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2116296, Last Time Brady Had A Pantheon Game In A Big Spot, T.O. Was An Eagle
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 03:01 AM
And that's being generous, because we know there were some factors bigger than Brady in that one.
In fact, my mental rolodex for iconic Brady plays probably starts with a damn tuck in the snow but that's another post.
Be honest & objective with yourselves, it's been a long-ass time since dude really came through & nah, puttin up six TD's on Tebow's team last year don't count.
Outplayed by Joe Flacco in all three of their career playoff matchups.
Outplayed by Mark Sanchez in theirs.
Jake Plummer beat his ass somewhere in there too.
No rings since it really became 'his team'.
Y'all wanna talk about Peyton, talk about it.
But keep it there.
Because I don't ever wanna hear you bitches mention Joe Montana's name in regards to Tom Brady any more than I wanna hear Kobe Bryant fanboys try to front on Magic Johnson.
No......you revisionist, Lyin-Hawaian-speakin-on-what-you-never-saw-dumb-motherfuckas.
GO TO THE GAME TAPE!(c)Tracy Morgan
Magic would never miss the playoffs with three Hall of Famers alongside him.
Joe Montana would never need a Top 3 Defense to squeak out a chance for a 50-yard-field-goal kick to get his chips.
Slap yourselves out that fuckin dream.
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2116298, Can't really disagree with any of that
Posted by LA2Philly, Mon Jan-21-13 03:20 AM
Man, this shit only serves to make madder about what could have been. Our one chance and we weren't even on a level playing field. I don't even want to think about it anymore.
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2116309, you covered a lot of ground there
Posted by bshelly, Mon Jan-21-13 06:54 AM
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2116316, And the media's not going to TALK ABOUT but that "slide-kick" on Ed Reed...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jan-21-13 07:59 AM
was horseshit and that fucker should be fine.
Between that and Belicheat blowing off the media shows what classless organization that is.
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2116344, yeah, he was channeling Ty Cobb on that bullshit n/m
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 09:41 AM
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2116321, plus Belicheck keeps being outcoached in these games, and his D
Posted by rjc27, Mon Jan-21-13 08:58 AM
is shit... When will his pass end? Every year the Pats get a A+ draft grade by all the so-called "experts" and every year their defense still SUCKS... If you take away Brady throwing it around the field what has Belicheck done as a coach that has been so amazing?
What is annoying though is thanks to the Jets going into rebuild mode, LB's Phins being the biggest joke in the league for a decade running, and the Bills, the Pats will still go 12-4 next year
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2116328, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1eQIusHStU
Posted by El_essence, Mon Jan-21-13 09:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1eQIusHStU
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2116329, he has 3...i believe he'll get another...then what?
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Jan-21-13 09:22 AM
this is scavenger posting at its best.
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2116331, if he gets another OKS will just claim they're cheating again
Posted by pretentious username, Mon Jan-21-13 09:25 AM
so don't bother arguing with these clowns, they've set this agenda up to where they can't lose.
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2116336, I think people will give him credit if he gets another
Posted by rjc27, Mon Jan-21-13 09:26 AM
but the reality is he's been a pedestrian qb in the postseason since his last chip, that's indisputable...
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2116524, No. He was hailed as the GOAT right before 42 nm.
Posted by RaFromQueens, Mon Jan-21-13 02:24 PM
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2116556, have you been on OKS since then?
Posted by pretentious username, Mon Jan-21-13 02:56 PM
cause the "spygate is over and that's why they can't win another" and the "they're still cheating" group is basically the same people. makes no sense.
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2116334, RE: he has 3...i believe he'll get another...then what?
Posted by Ish, Mon Jan-21-13 09:26 AM
And has been to 5 Superbowls....lol, I mean come on.
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2116340, so projecting Peyton for 2 was wrong but 4 for Brady isn't?
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 09:37 AM
either way he still ain't seeing Joe, if Peyton gets 2 he still better and nothing in your reply changes any of the facts in the OG post.
Brady choked way worse than Peyton versus this Raven team yesterday and Brady ain't won shit nor done shit in a big game since he became a Top 5 QB statistically.
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2116345, peyton would have to play 10 more years...that's PROJECTING.
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Jan-21-13 09:46 AM
brady gets to superbowls and AFC title games OFTEN...so, you can project, without being ABSURD, #4.
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2116356, absurd is pretending Brady's won shit since he started puttin up numbers
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 10:00 AM
Why would I project a guy who since that point has been outplayed in the playoffs by Flacco three times, Eli twice, Jake Plummer & Mark Sanchez since that point (with no great postseason performances of importance since) is just suddenly gonna win another Super Bowl when he hasn't won one since two years before Peyton last did?
That same guy whose team won 11 games without him compared to Peyton's 2?
Denver was better this year, made a far better showing against the same team and they'll prolly be better again next year.
9.5 point favorite turned L. At home. No points & two picks in the money half.
Choke job that no one will talk about per usual.
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2116361, no one gonna talk about it because he not a choker. peyton is.
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Jan-21-13 10:08 AM
i mean, peyton got a losing postseason record. brady don't. it's that simple.
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2116366, uh-huh
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 10:14 AM
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2116377, exactly...because once we reach the BOTTOM-LINE, it's an L
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Jan-21-13 10:33 AM
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2116551, not really n/m
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 02:52 PM
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2116558, not really? well, how close is it to being reality? another SB win?
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Jan-21-13 02:58 PM
if tom get another SB, we talkin about him vs. joe and johnny, dogg...not him and some damn peyton manning.
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2116568, The Montana ship sailed, dude. That ain't happening.
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 03:08 PM
I don't give him any more chance of winning a fourth than I do of Peyton winning a second (which would clearly make him better given all the other variables).
In fact, I give him less of a chance just like he had less of a game versus the same opponent in consecutive weeks.
Shit Big Ben might get three soon & nobody's dumb enough to say he's in a Joe Montana conversation.
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2116582, yeah, you hope it don't...we'll see
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Jan-21-13 03:23 PM
if he wins four outta 6 with his numbers...lmao...yeah...you hopin hard.
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2116610, we will, we're going on nine seasons of that big 'if' tho
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 04:06 PM
meanwhile what we are seeing is Brady continually getting outplayed in big games since he became a Top 5-rated passer & lost a Top 3 defense.
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2116622, peyton whole career got an if hovering over it
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Jan-21-13 04:16 PM
and what's sad is, peyton would be a God and prolly the GOAT if brady wasn't here to put all the hyperbole into perspective.
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2117220, Peyton/Brady is an ongoing debate, Montana/Brady was/is DOA
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Jan-22-13 12:43 PM
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2117241, on to next year...
Posted by Basaglia, Tue Jan-22-13 12:58 PM
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2117404, yup, both will likely be in the mix once again
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Jan-22-13 02:25 PM
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2116330, Super Bowl XLVI, Brady had a good ass game
Posted by Ish, Mon Jan-21-13 09:22 AM
It was the defense that lost them the game. Even in Super Bowl 42, Brady threw that touchdown to Moss that should of sealed the game but once again, the defense fucked it up. Not only did Asante Samuel let an interception go right threw his hands, David Tyree caught a ball with one hand. It's the defense that's been shit since Ty Law left. The offense can mask for just so long.
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2116333, agree that Asante blew it, but Brady did not play well in SB42
Posted by rjc27, Mon Jan-21-13 09:26 AM
The Pats did not attack the Ravens where they should have, throwing deep! that's on The playcalling (mcdickhead) the personnel (belicheat) and the qb
>It was the defense that lost them the game. Even in Super
>Bowl 42, Brady threw that touchdown to Moss that should of
>sealed the game but once again, the defense fucked it up. Not
>only did Asante Samuel let an interception go right threw his
>hands, David Tyree caught a ball with one hand. It's the
>defense that's been shit since Ty Law left. The offense can
>mask for just so long.
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2116338, I think he played well considering the D he was up against.
Posted by Ish, Mon Jan-21-13 09:30 AM
The Giants shut down Maroney so he had to throw the whole game. And not only did Asante fuck up, Adalius Thomas failed to wrap Manning on the 4th down. It's the defense, it's been the defense. They suck.
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2116342, Nope. Zero Points & Two Picks In The Second Half. 13 Points Total.
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 09:41 AM
another shitty performance, another playoff game where the supposed GOAT gets outplayed by Joe Flacco (three out of three for those scoring at home).
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2116359, What is wrong with you?
Posted by Ish, Mon Jan-21-13 10:04 AM
>another shitty performance, another playoff game where the
>supposed GOAT gets outplayed by Joe Flacco (three out of three
>for those scoring at home).
You letting your emotions out in your typing. We are talking about the Giants and Pats in superbowl 42. Brady had 1 touchdown and 0 interceptions.
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2116365, was talkin about yesterday, dont care about another sub-Eli Super Bowl L
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 10:12 AM
so my apologies for missing that by not reading.
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2116349, the Pats had the most prolific offense of all time that year
Posted by rjc27, Mon Jan-21-13 09:48 AM
he played like shit in that super bowl, he played scared
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2116357, RE: the Pats had the most prolific offense of all time that year
Posted by Ish, Mon Jan-21-13 10:00 AM
>he played like shit in that super bowl, he played scared
I agree that he played scared but I don't think he played like shit. He could of been better though.
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2117040, Dono choked that one away Brady was avg that game
Posted by JAESCOTT777, Tue Jan-22-13 09:25 AM
Eagles should have won by at least 14
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2116332, RE: Last Time Brady Had A Pantheon Game In A Big Spot, T.O. Was An Eagle
Posted by Ish, Mon Jan-21-13 09:26 AM
>Joe Montana would never need a Top 3 Defense to squeak out a
>chance for a 50-yard-field-goal kick to get his chips.
Not when you have Jerry Rice and Dwight Clark.....lol.
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2116339, Dwight Clark, guy in the NFL 10 years who never made a Pro Bowl pre-Joe?
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 09:31 AM
Jerry, the guy Joe won two titles without after resurrecting a historically terrible franchise before he got there?
K.
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2116343, RE: Dwight Clark, guy in the NFL 10 years who never made a Pro Bowl pre-Joe?
Posted by Ish, Mon Jan-21-13 09:41 AM
So now Dwight Clark and Jerry Rice weren't a significant in Joe Montana's success as a quarterback? So he would of put up those same numbers with Deion Branch and David Givens?
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2116346, RE: Dwight Clark, guy in the NFL 10 years who never made a Pro Bowl pre-Joe?
Posted by Ish, Mon Jan-21-13 09:46 AM
When he won his 1st superbowl, he ran in for the touchdown. When they played Miami, Montana threw 2 touchdown passes to running backs, and ran one in.
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2116351, RE: Dwight Clark, guy in the NFL 10 years who never made a Pro Bowl pre-Joe?
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 09:49 AM
>So now Dwight Clark and Jerry Rice weren't a significant in
>Joe Montana's success as a quarterback?
The Catch has you gassed. Dwight Clark has one 1000+ yard season in his career & made two Pro Bowls due largely to the fact Joe was under center.
Jerry was the greatest but he got two before he even got there.
Nobody said his teammates were garbage, so I don't need to battle that strawman.
So he would of put up
>those same numbers with Deion Branch and David Givens?
Deion Branch at his peak was about even with Dwight Clark, Jerry was great.
Joe also blew the fucking doors off teams with Jerry while Brady was eeking out field-goal-assisted Super Bowl wins over Jake Dellomme with the best defense in the league.
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2116354, RE: Dwight Clark, guy in the NFL 10 years who never made a Pro Bowl pre-Joe?
Posted by Ish, Mon Jan-21-13 09:59 AM
>>So now Dwight Clark and Jerry Rice weren't a significant in
>>Joe Montana's success as a quarterback?
>
>The Catch has you gassed. Dwight Clark has one 1000+ yard
>season in his career & made two Pro Bowls due largely to the
>fact Joe was under center.
Dwight Clark had a 991, 913, 840 and 880.
>Jerry was the greatest but he got two before he even got
>there.
That wasn't my question.
>Nobody said his teammates were garbage, so I don't need to
>battle that strawman.
I didn't say that you did. I said Jerry Rice and Dwight Clark were HUGE in his success. 41 and 55 touchdowns respectively.
>So he would of put up
>>those same numbers with Deion Branch and David Givens?
>
>Deion Branch at his peak was about even with Dwight Clark,
>Jerry was great.
Lmao......stop it.
>Joe also blew the fucking doors off teams with Jerry while
>Brady was eeking out field-goal-assisted Super Bowl wins over
>Jake Dellomme with the best defense in the league.
The Pats were not the best defense but Montana did blow out Denver and Miami.
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2116363, RE: Dwight Clark, guy in the NFL 10 years who never made a Pro Bowl pre-Joe?
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 10:10 AM
>>>So now Dwight Clark and Jerry Rice weren't a significant
>in
>>>Joe Montana's success as a quarterback?
>>
>>The Catch has you gassed. Dwight Clark has one 1000+ yard
>>season in his career & made two Pro Bowls due largely to the
>>fact Joe was under center.
>
>Dwight Clark had a 991, 913, 840 and 880.
>
so?
>>Jerry was the greatest but he got two before he even got
>>there.
>
>That wasn't my question.
>
>>Nobody said his teammates were garbage, so I don't need to
>>battle that strawman.
>
>I didn't say that you did. I said Jerry Rice and Dwight Clark
>were HUGE in his success. 41 and 55 touchdowns respectively.
>
and?
>
>>So he would of put up
>>>those same numbers with Deion Branch and David Givens?
>>
>>Deion Branch at his peak was about even with Dwight Clark,
>>Jerry was great.
>
>Lmao......stop it.
>
*shrugs*
pretty easy to make the argument.
>>Joe also blew the fucking doors off teams with Jerry while
>>Brady was eeking out field-goal-assisted Super Bowl wins
>over
>>Jake Dellomme with the best defense in the league.
>
>The Pats were not the best defense but Montana did blow out
>Denver and Miami.
They were actually the #1 D in the season I referenced & Brady only blows out Tebow.
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2116482, Remind me which of those numbers is greater than 1,000
Posted by magilla vanilla, Mon Jan-21-13 12:56 PM
>Dwight Clark had a 991, 913, 840 and 880.
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2117481, RE: Remind me which of those numbers is greater than 1,000
Posted by Ish, Tue Jan-22-13 03:21 PM
He was a good wideout and he was lined up with the goat.
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2117552, not in any of those still-not-1000-yard-seasons you posted he wasn't
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Jan-22-13 04:40 PM
Once GOAT came in he was a couple 700-yard-seasons & then retired.
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2116353, Man, the Eagles haven't been good in a while.
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Mon Jan-21-13 09:51 AM
(that's what I got from this)
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2116355, Oh this guy's an Eagles fan? I'm out.
Posted by Ish, Mon Jan-21-13 09:59 AM
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2116360, Raiders Aint Had A Winning Season Since 'In Da Club' Was A Brand New Cut
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 10:06 AM
(that's what I got from your reply)
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2116376, Eagles haven't won a Super Bowl since the term "Super Bowl" was coined
Posted by TheRealBillyOcean, Mon Jan-21-13 10:31 AM
(that's what I got from your reply to my reply)
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2116455, http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4w92vrFf01ruxnaho1_500.gif
Posted by themaddfapper, Mon Jan-21-13 12:04 PM
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4w92vrFf01ruxnaho1_500.gif
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2116547, 30 years, 50 years, *shrug* Raiders been a punchline for a decade plus
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 02:49 PM
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2116396, I actually like Brady, but the "He's better than Montana!" arguments are...
Posted by mrhood75, Mon Jan-21-13 11:14 AM
...beyond asinine and have been proven false fairly regularly at this point.
Brady is Brady, and that's a HOF QB and probably in the top 5 to play the position. But he's not, never has been, and never will be Montana. Nothing wrong with that.
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2116447, that's the irony of the peyton vs. brady comparisions
Posted by southphillyman, Mon Jan-21-13 11:59 AM
the last 8 yrs of bradys career done been one long choke fest essentially
barnwell brought up the fact that for whatever reason ppl prioritize choking early in a players career higher than choking late in a career.....and used brady as the case study lol
shit at least peyton chip was more recent
even the 3 rings thing is handicapped by the spygate thing + the fact brady was essentially a game manager back then
like you said since dude has been the man the end results have been Ls
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2116449, basically...
Posted by ThaTruth, Mon Jan-21-13 12:01 PM
>the last 8 yrs of bradys career done been one long choke fest
>essentially
>barnwell brought up the fact that for whatever reason ppl
>prioritize choking early in a players career higher than
>choking late in a career.....and use brady as the case study
>lol
>shit at least peyton chip was more recent
>even the 3 rings thing is handicapped by the spygate thing +
>the fact brady was essentially a game manager back then
>like you said since dude has been the man the end results have
>been Ls
>
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2116453, but, see...it's 3 to fucking 1 & a winning postseason vs. a losing one
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Jan-21-13 12:03 PM
i mean, there is a FINAL tally and then there's just rhetoric.
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2116457, man I hate Brady but this is all that matters... 3 to 1, it's simple
Posted by rjc27, Mon Jan-21-13 12:06 PM
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2116471, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spygate
Posted by theprofessional, Mon Jan-21-13 12:33 PM
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2116468, Montana had 3 straight years of playoff one and done's but cook on
Posted by cgonz00cc, Mon Jan-21-13 12:31 PM
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2116481, due respect, your qb judgement is suspect
Posted by themaddfapper, Mon Jan-21-13 12:54 PM
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2116487, lol, because ill twist the narrative to support my hometown guy?
Posted by cgonz00cc, Mon Jan-21-13 01:05 PM
that just makes a homer
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2116548, wait, is he my dude who thinks Stafford's good?
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 02:51 PM
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2116570, lol hey i freely admit thats Detroit-driven agenda
Posted by cgonz00cc, Mon Jan-21-13 03:10 PM
this year was epically damaging for that
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2116573, *gives you the sympathetic fellow four-win-football-team-fan nod*
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 03:13 PM
>this year was epically damaging for that
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2116577, lol...'preciate that *waits till next year*
Posted by cgonz00cc, Mon Jan-21-13 03:17 PM
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2117227, I think that's me. Stafford GOOD. 24 years old, wait it out.
Posted by Jayson Willyams, Tue Jan-22-13 12:48 PM
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2117233, it was actually both of y'all but nah, he ain't really tho
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Jan-22-13 12:54 PM
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2117400, Let's disagree and not argue about it. n/m
Posted by Jayson Willyams, Tue Jan-22-13 02:23 PM
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2116517, and all he did after walsh benched him for young was rebound and win
Posted by Flash80, Mon Jan-21-13 02:17 PM
two chips in a row.
didn't tommy and the pats get bounced outta their first playoff game in '09 and '10?
pretty sure montana's still the benchmark of how GOAT big game qb'ing is measured, pass-happy league or no pass-happy league, salary cap or no salary cap.
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2116520, hey dont get me wrong, his 88 and 89 playoffs were amazing
Posted by cgonz00cc, Mon Jan-21-13 02:21 PM
but lets not act like he never nutted up in the playoffs
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2116476, thanks for handling this for me
Posted by Beamer6178, Mon Jan-21-13 12:41 PM
So i didnt have to address that better than montana bullshit
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2116504, Quiet as kept Joe Cool's had a fantastic postseason
Posted by micMajestic, Mon Jan-21-13 01:46 PM
Manning and Rodgers were stalled and Brady slipped a rung.
This last half a decade of playoff Brady has been a fun watch. He's been given every opportunity to be clutch but he just doesn't get it done. No matter how much the networks try to boost him up, the tension isn't even there.
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2116509, I like the way you think these days, bomb
Posted by cereffusion, Mon Jan-21-13 02:04 PM
And I got a feeling we going to get some Lance Armstrong-level shit on spygate once some retired player needs some extra money.
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2116519, This year has been straight QB Armageddon.
Posted by RaFromQueens, Mon Jan-21-13 02:19 PM
I don't know what to make of any of it after last year especially. I'm sure someone will declare it the start of some kind of new era though.
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2116525, Manning is better, good to see you're on board Bomb
Posted by HecticHavoc, Mon Jan-21-13 02:25 PM
this 'final tally 3-1' shit is not the totality of the argument.
Peyton easily has the more impressive career
Brady is an elite game manager and with a 14-point-allowing defense, he'll get you a super bowl
but if Brady is asked to go out and put up 28 points in a meaningful game since after i left high school? uuhh... L
man that fucking bullshit 70 yard TD that Denver gave up, up 7 with 30 seconds left... MOTHERFUCKING SAFETY...
anyway. Its Manning.
Brady had zero TDs and 2 INTs at home in the AFC Championship. would've loved to hear ya'll talk about it had Manning pulled that.
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2116538, 3-1...nobody ain't even gotta cop pleas for tom..all that happened
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Jan-21-13 02:42 PM
and it's STILL 3-1 and a winning playoff record vs. 1-3 with a LOSING playoff record.
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2116542, so Trent Dilfer > Dan Marino, got it!
Posted by HecticHavoc, Mon Jan-21-13 02:44 PM
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2116543, yep...y'all mad...we've officially derailed here. i'm out.
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Jan-21-13 02:45 PM
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2116550, nah... your reactionary new neck same heart thread is the genesis
Posted by HecticHavoc, Mon Jan-21-13 02:51 PM
of this entire derailment
you let that game FINALLY DETERMINE THIS DEBATE?
no. you are trying to allow it, to insulate yourself from that horrific, not-even-180-passing-yards performance Brady put up last night.
like i said, if Manning pulled that laughable performance against Baltimore he would've been SHREDDED. by you and the media. Tom will probably get a pass again, because hey, he was really good at driving to the 35 yard line so Vinatieri could win the game for him.
this shit aint fabricated, and im only mad about Denver losing to Baltimore.
its all good, this debate is not 'over', i respect Mannings career over Brady and there is no thorough analysis proving one over the other, YET.
u cant dispute anything Bomb or myself has posted, and i admit i cant dispute the '3-1 its OVER!'ring argument.
but Trent Dilfer has more rings than Marino, gotta look at the whole picture. regular season success gotta mean something, if Brady's 45 yard drives in playoff games when the game is tied 14-14 mean that much to you.
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2116557, tom has EARNED the fry cushion he gets because he won THREE
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Jan-21-13 02:57 PM
and he been to FIVE...y'all so mad you can't see this. the media and most unbiased fans not gonna go as far as they in calling tom a choker as they do in callin peyton a choker. why is that? because they like tom better? no, dogg...he's got more credibility than peyton. simply and plain.
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2116594, do the 3 earn him a PERMANENT fry cushion tho?
Posted by dula dibiasi, Mon Jan-21-13 03:46 PM
like, is there a statute of limitations?
them shits was a while ago, young.
>and he been to FIVE...y'all so mad you can't see this. the
>media and most unbiased fans not gonna go as far as they in
>calling tom a choker as they do in callin peyton a choker. why
>is that? because they like tom better? no, dogg...he's got
>more credibility than peyton. simply and plain.
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2116603, maybe when he has a LOSING playoff record
Posted by Basaglia, Mon Jan-21-13 04:02 PM
as it stands, he's 17 and 7...more than 2:1 winning, dogg. stop this MADness.
and he was just in the superbowl LAST YEAR.
see, people who shit on peyton ain't gotta split hairs--or HALVES, or quarters or PLAYS, and they damn sure ain't gotta split up his CAREER, to question his toughness, resolve and poise in tight spots.
he got a losing record and a rack of win-costing fuckups for people to pick on. the absolute bottomline is...tom don't have AS MANY. in fact, he has WAY LESS.
it really is that simple.
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2117630, ^^^^ GETS IT
Posted by Dr Claw, Tue Jan-22-13 06:23 PM
granted, I think as far as being QBs, the ONLY QB of this generation that compares to Peyton is Tom Brady and vice versa. Brees slowly knocking on that door.
but "rings trumps all" is bullshit.
especially since Tom Brady didn't become QB GOD until AFTER they started losing in the playoffs
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2117477, In both of Mannings Superbowls, 2 touchdowns and
Posted by Ish, Tue Jan-22-13 03:19 PM
2 interceptions, and he's better than Brady?
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2116588, AND Jerry Rice is still the single season TD king, fuck Randy Moss
Posted by celery77, Mon Jan-21-13 03:36 PM
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2116589, yup, Reggie White is the single-season sack king too
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 03:38 PM
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2116606, lol
Posted by RaFromQueens, Mon Jan-21-13 04:03 PM
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2116613, LOL @ Strahan needing a gift from Favre & 5 extra games to pass Reggie
Posted by Bombastic, Mon Jan-21-13 04:08 PM
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2116615, when you're right, you're right -- another Favre lying/stealing gem
Posted by celery77, Mon Jan-21-13 04:10 PM
is there ANYTHING Brett Favre's drug-addled, fun-addicted fucking brain got *right* during his post-SB years in the NFL?
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2116830, RE: Last Time Brady Had A Pantheon Game In A Big Spot, T.O. Was An Eagle
Posted by cereffusion, Mon Jan-21-13 10:50 PM
http://qkme.me/3snn71
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2116844, RE: Last Time Brady Had A Pantheon Game In A Big Spot, T.O. Was An Eagle
Posted by jimaveli, Mon Jan-21-13 11:25 PM
>Magic would never miss the playoffs with three Hall of Famers
>alongside him.
>
Not unless all of those HOFers were bitches who were playing as shells of themselves with coaches changing in a bad organization with a shallow supporting cast in a league with more talent overall and younger, better players...oops...
>Joe Montana would never need a Top 3 Defense to squeak out a
>chance for a 50-yard-field-goal kick to get his chips.
>
I'll let you have that one.
I do NOT like the arguments of playoff records and SB chips defining QB legacies. Obviously, I play along like everyone else in order to have conversations about QB legacies...but...to be clear...I'm a much bigger fan of dissecting the play of QBs in the playoffs and SB games to decide my opinions.
Like...to me...Kurtis Warner > Peyton in the playoffs. Not worlds better cuz Kurt wasn't above throwing a pick either, but better. Crazy stats, less folding/fading/flaking, take the hit man throws and jackass drives, etc. And I'd have to look, but I'm not so sure he isn't in a conversation with Brady too. Tommy HAS been worked by Baltimore repeatedly. But this gets into my theory about Tommy and Peyton being cats who can only win games presnap. When they can't win that way, their general lack of adlib wit and/or athleticism KILLS them. REGULARLY. On the other hand, that ability propells Big Ben. If he played on a team that cut him loose with talent, he'd be a statistical monster. As it stands, he gets yards in chunks, tends to convert big plays in big moments, and 1 of his 2 SBs (the Arizona one) is mostly on his arm. The D couldn't deal with Warner and Larry down the stretch but Ben made play after play to get the Steelers down the field. And that throw to Santonio? Holmes is still getting paid off of that.
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2116879, if only their leader was a guy that passes the ball instead of the buck
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Jan-22-13 12:14 AM
>>Magic would never miss the playoffs with three Hall of
>Famers
>>alongside him.
>>
>
>Not unless all of those HOFers were bitches who were playing
>as shells of themselves with coaches changing in a bad
>organization with a shallow supporting cast in a league with
>more talent overall and younger, better players...oops...
>
>
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2117039, Haha...
Posted by jimaveli, Tue Jan-22-13 09:17 AM
You win there. Kobe is great but he's a corrosive ballhog when the funk hits the fan. He still needs to be coached, reminded, babysat, etc. I just think it is more obvious in his case because he's had different coaches and The Laker organization has changed quite a bit too. AND he's playing in an era where your shitty draws get shown because of coverage volume, ex-players talking more openly, etc. And Feel selling him out to sell books and his own mystique of brilliance didn't help either. AND...its kinda naked eye obvious but folks don't wanna see it cuz he's a great player with rangs, ridiculous individual performances stacked up, etc.
Still...them other cats are outlandishly flawed players in an NBA that has 'better' and younger star players with less fatal or at least less obvious weaknesses. Pau is a bitch who is stuck in the middle of a mess who probably won't ever get used properly so that him being a bitch wouldn't be so horrible...obviously. Dwight is a celebrity bball player with childlike poise who can't make free throws or short jumpers when he can't pounce on the basket...obviously. And Steve Nash is a brittle damn near 40-year old who is undersized. He also plays matador defense and hasn't played in intensely competitive/important NBA games in half a decade...somewhat obviously. And D'Antoni is a celebrity coach with a gimmick style that requires hella horses to run. And them mules they have in purple and gold can't run it.
Jimaveli
>>>Magic would never miss the playoffs with three Hall of
>>Famers
>>>alongside him.
>>>
>>
>>Not unless all of those HOFers were bitches who were playing
>>as shells of themselves with coaches changing in a bad
>>organization with a shallow supporting cast in a league with
>>more talent overall and younger, better players...oops...
>>
>>
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2117486, RE: Last Time Brady Had A Pantheon Game In A Big Spot, T.O. Was An Eagle
Posted by Ish, Tue Jan-22-13 03:23 PM
>
>Like...to me...Kurtis Warner > Peyton in the playoffs. Not
>worlds better cuz Kurt wasn't above throwing a pick either,
>but better. Crazy stats, less folding/fading/flaking, take the
>hit man throws and jackass drives, etc. And I'd have to look,
>but I'm not so sure he isn't in a conversation with Brady too.
>Tommy HAS been worked by Baltimore repeatedly. But this gets
>into my theory about Tommy and Peyton being cats who can only
>win games presnap. When they can't win that way, their general
>lack of adlib wit and/or athleticism KILLS them. REGULARLY. On
>the other hand, that ability propells Big Ben. If he played on
>a team that cut him loose with talent, he'd be a statistical
>monster. As it stands, he gets yards in chunks, tends to
>convert big plays in big moments, and 1 of his 2 SBs (the
>Arizona one) is mostly on his arm. The D couldn't deal with
>Warner and Larry down the stretch but Ben made play after play
>to get the Steelers down the field. And that throw to
>Santonio? Holmes is still getting paid off of that.
>
Great point! Never looked at it this way.
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2117014, 3 rings, is 3 rings, 2 runner ups
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Tue Jan-22-13 03:53 AM
3 trips to the afc championship game in the past 5 years
mvp season,
afc east champions.
what part of dominance am i missing?
and he is better at what he has done than Kobe Bryant imo.
brady ain't hardly had no all pro running backs. a randy moss for 2 years and you saw results.
i know how badd brady and crew are as a Buffalo bills fan.
brady still chasing or breaking records.
ain't his fault Wes Welker got Crisco grease on his hands ole butterfangers jive turkey.
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2117102, only a bills fan talks about 'runner-ups'
Posted by cereffusion, Tue Jan-22-13 11:07 AM
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2117218, all well & good, the Montana thing is done, just like Kobe over Magic
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Jan-22-13 12:42 PM
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2117814, MONTANA thinks alot of Brady
Posted by mistermaxxx08, Wed Jan-23-13 12:02 AM
and Brady is a Beast period. regardless of what happens next he made a huge mark and statement.
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2117815, no argument there
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Jan-23-13 12:03 AM
>and Brady is a Beast period. regardless of what happens next
>he made a huge mark and statement.
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2117020, This post is like silver linings playbook in text form
Posted by IceburgSmurf, Tue Jan-22-13 06:37 AM
all that typing to say we the eagles fanbase still hates brady, wishes we won a superbowl and even more inexplicaply wish we had the sack record and wish the pats had beat the giants in SB42.
Only thing missing is a doc claw rant on Eli lol
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2117237, http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18c7tnegnnrskgif/cmt-medium.gif
Posted by thejerseytornado, Tue Jan-22-13 12:56 PM
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18c7tnegnnrskgif/cmt-medium.gif
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It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.
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2117250, props on being first to implement that perfect GIF on the sports board
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Jan-22-13 01:01 PM
I knew it couldn't be out there for more than 24 hours without someone doing so.
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2117489, i scanned this post twice to make sure i wasn't duplicating the effort
Posted by thejerseytornado, Tue Jan-22-13 03:26 PM
shocked it wasn't here earlier.
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It's only funny till someone gets mad. Then it's hilarious.
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2117406, Top 10 QB all time.
Posted by smutsboy, Tue Jan-22-13 02:26 PM
Wins another super bowl, he'll be objectively higher on this list.
Everything else is talking head nonsense.
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2117410, of course he is, would never argue otherwise for him or Peyton
Posted by Bombastic, Tue Jan-22-13 02:30 PM
just leave Montana out of this like Kobe & the 2013 postseason.
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2117642, RE: of course he is, would never argue otherwise for him or Peyton
Posted by pretentious username, Tue Jan-22-13 07:11 PM
just for the record, i'd say SB42 temporarily deaded the Montana comparisons (if he wins 2 after this i would entertain them again), but can you really blame people for entertaining them prematurely? he won 3 in his first 4 seasons starting. even as mostly a game manager that's still crazy.
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2117646, The whole squad aint been the same since "Video-Gate"
Posted by low2behold, Tue Jan-22-13 07:25 PM
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