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|Topic subject||Damn, Griz want to trade Rudy Gay|
2103707, Damn, Griz want to trade Rudy Gay|
Posted by all stah, Sat Jan-05-13 04:02 PM
good luck trying to trade that shit ass contract....16.4 mill this year for him
mayo chilling! rudy chucking!
that's an L ...yep!. you know who you are.
2103711, That's what happens when you give non max players max deals|
Posted by ConcreteCharlie, Sat Jan-05-13 04:08 PM
I hope the new CBA leads to less of this. But I doubt it.
Gay is a good player, but I'd sooner have Andre Iguodala and he is not worth the max either.
2103712, RE: That's what happens when you give non max players max deals|
Posted by all stah, Sat Jan-05-13 04:11 PM
gay is not a good player. He is a chucker, and he provides no defense.
he is set to make 16 mil this year, 17 mil next year, and 19 mil after that
Iggy is more all around, and has a better IQ . I agree with the iggy part.
2103716, RE: That's what happens when you give non max players max deals|
Posted by murph71, Sat Jan-05-13 04:15 PM
>gay is not a good player. He is a chucker, and he provides no
>he is set to make 16 mil this year, 17 mil next year, and 19
>mil after that
>Iggy is more all around, and has a better IQ . I agree with
>the iggy part.
Put him on the right team and make him understand he's not a no. 1 option, Gay would be fine...
He thinks waaay too much of himself...But I'll tell you what...If the Bulls can get their hands on dude that would be interesting...
That contract though is a KILLER...
2103720, RE: That's what happens when you give non max players max deals|
Posted by all stah, Sat Jan-05-13 04:20 PM
he is already on the right team.
2 great bigs, solid pg
that's how you know he is wack.
8-22, 18 point game Rudy..lol
2103728, RE: That's what happens when you give non max players max deals|
Posted by murph71, Sat Jan-05-13 04:35 PM
>he is already on the right team.
Nah...he's not...That much is clear...
>2 great bigs, solid pg
He needs to be on a team in which he can work outside in and instead of inside out...And that solid PG just became "solid" last season...Just saying...
>that's how you know he is wack.
>8-22, 18 point game Rudy..lol
When your best player (Z-Bo) just started commanding double teams a season and a half ago, and when Gay was getting doubled team A LOT when he became Memphis' go-to guy, then yeah...he's little more than a fake 1'st option...
But put him alongside a true franchise player that actually commands a double team (Rose) along with a defensive coaching genius (Thibs) that has the Bulls over 500 with Kirk H. starting? I'll sign up for that...
As I said in another post, it's not about Gay scoring only 18 or 19 points a game...It's how he scores them...
On the Bulls he can get the block more (there's no room on the post for him in Memphis with Zach and Big Gasol there) and post up SG's if he was with the Bulls...
The Bulls would not need him to drop 24 points a game...Just give them the ability to get off his shot without set plays, something the Bulls need from a perimeter desperately...
2106537, i don't get this gay boner you have, dude. (intended)|
Posted by Basaglia, Tue Jan-08-13 04:22 PM
he is not worth it
2107461, RE: i don't get this gay boner you have, dude. (intended)|
Posted by murph71, Wed Jan-09-13 04:28 PM
>he is not worth it
No Gay boner...just looking for a perimeter player that can get his own shot to pair with Rose and Deng...That's all...
And the fact that Memphis is not really asking for an expensive, long-term chip back is intriguing...The problem is the Bulls don't have much to give back (i. e. a huge expiring contract and cap friendly players)...
So it won't happen....
2106247, for whose contract....Boozer?|
Posted by DVS, Tue Jan-08-13 12:19 PM
You could trade for Deng for Gay but you'd have to send another player PLUS a #1 to get it done. But I see how that would make sense for both teams....
However...your cap situation is essentially fucked because Memphis ain't taking Boozer Back and anybody who DOES decide to take Boozer is going to want to rape our war chest to do so.
Posted by LeroyBumpkin, Tue Jan-08-13 12:35 PM
2103737, Warriors should offer H. Barnes & Biedrins for Gay|
Posted by TRENDone, Sat Jan-05-13 05:02 PM
Posted by DolphinTeef, Tue Jan-08-13 12:14 PM
2103794, pau back to grizz|
Posted by gusto, Sat Jan-05-13 06:46 PM
2106228, The Suns? Actually makes sense. (Woj swipe)|
Posted by Kajun, Tue Jan-08-13 12:08 PM
>The Memphis Grizzlies and Phoenix Suns are engaged in trade talks centered on forward Rudy Gay, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.
Rudy Gay is averaging 17.8 points and 5.8 rebounds this season. (USA Today Sports)The Grizzlies have been shopping Gay to multiple teams, and found an interested trade partner with the Suns, sources said.
There's no framework of a possible deal in place, but the Grizzlies have expressed a strong desire that any package involving Gay include Suns forward Jared Dudley and future first-round draft picks, sources said.
In an effort to avoid paying luxury tax in the short term, as well as get off the $17.8 million and $19.3 million owed Gay in the 2013-14 and 2014-15 seasons, new Memphis management has aggressively shopped Gay. The Grizzlies have made proposals on Gay to several teams, front-office sources told Yahoo! Sports.
Gay will make $16.4 million this year.
The Suns have been mindful of their financial state under Phoenix owner Robert Sarver, and there are still doubts within the organization they will ultimately be able to absorb the remainder of Gay's contract.
The Suns own the Los Angeles Lakers' first round picks in 2013 and 2015.
2106250, it makes sense for the grizzlies.|
Posted by Guinness, Tue Jan-08-13 12:20 PM
gay is a poisonous offensive player (low FG%, bad shot selection, never goes to the line), a good perimeter defender and a decent three-point threat. playing that dude $17M a year is obscene. hollinger is lobbying for a gay/dudley deal with every ounce of his soul.
2106261, Couldn't agree more.|
Posted by Kajun, Tue Jan-08-13 12:28 PM
I've hurt my finger tips typing on Hornets boards to idiots who want us to trade for this guy. I consider his contract to be one of the 5 worst in the league based on return of investment. I called this when he signed that deal that it killed Memphis' legit title hopes.
And yet it still makes sense in a perverse way for the Suns. They whiffed on Gordon last summer and Sarver is such a joke he just wants a name player to suit up. Its only 2 more years on his deal, and really Sarver would rather be a middling team with a quasi-star than a full on tank-rebuild one.
If Memphis got Dudley and picks for Gay Hollinger deserves a fucking medal.
2106274, fam...your team sucks|
Posted by FromTheGo, Tue Jan-08-13 12:36 PM
Like why are you so invested when it's obvious NO isn't going to be better than Memphis
You clowning PHX on this deal and they will be instantly better than your squad if this deal goes through.
Phx has Dudley and potentially 4 lottery picks to shop from a team that is currently better than you.
You should be trying to ship off Rivers and the oft injured Gordon for Gay
2106295, Why so upset, sport? |
Posted by Kajun, Tue Jan-08-13 12:45 PM
Still don't understand why my squad bugs you so much. You get raped by a bee or something? All that anger, emotion and frustration...can't help but worry about you champ. Things that depressing in the Chi?
Care to share, player? Talk to us.
Gordon is back and we are looking good. Young squad, growing, learning having fun. Impossible for you to rain on my parade, even with all that pent up mad you've got.
2106391, i beg to differ|
Posted by DVS, Tue Jan-08-13 01:51 PM
the team is really coming into focus with Gordon Back...Vasquez has been beasting and I could see them playoff bound with another piece or two max.
Posted by FromTheGo, Tue Jan-08-13 02:14 PM
Rudy Gay would be an horrible addition
he completely is tanking the Grizzlies
2106492, His play isn't. But his salary is.|
Posted by Kajun, Tue Jan-08-13 03:44 PM
Too bad you don't understand the first fucking thing about how the NBA works though.
2106501, his play sucks too.|
Posted by Guinness, Tue Jan-08-13 03:55 PM
at least on offense.
2106502, you aren't paying anyone but Gordon fam|
Posted by FromTheGo, Tue Jan-08-13 03:56 PM
you get MAD AS FUCK over that suck ass team lol...
yall dumb asses are paying Rashard Lewis to get a ring in Miami lol...
next season you don't have ANYONE on the payroll...you can afford Rudy easily.
He only has 3 years of "bad" contract, but you still are under the illusion that people will want to come to NO for some reason.
after next season, LA and a host of other teams will have money free and be competing for free agents
My Bulls are straight homie, so forgive me for talking shit, but you guys fucking suck and will suck unless you make some sort of bold move.
of course I don't understand how basketball works and New Orleans certainly does, running off their coach who is grooming Kyrie and running off their best player, who MAY be facing Rashard Lewis in the finals this year...
2106517, : (|
Posted by Kajun, Tue Jan-08-13 04:06 PM
Concerned about you, bro. These are the incoherent ramblings of a troubled soul.
2106526, good luck with that troubled team|
Posted by FromTheGo, Tue Jan-08-13 04:10 PM
2106521, This is half the teams in the league. |
Posted by LeroyBumpkin, Tue Jan-08-13 04:08 PM
I could see them playoff
>bound with another piece or two max.
Posted by FromTheGo, Tue Jan-08-13 04:11 PM
2106270, Hollinger been itching to do it since day 1|
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Tue Jan-08-13 12:33 PM
>gay is a poisonous offensive player (low FG%, bad shot
>selection, never goes to the line), a good perimeter defender
>and a decent three-point threat. playing that dude $17M a year
>is obscene. hollinger is lobbying for a gay/dudley deal with
>every ounce of his soul.
One thing i was surprised at when looking at Gay's stats a week or two ago is that he gets to the line 4 times a game. Its by no means great or even good for a player with his athleticism and ability to get to the rim, but I thought it would be 3 something. It should be around 5 at least though.
2106490, not enough|
Posted by hardware, Tue Jan-08-13 03:40 PM
we have to actually improve the team
2106493, dudley would be an offensive upgrade.|
Posted by Guinness, Tue Jan-08-13 03:44 PM
better shooter from everywhere (especially 3pt) and a much higher TS%. doesn't give you the same rebounding or defensive length on the perimeter.
2106494, Dudley is fine, but for him and two draft picks?|
Posted by hardware, Tue Jan-08-13 03:47 PM
its not a good enough deal, imo
we let Mayo walk
but this has really gotta be a real deal
2106496, RE: Dudley is fine, but for him and two draft picks?|
Posted by all stah, Tue Jan-08-13 03:50 PM
You're smoking crack.
If that is on the table, they better take that with the quickness. The object is to dump rudy's toxic contract, and if the suns are that foolish to take it, then the grizz better jump on that as soon as possible
It's not even up for debate. The focal point is to get rid of the contract. they are not looking to get equivalent talent. ...
Also, those 2 picks could be utilized to make future deals
2106507, the object is to dump salary AND get a return|
Posted by hardware, Tue Jan-08-13 04:00 PM
i'll eat a brick if the front office just does a salary dump
2106510, all that will happen with JUST a dump will be them |
Posted by FromTheGo, Tue Jan-08-13 04:02 PM
overpaying someone else....
2106514, idk about that|
Posted by hardware, Tue Jan-08-13 04:03 PM
they're not idiots
they'd be more likely to get a lesser piece than Dudley if they were gonna botch it
2106518, who do you think PAID Gay in the first place...lol|
Posted by FromTheGo, Tue Jan-08-13 04:06 PM
2106531, the door has rotated since then|
Posted by hardware, Tue Jan-08-13 04:15 PM
that contract happened because they couldn't see any better options at the time
we got a new owner, new regime, and a shiny new John Hollinger now
2106932, Come ooon man, you get a first rounder off PHX and thats top 10|
Posted by Szabo, Wed Jan-09-13 05:34 AM
Imagine you get a top 6-8 and pick snag next years Lillard equivalent to run the bench unit, while getting better in the process... maan.
2107495, i'm not mad at getting Dudley|
Posted by hardware, Wed Jan-09-13 04:57 PM
i just don't think its enough
its more likely that the front office is gonna bargain with the picks rather than use them
better deals will come along so they may as well hold out til teams get desperate
2106497, You don't seem to understand just how overpaid Gay is|
Posted by Kajun, Tue Jan-08-13 03:50 PM
You aren't trading just his on-court contribution, which is overrated anyway.
You are also trading his astoundingly bad contract, which completely obliterates cap space for further improvements. Keeping him restricts any chance for you guys to add meaningful pieces.
You should be PRAYING for Dudley and 2 picks, it would be a heist.
2106503, i'm not saying don't dump him|
Posted by hardware, Tue Jan-08-13 03:56 PM
cause the contract is horrifying
and no, i wouldnt be angry at that deal
but we can do better.
look how far we got when he was injured
but we gotta get a couple good pieces out of it
2106516, that would be glorious.|
Posted by Guinness, Tue Jan-08-13 04:05 PM
but the reality is the "return" is really whomever you use that $17M on in the future.
2106533, whoever we get isnt getting paid $17m tho|
Posted by hardware, Tue Jan-08-13 04:15 PM
2106638, RE: whoever we get isnt getting paid $17m tho|
Posted by all stah, Tue Jan-08-13 07:54 PM
it's not about getting anyone..grizz just want draft picks.
they are trying to get under the luxury tax. rudy will be dumped
2107454, if you say so|
Posted by hardware, Wed Jan-09-13 04:23 PM
they're going for a SF that can spread the floor and fit into the system, and either another player or picks.
2107758, RE: if you say so|
Posted by all stah, Wed Jan-09-13 10:00 PM
"the Warriors have been after Gay for some time, dating back to before the 2012 draft, when the Dubs were actively seeking a veteran wing. The Warriors have money to dump in the form of Andris Biedrins and other players. The Grizzlies are said to be pursuing a cash dump only, with draft picks as the only value in return."
they want picks or young players with no huge contracts.....this is a dump and bail, homie!
2106499, i'd dump gay for nothing in a heartbeat.|
Posted by Guinness, Tue Jan-08-13 03:53 PM
he's an outrageously destructive offensive presence. look at that offensive rating!
it's like paying someone millions to ruin your team! pondexter is vastly better. any team that considers taking on gay's contract has no idea what they're doing (unless they have a plan to dramatically change his role) or is desperate to pay for a couple comically-expensive wins.
2107470, ^^^ keen peepology!|
Posted by Frank Longo, Wed Jan-09-13 04:36 PM
2107499, Rudy just doesnt fit into the system|
Posted by hardware, Wed Jan-09-13 05:03 PM
he'd be fine on a team like the Bucks
but he plays no defense on a team based on defense all while taking away shots from our more productive players. he literally adds nothing to the program.
2106275, Want no parts |
Posted by JAESCOTT777, Tue Jan-08-13 12:36 PM
2106277, basically |
Posted by FromTheGo, Tue Jan-08-13 12:38 PM
2106636, Golden state moves in|
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Tue Jan-08-13 07:49 PM
2106637, RE: Golden state moves in|
Posted by all stah, Tue Jan-08-13 07:53 PM
that's not going to work, because the warriors are looking to dump as well. The griz just want to do a cash dump, and they only want draft picks in return(<-- hardware please understand that)
2106719, Grizzlies considering trading Z-Bo, too?|
Posted by BSharp, Tue Jan-08-13 09:42 PM
2106787, RE: Grizzlies considering trading Z-Bo, too?|
Posted by murph71, Tue Jan-08-13 10:35 PM
What's up with Memphis' owners? They losing that much money? Why even get into the game if you not going to be serious....
2106789, There was a tweet lat might talking bout how|
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Tue Jan-08-13 10:36 PM
Half the lower bowl was empty last night.
2106790, RE: There was a tweet lat might talking bout how|
Posted by murph71, Tue Jan-08-13 10:38 PM
>Half the lower bowl was empty last night.
2106809, uh, they played in Sacramento last night|
Posted by hardware, Tue Jan-08-13 10:59 PM
2106823, so a good attendance night in sac then|
Posted by rob, Tue Jan-08-13 11:12 PM
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Tue Jan-08-13 11:21 PM
i cant find the tweet cause twitter is going HAM with trade rumors but maybe it was a few nights ago.
If not maybe the tweet was saying that as bad as attendance is in Memphis, it was even worse last night in Sacramento where half the lower bowl was empty.
2106839, idk man, attendence seems pretty good on the nights i go|
Posted by hardware, Tue Jan-08-13 11:34 PM
aside from when they play Toronto or Charlotte
granted we aint doing Thunder numbers
its a far cry from 08-09
Posted by hardware, Tue Jan-08-13 11:33 PM
2106808, Marreese Speights has a higher PER per 48min per Hollinger |
Posted by FILF, Tue Jan-08-13 10:58 PM
2106822, speights has been good in memphis|
Posted by rob, Tue Jan-08-13 11:11 PM
but i think mostly they're just fucked on salary. i mean i tried to work out some kind of kings trade and both zbo and gay make three time as much each as anyone on the kings.
you trade cuz because you don't know what he'll do in a year and you don't want to have to pay him eventually.....
trading for a guy you already HAVE to pay who prob will not respond well to sac, that doesn't make sense.
2106820, Just contract the damn team already|
Posted by Cold Truth, Tue Jan-08-13 11:09 PM
They're 22-10 and sitting in 4th place with nothing but creme de la creme in front of them.... and they want to blow it up?
They must be hemorrhaging money if they're trying to get rid of Gay AND Z Bo.
2106961, if they trade ZBo, the fans in this city will riot|
Posted by MaxPtah, Wed Jan-09-13 09:15 AM
Rudy? Not so much. Zach is like how Shane was when he was here. He's heavily involved with the community here and is very well liked. I remember when they traded Shane, people were up in arms and he wasn't as much of a contributor, box score wise, like Zach. But I guess having Speights and a healthy DA makes Zach expendable *shrugs*. I wouldn't do it though.
2106819, I don't care where Rudy goes, as long as it ain't Portland|
Posted by BlassFemur, Tue Jan-08-13 11:08 PM
hopefully a 3 game win streak will keep them from getting desperate.
2106831, Jared Dudley put up a good line tonight maybe that nails it|
Posted by ShawndmeSlanted, Tue Jan-08-13 11:23 PM
I wonder how much Memphis' "Struggles" the last 2.5 weeks has to do with it.Is ownership just saying well we now know we wont win it all--lets cut salary?
2107456, its been 3 years|
Posted by hardware, Wed Jan-09-13 04:25 PM
a blind man can see Rudy has no bearing on games
and he's just eating up all the money and shot attempts
Posted by murph71, Tue Jan-08-13 11:45 PM
There should be a line of teams vying for his services...
Could you imagine Houston with Z-Bo? Or how about Indy? Hell, if only the Bulls could get in the game...