Especially considering that leaves 8 All Defense to Birds ZERO.

At any rate, the argument wasn't about who was better or whatever, but about RA's assertion that Kobe's individual accolades don't fuck with that list AT ALL.

Even if you clip Kobe's first four years, he's got a resume that certainly "fucks with that list".

Without clipping Kobe's first four years and looking at each career as a whole? LOL. His overall list is easiloy better than Birds and pretty much on par with Magic. This idea that him playing longer hurts him is absurd; sure, they did more in less time, but at the end of the day we gotta sit back and look at their careers from start to finish, and the fact that he's still playing at a point where the others weren't is a point in his favor, not against. The only reason I brought up his first four years was because RA's is fucking with the goal posts... and like I said, even then, he's still got a list to rival theirs- especially when you consider how much more they had in terms of top to bottom talent on their respective squads.

His list doesn't beat Birds in that case, but it's about par. It's below Magic at that point. But again, you guys gotta bend, twist, contort and reach to fit shit into whatever box you need to shit on Kobe.