I make this poll, because I am warming up to the concept. This is not a knee jerk reaction to the ass rape by 'Rie.

I think at the end of the day, Rajon Rondo straddles the fence between being a franchise player and being the best complimentary player in the league. Either way, we are going to have to find a pair of 18-20+ point scorers to come to Boston to maximize Rondo's abilities. If we seem to not be able to do so...

I also understand that the league has a hard time gauging what exactly is fair value for a Rajon Rondo. With that being said, I do think Danny is shopping him, and the possibility of him being somewhere else this season or next is very real. This isn't based on any report or anything...I just have a feeling.

Poll question: Celtic fans: How angry will you be if Danny moves Rondo?

Poll result (10 votes) Mad as fuck, he's untouchable (5 votes) Vote I rather that not happen, but eh (1 votes) Vote It depends on the return (3 votes) Vote He can't carry a team all the way, trade him (0 votes) Vote Let's rob Orlando. RR straight up for JJ Reddick (I'm white) (1 votes) Vote

But I would be less mad than I would have in the past.

They need to get a major score for him though.

Gasol, Gay, etc would not make me happy.

Something just OFF with this squad, not sure what it is.


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defense to get away with being a jump shooting team. That's my short take on it.

its hard to gauge a fair Rondo trade cus of his uniqueness but I was down for a Russy/Rondo swap that was being floated around earlier last season..

We get a legitimate scorer, not necesarily a PG that would feed KG & Pierce (them niggas old anyway), and Durant gets a bonafied PG that would GLADLY feed him the ball. Rondo would flourish in that offense.

That's why he's not trying to trade him.

Best bet is to wait til KG & Truth comes off the books. You can't trade them, because you'll take on a big contract for a player who's not worth it.

What you're gonna trade Rondo & Jeff Green for Gay? Good luck with that.

Rondo & Green for Al Jeff? Good luck with that.

become available for whatever reason

why can't Sully and Jeff Green be those guys

PP and KG are the problem

they're too old

why move the one piece you CAN build around for the future?

and like you said what are you getting back?

an all-star PG

doubt it

Gasol?

KG >>>

I can't think of a scenario where that makes sense

unless BOS decides to go in to complete rebuild mode

>why can't Sully and Jeff Green be those guys
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i dunno what happened to green. coulda been a contender.
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he looked ready and never stepped up.

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>why can't Sully and Jeff Green be those guys

Not sure if they can be. I doubt it.


>PP and KG are the problem
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>they're too old

They're too old to have such a dominant role, I agree


>why move the one piece you CAN build around for the future?

To go in a different direction


>and like you said what are you getting back?
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>an all-star PG
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>doubt it
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>Gasol?
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>KG >>>

This is my problem with it.


>I can't think of a scenario where that makes sense
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>unless BOS decides to go in to complete rebuild mode

His bitch ass wanted to be THE guy...now he is. He ain't leading the team to where it's supposed to be. He ran Ray Allen out of town over some bullshit, and now he needs MORE help?!

This is his dilemma, let him clean it up. Let him carry the squad by any means necessary to the playoffs and beyond. And if he can't, he's a fraud of a franchise player. He isn't a complimentary player according to some cats...cats actually said he was BETTER than CP3...let him prove it

FUCK RONDO...aka the Notorious SPT (Stat Padding Turd)...bitch ass

>FUCK RONDO...aka the Notorious SPT (Stat Padding Turd)...bitch
>ass

Even better than CP3
I never thought that, but cats were swearing by him

I mean, the fact that the past couple seasons since Rondo has been the guy they've been horrible offensively. (27th and 29th! That's worse then the BOBCATS) At least SOME of that Blame is on Rondo.

or Deron

Just sayin.

let Rondo run the break, don't over-commit to the slowness which is KG and Paul Pierce.

them dudes are fucking dingleberries on the asshole of mediocrity.

He is one of the most dominant players in the
league

Any trade not involving a top-10 player is going to be a
huge loss for the Celtics

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or maybe that's just Bill Simmons talking for Celtics nation, I dunno, but if they're selling Rondo I'm saying buy buy buy in virtually every front office in the league.

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>He is one of the most dominant players in the
>league
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Cuz even if that's the case you caught Rondo last year too.

unless you make a list in that category a lot longer than I would or you're a UK homer like yourself who actually believes he's better than Chris Paul.

then cats are looking at their sneakers whistling. Cool.

Throw a party.

And got within a game of his 3rd Finals.

But yeah dude, "Throw a party."

(in particular the one they actually won).

so yeah, throw a party.

We all know the Heat were short-handed in last season's series which is the only reason it was even that close (they mopped them in five the year before).

As I stated here many times since the mid-2000s at UK, I like Rondo.

Thought he was a steal where they drafted him.

And I ain't saying the C's should move him unless they got equal value which would be extremely hard to do but he is simply not one of the league's 'most dominating' players.

If he's your best player, you ain't winning anything but maybe a series over a mediocre east team like the Sixers or Hawks.

I understand why you feel the need to pretend otherwise but I'm not invested like that.

You keep talking about a lot of what ifs. I'm talking about what REALLY happened.

And somehow these numbers show more than just being along for the ride. And if you wanna be what if man...if they win Game 7 vs the Lakers he's probably the MVP.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01/gamelog/2008/

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rondora01/gamelog/2010/


It's okay to hate Rondo. Just say that shit up front.

a series that a good team shouldn't have even went seven games with to begin with.

Not one of the most dominant, not a guy you win anything meaningful with as your best player.

That's it really.

You can continue protesting from here but nothing you say is gonna change my mind on either point aside from him actually doing that, which as I'm on record with....he won't. peace.

so I'd imagine you'll want the last word.

ago?

Gotcha.

sometimes rondo dominates games, other times he over facilitates (stat padding turd?)

if he's the star and top player people make him out to be, then he needs to have his imprint on all games win or lose. KG and pierce are old and ain't bringing it every night.

I really like rondo and he stay torching the knicks. If i'm boston, I wouldn't want to move him unless you getting a legit star in return and even still....isn't rondo making like 11per?

his salary/production ratio is amazing in the NBA today. He is better than half the cats that are/will be getting max deals.

With that said, the only acceptable trades to me are ones that opposing gms probably wouldn't make.

Unless we unload Uncle Paulie, we may as well just take these lumps and make good in the draft. Wait for them Paul and KG dollars in the next couple years and go that route.

Paul is the only player that we could probably get better through trading. Sad to say.

...production is easy to duplicate. Not even close. He's a guy who can score and make plays for teammates, and do it when the game is on the line. Statistically, he's *still* at an elite class for his position.

Rondo, on the other hand, brings a lot to the table, but he also takes something away with his shooting (or lack thereof).

With all of the great point guards in the league these days, I think there is a lot of potential upside to hitting the reset button at PG for the Celtics.

I mean, we could get pieces that would better fit a scheme needed to build around a Rajon Rondo...if we are going to build around Rajon Rondo.

Hitting the reset button at PG, as you put it, would most likely leave us seriously shitty in the next couple years when KG and Paul both retire.

...is not going to be an easy thing to do.

Someone used the term 'complementary player' earlier in the thread. I think Rondo is among the best of that caliber in the league--possibly THE best.

I don't think you can build around him, though.

It would take for us to find a pair of legit scoring threats. Legit as in 18-20 per game. Not some 16 today, 4 tomorrow ass niggas like Jeff Green.

Y'all are some bandwagon-hopping ass analysts.

Rondo is a very good player--not a franchise guy. For all of the "Best player on the C's" talk over the past few years, I'd like to see a bit more credit given to KG and Pierce--two of the best players of their generation, which is a standard that Rondo has yet to live up to so far in his career, despite the ESPN ratings-whoring.

Very good player. Overhyped by nat'l media. Does not belong in conversations about the best players in the league.

I'm not really trying to digress into that debate

I gives a fuck about a list

the issue is trading Rondo

gets you what in return

and then you still have an AARP lineup

I would think it would be more beneficial

to keep a guy like Rondo

who I'm sure other players would be more than happy to play alongside a pass first PG

perennial league leader in assists

the issue should be how best to cut ties with KG and PP

do you just let them play out their contracts

or move on from them now

but moving Rondo only compounds the problem

IMO

assuming nobody is trading for KG and PP

what can the Cs get back

by trading Rondo

that makes them a better team?

it's easy to say trade Rondo

because he's the one player on that roster with the most value

but I don't see a scenario that improves the Cs

and if it's suggested to get youth in return or draft picks, etc...

that sounds like rebuilding to me

in which case Rondo is the piece you would want to build around anyway

so...

"I also understand that the league has a hard time gauging what exactly is fair value for a Rajon Rondo."

^^^I said this in the og post. There is a 99% chance that we wouldnt get lateral value or get better today by trading Rondo, but to my question..

If you are a GM, and you can not effectively build around your best player, what do you do?

starting to sound like you're suggesting they trade Rondo

just because it's something to do

that'll get you fired

it's also sounding like Rondo is taking the blame for this roster's inability to get Ws

not sure that's the case either

No, all i'm saying is if you can't build around your best guy then you

1. go and get a new best guy

2. stink it up for a year or two and see what the draft or free agency brings you.

Real shit...we should have held onto Marshon Brooks when we drafted him.

As far as possible scenarios go..this is the thing about trading Rondo anyway...what he's worth is so highly debated that as a virtual GM I most likely would not accept any offers I get and nobody would accept any of my offers. For me, a fair deal for Rondo looks something like this (in terms of just players...I'm not number crunching at the moment)

Kevin Love and Chase Budinger
Monte Ellis and Ilyasova/Larry Sanders and 1st rounder
Paul George and George Hill and 1st rounder
Greg Monroe and Singler and 1st rounder
Ty Lawson and gallo ...just off the top, these are the types of deals that I would entertain

I guess this is the issue then

when exactly did the Cs try to rebuild around Rondo?

the issue, again, is PP and KG

who both are damn near giving you career lows across the board

KG has 3 and PP and has 2 years left

those contracts are dogshit right now

that's the issue

how is the solution to trade your most valuable player

and keep these dogshit contracts

bring in any of those players you propose

and they'll still be dragging PP and KG's corpses up and down the court every night

except now

you won't have a top 5 PG anymore

= doesn't make sense

amnesty

trade deadline for picks

the Cs have to get out from under PP's and KG's contracts

and actually try to build around Rondo before saying it doesn't work

I got caught up going away from my original point which wasn't I think we should trade rondo, but I think Danny may trade Rondo

I'll be partying like shit

as per the discussion

I can't figure a scenario where it makes sense

daps for the exchange of replies though

>I'll be partying like shit
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>as per the discussion
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>I can't figure a scenario where it makes sense
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>daps for the exchange of replies though

there are probably 40 guys in the NBA who average 18 points per 36 minutes. finding a top 20 player like rondo is much tougher than finding someone to chuck up shots. ben gordon? jamal crawford? nate robinson? jj barea? monta? shit, have sully or bass shoot more.

plus he's making like $11M and is underpaid for the next two seasons, which should be his prime. trading your best young player is rarely the key to improvement.

the point about finding capable scorers stands though. you don't trade rondo because the challenge of finding a couple guys willing to take shots is too daunting. anyway, you don't trade rondo unless you get a top 20 player back, period.

>the point about finding capable scorers stands though. you
>don't trade rondo because the challenge of finding a couple
>guys willing to take shots is too daunting. anyway, you don't
>trade rondo unless you get a top 20 player back, period.

I agree, but with that being said, the task of finding capable scorers is directly in line with whether or not a Rondo led team will be successful. If we keep this team into next season, and Paul Pierce declines on aging mode...we are instantly a lottery team unless Jeff Green reaches his estimated potential.

I mean lets keep the conversation basic...if you are a GM and you are unable to effectively build around your best player, what do you do?

you don't trade a top 20 player unless you get one back. worrying about paul pierce (who has one year left after this one) and jeff green (who will never be good) isn't part of that equation. any GM that can't effectively build around their best player shouldn't be a GM. that's the job.

Also, I never said trade him for less than a top 20 player. I dont know where that even came up

>you don't trade a top 20 player unless you get one back.

are we pretending that trade took place in a vacuum where carmelo wasn't OBVIOUSLY going to sign with the knicks in the offseason? not comparable to this situation in any way whatsoever.

besides the fact that gallo is a cheaper-man's melo in terms of productivity (less points, but rebs, assists, blocks, steals, TS% are virtually identical) that deal directly led to the knicks squandering their amnesty clause on billups, which locked in amare for the duration.

and what their plan is for the next few years. it definitely can't be their only move.

I wouldn't do any trades. They just have to ride this out and then let KG and Pierce retire. Then build.

...this post wouldn't exist.

But that's the frustrating thing with him; that he's capable of averaging close to 20 per and just doesn't feel like it.

rondo's better than parker. i'd give away parker and a piece but obviously not splitter or leonard along with him. the spurs would never do this and they certainly wouldn't offer something worth boston's attention.

even though it's close...i honestly believe westbrook is better. you can't trade russy for him unless get another piece back.

the kings might be my new hometown team and they certainly have pieces. if there was ANY way to get rondo and cousins together....they should do that in a heartbeat...reke...robinson...thomspon...whoever. if they had to give up cousins to get rondo...might be worth going for it.

>rondo's better than parker. i'd give away parker and a piece
>but obviously not splitter or leonard along with him. the
>spurs would never do this and they certainly wouldn't offer
>something worth boston's attention.
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>even though it's close...i honestly believe westbrook is
>better. you can't trade russy for him unless get another piece
>back.
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>the kings might be my new hometown team and they certainly
>have pieces. if there was ANY way to get rondo and cousins
>together....they should do that in a
>heartbeat...reke...robinson...thomspon...whoever. if they had
>to give up cousins to get rondo...might be worth going for it.

I'd be open to this shit if there were some way to get cousins AND Reke lol

cousins/reke is already an awful combination of personalities there.

cousins would be great, but that's the only piece of that team that's interesting, and that's not enough.

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once Reke gets his ass out of Sac town and goes somewhere stable, he will be an all star level guy. OJ Mayo status.

sounds about right

what's the difference between Robinson and Sully? Answer: Sully's already better.

Thompson? GTFOH.

Reke? might become OJ Mayo? As if OJ Mayo is good enough to equate to Rondo? GTFOH

pick in this draft? this draft is uninspiring. fuck and no.

like i said, the only part of that kings group i'd want is Cousins to pair with Sullinger as the front court of the future. problem is, that front court only makes me confident in the celtics future with rondo at PG, not 'reke's gunning dumbass.

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outside of just picking the best 2 players on any given roster

as God Lounge has been doing up to this point

this is the type of trade I would expect for Rondo

there isn't a trade that would help the Cs that involves moving rondo. he's too cap friendly and the two weaknesses on the team are either hard to fill (a low post offensive player--hence why I'd demand Cousins), involve replacing a legend (Pierce) that I wouldn't want and there's no real PG aside from Rondo (Bradley? not really) on the squad, so any trade that would fix a flaw elsewhere on the squad would lead to a huge gaping hole at PG.

rondo's not the one who should get traded. the Cs are kinda stuck. Only real trade bait is Sully, Bradley, and the bag of dildos that $9 mil per Jeff Green could get. that's not going to get a low post presence, I'm not willing to trade Pierce because he's a symbol of the franchise, and it'd be wrong to do that to KG too (plus he wouldn't get much back).


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>there isn't a trade that would help the Cs that involves
>moving rondo. he's too cap friendly and the two weaknesses on
>the team are either hard to fill (a low post offensive
>player--hence why I'd demand Cousins), involve replacing a
>legend (Pierce) that I wouldn't want and there's no real PG
>aside from Rondo (Bradley? not really) on the squad, so any
>trade that would fix a flaw elsewhere on the squad would lead
>to a huge gaping hole at PG.
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>rondo's not the one who should get traded. the Cs are kinda
>stuck. Only real trade bait is Sully, Bradley, and the bag of
>dildos that $9 mil per Jeff Green could get. that's not going
>to get a low post presence, I'm not willing to trade Pierce
>because he's a symbol of the franchise, and it'd be wrong to
>do that to KG too (plus he wouldn't get much back).
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everything you just said I've actually already posted 46-67

this is how it goes when the trade deadline comes up

no need to be offended

and if it did, danny would deserve to be fired immediately. *shrug* someone needed to say it. don't catch feelings cause i pointed out the spitballin was nowhere near realistic.


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either way it's Danny's ass

you're voting to stay put, got it

as is, they're an 8 seed in the East

easy enough to say they're underachieving

any GM wants to put together the best roster they can

which is what Danny and the Cs thought they had going into the season

the OP is intimating that Danny will make a move

because he's on the line either way

if they keep the dogshit PP and KG contracts

and barely make the offs as an 8 seed and are a first round exit

or miss the offs entirely

Danny takes some blame in that

if he makes a move at the trade deadline in an attempt to improve the team

it at least appears like he's trying to improve an underachieving roster

being that PP and KG are probably unmoveable

Rondo is the one guy on that roster that has the most value

so it makes sense from the GM's role to at least entertain the idea

and that's all we're doing

but anytime you want to propose another scenario

other than going down with the ship

feel free

there's no move that wouldn't piss everyone off. you can't trade PP, KG, or Rondo. any other move limits the few bright spots for the future (Bradley + Rondo is a great defensive pair at the guard spots and Bradley's shot looks much improved. Sullinger's a quality post presence).

Ainge swung on Terry and Green and missed with both. there's not much of anything that can be done, unless you can absolutely humiliate another team's GM with a lopsided trade.

feel free to keep replyingand coming up with bad hypotheticals, but they're worthless and the OP was warming up to the idea and it's a dumb, dumb idea. any potential trade someone can come up with that's remotely reasonable I'm pretty comfortable in saying is a bad idea for the Cs.

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Warming up to the idea in the context of if it were to happen.

That's what I do. Im a Cs fan regardless of who is on the roster. So if Danny were to move Rondo, i'd be disappointed, but fuck it. Im riding

and there's no indication its happening and there's no way it'd be a good move. so no, i'm not "warming up to it."


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I do think we should just take our lumps and so what we can do in the draft until PP and KG come off the books and then see who is available at that point. But hey, if thats how shit went..Danny wouldnt be the unpredictable mad man that we know him as today.

And as I stated earlier...trading Marshon Brooks for Jujuan Johnson was weak. Marshon Brooks on this roster would have kept us from doing half of the what is turning out to look like dumb shit he did this past off season

I think if we wait it out, we will have the cap for him when he becomes a free agent.

together on the same team. That'd be the Assholery Square of Death.

If folks thought they acted a fool when Perk was there, they'd be stupid. And Cuz would fall right in line.

Most hated team in NBA history right there