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2105823, The Dynasties: '94-'97 Nebraska vs. '09-'12 Alabama|
Posted by yoose2lurk, Wed Dec-31-69 07:00 PM
Who you got?
Poll question: The Dynasties: '94-'97 Nebraska vs. '09-'12 Alabama
|Poll result (22 votes)|
|Nebraska|| (16 votes)||Vote|
|Alabama|| (6 votes)||Vote|
2105863, are you even aware of what you are witnessing right now?|
Posted by yoose2lurk, Tue Jan-08-13 12:01 AM
with scholarship limitations.
in the most dominant conference in years.
a conference that has won 7 straight titles.
Bama is the gold standard and if Saban stays,
man. this is 80's Miami shit without the .... ya know.
but Nebraska's run was epic. sure the '97 title
was a split but we didn't win our division or conference
in '11. every run involves some luck.
2105983, I laughed heartily....|
Posted by guru0509, Tue Jan-08-13 08:02 AM
>with scholarship limitations.
All snark aside, congrats for real.
I hope we get to square off with you guys before Saban leaves for Texas or the NFL.
I still think Nebraska gets a slight edge in terms of the all time great dynasties.
Young Jeezy- It's Tha World
Raekwon - Shaolin vs Wu-Tang
Obie Trice - Cheers
2106094, everytime he makes that point i crack the fuck up|
Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Jan-08-13 10:55 AM
2106313, Why can't you comprehend that you can't have more than 85 on scholarship?|
Posted by yoose2lurk, Tue Jan-08-13 12:58 PM
Back in the day, you could have like 125.
You guys are just....I don't know. Roll Tide?
2106316, Everyone had a level field though, Nebraska was competing against|
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Jan-08-13 01:00 PM
teams with 100+ scholarship players, today every other team is dealing with those limitations.
sometimes the whole "salary cap era" thing comes into play talking about dynasties, but where you can just refill your slots every year and everyone plays by the same rules? eh, doesn't strike me the same way, sorry.
2106340, google search: "alabama oversigning" http://www.google.com/search?q=alabama+oversigning&oq=alabama+oversigning&sugexp=chrome,mod=10&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8|
Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Jan-08-13 01:14 PM
dont play dumb
Posted by DeepAztheRoot, Tue Jan-08-13 01:36 PM
2106383, not arguing w/ fools in '13. I'll explain on the child style so you |
Posted by yoose2lurk, Tue Jan-08-13 01:46 PM
don't miss: Signing players is different from the NCAA limit on the amount of
student athletes you can have on scholarship. If you have 65 players
on scholarship and you sign 22 and only 20 qualify academically,
then you have 85 players on scholarship. Got it? Good.
2106398, and when all 22 qualify you make up an injury for someone else |
Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Jan-08-13 01:54 PM
2106413, Even assuming that's true,|
Posted by yoose2lurk, Tue Jan-08-13 02:03 PM
what does that have to do with my original point, that
it's now 85 vs. 85 as opposed to 105 vs. 65? This point
was made in reference to the previous dynasties of
the 40s (Notre Dame) and 70s (Bama). Not sure what
the rules were in the 90s.
If you're butt hurt at saban and Bama's success just say that.
But you're getting nowhere here. I don't know why people don't
just learn from saban and try to apply his process to their lives.
That's what I plan to do. The guy is an amazing example of
superb discipline and focus and organization. Don't hate, appreciate.
2106438, no, not assuming, it is lol|
Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Jan-08-13 02:21 PM
he has signed 100 recruits in the last 4 classes
i mean cmon
2106458, 4 x 25 = 100|
Posted by yoose2lurk, Tue Jan-08-13 02:54 PM
>he has signed 100 recruits in the last 4 classes
>i mean cmon
2106460, if only the rule referred to an average|
Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Jan-08-13 03:01 PM
the years were 26, 22, 27, 27
2106475, You're clueless when it comes to this aren't you? Smh. |
Posted by yoose2lurk, Tue Jan-08-13 03:21 PM
You're not taking into account graduation and early
entrants to the nfl. The numbers work themselves out.
I'm done with you. There are people who need my attention.
I'm wasting time on you.
2105910, Only 2 SEC titles, backed into 2 out of 3 chip games.|
Posted by Kajun, Tue Jan-08-13 12:49 AM
Hell of a run, major props on that, but extremely lucky as well.
You don't win 2 of these titles pre-BCS (for better or worse, but true).
Nebraska and their 3 undefeated seasons in 4 years clearly takes this.
2105912, RE: Only 2 SEC titles, backed into 2 out of 3 chip games.|
Posted by yoose2lurk, Tue Jan-08-13 12:53 AM
>Hell of a run, major props on that, but extremely lucky as
can't win championships without luck.
>You don't win 2 of these titles pre-BCS (for better or worse,
everything should be examined within the context of the system
that exists at the time.
>Nebraska and their 3 undefeated seasons in 4 years clearly
but compare the big 8 or 12 or whatever with the SEC right now.
look at how tough the SEC West is. The SEC. 7 straight titles.
Parity. a system that guaranteed 1 vs 2. clearly? really?
2105922, I'm an LSU fan so you know what it is...lol.|
Posted by Kajun, Tue Jan-08-13 01:23 AM
A National Championship without even winning your division is so far below what Nebraska accomplished its ridiculous. The amount of luck involved in these last 2 "championships" is laughable. You needed other teams to trip over their own feet for you to even get in the game in 2 straight years.
Nebraska simply WON ALL THEIR GAMES.
Here are the rankings of teams Nebraska beat in their undefeated seasons:
1994: (2, 3, 13, 16, 24)
1995: (2, 7, 8, 10)
1997: (2, 3, 14, 17)
Nebraska beat the #2 ranked team in all 3 seasons, and the #3 ranked team twice. So there goes that argument. They played tough schedules, period.
They went undefeated 3 times, no luck needed win you win em all. Unlike Bama which lost AT HOME in each year of its last two titles.
Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Jan-08-13 10:56 AM
>A National Championship without even winning your division is
>so far below what Nebraska accomplished its ridiculous. The
>amount of luck involved in these last 2 "championships" is
>laughable. You needed other teams to trip over their own feet
>for you to even get in the game in 2 straight years.
>Nebraska simply WON ALL THEIR GAMES.
>Here are the rankings of teams Nebraska beat in their
>1994: (2, 3, 13, 16, 24)
>1995: (2, 7, 8, 10)
>1997: (2, 3, 14, 17)
>Nebraska beat the #2 ranked team in all 3 seasons, and the #3
>ranked team twice. So there goes that argument. They played
>tough schedules, period.
>They went undefeated 3 times, no luck needed win you win em
>all. Unlike Bama which lost AT HOME in each year of its last
2106997, LOL @ within the system but you making a stink over scholarships|
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Wed Jan-09-13 10:11 AM
You want it both ways and you're just arguing every point in favor of Bama, mostly with insults to other posters. Is this sports or politics?
2105911, i'll take The U 2000-02|
Posted by LBs Finest, Tue Jan-08-13 12:49 AM
got snubbed from the title game in 2000, and shoulda won back to back after that.
2105964, The best dynasties don't lose at home|
Posted by DeepAztheRoot, Tue Jan-08-13 06:27 AM
Nebraska also had 3 undefeated seasons during that time
Wins over Top 25 teams: 19
Wins over Top 10 teams: 12
Average scoring margin: 24.2
Wins decided by 7 points or less: Five
Losses: at South Carolina (2010), at LSU (10), Auburn (10), LSU (11), Texas A&M (12)
All-Americans: Mark Ingram (09), Mike Johnson (09), Terrence Cody (09), Rolando McClain (09), Javier Arenas (09), Leigh Tiffin (09), Donta Hightower (11), Mark Barron (11), Trent Richardson (11), Courtney Upshaw (11), Dre Kirkpatrick (11), Barrett Jones (11, 12), D.J. Fluker (12), Chance Warmack (12), C.J. Mosley (12), Dee Milliner (12)
Wins over Top 25 teams: 17
Wins over Top 10 teams: 10
Average scoring margin: 30.1
Wins decided by 7 points or less: Four
Losses: at Arizona State (96), Texas (96)
All-Americans: Zach Wiegert (94), Brendan Stai (94), Ed Stewart (94), Tommie Frazier (95), Aaron Graham (95), Jared Tomich (95, 96), Aaron Taylor (96, 97), Grant Wistrom (96, 97), Jason Peter (97)
2105974, Can you do a draft eval too? We've had a lot of early entries to the nfl|
Posted by yoose2lurk, Tue Jan-08-13 07:22 AM
but have still managed to maintain in what I believe to be
a more difficult conference. Plus a conference championship game
in a conference experiencing unprecedented dominance.
7 chips in a row.
Sure we lost at home but we haven't lost on the road since 2010.
2106471, Only one of those teams is in the SEC. |
Posted by Alias-I-am, Tue Jan-08-13 03:15 PM
2106619, Wrong, the SEC was not special this bowl season|
Posted by DeepAztheRoot, Tue Jan-08-13 06:57 PM
they should be thankful Alabama won because there were cracks in the foundation this year
furthermore NU's resume is better than the Tide's
2106995, the SEC went 6-3 this bowl season, best in the NCAA|
Posted by KosherSam, Wed Jan-09-13 10:10 AM
2107024, actually the ACC had an identical %|
Posted by cgonz00cc, Wed Jan-09-13 10:43 AM
2107455, identical %, yes. but 6-3 is more impressive than 4-2|
Posted by KosherSam, Wed Jan-09-13 04:25 PM
2107483, quit blockin my shine bro. WE BEAT NUMBER 1*!!!|
Posted by cgonz00cc, Wed Jan-09-13 04:49 PM
2107313, with a big time faceplant against the Big East and ESPN making excuses|
Posted by DeepAztheRoot, Wed Jan-09-13 02:16 PM
a kingpin in LSU getting taken down by an ACC squad
USC and UGA having to sweat until the 4th quarter against two schools with inferior talent
Alabama had a great bowl season, the SEC, unlike in past years, did not look that special against other leagues under the microscope
2105988, Nerbraska won one national championship in 1995|
Posted by bshelly, Tue Jan-08-13 08:35 AM
why are we even talking about them in the same breath as Bama?
2106048, 94,95 and 97 |
Posted by JAESCOTT777, Tue Jan-08-13 10:11 AM
94 being the most dominant football team of all time
2106049, He just salty that Pedterno and State Pen got shafted....nm|
Posted by guru0509, Tue Jan-08-13 10:13 AM
Young Jeezy- It's Tha World
Raekwon - Shaolin vs Wu-Tang
Obie Trice - Cheers
2106050, Penn State was better in 94, Michigan was better in 97|
Posted by bshelly, Tue Jan-08-13 10:15 AM
Michigan was actually the far bigger travesty, since Osbourne announced his retirement a month early to steal sympathy votes away from the real best team.
2106064, Yeah u DEFINATELY mad ..94??? Yeah |
Posted by JAESCOTT777, Tue Jan-08-13 10:36 AM
2106289, lol @ Michigan better in 1997|
Posted by DeepAztheRoot, Tue Jan-08-13 12:44 PM
you don't have a clue, or just forgot the beatdown over Tennessee and Peyton Manning
that and Michigan's outstanding defense but mediocre offense that would have been shutdown entirely
you are still mad
2106319, ooo, you beat ut peyton manning in a big game.|
Posted by bshelly, Tue Jan-08-13 01:02 PM
it's not like peyton lost every big game he played in college or anything. foh with that noise. michigan was ranked number 1 in both polls, osbourne manipulated the voters' emotions, and the voters fell for it.
2106335, Fulmer helped by voting Michigan #6 or something|
Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Jan-08-13 01:11 PM
butthurt that his boy didnt win the Heisman
2106371, or that Michigan wasn't the best team in the country to begin with|
Posted by DeepAztheRoot, Tue Jan-08-13 01:31 PM
If Michigan takes care of business against a mediocre Washington State squad it isn't an issue instead of sweating out clock management issues at the end
2106332, LOL!!! UCF, K State, Baylor, and Colorado all scored 21+ vs you|
Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Jan-08-13 01:10 PM
Baylor and Colorado combined for 6...total...against UM
Michigan had like 20 guys on that team that each spent >5 years in the NFL
Nebraska didnt even have half of that
and the mediocre offense you mentioned never scored less than 20, and put multiple skill players in the league
2106374, garbage time state is all you have huh?|
Posted by DeepAztheRoot, Tue Jan-08-13 01:34 PM
you really don't want to do the comparison, which is why Vegas oddsmakers for Nebraska looked like Alabama's over Notre Dame
We can really blame it all on the Big Ten being too stupid and myopic to leave the Rose Bowl tie-in earlier.
There were a boatload of 'Huskers that went to the NFL during that time too not that it is a defining point.
2106396, lol @ garbage time|
Posted by cgonz00cc, Tue Jan-08-13 01:53 PM
17-14 UCF at the half
Nebraska beat Mizzou 45-38
and Colorado 27-24
thats not garbage time.
and for your pros i see Ahman Green...then Mike Brown...then Grant Wistrom and KVB (neither of whome have more career sacks than James Hall)
not a long list of contributors
2106317, they should have at least a share, that was bullshit|
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Tue Jan-08-13 01:01 PM
i got a private tour of huskers stadium and wrote that in their guestbook.
2106045, Nebraska and it ain't close |
Posted by JAESCOTT777, Tue Jan-08-13 10:10 AM
2106920, Nebraska, not even a question. Kajun laid out why |
Posted by LA2Philly, Wed Jan-09-13 03:14 AM
2107091, As of right now, it's Nebraska just because of how good the 94-95|
Posted by soulfunk, Wed Jan-09-13 11:52 AM
teams were and the fact that Alabama has lost games in two of their national championship years.
BUT we could just be in the middle of Alabama's run. There's no signs of it stopping any time soon. As long as Saban is there they will be in contention for a chip and it could end up being a run unlike anything we've seen before. The only thing that could stop them is if they have one loss during the year and get left out of the championship game, but that's gonna be harder going forward with the playoff system.