!!!

Like "Umm, Pitino was doing the exact same thing
and being called a genius"

I was like: "Daaayuum"


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he coached.

He coached the same way when he was at Providence, the Knicks and from there on out.

That could be his downfall at times.

And the Arkansas team was good. Had talent. Lots of it.

They were a higher seed than Duke and were a better team.

Duke just had one of the best college basketball players of our time pulling an inexperienced group to within a 3 pointer of cutting down the nets.

After Grant you had...

Cherokee? Wet behind the ears, and made himself into a good player eventually.

Antonio Lang? Experience and athletic.

Chris Collins? Ummmm yep

Freshman Jeff Capel? Ummmm yep

I like Nolan. Wish he still coached the Razorbacks. Those were great games. They were a great rival.

Rick Pitino didn't win cuz of Nolan. That shit is ridiculous.

EONS.

To suggest otherwise is just plain racism.

Grant Hill and four dildos would have had more
talent than Arkansas.

Grant Hill AND Cherokee Parks were lottery picks.

Parks had a long but ineffective career as a bench
big man, but he PLAYED in the NBA.

Antonio Lang was a FAAAAR better athlete than anyone
on Arkansas' team. By FAR.

Corey Beck was a fat, feisty point guard who did nothing
on offense, at all.

Arkansas only *appeared* deeper because Nolan had
all of his guys ready to play. That was his philosophy.
Anyone could step in and KNEW THEIR ROLE. The 1994
Arkansas team is probably the best coached team I've
ever seen.

Arkansas was ALL HEART, determination and intangibles.

It just wasn't perceived that way because white people
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I actually watched both.

Cherokee was okay then, but became a lottery pick talent the following year when it was his team. Before then, he was just the "big white guy after Christian with the funny name".

Antonio Lang was a runner and jumper. That's it. He had experience though and played solid defense.

Corey Beck and Clint McDaniel formed the best defensive backcourt at the time. And they both hit open shots.

Corliss was one of the best HS players in country. Then went on to be one of the best and most dominant college players in the country. He was strong as shit and fast. Had great hands and feet. He was a monster.

And Scotty Thurman was one of the best shooters in the country at 6'7.

They were formidable. Thats why they went back to the Title game the following year.

Dwight Stewart was fat as shit and shot threes.

Alex Dillard was a little Nate Robinson type nigga.

You niggers don't even have the right Arkansas team.

If you want to talk about a good Arkansas team then you
are talking about the 91 team with Todd Day and Lee Mayberry.

*THAT* was the most talented team that Nolan ever coached.

Both of those guys were actually good.

Of course, they lost to eventual champion Duke (who was
far superior to Arkansas)

>Cherokee was okay then, but became a lottery pick talent the
>following year when it was his team. Before then, he was just
>the "big white guy after Christian with the funny name".

He was already one of the best big men in the ACC, had
a fabulously diverse game and was head and shoulders
better than any center on Arkansas.

>Antonio Lang was a runner and jumper. That's it. He had
>experience though and played solid defense.

He played outstanding defense, could defend 3 positions
and played with fierce intangibles. He was so long and
athletic he almost BLOCKED that Scottie Thurman 3 pointer.

>Corey Beck and Clint McDaniel formed the best defensive
>backcourt at the time. And they both hit open shots.

Corey Beck was fat. Clint McDaniel was feisty and a
good shooter. Neither was very good. It was all coaching.

>Corliss was one of the best HS players in country. Then went
>on to be one of the best and most dominant college players in
>the country. He was strong as shit and fast. Had great hands
>and feet. He was a monster.

He was 6'5. He was good because of intangibles, smarts,
positioning and footwork. Nolan had him looking like a
world beater. He was 6'5, had zero handles, no lateral
quickness.

He got by in the NBA for over a decade just by being
feisty and smart. Dejuan Blair light.

>And Scotty Thurman was one of the best shooters in the country
>at 6'7.

Didn't even get drafted. Fell asleep for long periods
at a time. Again: heady, smart, did the right thing with
the ball, Not on the same planet as good as Todd Day was.

>They were formidable. Thats why they went back to the Title
>game the following year.

Coaching.

>Dwight Stewart was fat as shit and shot threes.

Yup. Coaching. Nolan had this motion-style offense
that allowed him to slip out to the top of the key
while crashing a guard for rebound help.

>Alex Dillard was a little Nate Robinson type nigga.

He got in the game and make a sportcenter three pointer
from 30 feet once every two games. Didn't do much else,
though. And to compare him to Nate is ignorant. Dillard
was not explosive on a break, had no lateral quickness.
He was all three point range.


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to make it seem like you know what you're talking about?

I think all of Arkansas' guards were better than Collins and Capel, so I can't rock with the "Duke was way more talented."

Hill was obviously the best player on the floor, but let's not underrated Corliss just because he was a short PF.....because he was damn good, and had a long and at times productive NBA career too(way better than Parks).

And I agree that Arkansas had intangibles, good mix of players fitting into their roles, and a well developed bench.

But Duke really wasn't that good other than Hill. Look at what happened to them the next year, with Collins, Capel, and Parks all back.

>I think all of Arkansas' guards were better than Collins and
>Capel, so I can't rock with the "Duke was way more talented."

Beck was a fat leader at PG. Did absolutely nothing on
offense. McDaniel was feisty and could hit an open 3.

Dillard did nothing but hit Harlem Globetrotter threes
every once in a while.

For you to say that they were better than Capel and Collins
is simply offensive. Its not true.

Arkansas took mediocre guys and made them fit the system.


>Hill was obviously the best player on the floor, but let's not
>underrated Corliss just because he was a short PF.....because
>he was damn good, and had a long and at times productive NBA
>career too(way better than Parks).


Hill was already an NBA All-Star playing in college.

Corliss was a 6'5 forward with no ball handling skills. He
got by on intangibles and hard work, all taught by Nolan.

They weren't in the same discussion in regards to talent.

>And I agree that Arkansas had intangibles, good mix of players
>fitting into their roles, and a well developed bench.

They had awful talent, actually. Just a perfect system that
everyone understood.

>But Duke really wasn't that good other than Hill. Look at
>what happened to them the next year, with Collins, Capel, and
>Parks all back.

Look what happened to Arkansas after they lost their ONLY
NBA player.

Riiiight.

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I mean, if they were actually GOOD....wouldn't they have been able to somewhat carry the team when they became upperclassmen?

They were the starting backcourt on a runnerup team as freshman/sophomore.....they didn't do a damn thing on bad teams the next few years. I think both of them even lost their starting jobs at some point.....and not on good teams either. Those were the worst Duke teams I've ever seen, and these guys couldn't even consistently get run, let alone do anything with it!

They were never good...at anything. Dillard was a better shooter than either of them(not even close either). Beck was a better defender and decision maker than both of them(Capel and Collins were both erratic). I mean, Beck in the NBA for awhile, it's not even close. McDaniel was a better defender and could knock down 3's too.

Grant Hill was great, those guards were not good.

And Big Nasty was one of the best players in the country and most sought after recruits.

And Scotty was one of the best shooters in the country.

I have no idea what he's defining as talent. Maybe he's making it something undefinable or vague on purpose.

But Cherokee Parks had a wonderfully diverse game, loaded with talent, but Corliss sucked but was smart and well coached. LOL.

Oh, and Corliss was "Dejuan Blair" light in the NBA.....but he was somehow 6th man of the year at some point and probably had 7-8 seasons that were better than anything Blair has done(or will likely do).

And I actually agree with the point that Nolan was an excellent coach! But damn, OE you're going so far out of your way to prove a point that doesn't need to be proven that you're just saying some wildly exaggerated shit. C'mon.

Yet he's some bum?

Actually, Grant Hill right today, at 40 y/o is
probably a better player than Corliss was in his
prime, but let's not let facts get in the way of
Billy Ocean's quest to impress white people

Carry on, I got more data

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But continue with your misrepresentation of sports facts in an effort to seem like a groundbreaking militant, but ultimately leads you to looking like a Silly Ass Nigga.

I enjoy exposing you and watch you talk in circles.

BillyOcean: "The 95 Razorbacks lost to UCLA because Nolan
can't coach, but the 93 Kentucky Wildcats lost to Michigan
because Michigan was better"

That might not even be the dumbest thing you said in this
thread

Keep going, I got more


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Because I never said Nolan can't coach.

UCLA did not beat Arkansas because of poor coaching
by Nolan Richardson.

That is one of the most obscenely offensive things
I've ever heard uttered.

And you got caught BLATANTLY in a double standard.

BLATANTLY.


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I mean...I knew when I hit the first reply that I was gonna win.

Because I'm right.

And I knew you'd drag this out. Because that's what you do.

Just say more and more ridiculous claims as this escalates and then give up.

- What specific moves could Nolan Richardon have
made to increase their odds of beating UCLA?

Because the ones you mentioned are actually entire
false-

"Slowing the game down on defense" is stupid because
it allows opposing teams like UCLA to utilize their
height and length EVEN MORE. 40 Minutes of Hell is
perfect for a team with deficiencies one on one.
Arkansas had NO SHOT BLOCKER in the half court and
their wing defenders didn't have great lateral
quickness (Beck was fat. He was great because he was
smart, heady...old Jason Kidd-lite. Thurman was slow.
Williamson was 6'5)

And UCLA did slow the game down on offense. Arkansas
was great because Nolan managed to coach two things
well at the same time:

- Fast paced chaos on defense

- Methodical, motion-lite, ball movement on
offense

They got beat by a team they matched up very poorly
against.

It wasn't coaching. And for you to suggest that it was
coaching is offensive.


Apologize, nigga.


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Drag Zidek away from the basket with Corliss and stop pressing because that played into UCLA's favor.

LOL

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Because of his deft ball handling and court
vision

(I'm crying right now)

Actually, by the time Corliss was a lot more
effective and had adapted his game nicely to
the combo forward position...played a good
3...but in college? LOL. LOL.

Oh, and you still haven't touched my request
for a definitive Pitino > Nolan Richardson
argument

Hint: There is none.


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You can read.

Initial argument was Pitino didn't steal anything from Nolan.

You're convinced that Nolan Richardson is not among
the best coaches of all time because Corliss Williamson
has hidden Jamal Mashburn skills that could have
defeated UCLA in `1995

Me and Warren are laughing at that, and you know thats
bullshit

To redeem yourself, simply explain why Pitino was a better
coach than Nolan Richardson

I'm listening

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Because you keep trying to draw a parallel with my argument where there isn't.

Fuck K

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>And Big Nasty was one of the best players in the country and
>most sought after recruits.

LOL @ High School

Arkansas' best player wasn't in the same stratosphere
as good as Duke's best player

>And Scotty was one of the best shooters in the country.

Second best player, undrafted, CBA

Duke's second best player was a lottery pick

Not that difficult, guys


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And if you're looking for a good sports book,
I'd strongly recommend reading the biography

Really quite a fascinating man


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"I ORBITs the solar system, listenin..."

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(nobody would ever say that btw).

When you can't overcome an adjustments of:

1.) Lets put big George Zidek on Corliss.

2.) Lets keep pressing, even though the Bruins are more athletic and the only thing Cameron Dollar can really do is dribble fast. You get back and make them shoot in the halfcourt.

The 1993 Kentucky Wildcats lost to the Michigan
Wolverines because they couldn't adjust to Juwan
Howard defending Jamal Mashburn. And Juwan didn't
have anything close to the lateral quickness to
defend Mashburn.

One of the worst coaching decisions ever.

And the 1993 Kentucky Wildcat press SUCKED.

Note how the 94 Arkansas team ran shot over
the Fab Four (still with 2 lottery picks and
WAAAAAYYYY more talent than the Razorbacks).

>(nobody would ever say that btw).

Because people are racist.

>When you can't overcome an adjustments of:
>
>1.) Lets put big George Zidek on Corliss.

Corliss was 6'5 and a half, idiot. And Corliss
couldn't handle the ball worth a damn, so unlike
Mashburn, taking Zidek out on the perimeter wasn't
an option (Again: Nolan didn't have the options
that Pitino did and still won just as much)

What that game exposed is that Arkansas were overachievers
and were being led by a muscular power forward with shooting
guard height. When they faced a team that was taller and
longer, Corliss was average and they couldn't dominate.

>2.) Lets keep pressing, even though the Bruins are more
>athletic and the only thing Cameron Dollar can really do is
>dribble fast. You get back and make them shoot in the
>halfcourt.

Ummm they'd been smashing athletic teams for YEARS with
the press, idiot. The press wasn't the problem. The
problem is that UCLA was so much longer.


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>
>
>The 1993 Kentucky Wildcats lost to the Michigan
>Wolverines because they couldn't adjust to Juwan
>Howard defending Jamal Mashburn. And Juwan didn't
>have anything close to the lateral quickness to
>defend Mashburn.
>

Mash ate up the Wolverines. Battled them dudes the entire game.

They lost to Michigan, because they weren't good enough. It was Mash and nothing else. Travis Ford wasn't hitting.

Jalen Rose was substantially better than ALL OF OUR GUARDS.

Lol

>One of the worst coaching decisions ever.
>
>And the 1993 Kentucky Wildcat press SUCKED.
>

Well since you wrote that detailed argument, I guess it did "suck". Lol.

I'm gonna lean on the fact that they routinely undressed their opponents and outscored them by an average of 17.5 ppg.

But hey do you.

>Note how the 94 Arkansas team ran shot over
>the Fab Four (still with 2 lottery picks and
>WAAAAAYYYY more talent than the Razorbacks).
>

Wow....maybe the Wildcats could've done the same to the Wolverines if the #1 pick overall who happened to score 27 and 13 wasn't there.

Maybe the Wolverines were not as good without Chris Webber.

Think about that for a minute.

What say you?

>>(nobody would ever say that btw).
>
>Because people are racist.
>
>>When you can't overcome an adjustments of:
>>
>>1.) Lets put big George Zidek on Corliss.
>
>Corliss was 6'5 and a half, idiot. And Corliss
>couldn't handle the ball worth a damn, so unlike
>Mashburn, taking Zidek out on the perimeter wasn't
>an option (Again: Nolan didn't have the options
>that Pitino did and still won just as much)
>


Corliss was 6'7 and could shoot. George Zidek shuts you down, there's a problem.

Take him out to 10 ft, dribble right around him.


>What that game exposed is that Arkansas were overachievers
>and were being led by a muscular power forward with shooting
>guard height. When they faced a team that was taller and
>longer, Corliss was average and they couldn't dominate.
>

Taller? Not at all. They had Zidek and that's it. J.R. Henderson wasn't stopping Corliss.

And Corliss would shit on us, and we were taller.

Corliss shitted on Duke. They were taller.

Corliss shitted on UNC. They were taller.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DB7NafleKpk


>>2.) Lets keep pressing, even though the Bruins are more
>>athletic and the only thing Cameron Dollar can really do is
>>dribble fast. You get back and make them shoot in the
>>halfcourt.
>
>Ummm they'd been smashing athletic teams for YEARS with
>the press, idiot. The press wasn't the problem. The
>problem is that UCLA was so much longer.


They weren't though.

UCLA was inexperienced and beat them at their own shit. They outworked them. It was just a run and jump fest.

Ed would get the rebounds on the defensive end or crash on the offensive end. Toby and Charles would run out. Cameron was getting outlet passes and was like a blur.

Ran them out the gym.

>Mash ate up the Wolverines. Battled them dudes the entire
>game.
>
>They lost to Michigan, because they weren't good enough. It
>was Mash and nothing else. Travis Ford wasn't hitting.


Wait-

So Kentucky lost to Michigan because they weren't good
enough.

But Arkansas lost to UCLA because Richardson is a bad
coach and didn't make adjustments?

Not because UCLA had the player of the year in Ed O'Bannon,
two of the 5 most athletic swingmen in the country (Charles
O and Toby Bailey...this isn't close to debatable), and a
first round pick at center (Zidek)?

^See how racism works, y'all. I mean, you got blacks
hating blacks up in here, defending white men using
double standards.

^*This* is why Richardson gets no respect. Not because of
racist crackas. But pseudo-down niggas like BillyOcean.

I've honestly lost respect for you, Billy. I almost
demand an apology at this stage.

Fandom is one thing. But you are seriously looking like
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Let me break it down for you.

Kentucky lost to the Fab Five with the #1 pick in the NBA DRAFT a year after THEY WENT TO THE NCAA FINALS.

They were not as good as them. Even with Mashburn.

You with me so far?

As the DEFENDING NATIONAL CHAMPIONS. WITH THEIR ENTIRE TEAM BACK. The RAZORBACKS lost to an INEXPERIENCED UCLA TEAM WITHOUT THEIR STARTING POINT GUARD.

Did you get that?

Lol at you calling Charles O'Bannon and Toby Bailey 2 of the 5 most athletic wingmen in the country.

GTFOH.

And I love them dudes to this day as some of my favorite players.

That.

Was not.

The Case.

Is Cameron Dollar the best POINT GUARD in the Country too?

What about bench mastermind Jim Harrick?

Now it's racists cuz you're on here looking at a fool pretending you know about hoops?

Fact is: Nolan Richardson is a great coach. Nobody will ever say he's one of the best basketball coaches ever, because it's not true.

I didn't mean to mess up a Boho Nigga's Monday. Your sweat is gonna ruin your wooden necklaces.

My bad.

By pointing out the UCLA was actually far, far, far, better
than Arkansas, which is true. It wasn't a fucking COACHING
decision that lost that game. It was superior talent.

Explain what coaching move would have beat that UCLA
team that day. What adjustment? What substitution?

What move?

I'm listening, UncleBilly.

Oh, and explain to me how Pitino is a better
coach than Nolan. Give the evidence. I'm honestly
listening (Calipari isn't even in the discussion and
not even you would argue that)

I'm listening.


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Wait....

How'd you manage to get him to do that?

He typically has nothing positive to say about the Bruins. Especially their last title.

***sighs***

I watched the Razorbacks. They were our biggest rival at the time.

I know how good they were. And how dominant they were.

I know how good Corliss was.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Warren did not watch much Razorback basketball back then.

For the same reason he dominated Rasheed Wallace one of the best post defenders in the NBA for years, he could've managed to beast George Zidek.

I know if they would've slowed it down and played half court against an inexperienced Bruins team without their starting pg they would've faired better.

Also if UCLA was such a great team, why when they returned everyone who won played in the title game except Ed and George did they lose to Princeton in the First Round the following year?

You said that Arkansas lost because Nolan didn't
adjust.

Warren completely destroyed that point.

>I know if they would've slowed it down and played half court
>against an inexperienced Bruins team without their starting pg
>they would've faired better.

: - (

Idiot-

Arkansas was good specifically because they played fast
paced on defense and methodical and slow paced on offense.

The press was smart because it actually hid deficiencies
in half court defense. Corliss Williamson was a far better
offensive force than defensive force. He was great in the
press, very mediocre in half court.

Duke, for example, was much better half-court, man-to-man.
This is how they gave Arkansas so much trouble in the 94
Chip game.

How did Arkansas win? The press started wearing Duke down,
the way it did most teams. Nolan not only maximized talent,
he hid deficiencies. Dude could seriously fucking coach.

This is how he inherits a Panamanian team two weeks before
a Latin American tourney and coaches them to gold.

And aint you latino? Damn, you in here picking whites over
BOTH groups you supposed to rep

Disgusting


>Also if UCLA was such a great team, why when they returned
>everyone who won played in the title game except Ed and George
>did they lose to Princeton in the First Round the following
>year?

Because its UCLA.

And Ed was kinda like the best player in the country.

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>
>
>You said that Arkansas lost because Nolan didn't
>adjust.
>
>Warren completely destroyed that point.
>
>>I know if they would've slowed it down and played half court
>>against an inexperienced Bruins team without their starting
>pg
>>they would've faired better.
>
>: - (
>
>Idiot-
>
>Arkansas was good specifically because they played fast
>paced on defense and methodical and slow paced on offense.
>

No, they were good because they played fast all of the time and shot threes.

How can you be that dumb?

You said you just watched a documentary on it.

They run you into the ground and cause turnovers.

That method played right into UCLA's hands because they wanted to play fast.

So you're giving them what they want.

>The press was smart because it actually hid deficiencies
>in half court defense. Corliss Williamson was a far better
>offensive force than defensive force. He was great in the
>press, very mediocre in half court.
>
>Duke, for example, was much better half-court, man-to-man.
>This is how they gave Arkansas so much trouble in the 94
>Chip game.
>

You can't outrun them. They're young and dumb. That's why it's called an adjustment.


>How did Arkansas win? The press started wearing Duke down,
>the way it did most teams. Nolan not only maximized talent,
>he hid deficiencies. Dude could seriously fucking coach.
>
>This is how he inherits a Panamanian team two weeks before
>a Latin American tourney and coaches them to gold.
>
>And aint you latino? Damn, you in here picking whites over
>BOTH groups you supposed to rep
>
>Disgusting
>

Lol... who's picking whites?

If anything I'm helping blacks.

I'm stopping you from going around talking out your ass.

I don't want people to call you a dumb nigga.

I'm helping you.

And I'm not asking you to thank me.


>
>>Also if UCLA was such a great team, why when they returned
>>everyone who won played in the title game except Ed and
>George
>>did they lose to Princeton in the First Round the following
>>year?
>
>Because its UCLA.
>
>And Ed was kinda like the best player in the country.
>

But Princeton?

You're cooked

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this whole thread.

At all.

I'm playing to the level of my competition, like
Calipari every year he doesn't have the top 2 picks
in the draft on his team

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a lumbering 7 footer 10 feet away from the basket.

But keep woking with the hyperbole.

I think you're gonna get it.

Corliss was not going out to the perimeter,
and was not equipped to take Zidek outside.

You know that.

Just admit defeat here, its all good, me and
Basa are fighting now so you're off the hook

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He had options, but he didn't alter his gameplan.

You can't be the greatest coach ever if you don't make that adjustment.

You're grossly underestimating Corliss's game while professing your love for Nolan.

>He had options, but he didn't alter his gameplan.

He didn't have options. He was facing the 4 draft
picks, the player of the year, and a first round
pick at center.

And no -- Corliss Williamson did not have the game to
take Zidek out on the perimeter. Corliss was the best
post player in the country, with his back to the basket.
He didn't have those elements to his game, had not dominated
doing that at any point. That is what separated him from
Mashburn and Glenn Robinson. If he has that skillet he's
the #1 overall player in the draft and an NBA All-Star.

That's what happens when a high school kid dominates inferior
comp in high school. Today, Corliss transfers to Oak Hill and
and gets ball handling skills in the 11th grade.

>You can't be the greatest coach ever if you don't make that
>adjustment.

So when K lost to Calhoun

AND to Nolan Richardson

AND in the tourney every other year, there was NO
adjustment he could have made?

And when Pitino lost, its not because he could have
done nothing different?

LOL.

You are a Sambo.

UCLA was better than Arkansas.

Just like (you say) Michigan was better than
Kentucky.

>You're grossly underestimating Corliss's game while professing
>your love for Nolan.

LOL -- Corliss Williamson was the most dominant post
player in the country. He had no ball handling skills,
at all, and wasn't about to develop that during the game.

He was not Jamal Mashburn.

Just give it a rest.

Nolan accomplished things with nothing that no coach
ever did.

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There are always adjustments that can be made. ALWAYS.

>>He had options, but he didn't alter his gameplan.
>
>He didn't have options. He was facing the 4 draft
>picks, the player of the year, and a first round
>pick at center.
>

Lol...what 4 draft picks?

I'm counting Ed and George. And George probably slipped into the 1st round cuz of that run.


>And no -- Corliss Williamson did not have the game to
>take Zidek out on the perimeter. Corliss was the best
>post player in the country, with his back to the basket.
>He didn't have those elements to his game, had no dominated
>doing that at any point. That is what separated him from
>Mashburn and Glenn Robinson. If he has that skillet he's
>the #1 overall player in the draft and an NBA All-Star.
>

Not only do you not understand basketball, but you've probably never played it as well.

Stepping out to 10 feet doesn't require you become a point forward like Mash or a skilled small forward like Big Dog.

It's a basic move that Corliss could do over and over again, especially when he's being guarded by George Zidek.

You trying to make it something it's not has not served you well in this conversation and has only exposed your basic ignorance of basketball concepts.

You can continue to bring up the NBA, but this is not an NBA game. Its the NCAA Finals vs UCLA.

>That's what happens when a high school kid dominates inferior
>comp in high school. Today, Corliss transfers to Oak Hill and
>and gets ball handling skills in the 11th grade.
>

You're a fucking moron. You have to be. Corliss was one of the top players in the country. He dominated in HS. Right up there with Jason Kidd.

He didn't play inferior comp. He played everyone.

>>You can't be the greatest coach ever if you don't make that
>>adjustment.
>
>So when K lost to Calhoun
>
>AND to Nolan Richardson
>
>AND in the tourney every other year, there was NO
>adjustment he could have made?
>

Why are diverting from the topic? We're talking about UCLA vs Arkansas.


>And when Pitino lost, its not because he could have
>done nothing different?
>
>LOL.
>
>You are a Sambo.
>

No. You're a pathetic idiot.

You came at me with Kentucky lost to Michigan because Juwan was guarding Mashburn.

I quickly shot that down, because that was not the case.

And you had nothing to say about that, because you knew you were talking out of your ass.

There are many times you could've pointed out where Pitino dropped the ball. Unfortunately that wasn't one of them.

Michigan had a better team, and they probably should've won the National Championship.

>UCLA was better than Arkansas.
>
>Just like (you say) Michigan was better than
>Kentucky.
>

But that wasn't the case. Arkansas were the defending champs with their entire team back.

Frame it anyway you want. Those are facts.

>>You're grossly underestimating Corliss's game while
>professing
>>your love for Nolan.
>
>LOL -- Corliss Williamson was the most dominant post
>player in the country. He had no ball handling skills,
>at all, and wasn't about to develop that during the game.
>
>He was not Jamal Mashburn.

I threw this excuse in the dumpster at the beginning of this reply.

>Just give it a rest.
>
>Nolan accomplished things with nothing that no coach
>ever did.
>
>Ever.
>

He accomplished things no other coach tried to do.

Congrats.

Still not "arguably the best coach ever".

Go adjust your ankle bracelet and let some of the circulation get to your feet and walk away from the computer.

>You're a fucking moron. You have to be. Corliss was one of the
>top players in the country. He dominated in HS. Right up there
>with Jason Kidd.


Lots of players are rated high out of high school, idiot.

Remember these world beaters?

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Josh-McRoberts-14162

http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Tyler-Hansbrough-20026


You gonna tell me they were as good as Monta Ellis, Mario
Chalmers, and Darren Collison?


LMAO!!!


a) Corliss Williamson was super blue chip high school
recruit

b) Corliss Williamson was an outstanding college
player

c) Corliss Williamson had a VERY limited offensive
game


Him taking Zidek out to 10 feet wouldn't have done
a damn thing, and you know that.

UCLA was better than Arkansas.

Just like Michigan was better than Kentucky.

It happens.

White coaches lose too, you know. Don't see you talking
about adjustments.

Believe you me, though -- I'm Orbiting around allll your
college b-ball posts and pointing out racist double
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>>You're a fucking moron. You have to be. Corliss was one of
>the
>>top players in the country. He dominated in HS. Right up
>there
>>with Jason Kidd.
>
>
>Lots of players are rated high out of high school, idiot.
>
>Remember these world beaters?
>
>http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Josh-McRoberts-14162
>
>http://rivals.yahoo.com/footballrecruiting/basketball/recruiting/player-Tyler-Hansbrough-20026
>
>
>You gonna tell me they were as good as Monta Ellis, Mario
>Chalmers, and Darren Collison?
>

Why are you bringing up other recruits?

Point was Corliss was a top player in the country and beasted the other top players of his class. Then continued to beast the top players in the country when he get to college.

>
>LMAO!!!
>
>
>a) Corliss Williamson was super blue chip high school
>recruit
>
>b) Corliss Williamson was an outstanding college
>player
>
>c) Corliss Williamson had a VERY limited offensive
>game
>
>
>Him taking Zidek out to 10 feet wouldn't have done
>a damn thing, and you know that.
>

Yes it would have. It would have given him better scoring opportunities.

>UCLA was better than Arkansas.
>
>Just like Michigan was better than Kentucky.
>
>It happens.
>
>White coaches lose too, you know. Don't see you talking
>about adjustments.


We're talking about Nolan Richardson.

***scrolls up***

Are we talking about ALL COACHES WHO FUCKED UP GAMES?

Nope.

Still in the Nolan Richardson thread.

Not me

You

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatorade_Player_of_the_Year_awards

Dumbass nigga

bwahahahahahah


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Corliss was Gatorade Player of the Year though.

But you're right. Nolan found him at a Little Rock hardware store cutting up boxes and showed him a basketball for the first time.

Then the rest is history.

Giving him Mashburn handles and Magic Johnson
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you are going to lose...

George Zidek went for 14 points and 6 boards that night..

it was honestly easy for him....

maybe saying they would have won by 30 with Tyus was a bit much..

but they would have beaten them by 20 for sure....

http://www.hogstats.com/boxscore.php?date=1995-04-01

Miss me with George Zidek W.C.

George was bigger and stronger than Rasheed Wallace...

George was a natural center...

it really was a mismatch..and the fact that UCLA could put Ed O'B on Arkansas "center" because that center heaved up 3s....made the match up just awful for the Razorbacks..

at that time I'd take that 8 days a week...

That would have done it

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Cuz that'll make your argument sound even worse.

and interior offensive threat besides Corliss...to take Zidek off of him..and then Corliss would have been matched up against the National player of the year..

so no...lol.

>Wait....
>
>How'd you manage to get him to do that?
>
>He typically has nothing positive to say about the Bruins.
>Especially their last title.
>
>***sighs***
>
>I watched the Razorbacks. They were our biggest rival at the
>time.
>
>I know how good they were. And how dominant they were.
>
>I know how good Corliss was.
>
>I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Warren did not watch much
>Razorback basketball back then.
>
>For the same reason he dominated Rasheed Wallace one of the
>best post defenders in the NBA for years, he could've managed
>to beast George Zidek.
>
>I know if they would've slowed it down and played half court
>against an inexperienced Bruins team without their starting pg
>they would've faired better.
>
>Also if UCLA was such a great team, why when they returned
>everyone who won played in the title game except Ed and George
>did they lose to Princeton in the First Round the following
>year?
>
>
statements...ever...

off the top of my head here was AKs starting line up that year....Beck...Thurman....Scorliss....and that big headed tall kid that chunked up 3s....

there was no adjustment that Nolan could have made to win that game....none.

I remember when the broadcast started that evening...after almost passing out after they said Tyus was hurt.... right before tip off..I started going over the match ups again in my head.... realizing that Cam Dollar was probably the best perimiter defender in the country at that point.... I realized that the Bruins could put super pressure on the prerimiter and with Zidek guarding a much much smaller Corliss....he was not going to get anything down low..

you should remember....the Missouri game did something very important for UCLA...the bruins went down to Mizzou for 1 reason...not because they didn't play well...but because Mizzou went completely unconscious from 3 point range in the first half of that game...particularly Paul O'Linney....and their white shooting guard.... they were raining NBA length 3s on the Bruins. At half time...Jim Harrick made an adjustument..... He put Cam Dollar in the line up and put him on O'Linney. Cam was 6 foot even....O'linney was 6'6.... But Dollar was able to deny O'Linney the ball...and got in his grill for those 3s..which eventually stopped going in.... As much as Tyus incredible coast to coast won that game, Harrick's adjusment of putting Dollar on O'linny saved the Bruins season.

The other thing that did for UCLA...other than being a great wake up call..... it focused the Bruins on their perimiter defense for the rest of the tournament....NO team was going to beat us shooting 3s...

and when you look at Arkansas...their only other option other than going inside to Corliss would have been to open up the floor with 3s...but that was simply not going to happen.

Arkansas had no chance.

oh...almost forgot this part...before that game people were talking about how Corliss was going to eat up Ed O'Bannon. NOt realizing Ed wasn't even going to guard Corliss ever in that game. Zidek didn't need quickness to guard Corliss ..he just had to put a body on him..and that's some Big Z could do well....and offensively Zidek could easily shoot his 15 footer over Corliss if Corliss guarded him. Ed having to guard that 3 point shooting big man...still can't think of that dude's name..but that made the night easy for Ed...and he could get out on the open floor all night.

And note that Coolidge isn't even debating him
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Corliss could've dragged George away from the basket because had a decent first step.

Zidek actually had very good footwork...

and I believe one of the other times he tried to do that...Charles O'Bannon spiked the ball into the stands if I'm not mistaken...

He's thinking of the wrong guy

Because everyone who saw Corliss Williamson
knows he was a back to the basket wizard who
dominated with footwork and positioning.

He was not a multi-skilled college stretch 4
who could handle the ball

Like, everyone knows this.

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He was quick and could pop from 10 in college.

http://www.hogstats.com/boxscore.php?date=1995-04-03

he got plenty of shots off....he just didn't make many.

the problem with the game...as you can see from the box score...

Arkansas shot 28 3s in the game....they were 10-28 from 3 point range..

the Bruins at that point were simply not going to be beat by a team that heaved 3s....just wasn't going to happen after the Mizzou game.

and if a team shoots 28 3s ..and their ONLY inside offensive threat shot 3-16 from the field...that team is going to lose every time.

And they still were letting UCLA get out and run in transition.

Nolan made no adjustments at all.

Just let it play out.

95 UCLA is one of my fav teams to watch of all time, so I know. They were undisciplined. And Toby and Cameron ran around with their heads cut off.

The Razorbacks let them do that.

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for them...

their primary interior guy was 6'7 Corliss.... they had other big men who were strictly perimiter players...

Zidek on Corliss was a no brainer..and Corliss was simply not going to do anything against him.

If Tyus wasn't hurt the Bruins would have beat them guy by 30 points.

>for them...
>
>their primary interior guy was 6'7 Corliss.... they had other
>big men who were strictly perimiter players...

Corliss was closer to 6'5.

UCLA just had too much height.

>If Tyus wasn't hurt the Bruins would have beat them guy by 30
>points.

No Nolan Richardson team was going to get beat by no damn
30 points in a championship game. Like, no, nigga.

And this is the irony -- I contend that Arkansas actually
beats them if Tyus plays because without Tyus y'all had
to slow the game down and better exploit your height. UCLA
had awful coaching and pretty much just let Edney run around
most of the year.

Arkansas had been eviscerating quick PGs for half a decade.
If Edney is there, 40 Minutes of Hell makes you guys rush
and shoot dumb shots all game. UCLA had been underachieving
all year for that reason.




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>>for them...
>>
>>their primary interior guy was 6'7 Corliss.... they had
>other
>>big men who were strictly perimiter players...
>
>Corliss was closer to 6'5.
>
>UCLA just had too much height.
>
>>If Tyus wasn't hurt the Bruins would have beat them guy by
>30
>>points.
>
>No Nolan Richardson team was going to get beat by no damn
>30 points in a championship game. Like, no, nigga.

as any player around that time or since.... He completely dominated Ok State and MIssissppi State...beyond what he did agsint Mizzou





>
>And this is the irony -- I contend that Arkansas actually
>beats them if Tyus plays because without Tyus y'all had
>to slow the game down and better exploit your height. UCLA
>had awful coaching and pretty much just let Edney run around
>most of the year.

and you would be completely wrong. Your comments show that you probably didn't watch much if any UCLA basketball that year. They had the National player of the year that season.... they were 7 deep and had as good a defensive team as we've seen win the tournament..

as long as a 7 foot George Zidek was going to guard a 6'5 Corliss williamson who was slow and didn't have a game outside of 10 feet away from the basket...there was no way UCLA was going to lose.

the Bruins had better matchups at ever single position on the court that game...




>
>Arkansas had been eviscerating quick PGs for half a decade.
>If Edney is there, 40 Minutes of Hell makes you guys rush
>and shoot dumb shots all game

and none of those point guards were playing as well as Tyus Edney was during that tournament.....and none of those point guards had the National player of the year on their team..


Arkansas had no chance at all...

actually the game wasn't slowed down that much really....Cam Dollar pushed it...he just didn't shoot....giving dimes to Toby Bailey and Chuck O'Bannon for dunks...

Especially with this point-

>as long as a 7 foot George Zidek was going to guard a 6'5 Corliss williamson who was slow and didn't have a game outside of 10 feet away from the basket...there was no way UCLA was going to lose.

>the Bruins had better matchups at ever single position on the court that game...

When a team overachieves, they can only do so for so long

Arkansas really was not that good, not in the same galaxy
as talented as lots of teams they were beating

It caught up to them with UCLA....and good for UCLA.

Arkansas already had their 'chip, I wasn't mad at that.


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http://www.amazon.com/Forty-Minutes-Hell-Extraordinary-Richardson/dp/0061690473

If you want some good winter reading, give it a go

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Nice. Will check it out.

Therefore, Nolan Richardson was biting my HS coach's style. Cause nobody had ever pressed before my HS coach told us to. Lost a lot of respect for Nolan Richardson.

So its not just Orbit_Established

For that reason, you can chill with the racist underhanded
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Actually, he's not dead, so I have to assume he still is black.

So, given that he was, and is, black, why are you so mad?

It was white boys on the documentary calling out the
Pitino double standard.

So again: Its not just Orbit_Established

Nobody said Nolan invented the press, idiot

Its how its coached and designed, the way it
utilizes the specific talent

Be respectful and know your place

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In the late '80s. With a black coach.

And so all things basketball related should be credited
to Nolan Richardson.


LOL @ white people


Never knowing when to quit when their ahead


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And its a D only because I'm in a good mood.

You have until Friday to get me corrections
for a regrade.

Talk to Walleye or somebody actually funny and
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By Living Colour, who are black.

Now, given that we were a lily-white southern prep-school team playing in a conference full of NOTHING BUT lily-white southern prep-school teams, it's entirely possible that by warming up to that song we effectively created a racially hostile environment for the visitors, and then exploited their sense of unease with relentless full-court pressing, causing panic, terror, and turnovers.

Which is all well and good, except that in another light, what we'd done was use "Cult of Personality," and by extension Living Colour, as a weapon of psychological warfare, leaving us with the scenario of snotty, entitled white kids exploiting talented black men for their own personal gain.

Hmm.

Also, Nolan Richardson was a preeminent coach at a time when I actually followed college hoops religiously, and those Arkansas teams were amazing to watch. Relax, dude. The documentary is in my Netflix queue.

>Also, Nolan Richardson was a preeminent coach at a time when I
>actually followed college hoops religiously, and those
>Arkansas teams were amazing to watch. Relax, dude. The
>documentary is in my Netflix queue.

I don't understand you guys.

I get get called an asshole, but its y'all who come with
snark first.

Just come in an participate in the discussion.

Warren Coolidge came in being huffy about his UCLA Bruins,
but he had something intelligent to contribute, with no
snark and he's even taught me a few things that I didn't
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I'll let y'all duke it out. I just love any and all college hoops posts. Could read them all day.

Carry on.

>I read the book, which was among the best biographies
>ever (strongly recommend), but finally got around to
>watching the flick.
>
>Damn near got teary-eyed several times.
>
>There is an argument that he is the best coach of
>all-time, period.
>
>And as I remind y'all he won JUCO, NIT, NCAA AND
>FIBA medals (coached Panama to a gold medal in a
>Latin American tournament). No other coach has
>even won JUCO, NIT and NCAA tourneys. That is the
>track record of a guy who BUILDS winners. Was given
>NO CHANCES and did the MOST with them.
>
>That's right: he's won coaching in TWO LANGUAGES (English
>and Spanish...documentary didn't even cover this). He
>was born in a barrio along the Mexican border and grew up
>with Mexicans, speaking spanish (like seriously -- how
>fascinating is this guy's life?)
>
>And I VIVIDLY remember the 94 'chip game being billed as
>Duke's intelligence and teamwork vs. Arkansas' athleticism
>and talent. In HINDSIGHT that was 100% RACISM. Literally
>Duke had BETTER ATHLETES AT EVERY SINGLE POSITION and
>Arkansas didn't have a player with 1/10000th Grant Hill's
>athleticism or talent (Corliss was a muscular tweener and
>a career role player in the NBA).
>
>And RICK PITINO BIT NOLAN'S ENTIRE STYLE. Like the WHOLE
>FUCKING THING. I've LOST respect for Rick Pitino. You
>think its a coincidence he wins the 'chip RIGHT AFTER
>Nolan? Me neither. He copied the press to a T and won
>with faaaaarr better players coaching the MOST prestigious
>program in basketball.
>
>
>Didn't know that he was finally brought back in 2009
>to celebrate the 94 team and that Arkansas current coach
>is his assistant from those 90s teams. I have a new
>favorite team in college basketball.
>
>
>Woo Pig Sooie!!!
>

And the Arkansas' team's ire wasn't directed
at Duke at all; sure the whole "intelligence"
thing irked them, but they didn't hate Duke
personally

Weird thing about Nolan -- he was a volatile, angry
dude but he had his boys very respectful and never
took it out on other members of the coaching fraternity
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with a blue pitchfork if you didn't chime this part in?

Y'all niggaz are weird.

Its very relevant

And its actually an argument AGAINST something that
I've argued, that is, Steve Fisher did take the right
approach to coaching Michigan

Imagine Nolan coaching the Fab 5:

They still have fun and make money. They just don't
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when i said they were undisciplined and unfocused, you said that it was racist. now you gonna admit the TRUTH just to cyse nolan? c'mon, dogg. be better than that.

and if you think they woulda been showing they asses and teeth like they did under nolan, chaney or big john...you crazy

>when i said they were undisciplined and unfocused, you said
>that it was racist. now you gonna admit the TRUTH just to cyse
>nolan? c'mon, dogg. be better than that.
>
>and if you think they woulda been showing they asses and teeth
>like they did under nolan, chaney or big john...you crazy


Whoa -- I ain't say shit about Chaney or Big John. Stop
projecting, bro.

Nolan has nothing to do with them and is a better coach
by both by a country mile.

I'm saying that Nolan's Razorbacks' approach to Duke
was NOTICEABLY different than the Fisher's Fab 5. And
in some ways, the disparity in coverage was MORE unfair,
because the Fab Five actually *did* have comparable
talent to Duke, and so the "smarts vs. talent" dichotomy
thing had more credence.

The 94 game was Nolan coaching a bunch of bammas who
listened real well. And you had white people talking
about "Nolan's Running Rebels clones" (Rebs had THREE lottery
picks) were going to outrun and gun Duke. It was patently
false and despite that, NOLAN DIDN'T EVEN MENTION THIS
DIRECTLY BECAUSE he had RESPECT FOR K AND DUKE.

He kept his black rage focused on the MEDIA and white
power structure -- THAT'S who his boys was fired up to
fry. Not Duke. Not K. He was actually smart and had
principles. IN fact, if you listen to his rants in 94,
they weren't even about HIM personally, but about how
black coaches are perceived in GENERAL (this makes him
different than Big John..who I also like and have mad
respect for)

And there was NO trash talking from Nolan's team.

All focus. No lapses. Everybody knew how many timeouts
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In reflecting on it, I see how Nolan approached
the game and can see how Michigan might have benefited
from something similar. This don't mean the Fab Five
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1.) Nolan is better coach than both Big John & John Chaney by "a country mile"?

I dunno about that.

Especially if you want to talk basketball innovators, coache's still probably use Chaney's notes about the matchup zone (sorry Jimmy B.).


2.) The Duke team in 95 didn't have the same aura around it those other Duke teams. Like it was stated before it was Grant Hill and some dudes. And it should be the greatness of Grant Hill during that run and Coach K.

EVERYBODY was gone. Cal kinda slayed that dragon when they beat them the year before with Kidd and Lamond Murray.

The Fab 5's approach was directly different because they were total opposite of Duke.

>2.) The Duke team in 95 didn't have the same aura around it
>those other Duke teams. Like it was stated before it was Grant
>Hill and some dudes. And it should be the greatness of Grant
>Hill during that run and Coach K.


>The Fab 5's approach was directly different because they were
>total opposite of Duke.

Right, even stranger then that white people were making Arkansas-
Duke about "talent vs smarts." Those teams were MORE ALIKE than
they were different. They each had one dominant player. They
each shot the ball well. They both played outstanding defense.
They both were well-coached. White people didn't see it that way
because they insisted that Nolan's team was all talented hood
niggers who could jump (literally nobody on that Razordbacks
team could jump)

Duke wasn't even Duke, and white people were still making
it Duke vs. Michigan.

And despite that 'cism, Nolan didn't make it about Duke. And his
teams' demeanor and COMPOSURE supported that.

That was my point.


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The storyline I remember is the greatness of Grant. His swan song. And him and Coach K squeezing out one more.

And god forbid: read the book!

Remember what my original post was actually about!

You're such an sissy ass nigga, you won't do either,
and if you do, you're going to try to find a way
to discredit Nolan Richardson though, son don't bother.

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B.) I think I did see the doc. I'll rewatch.

C.) Seriously, why are you so angry?

Always has, always will

I don't get mad about John Wall's waistline

I get mad about the state of the people

Our future

Our vision

The social ills which impede our progress

I'm the electronic Malcom Luther Than King XI



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Your ridiculous sports crusades are laughable.

Who's the herb again?

Ouch.

: -(

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You spanning different subjects now?

Let it all out. Hurt feelings and all.

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So this is getting weird.

And I did start to watch the doc, but had to turn it off cuz the Wiz game was coming on. But did get a chance for them to do the segment on Nolan building his Super Team of Men with Gatorade Player of the Year Corliss Williamson, then Scotty Thurman who Dick Vitale added some superlatives on, then Corey Beck (more superlatives), and Clint McDaniel....and a little Alex Dillard sighting.

Weird.

Him being as good as Lebron James too

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being Lebron James?

Cuz this may be the best doc ever.

Well IT IS about the best coach of all time. So only fitting.

Oh and Tubby >>>>>>>>> Nolan.

>Oh and Tubby >>>>>>>>> Nolan.

Nolan is the one that turned Tulsa into a stepping stone
for elite jobs, paved the way for great coaches like
Tubby (another sign of a great coach...paving the way,
trailblazing)

Its precisely why Danny Manning left the
Kansas bench for Tulsa

Its ONE of the programs that Nolan Richardson
saved.

It was Richardson's success at Arkanasas (in
the same conference at Kentucky), that made
Kentucky, with one of the most racist legacies
in the country, comfortable hiring a black ex-
coach from Tulsa

If Nolan could win at racist Arkansas, then
Tubby could win at racist Kentucky

Nolan had to BUILD Arkansas, though

Tubby didn't.

Tubby still got his chip, and earned it.

Goddamn you just ADDED to the legacy

I had forgotten that point

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And that's not really a point really.

That's a stretch.

You know who did give Tubby life though.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?columnist=oneil_dana&id=4857234

And glad you admit that Nolan resurrecting Tulsa
and succeeding at Arkansas was good for Tubby

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Rick vouching for him.

And Tubby's success at Tulsa and Georgia.

That might've had more to do with it.

I don't know if Nolan is better than Rick though. Rick has led 3 diff schools to Final Fours. And took Kentucky to 3.

I wish Nolan would've stayed at Arkansas. His legacy would really couldn't be denied. He could've gotten one more.

They were a better rival for us than Florida is.

>I wish Nolan would've stayed at Arkansas. His legacy would
>really couldn't be denied. He could've gotten one more.
>
>They were a better rival for us than Florida is.

All you need to is admit UCLA was better and we're
fine.

Edit: You really should read the book, though. Its
a great biography of a very inspiring man. Better
than Pitino's 'Born to Coach' bullshit LOL

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I'm sure it is better than Rick's book. Nolan is a better person than Rick.

I can't admit UCLA being better. And I rooted for UCLA, cuz they were fun to watch. And wanted the Razorbacks to lose cuz they were our rival. But I respected the Razorbacks cuz I feared them.

The UCLA team was a poorly coached streetball team.

addresses.

I learned something

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Nolan Richardson fit Cory Beck through the eye of a needle and Grant Hill learned to dream and dreamed to learn.

it was a magical time.

Talk about magic, this whole post is Harry Potter-lite


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