Poll question: Better player at the peak of their powers

Poll result (37 votes) Kobe (26 votes) Vote T-Mac (11 votes) Vote

His main criticism was no playoff success

We saw how good Kobe's teams were between Shaq leaving
and Pau arriving

If T-Mac doesn't get hurt, he's among the 10 best
players ever

Rebounded, handled the ball and passed better than Kobe


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still didn't do shit when he had him.

He really wasn't the same after 2003 and was still
among the best players in the league

2002-2003 is really the last time we saw him at FULL
health


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And this post is about the PEAK OF THEIR
POWERS

At his PEAK, T-MAC was better than Kobe at Kobe's
peak


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better passer, athlete, rebounder, facilitator, and by all accounts a better teammate

n/m

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Pau would actually shit for him and floss his teeth afterward to boot.

Give up?
















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MAD.

bottomline, both fully healthy, at their best...kobe could do 60 in 3 quarters. t-mac couldn't.

i mean, maybe this is nostalgia and hoping niggas wouldn't remember t-mac and y'all could get yall kobe hate on AGAIN...but, this thread coulda EASILY offered up vince carter or pierce or wade...but, they all still playing and WE SEE DAILY that none are on kob level NOW, so tryna go on the premise of "at their best" looks foolish...

...so mac is offered up...lmao.

whatever.

T-Mac is the only player you named with injury problems. His is really a what-if situation.

T-Mac is no slouch, but he's no all-timer either.

He's one of the few players who legitimately looked unstoppable.

But would also fold in big games.

Same scoring...and that includes T-Mac only averaging 4pts for ATL last year. How is that folding in big games again?

i don't know how much of a apples to apples comparison you can make with this.

or "Kobe" hate. T-Mac was a GREAT player, and niggas forgot.

forgot T-Mac was a great player.
saying a blanket statement like their numbers match w\o looking at the other intagibles is what i have a problem with.

>forgot T-Mac was a great player.
>saying a blanket statement like their numbers match w\o
>looking at the other intagibles is what i have a problem with.

That's what WS and PER measure

Kobe supporters are only using points per game

When Kobe didn't have Shaq or Pau Gasol he was a
chucker, and a worse player than T-Mac in the best
season we saw him (he wasn't really even healthy after
2004)



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http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200105010ORL.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200304300DET.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200305020ORL.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200305040DET.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200505070DAL.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200705030UTA.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200705050HOU.html

but oks lost it shock factor a long time ago

Tracy McGrady was actually ungodly good, and we've
let the back injury taint our memory

The only complaint we had against T-Mac was
his lack of playoff success, but we saw how
far Kobe got between losing Shaq and getting
Pau

Remember my post about T-Mac being better than
lebron at age 23? People were up in arms mad
until they looked at the numbers, and T-Mac
really was about as good or better



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Discuss

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said all-star 7 footer DID the year t-mac missed the playoffs with an injury, though

Bwhahahaha

Damn you did that to yourself, homie

And T-Mac's back injuries started in 2004, intelligent guy



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.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/pts_per_g_season.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/pts_game.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/ORL/2004.html

And T-Mac was 23 years old

Kobe was 26-27 years old, closer to his
basketball prime

T-Mac was a better basketball player in his prime
than Kobe was in his

More valuable

Better player by every conceivable measure



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It measures chuck rate mostly

At the peak of their powers, T-Mac > Kobe

Take their two best seasons, compare them

T-Mac wins


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Everybody knows that the best way to Attack The Media Status Quo™ is... by posting on a message board!

And Nique would have soooooo many votes.

Every measure

Regular stats

Advanced stats,

etc



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which is what cost him in later years, however back between 2000-2003 T Mac had him and a was a better defensive player as well IMO.

T-Mac was the truth back in the day.

bottom line anybody could have ran with Shaq from 99-04.

as Great as Kobe is, lets not act like T-Mac, Vince Carter and Iverson couldn't have ridin as sidekicks and held there lane with Shaq??

Kobe wasn't in a situation that T-Mac was in.

Simply, KD w/ more athleticism.

He'll tell you he's the one guy who doesn't have tendencies like everyone else, the one guy you can't really predict. Among other things, of course, but that's a good start to what he's said about Kobe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfurCV1FDpM

playing through injuries, winning an MVP, getting All-Star MVP's, racking up First/Second NBA All-Defensive Team spots (deserved or otherwse, whatever, I'll take it), Olympic Gold Medals, helping great but underachieving bigs win rings they didn't have before teaming up with him, and being the one guy in his generation that people persist in trying to unearth anyone and everyone that can be remotely considered better than, and being the one name consistantly mentioned as the best his position has ever seen with the lone exception of the virtually unquestioned GOAT?

I'm not sure, but whoever it is, I'll take that guy.

and it got to the point where niggas was like man even Pippen's better!!