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2107203, RE: which amounts to so very little it's funny you even brought it up
Posted by Bombastic, Wed Jan-09-13 01:19 PM
>>LOL @ 10-6 mattering.
>
>LOL at you ignoring my point.
>
>10-6 for a team with very little talent on it * * is a sign of
>what Bob did this year, as he was one of the only good players
>on the roster. * *
>
>If you think 10-6 wasn't an achievement for this shitty ass
>roster, go ahead and and explain how great these players are.
>
I'm under no obligation to explain how 'great' his cast is.

His cast wasn't great.

It was better than Luck's, which is why they won 5 games last year as opposed to Indy's two, however they had holes.

Has nothing to do with installing an offense that will be one the franchise QB can successfully grow into & with for a long productive career.

>>This offense sold Bob Griffin short, that is the issue.
>
>6th best offense in the league. In the MVP discussion.
>Probable ROY or ROY runner up. One of the best rookie seasons
>in NFL history.
>
Short-term win with a ROY trophy, long term loss because they didn't start the process of letting him become an NFL QB.

>Yeah, this offense sure wasted his talents, didn't it?
>
yup.
>
>
>>
>>Let him get on with the business of being a quarterback,
>like
>>he was drafted to be.
>>
>>>Should they consider more of a hybrid offense? Sure.
>>>
>>>Does the failure of Randall Cunningham and Mike Vick to
>ever
>>>win anything mean nobody should try to invent new hyrbid
>>>offenses in the NFL?
>>>
>>Randall Cunningham had a pretty nice career, so I don't know
>>why you're trying to make him out to be garbage to cop pleas
>>for this insane set-up of Shanny's.
>
>You're the one crying about running QBs, you tell me.
>
The crying ain't on my end, I'm just stating the truth as someone who's actually seen how this plays out.
>>
>>Holla at me when Bob gets to one MVP season let alone two
>like
>>Randall.
>>
>>You act like Vick was garbage, he was actually better coming
>>out of college than Bob was.
>
>As a PASSER, which you seem to be so obsessed with, Vick was
>NOT better coming out of college.
>
yeah, he was actually, Vick had shown plenty of passing tools coming out of college which is why was part of why he took a never-was program to the national-title game & why folks were fighting over trying to trade for him as the first overall pick.

>Which is it? Vick was a good QB in college and Bob was a good
>QB this year, or neither.
>
>You can't have it both ways.
>
lol, wut.

The college game & success in it is completely different in the NFL, that should be obvious to anyone with half a brain.

The point is that the Redskins needed to start working on making RGIII an NFL QB rather than selling him short & installing an offense that was an extension of a college scheme.

That was short-sighted bordering on stupid but hey, they won ten games & got a playoff appearance out of it.

Whoopty-damn-do(c)D.C.
>
>>
>>>Not in smarts. Not in work ethic. Not in college PASSING
>>>experience.
>>>
>>Vick took VATECH to the national-title game as a
>19-year-old,
>>if he had hung around as long as Bob did the Heisman would
>not
>>have been an issue.
>>
>>This offense got in the way of Bob's learning curve on how
>to
>>be a real QB in this league.
>
>
>Ah yes, back to your nebulous, unprovable theory about Bob's
>future.
>
I don't claim to know what RGIII's future holds, just that this gimmicky shit Shanny had him running (unlike the system he put in place for late Elway, Young Griese, Young Cutler & even Cousins on his own team) was not in line with building for a long career as a passer.

>You should probably wait until he has at least one bad season
>before you try keep pimping this useless theory.
>
>You're 0 for 1 so far.
>
lmao, sure I am.
>
>>
>>You can keep creating diversions to make it about Mike Vick
>or
>>some other strawman but the song remains the same in regards
>>to RGIII's 'development' which now will be spending its
>first
>>offseason in rehab.
>
>You're the one who mentions Vick and other "running" QBs in
>Bob posts. Do you need me to link to those posts or do you
>want to stop pretending?
>
Nah, you keep trying to crowbar Vick or Randall (both of whom had success at various points in their career including two MVP's for Randall) into some kind of convo as proof that they sucked but relying on your quarterback's legs as an offense is still sound but it isn't.

If Randall had been in that Billick system he shredded the league with in Minnesota during his early career, his already-good career would have been better.

Just like if Shanny had trusted RGIII to make his QB have more than one read per snap along with passing at a far higher ratio than this asinine 2-to-1 ratio he rolled out there with (like, for instance, the way Reid did with Donovan in his first five years) then you'd have a sunnier long-term outlook for the QB you just spent three first-rounders on.

>The Redskins brought a new offense to the NFL this year.
>
A 'new offense' that looked like a college gimmick & fails to hone the skills that need honing.

We all know RGIII can run.

Some of us also understand that's not a skill you base a pro franchise around.

>One that finished 6th, despite have precisely three good
>players on it.
>
Smoke-and-mirrors.

Let your quarterback play quarterback.

>Forgive us for not giving a shit about your predictions for
>Bob's skills as a QB.
>
See, I made no comment on his skills, you're just mad.

Now RGIII is going to spend his offseason in rehab while you manage to cry about Shanny playing him while at the same time justifying the way he played him while he was in there.

Oh well, not my problem.

I'll just continue to keep it one-hundred.

They sold this kid short. That's obvious already & will continue to become moreso if they don't learn from it like you apparently refuse to do.