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http://tinyurl.com/cfg2wp5

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That man was a shitty head coach. What was he good at as THAT MAN?
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Give him a job.

Harbaugh did nothing for this team.

Nothing.


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He did nothing as a head coach


Nothing


NFL teams fight hard



Your boy was awful


Some people are just coordinators.


Holla at Winston Moss
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Again, What about Winston Moss?
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What offense did Barry Switzer inherit mid-season
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This team was built on defense. The offense was OK. They played great for 4 straight games


What about Winston Moss?
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that is impressive to say the least. did lead the colts as a runner up to a super bowl. don't play him like he is George Seifert and went away like Casper or something?

I think we need to archive this post so we can reference
it as an example of why black people don't get jobs

And Cantball is FAAAR from a racist, btw...good guy.

But this is how the shit goes down.

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Can't Caldwell be that?


Not that Norv should be allowed to coach anything
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Caldwell is a Peyton Manning dumbass throw away
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mike mccarthy is living proof of that.

that said, no one points out that mike mccarthy is a mediocre head coach, and everyone shits on caldwell.

John Harbaugh isn't good at anything in particular.

We at least have prove that Jim is good.

And we now have proof that Caldwell is actually good

He saved the Ravens' season....if he was white, that would
be the narrative.

John has won a playoff game each of his first 5 years in the League. find me another coach to do that? or how about another coach who has won a playoff game in each of any 5 year stretch of his career?

are you just yes-man here or what?

I want specific personnel moves, schemes,
identity, etc.

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but dude has been winning

period

the 4 years before he got there they were 33-31

he's 54-26 in the 5 years since with a 9-4 playoff record

cmon

you're making it way harder than it needs to be

I have no problem with John Harbaugh

I am not entirely convinced that the
franchise isn't good because its core
has remained relatively in place over
the last decade

I have evidence for JIM's influence

I don't have the same for John's


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because from 2004-2007 the core was younger and healthier

so why did they lose 31 games in 4 years?

and id love for you to say you've watched the majority of the 144 ravens games over the last 9 years lol

fact is, John is a winner. arguing that makes you look foolish.

you're approaching Basa/Trevor Ariza territory by digging your heels in on it.

>because from 2004-2007 the core was younger and healthier

Actually, Ray Lewis played 6 games in 2005 and
missed games in 2006 and 2007.

See what happens when you watch the games?

Also -- you're an idiot because Ed Reed, Suggs, and
Ray Lewis are more experienced now than they were
in 2004, which is why experience and leadership matter.

Haloti Ngata is fat and out of the league if he doesn't
play with Ray Lewis. Almost nobody denies it -- he was
fat and worthless at Oregon.

>so why did they lose 31 games in 4 years?
>
>and id love for you to say you've watched the majority of the
>144 ravens games over the last 9 years lol

No, but I've watched games.

>fact is, John is a winner. arguing that makes you look
>foolish.

So was Barry Switzer with the Dallas Cowboys.

Reason nobody gives him credit is that no one can
name the schemes, the signature, the imprint.

Even the attitude. Nobody can name anything.

I don't have a problem with John Harbaugh.

I do know this -- his team was headed for an early
round exit before Caldwell started calling plays.


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John Harbaugh is a great coach, and sometimes being a leader of men is the most important asset you can have. He's clearly that.

That being said, credit to Jim Caldwell for what he was able to accomplish the 2nd half of the season. They just seemed to be more fluid in the later weeks of the season and especially in the playoffs. Masterfully prepared and executed postseason gameplans and Caldwell deserves as much of a nod as anyone.

I simply have more evidence that Jim is good.

I'm probably in-line with at least 3/4 of normal
people who say that Jim earned his status more
than John did. That's not much of a debate.

But that's not why you guys keep focusing on John
Harbaugh:

You guys are focusing on the John critique because
you're white and uncomfortable engaging the Jim Caldwell
point.

I understand that, but it needs to be called out.

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>You guys are focusing on the John critique because
>you're white and uncomfortable engaging the Jim Caldwell
>point.

who gets way too much media attention.

and his bro is better.

>
>Caldwell is a Peyton Manning dumbass throw away
>from a ring

John Harbaugh just WON a ring, and you're giving him 0 credit

foh

you're crediting the Head Coach for Indy 2010 and the OC for Baltimore 2013

can't get mad if somebody else is crediting the OC for Indy 2010 and the Head Coach for Baltimore 2013. Especially since that Indy OC won a ring without Caldwell, and that Baltimore HC went to 2 AFC title games without Caldwell.

you can't be selective with credit and get mad when somebody else does it the other way

>John Harbaugh just WON a ring, and you're giving him 0 credit

Oh, sure he might deserve credit. He did fire Cam Cameron,
after all.


But here's the facts:

John Harbaugh's team was limping into the playoffs, basically
relying on the fact that Steelers whole team was in the
hospital. They weren't intimidating anyone, were a guaranteed
early exit.

Caldwell comes in, and Flacco instantly becomes Joe Montana
and the OFFENSE starts winning some games, due to better scheme,
better communication between coordinator and QB, better actual
playcalling, more balance.

Those are FACTS. That is not DEBATABLE.

The Ravens got better the *instant* Caldwell arrived

I'm not simply associating Caldwell with the victory
because he's black and I need black people to be responsible
for the sake of my self esteem. I'm kinda high on self-esteem, sparky.

I'm talking football here, more than I am race.

And I already contrasted John Harbaugh to Jim Harbaugh: I have
actual evidence that Jim is good. I do not have evidence that
John is good. He barely deserved that job to begin with, and
few can deny that the Ravens have been good largely because the
core from the last decade (3 DPOYS on the same unit; 2 guys who
are among the 3 best to ever play their position; ) is intact.
People whiter than you have admitted as much about John Harbaugh
and the Ravens.


>you're crediting the Head Coach for Indy 2010 and the OC for
>Baltimore 2013

Actually, you're lying-

Peyton Manning deserves tons of credit for Indy 2010. I know
that he called the plays. In hindsight, he probably should have
let Caldwell call the plays, because Caldwell obviously knows
that the fuck he's doing.

>you can't be selective with credit and get mad when somebody
>else does it the other way

No, you're an idiot, because you're treating this as a simple
race-baiting case, when I'm actually trying to have a football
discussion-

Caldwell's influence on the Ravens is undeniable.

JIM Harbaugh's influence on the Stanford Cardinal and
San Francisco 49ers is undeniable.

Jim Caldwell was given NO credit for the 2010 Colts and
ALL the blame for the 2011 Colts. And so far, the white
media is UNDERplaying his influence on the 2013 Ravens,
even though its CLEAR that he had a positive influence.




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>The Ravens got better the *instant* Caldwell arrived

you're smothering your good point in hyperbole here. let it breathe...

>And I already contrasted John Harbaugh to Jim Harbaugh: I
>have
>actual evidence that Jim is good. I do not have evidence that
>John is good. He barely deserved that job to begin with, and
>few can deny that the Ravens have been good largely because
>the
>core from the last decade (3 DPOYS on the same unit; 2 guys
>who
>are among the 3 best to ever play their position; ) is intact.

what evidence? Jim had 2 Heisman Finalists on his 8 win stanford team and his 2010 stanford team beat 1 good team.

>Peyton Manning deserves tons of credit for Indy 2010. I know
>that he called the plays. In hindsight, he probably should
>have
>let Caldwell call the plays, because Caldwell obviously knows
>that the fuck he's doing.

its better for Caldwell. Manning threw his OL under the bus in 05-06 with the "missed protections" press conference. uh...you called them fuckface.

>No, you're an idiot, because you're treating this as a simple
>race-baiting case, when I'm actually trying to have a
>football
>discussion-

ur kinda throwing shade at John Harbaugh tho, which undermines your case given that he's won a playoff game every year hes been a HC

>Caldwell's influence on the Ravens is undeniable.

but John's isnt?

>And so far, the white
>media is UNDERplaying his influence on the 2013 Ravens,
>even though its CLEAR that he had a positive influence.

this isnt really true tho, ive heard media types talkin bout it.

>And I already contrasted John Harbaugh to Jim Harbaugh: I
>have
>actual evidence that Jim is good. I do not have evidence that
>John is good. He barely deserved that job to begin with, and
>few can deny that the Ravens have been good largely because
>the
>core from the last decade (3 DPOYS on the same unit; 2 guys
>who
>are among the 3 best to ever play their position; ) is intact.
>
>People whiter than you have admitted as much about John
>Harbaugh
>and the Ravens.

the ravens hadn't won a playoff game in 6 seasons, and had made the playoffs only 1 of the previous 4 seasons

then harbaugh came in and won at least 1 playoff game in 4 straight seasons pre-caldwell. last year they were a dropped pass from the super bowl

meanwhile, the colts were a juggernaut who won a title pre-caldwell


>And so far, the white
>media is UNDERplaying his influence on the 2013 Ravens,
>even though its CLEAR that he had a positive influence.

i agree with this though. he should have gotten a bunch of rob ryan-like sideline shots (*edit* booth shots? it's sad that i don't even know if he was on the sideline or in the booth, since they never showed him)

the way people look at things in a zoo

>i agree with this though. he should have gotten a bunch of rob
>ryan-like sideline shots (*edit* booth shots? it's sad that i
>don't even know if he was on the sideline or in the booth,
>since they never showed him)

my grandpa's car insurance agent is not

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provided one is following the rules of society

"How" is never overrated, actually

Because coaching is about creating cohesion, implementing
the right schemes, making the right moves to put your team
in the best position to win.

What did John Harbaugh do? Name it. I'm listening.

What were the schemes? What were the moves?

I know that Jim Caldwell revamped the offense, added
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>Because coaching is about creating cohesion, implementing
>the right schemes, making the right moves to put your team
>in the best position to win.

so given 54 wins in 5 years, are you disputing that hes done those things? lol

>What did John Harbaugh do? Name it. I'm listening.
>What were the schemes? What were the moves?

well he successfully guided the team from Ryan's 46 to Greg Mattison's 4-3 under to Dean Pees 3-4. does that meet your qualifications?

>I know that Jim Caldwell revamped the offense, added
>balance and took far calculated risks.

no actually you dont know that. Ray Rice had 16.76 carries per game under Cameron and 16.06 under Caldwell. Flacco avg'd 34.38 attempts per game under Cam, and 33.66 under caldwell.

they found a lot of success because Caldwell trusted Flacco's arm to be able to let the post-wheel develop, and Baltimores receivers are stout guys. he isnt Rich Rodriguez or Steve Spurrier tho. he didnt invent anything.

but keep loading up the questions to make people scared to answer

>they found a lot of success because Caldwell trusted Flacco's
>arm to be able to let the post-wheel develop, and Baltimores
>receivers are stout guys. he isnt Rich Rodriguez or Steve
>Spurrier tho. he didnt invent anything.

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i named 2 guys who devised offenses unique enough for them to be named.

caldwell has done much less as an offensive mind, and if he is *the* reason BAL is the champ, then John Harbaugh's brilliant staffing decisions are the real reason.

of course i dont believe either of those things, but to give more credit to the OC than their (wildly successful over a period of 5 years) HC is ridiculous

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOcZhoZoWOE

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I mean, goddamn.


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lol

You retreated to using Steve Spurrier

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Steve Spurrier is one of the most important offensive innovators in football history.

Jim Caldwell is not.

you know you done fucked up, right?

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