there is a lot of dismissiveness toward Luck in this thread, absolutely. it seems like he'd have to be doing this with a pop warner to impress anyone. they were terrible, they are still pretty short on guys and they have won with them. this is not a tebow kind of thing either, it's not like they have a great defense and he's throwing balls at the hash marks more often than his receivers' hands. like i said, in most years, he'd be a mortal lock. bob has been the dude though, plus he plays in a very prominent NFL market while Luck and Wilson don't.